Been travelling for 24 hours.... back in London, I am surprised to see the Tory pessimism on here. And I am prone to pressimism.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Tory lead has stabilised and probably widened again. 10-11%? And Boris' popularity has bounced back but as Corbyn's has fallen away once more.
This is surely a result of the Neil interview and the aftermath.
We are just 11 campaigning days from the GE. The Tories are 10-11 points ahead of a party led by a widely reviled leader. This is not cause for complacency, but it is surely cause for very timid OPTimism,
Yes, I've said it for the last few days. Labour's onslaught of bribes resulted in a 2 point swing in their favour, around half of that seems to have unwound. They have nothing left in their cupboard that will move votes and people are drifting back towards the Tories. Corbyn is on the wrong side of the argument wrt terrorists and Boris is a lot better at delivering a human answer than May was in 2017 in the same circumstances. He's got the right answer already "terrorists will never be allowed out early and we will lock them up forever and a day if necessary" is not something May would have said. She would have dithered and come up with some technical reason as to why it wouldn't be possible to do that, by then Jez would have something to say that didn't sound completely baffling.
The essence of this campaign is completely different to 2017.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
Good news for rats.
Well, it is a Tory council
Funnily it was the Independents who were accused of being rats in the last parliament...
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
Our local Lib Dems went heavily for the "Brown Bin Tax" in the most recent district council elections.
The Tories were subsequently thrown out and replaced by a red-yellow coalition.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
Lefty council?
It is run by the Tories & independents, I think.
Ooops. Right-wing Tory-boy council, sorry
No it is not a right wing tory boy council. It is a coalition
Been travelling for 24 hours.... back in London, I am surprised to see the Tory pessimism on here. And I am prone to pressimism.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Tory lead has stabilised and probably widened again. 10-11%? And Boris' popularity has bounced back but as Corbyn's has fallen away once more.
But we saw a tweet from a Corbynite canvasser saying that things feel really good on the ground in Hackney!
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
No real surprises in the ITV debate so far though Burgon coming off worst
Agreed. And your robot boy already bested Farage and sturgeon in exchanges. Swinson coming out best, but why is she always on edge of stage 😕 Why Tory robot always in middle, always gets first chance to answer. Every time etchy goes to him to answer first, that is disgraceful you agree HY? He gets more come back opportunities and speaking time than anyone else.
Been travelling for 24 hours.... back in London, I am surprised to see the Tory pessimism on here. And I am prone to pressimism.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Tory lead has stabilised and probably widened again. 10-11%? And Boris' popularity has bounced back but as Corbyn's has fallen away once more.
But we saw a tweet from a Corbynite canvasser saying that things feel really good on the ground in Hackney!
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
Lefty council?
It is run by the Tories & independents, I think.
Ooops. Right-wing Tory-boy council, sorry
No it is not a right wing tory boy council. It is a coalition
of right wing tory boys and right wing independent boys.
Been travelling for 24 hours.... back in London, I am surprised to see the Tory pessimism on here. And I am prone to pressimism.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Tory lead has stabilised and probably widened again. 10-11%? And Boris' popularity has bounced back but as Corbyn's has fallen away once more.
But we saw a tweet from a Corbynite canvasser saying that things feel really good on the ground in Hackney!
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
I hope they pick up food waste more regularly than that.
Yes - weekly
I get my bins entered every night in summer and six nights a week in winter, but then I don’t live in the UK. My council tax is €500 pa with a degree of thought anything is possible or are you to lazy to walk at most 50 to 100 ?meters to the bin
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
No street lights in our village. We manage fine. Lovely starry skies as side benefit. Buy a torch and get over it.
Swinson has no authority about her, just a grown up version of a teachers pet. Sunak is on message but knows the script inside out. I like the Plaid guy’s voice, green woman away with the fairies on immigration but like Sturgeon knows her crowd. If Burgon was part of a Labour strategy to win round Lab leavers I’m not sure he’s working. A northern accent just isn’t enough.
Been travelling for 24 hours.... back in London, I am surprised to see the Tory pessimism on here. And I am prone to pressimism.
Looks pretty clear to me that the Tory lead has stabilised and probably widened again. 10-11%? And Boris' popularity has bounced back but as Corbyn's has fallen away once more.
But we saw a tweet from a Corbynite canvasser saying that things feel really good on the ground in Hackney!
As Hackney goes, so goes the nation.
Oh fucking hell, our high streets aren't all about to be taken over by avant garde art collectives and cereal cafes, are they?
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
Lefty council?
It is run by the Tories & independents, I think.
Ooops. Right-wing Tory-boy council, sorry
No it is not a right wing tory boy council. It is a coalition
of right wing tory boys and right wing independent boys.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
Lefty council?
It is run by the Tories & independents, I think.
Ooops. Right-wing Tory-boy council, sorry
No it is not a right wing tory boy council. It is a coalition
of right wing tory boys and right wing independent boys.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Yes, but this election is for an MP to sit in Parliament. Bin collections and street lighting are issues for local elections to the council that makes these decisions.
No real surprises in the ITV debate so far though Burgon coming off worst
Agreed. And your robot boy already bested Farage and sturgeon in exchanges. Swinson coming out best, but why is she always on edge of stage 😕 Why Tory robot always in middle, always gets first chance to answer. Every time etchy goes to him to answer first, that is disgraceful you agree HY? He gets more come back opportunities and speaking time than anyone else.
He is getting about the same speaking time as Swinson, Sturgeon, Burgon and Farage
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
No street lights in our village. We manage fine. Lovely starry skies as side benefit. Buy a torch and get over it.
When I go out to the sticks to visit my Mum there are no street lights either, but then again there's very little traffic and the night time economy consists of one pub. People's concerns about this aren't entirely risible.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
Oh come on the last place I lived in the streets went out at midnight and we had to navigate our way home from the pub in the dark, nobody was killed but I did fall over occasionally but not as a result of the lights being off.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
I hope they pick up food waste more regularly than that.
Yes - weekly
I get my bins entered every night in summer and six nights a week in winter, but then I don’t live in the UK. My council tax is €500 pa with a degree of thought anything is possible or are you to lazy to walk at most 50 to 100 ?meters to the bin
Not sure about walking to bins as we do not have communal bins. Each home has a food waste container, a 3 section trolley block and a bin
It is really upsetting that the two people in Fishmongers Hall were so young and had so much positivity to offer for the future. It may well be the fault of Corbyn and Labour and they should be held to account and apologise for it should that be the case. However, I was disturbed by the casuality of Boris' use of language during the Marr Show. The term 'leftie' as used when apportioning blame for the incident struck me as spoken by someone who really didn't care.
Won’t answer the wto exit end of 2010 issue hiding behind claiming they have deal, this is the biggest con unless they sign up for total alignment with the EU it’s going to take a lot longer than five months, which is all they have before having to ask for an extension.
Because the opposition politicians just shout "no deal" If they were smarter they would be shouting "No trade deal."
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
I hope they pick up food waste more regularly than that.
Yes - weekly
I get my bins entered every night in summer and six nights a week in winter, but then I don’t live in the UK. My council tax is €500 pa with a degree of thought anything is possible or are you to lazy to walk at most 50 to 100 ?meters to the bin
Not sure about walking to bins as we do not have communal bins. Each home has a food waste container, a 3 section trolley block and a bin
And my council tax is £2,700 for this year
You don’t have communal bins but I bet with some thought 60% could have. The refuse collection team is 1 driver and two operators who hook up the grundons highly efficient but do occasionally wake me up at four in the morning in the summer,
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
I assume it depends on the number of polls used for the average
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Yes, but this election is for an MP to sit in Parliament. Bin collections and street lighting are issues for local elections to the council that makes these decisions.
Except that, because central Government rather than local taxation supplies so much of the local Government budget, this could be argued to be a General Election issue. Councils commonly blame cost cutting measures like long bin collection periods and turning off the lights on lack of cash.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
Oh come on the last place I lived in the streets went out at midnight and we had to navigate our way home from the pub in the dark, nobody was killed but I did fall over occasionally but not as a result of the lights being off.
Ah, that classic lack of joined up thinking, as seen by many councils. Change pub closing time from 11 to 1 or 2am, but still switch off the street lights at midnight.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
In our case it is not a problem as we do recycle a lot but it is a big problem for families
And they are about to introduce charges for picking up garden waste
I hope they pick up food waste more regularly than that.
Yes - weekly
I get my bins entered every night in summer and six nights a week in winter, but then I don’t live in the UK. My council tax is €500 pa with a degree of thought anything is possible or are you to lazy to walk at most 50 to 100 ?meters to the bin
Not sure about walking to bins as we do not have communal bins. Each home has a food waste container, a 3 section trolley block and a bin
And my council tax is £2,700 for this year
You don’t have communal bins but I bet with some thought 60% could have. The refuse collection team is 1 driver and two operators who hook up the grundons highly efficient but do occasionally wake me up at four in the morning in the summer,
It is not in our tradition to have communal bins unless you are living in apartment blocks and in our village the vast majority of properties are houses and bungalows
Believe you me if anyone suggested such a scheme there would be uproar
No complaints on the bins here. Camden council has absolutely nailed it in this department. Pick them up every Tuesday morning like clockwork. Empty them and put them back where they came from. It's impressive.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
Yay, Spanish Stroll is one of my fave singles.
I recommend the acoustic album (mainly recorded live in Berlin) from the early noughties. Unfortunately very difficult to get hold of, but readily accessed on youtube.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Yes, but this election is for an MP to sit in Parliament. Bin collections and street lighting are issues for local elections to the council that makes these decisions.
Except that, because central Government rather than local taxation supplies so much of the local Government budget, this could be argued to be a General Election issue. Councils commonly blame cost cutting measures like long bin collection periods and turning off the lights on lack of cash.
That sounds like an excellent reason for more devolution to local authorities, let them raise more of their own cash and choose how to spend it. Actually, a lot of the recent bin madness is down to EU directives on waste disposal and landfill.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Yes, but this election is for an MP to sit in Parliament. Bin collections and street lighting are issues for local elections to the council that makes these decisions.
Except that, because central Government rather than local taxation supplies so much of the local Government budget, this could be argued to be a General Election issue. Councils commonly blame cost cutting measures like long bin collection periods and turning off the lights on lack of cash.
Fortnightly collection and grass collection charges are in the hands of local government, but the requirement to align with the ponzi landfill tax credits system, and even the suggested food waste collection proposals means that with councils limited to inflation 2% increases the means to fund them must come directly. PS. recycling is a money changing hands scam most of the time.
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
You'd rate Schubert ahead of Thom Yorke?
That's a gutsy call on here. People have been banned for less.
I would rate Boney M ahead of Thom Yorke - at least their version of Heart of Gold.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
You'd rate Schubert ahead of Thom Yorke?
That's a gutsy call on here. People have been banned for less.
I would rate Boney M ahead of Thom Yorke - at least their version of Heart of Gold.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
Yay, Spanish Stroll is one of my fave singles.
I recommend the acoustic album (mainly recorded live in Berlin) from the early noughties. Unfortunately very difficult to get hold of, but readily accessed on youtube.
I’ve never heard of him but if you mean Unplugged in Berlin, it’s freely available on Spotify.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Yes, but this election is for an MP to sit in Parliament. Bin collections and street lighting are issues for local elections to the council that makes these decisions.
Except that, because central Government rather than local taxation supplies so much of the local Government budget, this could be argued to be a General Election issue. Councils commonly blame cost cutting measures like long bin collection periods and turning off the lights on lack of cash.
That sounds like an excellent reason for more devolution to local authorities, let them raise more of their own cash and choose how to spend it. Actually, a lot of the recent bin madness is down to EU directives on waste disposal and landfill.
But at the moment (I think) council tax rates are capped and central government funding is continually reduced. The local council is faced every year with making choices, quite correctly, between competing priorities and are in a no win situation whatever color they are.
No one really cares about these debates without Corbyn and Johnson .
Burgon is really annoying , I find his voice grates but clearly they’ve stuck on a Labour MP from the north with the appropriate accent to appeal to Labour Leave voters .
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
Rounded that is 10%
You cannot selectively delete polls you don’t like. Rounded these are both 9% and the same given the MOE.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
I assume it depends on the number of polls used for the average
If you use the wikipedia list you cannot get those results with any consistent number of consecutive polls in both years.
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
You can save a lot of money by turning them off at night
Because they can never be seen to be wrong..they are brazen beyond belief and I think.it is institutionalized within the party..the Millwall of the political.system
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
Rounded that is 10%
You cannot selectively delete polls you don’t like. Rounded these are both 9% and the same given the MOE.
9.7% rounded up is 10%. I haven't included Survation because they only publish late on the Sunday. In other words it doesn't exist - yet! An ELBOW week runs from Monday to Sunday, you see.
Because they can never be seen to be wrong..they are brazen beyond belief and I think.it is institutionalized within the party..the Millwall of the political.system
Yes tories are paragons of virtue never do anything wrong and are open and welcoming to none Tory councilors who get elected. Lovely people
It is not in our tradition to have communal bins unless you are living in apartment blocks and in our village the vast majority of properties are houses and bungalows
Believe you me if anyone suggested such a scheme there would be uproar
To be honest for us the system works well
I've tried both - in Haslemere around a dozen homes shared a common bin area (gated to avoid foxes getting at the bins), while where I live in Godalming we have individual bins. I preferred the Haslemere solution, as you could drop rubbish in any day of the week, and when the rubbish was collected was a matter of indifference to us - they could have gone over to 4-weekly and it would have been fine. Cluttering up every home with individual bins and trundling them in and out is as tiresome as having a boiler of doubtful quality in every home instead of district heating. But clearly joint solutions only work if the homes are reasonably close together.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
And Lockerbie in 1988, another Libyan bomb in the U.K.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
Didn’t we bomb Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan in 1998 as well?
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
Well, innocent civilians - lots of them - were killed by US bombs in both nations, no?
Why does no one talk about bread and butter issues on the debate? "Bringing people together"? I read that people in Leigh moan about the 3 week bin collections, and probably everyone else in Britain too. If Boris promises to shift from 3 week bin collections to 1 week it would have far more impact with voters than vacuous slogans.
4 week bin collection here in Aberconwy
How is that even tolerable
This really is the stuff that matters. Round my way a promise to restore weekly bin collections and reinstate proper street lighting would get a majority for anyone.
Lets all talk to HYUFD about it, he might convince the Conservatives to announce something about it next week.
Honestly, the street lighting thing is the worst. Have they done it for others on here? At least half, and in places all, lights go off after a certain time. In other words precisely when you most need the sodding things!
Ah, but it's very green. Good for energy efficiency. Good for night-flying insects. And, if people get run over on the roads and killed as a result, they stop consuming the planet's finite resources and become compost instead. Everyone's a winner!
You can save a lot of money by turning them off at night
Ummmm... My favourite on this, to be serious, was a village council who turned street lights off for three days as an economy measure. It saved £18 but there were two £15 fees to disconnect and reconnect them. It cost £12 to spend three days nights in darkness.
Edited after I noticed how stupid my chosen word was...
That is true for pretty much all human endeavors. Our lives are better across the board, our sportsmen are better trained, our hospitals and schools are better resourced and the education and health offered is much richer. Our roads are much safer, our air is much cleaner, our cars are much more reliable, our computers are much better and faster. It goes on and on and on.
Absolutely right. And IMO this applies to the arts too. Music, films, TV, novels, poetry, plays etc, all better now than they used to be. Why? Because wider access means more product, thus harder to stand out. Every week there are songs released that are as good as anything by the Beatles. Just that you won't come across them. Yes, progress in everything is inevitable. I believe that. We are even getting better looking. Well, we aren't, quite the opposite, but you know what I mean.
True, and its why that film Yesterday was just nostalgic mush. All those songs are fantastic. But our joy in hearing beatles songs is in how familiar we are with them and how they flood our minds with memories when we hear them.
My significant other got me onto an obscure artist that most people havent heard of. Having been forced to listen to many of his songs over the space of a couple of years i now listen to him a lot and some of them feel to me as good as those classics.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I cannot rate any modern composer with the likes of Schubert. No living artist can rival past masters such as Casper David Friedrich. And I defy anyone to find a play to equal Stoppard's Arcadia since it was written nearly 30 years ago. The real benefit of wider access is that it makes it easier to find the hidden gems from all eras. The example I like is Willy DeVille. A neglected genius in the UK and USA, I first heard his music in Germany (where he is still huge 10 years after his death), and youtube has given me the access to confirm his genius.
You'd rate Schubert ahead of Thom Yorke?
That's a gutsy call on here. People have been banned for less.
I would rate Boney M ahead of Thom Yorke - at least their version of Heart of Gold.
Thank you for that, I had no idea that existed.
Nothing will ever persuade me that Mink DeVille was not the Byronic to Lou Reed's SeanT.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
And Lockerbie in 1988, another Libyan bomb in the U.K.
How do you rewind 1000 years of history? I’ve no idea but a start would be to see all religious leaders sit down together and provide a united force for peace. It would help if all religions withdrew from front line politics, it would help if we were more tolerant of our differences and it would help if politicians did not use those differences for their own advantage. It’s probably impossible but until people stop gaming religion to their advantage we won’t get anywhere.
This is just not true. Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2% Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8% (Based on last six polls in wiki)
ELBOW (sans Survation) is 9.7%. That's all 10 polls with fieldwork ending within the last seven days.
And if you take the same approach to GE17 at D-11 you get... 9.69%
I find it most extraordinary that all these other leftie parties are ganging up on Labour and giving the Tory a free ride. Fantastic to watch leftie on leftie action though.
After Libya blew up a Berlin Disco and Iraq invaded Kuwait....but yeah, it’s all the West's fault. We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
And Lockerbie in 1988, another Libyan bomb in the U.K.
And the Iran Air shoot-down by the US, five months earlier.
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The essence of this campaign is completely different to 2017.
The Tories were subsequently thrown out and replaced by a red-yellow coalition.
But we saw a tweet from a Corbynite canvasser saying that things feel really good on the ground in Hackney!
Swinson coming out best, but why is she always on edge of stage 😕 Why Tory robot always in middle, always gets first chance to answer. Every time etchy goes to him to answer first, that is disgraceful you agree HY? He gets more come back opportunities and speaking time than anyone else.
I've been wondering for a while what the lib dems actually stand for, but this election has opened my eyes: it's deception.
Buy a torch and get over it.
And my council tax is £2,700 for this year
It may well be the fault of Corbyn and Labour and they should be held to account and apologise for it should that be the case. However, I was disturbed by the casuality of Boris' use of language during the Marr Show. The term 'leftie' as used when apportioning blame for the incident struck me as spoken by someone who really didn't care.
Average Tory lead (last 6 polls) 11 days ahead of GE19 = 9.2%
Average Tory lead 11 days ahead of GE17 = 8.8%
(Based on last six polls in wiki)
Her view is
Sturgeon best by a mile.
Burgon the worst by a mile
Others "all good"
I read something about Milne today and he really is the worst of a bad lot.
Believe you me if anyone suggested such a scheme there would be uproar
To be honest for us the system works well
No unsubstantiated claims like this please. -PB Moderator
Actually, a lot of the recent bin madness is down to EU directives on waste disposal and landfill.
PS. recycling is a money changing hands scam most of the time.
Worse even than chocolate sprinkled on coffee.
Have they finally woken up in the final two weeks? 😂
We’re far from blameless - but to suggest we’re solely to blame is purile.
An ELBOW week runs from Monday to Sunday, you see.
My favourite on this, to be serious, was a village council who turned street lights off for three days as an economy measure. It saved £18 but there were two £15 fees to disconnect and reconnect them. It cost £12 to spend three
daysnights in darkness.Edited after I noticed how stupid my chosen word was...
Nothing will ever persuade me that Mink DeVille was not the Byronic to Lou Reed's SeanT.
9.69%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655