This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Looking at the two Wikipedia pages: GE2019: polls conducted 25-29 Nov (17 to 13 days out) (polls with data collected 21-25 and 22-25 didn't make the cut): arithmetic mean Tory lead in these 7 polls: 9.4%; spread: 6%-15%; GE2017: polls conducted 22-26 May (17 to 13 days out) (polls with data collected 19-23, 18-22, and 26-27 didn't make the cut): mean Tory lead in these 7 polls: 8.9%; spread: 5%-14%. Is the difference in means of 0.5% significant? No. This far out in 2017 the Tory lead was about 9%, same as now. For reference: 2017 Manchester Arena bombing: 17 days out. 2019 London Bridge terror attack: 13 days out.
Because they can never be seen to be wrong..they are brazen beyond belief and I think.it is institutionalized within the party..the Millwall of the political.system
Dear oh dear oh dear. Not something I say often, but Farage was bang on the money with that one. And Burgon was absolutely woeful. Like a more pompous version of Boris Johnson.
The stand out politician, regardless of her policies, is Sturgeon she is demonstrating her experience and grasp of issues. I’m afraid the Green lady is just to gentle and nice
Because they can never be seen to be wrong..they are brazen beyond belief and I think.it is institutionalized within the party..the Millwall of the political.system
Burgon is the Tories best gift. This will get decent viewing figures too.
I can usually find reasons to dislike politicians from other teams but not Burgon.
It is like he had been sent down from outer space to troll everybody with an affected stupidity implausible in any human above the age of 5.
He is outstanding value.
What I don’t get is why Labour keep wheeling him out. If they want northern working class, Angela Rayner is altogether more impressive. Not that that’s necessarily saying she’s very impressive. If I were Labour, I would have done unto Burgon as the Tories have down unto Rees-Mogg, and for the same reasons.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Squeaky ELBOW time?
That will come if the ELBOW lead is 6.29% next Sunday (D-4). That's what it was on Sunday 4th June 2017.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
That's a stupid comment. I am not dictating which polls Wiki logs; I'd prefer them to log them all. Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
That's a stupid comment. I am not dictating which polls Wiki logs; I'd prefer them to log them all. Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
No, but you could ensure that the list of polls you are using is complete.
The take out from both debates that Adam Price has taken part in is that the Labour front bench does not care about Wales and has no clue with what is going on there. I think the next Welsh poll could be very interesting.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
And Lockerbie in 1988, another Libyan bomb in the U.K.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Burgon. Wow. Just wow. Did he really smirk at Price when he asked why Labour in government in Wales hadn't done what the SNP had done in Scotland? I think he just crashed his car into a Trident Missile. What an utter utter utter wazzock. Rishi Sunak is a parody of a politician. Made to look like Churchill by Burgon.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
You think another few years of a hung parliament and a second referendum would help?
The take out from both debates that Adam Price has taken part in is that the Labour front bench does not care about Wales and has no clue with what is going on there. I think the next Welsh poll could be very interesting.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Stops people like you dreaming that we will not leave. it is why it riles you so much.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
That's a stupid comment. I am not dictating which polls Wiki logs; I'd prefer them to log them all. Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
No, but you could ensure that the list of polls you are using is complete.
If I had time, maybe, but I hope you accept that it's not 'convenient' for me to exclude that one; I'll add it (along with others) as they are added to Wiki. My original point was the Tory lead is not (currently) 3 points better than it was at the same stage in GE17. Still stands.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Depressingly, you have to assume that people are children and it is polling well. Presumably the average person believes this of Boris thanks to the referendum and that hasn’t beEn dislodged (unlike May who managed to make “strong and stable” a joke). This is the future of all campaigns until we die isn’t it? One slogan each.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
And Lockerbie in 1988, another Libyan bomb in the U.K.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
That's a stupid comment. I am not dictating which polls Wiki logs; I'd prefer them to log them all. Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
No, but you could ensure that the list of polls you are using is complete.
If I had time, maybe, but I hope you accept that it's not 'convenient' for me to exclude that one; I'll add it (along with others) as they are added to Wiki. My original point was the Tory lead is not (currently) 3 points better than it was at the same stage in GE17. Still stands.
I don't think it does since it depends on what polls you are using, and how you are averaging them.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Top tip. Like most of the country, watch few if any of these pointless debates. Most people don't register the constant use of the sound bites because they rarely hear it. It'll be good for your blood pressure as well.
Richie Sunak is simply awful as was Boris Johnson this morning.Sturgeon is excellent and Burgon started well but has had one or two strange answers.
The highlight of the debate is Farage's attempt to trash the Tory brand, why is he doing this?
Sunak was excellent, clear and articulate, Burgon was poor, Sturgeon was an Independence parrot as usual
Sunak was horrendous. Lying through his teeth on so many questions. Yet made to look almost Churchillian by the Wazzock Burgon
Sunak so on script but knew his lines. Was like a kids TV presenter with his final pitch! Burgon with a weird grin at the end. They’re all a strange lot politicians.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
Convenient to exclude the DeltaPoll poll that isn't listed on the wiki.
That's a stupid comment. I am not dictating which polls Wiki logs; I'd prefer them to log them all. Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
Well when you think it’s safe to tell us let us know
Leicester East Labour 1.26 £500.00
41st safest by Elecotral calculus, 31% gap midpoint according to MRP, 22000 majority, remain, high ethnic minority population.
Hmm. The constiuency is heavily BME for sure, but only a small West Indian Community. Most of the BME community is South Asian, roughly 50/50 Hindu and Muslim. Mostly Gujerati for both, and often via East Africa, so quite complex. There is a big Somali community too. Keith Vaz had a large personal vote, and Claudia Webbe being parachuted in has annoyed a good number of Hindus in particular, as they feel a Hindu candidate was displaced unfairly. It is a community that can be anti Afro-Caribbean too. Nonetheless it should be a Labour hold, but I think a substantially reduced majority. This was the Tories canvassing their candidate on the Golden Mile yesterday: https://twitter.com/Guyton_Day/status/1200840797152776194?s=09
Well when you think it’s safe to tell us let us know
Leicester East Labour 1.26 £500.00
41st safest by Elecotral calculus, 31% gap midpoint according to MRP, 22000 majority, remain, high ethnic minority population.
Hmm. The constiuency is heavily BME for sure, but only a small West Indian Community. Most of the BME community is South Asian, roughly 50/50 Hindu and Muslim. Mostly Gujerati for both, and often via East Africa, so quite complex. There is a big Somali community too. Keith Vaz had a large personal vote, and Claudia Webbe being parachuted in has annoyed a good number of Hindus in particular, as they feel a Hindu candidate was displaced unfairly. It is a community that can be anti Afro-Caribbean too. Nonetheless it should be a Labour hold, but I think a substantially reduced majority. This was the Tories canvassing their candidate on the Golden Mile yesterday: https://twitter.com/Guyton_Day/status/1200840797152776194?s=09
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Top tip. Like most of the country, watch few if any of these pointless debates. Most people don't register the constant use of the sound bites because they rarely hear it. It'll be good for your blood pressure as well.
For the first time this election, I didn't watch a debate (tonight's ITV).
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Stops people like you dreaming that we will not leave. it is why it riles you so much.
The tories will get a 60+ majority the Labour Party will be around 180 lib dems around 30 so maybe an even bigger Tory majority it’s just time for Johnson to actually stop the platitudes about our marvelous future arrangement with the EU because it will never be better than what we currently have. Interestingly very few thoughtful tories have leapt to Johnson’s defense during this campaign because winning is more important to them than anything else. We will leave and have to live with it but to pretend WTO is not a realistic possibility by hiding behind ‘Johnson has a deal so no deal is impossible’ is one of the biggest lies of the campaign. Both Johnson and Corbyn have been abysmal during the campaign and both are going to be rewarded with three figure parliamentary parties.
Well when you think it’s safe to tell us let us know
Leicester East Labour 1.26 £500.00
41st safest by Elecotral calculus, 31% gap midpoint according to MRP, 22000 majority, remain, high ethnic minority population.
Hmm. The constiuency is heavily BME for sure, but only a small West Indian Community. Most of the BME community is South Asian, roughly 50/50 Hindu and Muslim. Mostly Gujerati for both, and often via East Africa, so quite complex. There is a big Somali community too. Keith Vaz had a large personal vote, and Claudia Webbe being parachuted in has annoyed a good number of Hindus in particular, as they feel a Hindu candidate was displaced unfairly. It is a community that can be anti Afro-Caribbean too. Nonetheless it should be a Labour hold, but I think a substantially reduced majority. This was the Tories canvassing their candidate on the Golden Mile yesterday: https://twitter.com/Guyton_Day/status/1200840797152776194?s=09
I like the blue turbans!
Confusingly, the LD candidate also has the surname Dave.
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Try getting a GP to do house calls Try getting an appointment with a doctor within three weeks
Actually you might have a bit of a point, but thats a bit like lamenting the loss of milkmen or street gas lighters. There's a better way of delivery. You are right that the GP relationship that once existed has gone.
PS, ive been with the same surgery for forty years and never had an issue getting a same day appointment.
I've been with the same surgery for approx a decade and I can't get a same-day appointment. The three-week figure I quoted was not theoretical, it's a real one. I ended up in A&E and it really wasn't funny. And that's not the worst: some people have real horror stories Incidentally, "better way of delivery"??? You need a doctor to be physically present. Some stuff you can't diagnose remotely.
Well when you think it’s safe to tell us let us know
Leicester East Labour 1.26 £500.00
41st safest by Elecotral calculus, 31% gap midpoint according to MRP, 22000 majority, remain, high ethnic minority population.
Hmm. The constiuency is heavily BME for sure, but only a small West Indian Community. Most of the BME community is South Asian, roughly 50/50 Hindu and Muslim. Mostly Gujerati for both, and often via East Africa, so quite complex. There is a big Somali community too. Keith Vaz had a large personal vote, and Claudia Webbe being parachuted in has annoyed a good number of Hindus in particular, as they feel a Hindu candidate was displaced unfairly. It is a community that can be anti Afro-Caribbean too. Nonetheless it should be a Labour hold, but I think a substantially reduced majority. This was the Tories canvassing their candidate on the Golden Mile yesterday: https://twitter.com/Guyton_Day/status/1200840797152776194?s=09
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
We’ve had that in Camden for a while. Weekly collection of food waste and recycling. Twice weekly for all other stuff and you pay extra for garden waste. I don’t, preferring to take mine to recycling myself, though sometimes the bin men collect it anyway. I have very little which is not recyclable so every two weeks is more than adequate.
God the desire to shout fuck off every time a Tory tries to crowbar get brexit done into any answer regardless of its relevance is unbelievable get brexit done solves nothing.
Stops people like you dreaming that we will not leave. it is why it riles you so much.
The tories will get a 60+ majority the Labour Party will be around 180 lib dems around 30 so maybe an even bigger Tory majority it’s just time for Johnson to actually stop the platitudes about our marvelous future arrangement with the EU because it will never be better than what we currently have. Interestingly very few thoughtful tories have leapt to Johnson’s defense during this campaign because winning is more important to them than anything else. We will leave and have to live with it but to pretend WTO is not a realistic possibility by hiding behind ‘Johnson has a deal so no deal is impossible’ is one of the biggest lies of the campaign. Both Johnson and Corbyn have been abysmal during the campaign and both are going to be rewarded with three figure parliamentary parties.
And Swinson's presidential campaign & campaign tactics?
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
Three weeks? Bloody hell. I’m less than brilliantly happy with two.
We get 2 collections a week plus one recycling collection
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
Yay, Spanish Stroll is one of my fave singles.
I recommend the acoustic album (mainly recorded live in Berlin) from the early noughties. Unfortunately very difficult to get hold of, but readily accessed on youtube.
I’ve never heard of him but if you mean Unplugged in Berlin, it’s freely available on Spotify.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
Three weeks? Bloody hell. I’m less than brilliantly happy with two.
We get 2 collections a week plus one recycling collection
Burgon. Wow. Just wow. Did he really smirk at Price when he asked why Labour in government in Wales hadn't done what the SNP had done in Scotland? I think he just crashed his car into a Trident Missile. What an utter utter utter wazzock. Rishi Sunak is a parody of a politician. Made to look like Churchill by Burgon.
I read something about Milne today and he really is the worst of a bad lot.
The Bosnian civil war was a very significant event in the development of Islamist terror. It radicalised a whole generation - and if you look closely at the backgrounds and history of many subsequent Islamist leaders and influencers - you will find time spent in Bosnia during the war. This does not get aired much for three main reasons:- 1. It does not fit with the narrative that it’s all the fault of Bush, Blair and the Iraq War. 2. It does not fit with the narrative of the wicked US oppressing Muslims. It was of course the US which finally came to the rescue of Bosnian and Kosovan Muslims, not the Europeans - who had a pretty shameful record. And it was Jewish Nobel prize winner, Elie Wiesel, who publicly demanded action of Clinton to stop another European genocide. 3. Some of those politicians so quick to pin blame on Iraq were on the side of the Serbs who were murdering Bosnian Muslims in their thousands. Corbyn for one. One of the biggest lies about him is that he is on the side of Muslims. He isn’t - and hasn’t been - when their oppressors and killers have been anti-West, as Milosovic and Karadzic and Mladic and Assad are/were. And of course the ideology underpinning Islamist terrorism developed in the 1920’s, was given legs by some of the Nazi ideology which was spread by the Nazis in the Middle East during WW2 and then developed further from the 1950’s onwards. None of this is known to (or, if it is, is ignored by) the simple minded peddling their ignorant nonsense about the Middle East, as Corbyn and many of those around him do. Far more comforting to come up with a simple story which blames everything on the West and ignore a much more complex history and, you know, actual facts.
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This was the clip.
It is like he has been sent down from outer space to troll everybody with an affected stupidity implausible in any human above the age of 5.
He is outstanding value.
GE2019: polls conducted 25-29 Nov (17 to 13 days out) (polls with data collected 21-25 and 22-25 didn't make the cut): arithmetic mean Tory lead in these 7 polls: 9.4%; spread: 6%-15%;
GE2017: polls conducted 22-26 May (17 to 13 days out) (polls with data collected 19-23, 18-22, and 26-27 didn't make the cut): mean Tory lead in these 7 polls: 8.9%; spread: 5%-14%.
Is the difference in means of 0.5% significant? No. This far out in 2017 the Tory lead was about 9%, same as now.
For reference:
2017 Manchester Arena bombing: 17 days out.
2019 London Bridge terror attack: 13 days out.
Not something I say often, but Farage was bang on the money with that one.
And Burgon was absolutely woeful. Like a more pompous version of Boris Johnson.
If I were Labour, I would have done unto Burgon as the Tories have down unto Rees-Mogg, and for the same reasons.
41st safest by Elecotral calculus, 31% gap midpoint according to MRP, 22000 majority, remain, high ethnic minority population.
The highlight of the debate is Farage's attempt to trash the Tory brand, why is he doing this?
Which Deltapoll are you referring to?
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1200880369693843456
Still a fine bet, I think, but probably worth mentioning everyone's favourite washing machine salesman
Did he really smirk at Price when he asked why Labour in government in Wales hadn't done what the SNP had done in Scotland?
I think he just crashed his car into a Trident Missile. What an utter utter utter wazzock. Rishi Sunak is a parody of a politician. Made to look like Churchill by Burgon.
My original point was the Tory lead is not (currently) 3 points better than it was at the same stage in GE17. Still stands.
This is the future of all campaigns until we die isn’t it? One slogan each.
Farage is a class act as a speaker even if he has no friends in the studio.
Keith Vaz had a large personal vote, and Claudia Webbe being parachuted in has annoyed a good number of Hindus in particular, as they feel a Hindu candidate was displaced unfairly. It is a community that can be anti Afro-Caribbean too.
Nonetheless it should be a Labour hold, but I think a substantially reduced majority. This was the Tories canvassing their candidate on the Golden Mile yesterday:
https://twitter.com/Guyton_Day/status/1200840797152776194?s=09
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The rest were just run of the mill bucolic stupidity.
Both Johnson and Corbyn have been abysmal during the campaign and both are going to be rewarded with three figure parliamentary parties.
Sunak was much much better today. Even if he is a bit roboty, the substance was on point.
1. How may undecideds are there?
2. How many are likely vote?
3. How will their vote be distributed.
If anybody has got an answer for 1, 2 and 3 I have a Betfair/Spreadex account i'm willing to share the profits on.
Incidentally, "better way of delivery"??? You need a doctor to be physically present. Some stuff you can't diagnose remotely.
This does not get aired much for three main reasons:-
1. It does not fit with the narrative that it’s all the fault of Bush, Blair and the Iraq War.
2. It does not fit with the narrative of the wicked US oppressing Muslims. It was of course the US which finally came to the rescue of Bosnian and Kosovan Muslims, not the Europeans - who had a pretty shameful record. And it was Jewish Nobel prize winner, Elie Wiesel, who publicly demanded action of Clinton to stop another European genocide.
3. Some of those politicians so quick to pin blame on Iraq were on the side of the Serbs who were murdering Bosnian Muslims in their thousands. Corbyn for one. One of the biggest lies about him is that he is on the side of Muslims. He isn’t - and hasn’t been - when their oppressors and killers have been anti-West, as Milosovic and Karadzic and Mladic and Assad are/were.
And of course the ideology underpinning Islamist terrorism developed in the 1920’s, was given legs by some of the Nazi ideology which was spread by the Nazis in the Middle East during WW2 and then developed further from the 1950’s onwards.
None of this is known to (or, if it is, is ignored by) the simple minded peddling their ignorant nonsense about the Middle East, as Corbyn and many of those around him do.
Far more comforting to come up with a simple story which blames everything on the West and ignore a much more complex history and, you know, actual facts.