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  • glw said:

    When can we have the robot train drivers?

    Never ever if Corbyn wins.
    I have no idea if they have it in their manifesto again. But, the last one was basically advocating the return of the elevator assistant type job for the DLR.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited November 2019


    I think HD is about 35M not to buffer. So is 4K about 100M ? I get what claims to be 4K on youtube with no buffering but I have 1G - B4RN - Broadband for the Rural North. This time last year I was on satellite and paying 4 times as much. Didn't even bother connecting the TV had about 10M to 20M and that was still for ever better than BT

    There are lots of different 4k, depends on frame rate, quality, etc. Netflix says 25mbit for 4k. Others can be much more, eg 60fps, or higher quality (HDR)

    If you really want to make your connection cry, search for 8k60 on youtube. Will need 100mbit+ I guess.



  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Nothing says "Free Society" than restricting the right to strike.

    Fuck me, anyone criticising Corbyn for excessive state ism yet supports that policy is a hypocrite.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,664
    Con Maj ticked in one notch to 1.54 earlier this afternoon, bounced back to 1.55 but now reverted back to 1.54 and that has held.

    Chance of going 1.53 soon - only £47 on offer at 1.54.

  • Oh, and thanks to everyone for the replies :)
  • RobD said:

    I don't see why people would take the piss out of Barneasian's model, just because it's different. I recall the outliers in the 2017 elections being laughed at and ridiculed (with a particularly memorable one being the Survation poll where the BBC laughed at him on TV) and yet they ended up being right.

    I think in truth nobody knows what is going to happen and if I have ever sounded certain I can tell you I'm very much not.

    You sound pretty certain about the polls being wrong.
    I'm not sure I'd say the polls are wrong in so much as I do think the Tories are ahead (which they all show), I just think the degree in which they are is perhaps overstated.

    I'm not thinking actually Labour are in the lead and headed for a landslide or anything like that.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Alistair said:

    Nothing says "Free Society" than restricting the right to strike.

    Fuck me, anyone criticising Corbyn for excessive state ism yet supports that policy is a hypocrite.

    Nope. If you don't like the working conditions then quit and find a better job.
  • alb1onalb1on Posts: 698
    TudorRose said:

    When can we have the robot train drivers?

    We're allegedly close to having driverless cars so why not driverless trains?
    I do have a problem with any rail proposals to be managed by a Boris administration. Ever since he proposed TFL using continental style double decker trains and it was pointed out to him that they would not fit under Victorian bridges I have assumed thousands of deaths if he is allowed any decision making in rail matters.
  • MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Nothing says "Free Society" than restricting the right to strike.

    Fuck me, anyone criticising Corbyn for excessive state ism yet supports that policy is a hypocrite.

    Nope. If you don't like the working conditions then quit and find a better job.
    …. yes totally. Now back up that chimney, young man.
  • In terms of the Underground, isn't it only certain lines that could be currently automated, I think others don't have the technology yet?
  • TudorRose said:

    When can we have the robot train drivers?

    We're allegedly close to having driverless cars so why not driverless trains?
    We can have driverless trains anytime we like. Signalling upgrades going on help this. The modern dubai metro and others in the middle east while not as large as the London network are driverless for example.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,491
    kle4 said:

    spudgfsh said:

    kle4 said:

    nunu2 said:

    I have a feeling there won"t be as many libdems voting tactically for Corbyn as people think.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1197968171275358208

    Most LDs thesedays seem as against the coalition as Labour are, I'm surprised a non-coalition candidate did not stand for leader. Sure they still back Jo Swinson, but they seem far more angry about those days than she is.
    There wasn't the greatest pool of MPs to pick from in the leadership election.
    What do you mean, there was Jo, Ed and Layla and, um, the gay sex is not a sin not wait it is but I'll lie about it guy could have another go, er, or the liar Carmichael, or...Ok, fair enough.

    I do feel for Jo though. I've not seen her really be objectionable, but even assuming some of the criticism of her is overblown, it does seem true people are not taking well to her.
    Although I could not support the Lib Dems at the moment because of BREXIT, I have some respect and admiration for Jo Swinson, both her other policy's and the imporetion of competence.

    I realise that I am close to being alone in this opinion on this forum, but I have a few friends who think similarly.

    In an ideal would, Brexit will happen next year, it is be a big sucsess, and the opponents will stop opsonising it, and then at the next election I can vote for Jo and the Lib Dems with pride and a big smile on my face :)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Nothing says "Free Society" than restricting the right to strike.

    Fuck me, anyone criticising Corbyn for excessive state ism yet supports that policy is a hypocrite.

    Nope. If you don't like the working conditions then quit and find a better job.
    …. yes totally. Now back up that chimney, young man.
    We don't live in an era where there is a single state provider of all services and strikes are necessary to make one's voice heard. In the same way consumers can and do vote with their wallets, employees can and do vote with their feet. That's not the issue though, the issue is that these morons are on a cushy number pressing a few buttons for £50k per year and a giant pension because the union has a monopoly on employment provision.

    So yeah, it's time to smash the unions to pieces and make these people compete in the same labour market as everyone else.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    @camel

    Yes that 2010 result here was incredible. The closest 3 way marginal probably ever. This time I think it's a Lab LD fight. I predict Lab hold by less than 1000. Overall I think Con maj in high 2 digits.

    @TudorRose

    Thank you. ☺ Better now but noted. I don't catch many colds since I don't mix with the public very much but this one was full value.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,141
    nunu2 said:

    Ave_it said:

    When's the next poll?

    Idk but Deltapoll is at 7pm
    Presumably, Opinium will be at about 6.30.
  • kle4 said:

    Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    I only travel on rail occasionally - do we really get that many that they need to be clamped down further?
    Yes, SWR is out for the entire month of December due to the militancy of the RMT.

    My wife can't get to work. So will have to use taxis or do a dreadful drive.
  • IanB2 said:

    Floater said:

    IanB2 said:

    Mr. Mark, it's gone down another penny.

    I'm highly likely to get it. Last time I bought a proper Civ was in 1999 (console player). But it does seem a bit peculiar.

    I bought Civ VI from Steam during a sale last December. But have yet to launch it #uselessanecdote
    try it - its a worthy addition to the series
    I still like Civ IV
    It took me two games to get into Civ VI, but I now love it as the best in the series.

    Have a lot of affection for Civ IV but just died (horribly) too many times from stacks-of-doom.
  • spudgfsh said:

    IanB2 said:

    Mr. Mark, it's gone down another penny.

    I'm highly likely to get it. Last time I bought a proper Civ was in 1999 (console player). But it does seem a bit peculiar.

    I bought Civ VI from Steam during a sale last December. But have yet to launch it #uselessanecdote
    I can't go near any Civ game if I want to get to bed before 4am. (not good when my alarm goes off at 6)
    I find my marital and parental duties to be an irritating obstacle.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,695

    TudorRose said:

    When can we have the robot train drivers?

    We're allegedly close to having driverless cars so why not driverless trains?
    We can have driverless trains anytime we like. Signalling upgrades going on help this. The modern dubai metro and others in the middle east while not as large as the London network are driverless for example.
    I travelled on a driverless train on the Paris metro quite a few years ago.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited November 2019
    Yes all. Those famous strikes in the 1800s and early 1900s which were crucial in improving working standards were totes not against privately owned businesses.
  • Floater said:

    Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    And there was I thinking you were toying with the Lib Dems ;-)
    I was toying with abstaining or spoiling my ballot.

    No more. I still think Boris is very untrustworthy, but I think it's better for him now to get a decent majority that he can actually do something with and for us to hold him accountable for that.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Alistair said:

    Yes all. Those famous strikes in the 1800s and early 1900s which were crucial in improving working standards were totes not against privately owned businesses.

    Yes and the employment laws are identical to the , right?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Nothing says "Free Society" than restricting the right to strike.

    Fuck me, anyone criticising Corbyn for excessive state ism yet supports that policy is a hypocrite.

    Nope. If you don't like the working conditions then quit and find a better job.
    I did. I did. But it's not pleasant.

    A few days ago @Casino_Royale bemoaned the power of public sector unions and pointed out that the oppressed workers in call centres and sports shops were the ones that needed a union. I politely pointed out that the union reforms of the 80's and 90's were the reason why those workers didn't have a union, and the lack of union was the reason why they had poor working conditions. People treat other people as badly as they are allowed to.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947
    MaxPB said:

    Nope. If you don't like the working conditions then quit and find a better job.

    That spells Mike Ashley economy.

    We need strong unions in the private sector, not so much in the public sector.

    And what have we got? The opposite.
  • Alistair said:

    Yes all. Those famous strikes in the 1800s and early 1900s which were crucial in improving working standards were totes not against privately owned businesses.

    The RMT aren't striking against kids going down mines, or working a 90-hour week for terrible pay in awful conditions with no toilet breaks.

    They're exploiting a monopoly position to maximise perks and benefits for their members, their union power and to influence national political events.

    I understand the law being proposed is an "essential minimum service" law similar to what France and Germany already have in place.
  • If those 300,000 people actually bother to turn out, maybe we can stop Boris Johnson
  • In terms of the Underground, isn't it only certain lines that could be currently automated, I think others don't have the technology yet?

    Yes, Victoria Line and Jubilee Line are basically automatic in addition to the DLR. Others - Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines - are being upgraded through the Four Lines Modernisation (4LM) project.

    In fact, many lines could be driverless (as well as guardless) now. All the drivers do is supervise the opening and closing doors at rush hour, manage customer information (i.e make announcements) and general "safety".
  • alb1on said:


    MaxPB said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    SWR could just guarantee guards on trains and stop the strikes. SWT had the franchise for well over 10 years and had barely any strikes at all in that time. The franchise changed and suddenly it's all gone to shit.

    It's not train drivers that are to blame - it has to be fundamental that people have the right to strike - it's a train company that doesn't give a crap about safety, or passengers, all they care about is profit.

    The privatised train system is a complete disaster. It must be re-nationalised.

    It's a complete disaster, yet carries more passengers than ever before. Unnecessary hyperbole.
    Having more passengers doesn't stop it being a disaster. I get the train because I have no choice, not because I rate the service.

    And because of the fake idea of "competition" I get no choice, it's SWR or I don't go to work. So even that element of it is rubbish.
    So the solution to this is a state run railway that would be even more beholden to the unions?
    Well the current system isn't working, or do you not agree about that?

    If they want to privatise it more and get rid of subsidies entirely, then I'd even prefer that over the current system. The thing is that if the subsidies were removed, the TOCs would cease to exist.
    It's not working because of the unions. The solution is to smash the unions to bits.
    I don't think the Unions are to blame for my train being on average 15 minutes late every day.
    Depends on the train. If it is a line affected by the guards dispute then it is the unions. If not, then it is Notwork Rail. Only a tiny minority of the dalays are down to something other than guards disputes, signalling, track issues, engineering overrunning or lack of track capacity. And Jez wants the clowns responsible for the infrastructure disaster to run the services as well. You could not invent it.
    Great typo, if unintentional!
  • Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    Would that apply in Scotland?
    Yes, I think so.

    I don't think IR matters (UK single market rules) are devolved.
  • In terms of the Underground, isn't it only certain lines that could be currently automated, I think others don't have the technology yet?

    Yes, Victoria Line and Jubilee Line are basically automatic in addition to the DLR. Others - Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines - are being upgraded through the Four Lines Modernisation (4LM) project.

    In fact, many lines could be driverless (as well as guardless) now. All the drivers do is supervise the opening and closing doors at rush hour, manage customer information (i.e make announcements) and general "safety".
    I suspect if they were automated, they would still have people on the platforms at rush hour.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    kle4 said:

    Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    I only travel on rail occasionally - do we really get that many that they need to be clamped down further?
    Yes, SWR is out for the entire month of December due to the militancy of the RMT.

    My wife can't get to work. So will have to use taxis or do a dreadful drive.
    During the last SWR strike, there were plenty of trains running.

    Before getting carried away with Bozo’s latest promise, non-Londoners may wish to know that in his mayoral reelection campaign he promised to outlaw tube strikes, then when in office caved in to the RMT giving drivers top drawer pay and conditions - whilst doing nothing at all to stop future strikes.
  • IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    I only travel on rail occasionally - do we really get that many that they need to be clamped down further?
    Yes, SWR is out for the entire month of December due to the militancy of the RMT.

    My wife can't get to work. So will have to use taxis or do a dreadful drive.
    During the last SWR strike, there were plenty of trains running.

    Before getting carried away with Bozo’s latest promise, non-Londoners may wish to know that in his mayoral reelection campaign he promised to outlaw tube strikes, then when in office caved in to the RMT giving drivers top drawer pay and conditions - whilst doing nothing at all to stop future strikes.
    I believe there were more strikes under Johnson than under Khan (relatively).
  • IanB2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Looks like the Tories are going to pledge a law to seriously restrict rail strikes in their manifesto tomorrow.

    That’ll probably prove decisive for my vote.

    I only travel on rail occasionally - do we really get that many that they need to be clamped down further?
    Yes, SWR is out for the entire month of December due to the militancy of the RMT.

    My wife can't get to work. So will have to use taxis or do a dreadful drive.
    During the last SWR strike, there were plenty of trains running.

    Before getting carried away with Bozo’s latest promise, non-Londoners may wish to know that in his mayoral reelection campaign he promised to outlaw tube strikes, then when in office caved in to the RMT giving drivers top drawer pay and conditions - whilst doing nothing at all to stop future strikes.
    It's typical Tory virtue signalling.

    When they have strikes, they already do run a minimum service. It's nonsense that the trains don't run at all, I suspect if you worked it out it would be well over 10% of services still running.

    If the Tories cared, they announce automation as a key policy and yet they haven't. So I only conclude they know it's not workable and that they don't know how to fix the trains.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Watford= Corbyn + Swinson.

    Down as I said in Aug

    MikeS well done

    Need some nice polls now!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    If voter registrations are similar to 2017 then you’d expect around 37% to be duplicates.

    So something to bear in mind . We normally see a massive surge on the deadline day . Yesterday’s 300,000 figure was the fourth largest ever recorded , more notable because it wasn’t on the deadline day . The figure to look out for is 622,000 that was in 2017 .

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