With 140,000 people tested, the country’s mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO
Some good news for once???? *FAINTS*
Bear in mind the demographics of those with it: 35% under 30, 63% female, 7% over 70. Their percentage of patients deceased is 0.6% with 97% of cases still unresolved.
Just been to do my panic buy. Happy to report almost no shortages at all in Stretford, though Tesco clearly facing a few challenges in restocking the shelves neatly. The only gaps I saw were in own-brand dried pasta.
I’m doing a slow panic buy: two or three tins extra each time I shop.
The M&S I went to was out of loo paper and hand gel, everything else was fine.
At the pet food shop there was a special offer on bulk buying Felix, so I now have 48 days worth (for my cats, not me).
People are generally canceling foreign holidays not because they are afraid of catching and dying of Covid -19 but the fear of not being able to get back or being quarantined abroad . This is utterly a ridiculous situation where people are fearing government decisions more than the actual illness. it shows governments are over reacting and there definitely is a bad case of Groupthink infecting the world if not a plague.
That's not at all a ridiculous situation. Currently you have not many people infected, but a lot of potential growth. Any single infected person can easily create a chain of 2->4->8->... resulting in a large number of infections, some of them of vulnerable people. In that situation you currently shouldn't be very scared of catching it, but the government should be trying very hard to prevent even a very small probability of you spreading it.
His argument is exactly like this: You know those low bridges where they put a sacrificial bar the same height as the bridge a mile before you get to it so if you are overheight you break the bar and do a bit, but only a bit, of damage instead of a lot? That is lunacy! Lorry drivers are being turned back not by the bridge itself, but by the government overreacting to the bridge by putting the bar up.
Castro looks like a good VP pick on most grounds, only problem might be his surname for low information voters
I dont recall seeing this phrase 'low information voters' until recently but now its everywhere. Is it some new psephological euphemism that has caught on regarding people who dont pay much attention?
The alternative is the phrase famously used by Hillary Clinton. It didn’t go down very well with those to whom it was referring.
Castro looks like a good VP pick on most grounds, only problem might be his surname for low information voters
I dont recall seeing this phrase 'low information voters' until recently but now its everywhere. Is it some new psephological euphemism that has caught on regarding people who dont pay much attention?
The alternative is the phrase famously used by Hillary Clinton. It didn’t go down very well with those to whom it was referring.
It's a euphemism used instead of saying they're thick!
Just been to do my panic buy. Happy to report almost no shortages at all in Stretford, though Tesco clearly facing a few challenges in restocking the shelves neatly. The only gaps I saw were in own-brand dried pasta.
I’m doing a slow panic buy: two or three tins extra each time I shop.
The M&S I went to was out of loo paper and hand gel, everything else was fine.
At the pet food shop there was a special offer on bulk buying Felix, so I now have 48 days worth (for my cats, not me).
I've just been to do the week's shopping in Tesco Pembroke Dock. Just a normal day, no shortages. I would suggest perhaps this is a very regional issue.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
And, as we know from the Japanese example, a cruise ship is a really bad place to try to isolate the infected. Chances of large numbers of the passengers going on to become infected is fairly high.
The Wikipedia article on the Grand Princess is quite worrying.
Apart from sticking a few extra tins in the pantry (of stuff that I know I'm going to use regardless,) I've done nothing differently so far in response to the coronavirus panic - EXCEPT to abandon any planning for foreign holidays til this thing has passed. Because why would you bother under the circumstances? There's an excellent chance that something will go horribly wrong: the airline you're due to fly with going bust, the hotel you're due to stay in getting sealed off by the police because someone in it coughed (hopefully before you get there, although knowing my luck it would happen immediately after I arrived and I'd be imprisoned within it,) any attractions you wanted to visit being closed for the duration.
But the most idiotic thing you could do at the moment is surely to board a cruise ship? The second someone coughs on one of those things you find yourself effectively incarcerated in your tiny cabin aboard a disease-ridden prison hulk, going stir-crazy whilst you wait for the near-inevitable illness to strike. I hesitate to say that anybody who's stupid enough to board a cruise ship knowing how much of a risk they're taking deserves what's coming to them, but... well, it's not a very good idea, is it?
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
Just been to do my panic buy. Happy to report almost no shortages at all in Stretford, though Tesco clearly facing a few challenges in restocking the shelves neatly. The only gaps I saw were in own-brand dried pasta.
I’m doing a slow panic buy: two or three tins extra each time I shop.
The M&S I went to was out of loo paper and hand gel, everything else was fine.
At the pet food shop there was a special offer on bulk buying Felix, so I now have 48 days worth (for my cats, not me).
I've just been to do the week's shopping in Tesco Pembroke Dock. Just a normal day, no shortages. I would suggest perhaps this is a very regional issue.
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
And the voters. There's a tendency to give them a pass but I'm afraid that I don't. I have zero respect for anybody who votes Trump this time. I mean that. I wouldn't give them the time of day. If they were on fire I wouldn't piss on them.
With 140,000 people tested, the country’s mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO
Some good news for once???? *FAINTS*
I was saying about 10 days that they were really getting their act together and would get on top of this. Their use of technology to identify routes and possible infection points for every identified carrier was world leading, the resources and level of testing put pretty much every country (apart from the UK and Singapore) to shame.
They have demonstrated that you don't need to a psychopathic communist dictatorship to get on top of this. You just need a focus and relentless determination. Which is so far away from what we are currently seeing in the US as to make you weep. If you show that determination exponential maths pretty much disappears out of the reckoning and the peak will be a faint shadow of what some calamity artists are claiming.
If there were any remaining doubt, the government's decision deliberately to crash out of the European Aviation Safety Agency should finally dispel it; they are stark, raving bonkers. This is a decision with zero upside and lots of downside.
With 140,000 people tested, the country’s mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO
Some good news for once???? *FAINTS*
I was saying about 10 days that they were really getting their act together and would get on top of this. Their use of technology to identify routes and possible infection points for every identified carrier was world leading, the resources and level of testing put pretty much every country (apart from the UK and Singapore) to shame.
They have demonstrated that you don't need to a psychopathic communist dictatorship to get on top of this. You just need a focus and relentless determination. Which is so far away from what we are currently seeing in the US as to make you weep. If you show that determination exponential maths pretty much disappears out of the reckoning and the peak will be a faint shadow of what some calamity artists are claiming.
Fingers crossed that you’re right, but it is far from certain just yet.
Just been to do my panic buy. Happy to report almost no shortages at all in Stretford, though Tesco clearly facing a few challenges in restocking the shelves neatly. The only gaps I saw were in own-brand dried pasta.
I’m doing a slow panic buy: two or three tins extra each time I shop.
The M&S I went to was out of loo paper and hand gel, everything else was fine.
At the pet food shop there was a special offer on bulk buying Felix, so I now have 48 days worth (for my cats, not me).
I've just been to do the week's shopping in Tesco Pembroke Dock. Just a normal day, no shortages. I would suggest perhaps this is a very regional issue.
Its been on.the news a fair bit. Its shocking.. ethnic cleansing..
It is foreigners and wrong type so of no interest to the southern British isolationists
It's the usual media bias, ignoring the fact that a lot of British people are of Indian origin and will be interested. It's like when there's a hurricane: they wet themselves over what's happening in Florida while small Caribbean nations get unreported.
With 140,000 people tested, the country’s mortality rate is just over 0.6 per cent compared to the 3.4 per cent global average reported by the WHO
Some good news for once???? *FAINTS*
I was saying about 10 days that they were really getting their act together and would get on top of this. Their use of technology to identify routes and possible infection points for every identified carrier was world leading, the resources and level of testing put pretty much every country (apart from the UK and Singapore) to shame.
They have demonstrated that you don't need to a psychopathic communist dictatorship to get on top of this. You just need a focus and relentless determination. Which is so far away from what we are currently seeing in the US as to make you weep. If you show that determination exponential maths pretty much disappears out of the reckoning and the peak will be a faint shadow of what some calamity artists are claiming.
Fingers crossed that you’re right, but it is far from certain just yet.
What is certain is that the longer we go on without material changes in behaviour the worse it is going to get. Iran seems in danger of collapsing and the US just isn't trying.
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
And the voters. There's a tendency to give them a pass but I'm afraid that I don't. I have zero respect for anybody who votes Trump this time. I mean that. I wouldn't give them the time of day. If they were on fire I wouldn't piss on them.
I would not go so far, but I do think there is a tendency to infantilise the average voter. While hindsight is a wonderful thing, I don't think people should get a pass on everything. For instance, I voted Leave and knew there would be risks from that. I could and do argue how much shit I should get if things go badly with Brexit, but I cannot simply blame it all on the politicians since putting it in their hands was one of the risks.
If there were any remaining doubt, the government's decision deliberately to crash out of the European Aviation Safety Agency should finally dispel it; they are stark, raving bonkers. This is a decision with zero upside and lots of downside.
Yes it’s utterly demented but will get little press coverage . Apparently when Leavers voted they were desperate to leave EASA !
Seriously would Leavers have a problem staying in this . This rancid government is hijacking the vote to use it as an excuse to do some utterly crazy things .
Serious question. If this is true, why is anti EU sentiment so much lower in France and Germany?
If you look at the tables France now isn't that much more pro-EU than we are. Same with the nordics (though for opposite reasons).
Immigration is only one motivating factor; for us sovereignty and 'more europe' were also issues, but those are the issues French voters are actually supportive of. E.g. look at how supportive they are of the Euro and expanding the role of the EU. (like us) The opposite is largely true of the nordics.
Next level of planning appears to have been activated, hope that they get some good people to join the response team.
Watching from afar, the UK govt appears to be doing a very good job of this as the numbers inevitably start to increase - in sharp contrast to many other nations. UK in the same group as Singapore and Korea for the response.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
They say we get the politicians we deserve and Americans chose Trump.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
Serious question. If this is true, why is anti EU sentiment so much lower in France and Germany?
If you look at the tables France now isn't that much more pro-EU than we are. Same with the nordics (though for opposite reasons).
Immigration is only one motivating factor; for us sovereignty and 'more europe' were also issues, but those are the issues French voters are actually supportive of. E.g. look at how supportive they are of the Euro and expanding the role of the EU. (like us) The opposite is largely true of the nordics.
A major part of this is that, for France, Europe is about increasing their power in the world. They ran Europe until German re-unification - many institutions are still very French heavy. Plus you have the French attitude to the rules - if they are not useful to France, they will be ignored.
For the Germans - well, they run Europe now. Carefully, so as not to spook the French too much.
In both cases they feel that if they want to change immigration, they can - I've had that expressed to me by many French and German nationals.
Next level of planning appears to have been activated, hope that they get some good people to join the response team.
Watching from afar, the UK govt appears to be doing a very good job of this as the numbers inevitably start to increase - in sharp contrast to many other nations. UK in the same group as Singapore and Korea for the response.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
They say we get the politicians we deserve and Americans chose Trump.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
The two have nothing alike. It's like comparing Blair (Johnson) with Corbyn (Trump)
Serious question. If this is true, why is anti EU sentiment so much lower in France and Germany?
It will be a combination of factors. One of them may be “conservation of comments”. Respondents were asked for two and not surprisingly UK ones were dominated by “Future relationship with EU” - which barely registers in other countries.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
They say we get the politicians we deserve and Americans chose Trump.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
Jimmy Carter is probably the most recent human being to hold the office of President in the last 50 years and was also one of the worst presidents.
Trump is a product of fears of globalisation and immigration as much as Brexit was, a symptom not a cause
If there were any remaining doubt, the government's decision deliberately to crash out of the European Aviation Safety Agency should finally dispel it; they are stark, raving bonkers. This is a decision with zero upside and lots of downside.
There’s a lot of background to this one. EASA are in the middle of doing some very stupid things with regard to both commercial pilots’ working time limitations, and general aviation standards and certifications.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
Next level of planning appears to have been activated, hope that they get some good people to join the response team.
Watching from afar, the UK govt appears to be doing a very good job of this as the numbers inevitably start to increase - in sharp contrast to many other nations. UK in the same group as Singapore and Korea for the response.
Warms the cockles, doesn't it?
Watching what’s happening very close to me in Iran, Hell Yeah!
The disconnect between the assumptions that the US Healthcare system seem to be working and the public statements at the national level are bizarre. Something's got to give at some point...
US Government going to try and hide the COVID-19 statistics within the flu ones?
To be fair I'm not sure how much we should read into this. There is heightened awareness so people are more likely to seek treatment if they have flu symptoms this season.
Same sort of increase as yesterday...I presume we will see a much bigger jump tomorrow. Running at now 4% of tests come back positive i.e ~1000 test yesterday, ~40 new cases.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
They say we get the politicians we deserve and Americans chose Trump.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
Jimmy Carter is probably the most recent human being to hold the office of President in the last 50 years and was also one of the worst presidents.
Trump is a product of fears of globalisation and immigration as much as Brexit was, a symptom not a cause
Sorry would not have bought that excuse for electing Trump four years ago and I certainly don't buy it now. Anyone who votes for Trump in November knows exactly the type of person they are giving power to.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
There remain several on this site sadly.
Are there?
Certainly but few have the guts to come out and say it outright.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
He is a not very bright man incapable of empathy. The disgrace and disgust should be equally directed at the many, much more capable people who have allowed him to become President and are still cheering him on.
There remain several on this site sadly.
Are there?
Certainly but few have the guts to come out and say it outright.
It remains a pretty shocking indictment of the Dems that they have put up unelectable candidates twice on a Buggins’ Turn principle thereby handing power to this utter lunatic.
It is of course true that the two most honourable and decent men to be President in the twentieth century were Carter and Hoover. They were also unarguably two of the three most disastrous presidents of the twentieth century.
However, since Nixon was their near-exact counterpart on the other side and he would hardly be considered an unqualified success, I don’t think we can draw conclusions from this.
Of all the appaling things I have heard come from Trump's mouth, this is one of the most disgraceful things I have ever heard from potitician in my lifetime.
In other words he doesn't care if people on the ship get ill or die, he doesn't want them being counted as US statistics.
I heard him say that. He disgusts me
They say we get the politicians we deserve and Americans chose Trump.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
Jimmy Carter is probably the most recent human being to hold the office of President in the last 50 years and was also one of the worst presidents.
Trump is a product of fears of globalisation and immigration as much as Brexit was, a symptom not a cause
Sorry would not have bought that excuse for electing Trump four years ago and I certainly don't buy it now. Anyone who votes for Trump in November knows exactly the type of person they are giving power to.
And many want to give him power to control immigration and push more protectionist policies, especially in the South and Midwest, you may not like that but that is democracy
Comments
https://twitter.com/YangeHan/status/1235866453028438019
The M&S I went to was out of loo paper and hand gel, everything else was fine.
At the pet food shop there was a special offer on bulk buying Felix, so I now have 48 days worth (for my cats, not me).
https://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/fatal-dubai-bus-crash-barrier-incorrectly-sited-lawyers-claim-1.884226
Shouldn't have had a midseason break.
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095180459003909
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095182489014273
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095183332114432
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095187522215936
https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/status/1236095202630103040
There is a load more on lack of N95 masks etc.
But the most idiotic thing you could do at the moment is surely to board a cruise ship? The second someone coughs on one of those things you find yourself effectively incarcerated in your tiny cabin aboard a disease-ridden prison hulk, going stir-crazy whilst you wait for the near-inevitable illness to strike. I hesitate to say that anybody who's stupid enough to board a cruise ship knowing how much of a risk they're taking deserves what's coming to them, but... well, it's not a very good idea, is it?
https://twitter.com/nzingaretti/status/1236266675030253569?s=21
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1236246426251915270
They have demonstrated that you don't need to a psychopathic communist dictatorship to get on top of this. You just need a focus and relentless determination. Which is so far away from what we are currently seeing in the US as to make you weep. If you show that determination exponential maths pretty much disappears out of the reckoning and the peak will be a faint shadow of what some calamity artists are claiming.
https://twitter.com/andrejnkv/status/1235920594186706944?s=21
Which two of these problems are most important facing [COUNTRY] just now?
Immigration
Britain: 12
France: 26
Germany: 24
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/v17h1b66px/Handelsblatt_ToplineResults_Feb2020_public.pdf
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1236248770439974917?s=20
Technically it is only 2% who say they are European only, 5% say they are European and British
Seriously would Leavers have a problem staying in this . This rancid government is hijacking the vote to use it as an excuse to do some utterly crazy things .
Immigration is only one motivating factor; for us sovereignty and 'more europe' were also issues, but those are the issues French voters are actually supportive of. E.g. look at how supportive they are of the Euro and expanding the role of the EU. (like us) The opposite is largely true of the nordics.
Watching from afar, the UK govt appears to be doing a very good job of this as the numbers inevitably start to increase - in sharp contrast to many other nations. UK in the same group as Singapore and Korea for the response.
Likewise he disgusts me., it goes beyond the usual political divides. I'm no fan of Johnson but he is a far more decent human being than Trump will ever be.
For the Germans - well, they run Europe now. Carefully, so as not to spook the French too much.
In both cases they feel that if they want to change immigration, they can - I've had that expressed to me by many French and German nationals.
Trump is a product of fears of globalisation and immigration as much as Brexit was, a symptom not a cause
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/630306-uk-leave-easa.html
(There’s a few political Brexit comments there on both sides, but also a lot of more nuanced discussion of the pros and cons of the decision).
Cut Covid-19 death toll from 2 to 1 vs previous deleted tweet.
https://www.businessinsider.com/presentation-us-hospitals-preparing-for-millions-of-hospitalizations-2020-3?r=US&IR=T
I wonder how many ICU beds we have?
Oh, sorry, you were talking about Covid 19?
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1236299949769441281?s=20
Certainly but few have the guts to come out and say it outright.
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1236299949769441281?s=20
However, since Nixon was their near-exact counterpart on the other side and he would hardly be considered an unqualified success, I don’t think we can draw conclusions from this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/51780963