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camel

First, like first dibs McDonnell has on your wealth.

Alphabet_Soup

Second. Time-lapse before billionaires leave.

Scrapheap_as_was

Second like Spurs in most matches

Scrapheap_as_was

Even that's not going right...

NorthCadboll

I saw someone mention the Trussell Trust on the last thread. Did you all know that they invoice all the little local foodbanks up and down the country vast amounts just for the privilege of running a foodbank? Our local foodbank in Tain got an invoice of more than £1000 from them via Blytheswood who act as their local "tax" collectors. Our little foodbank had to put out an appeal to pay the Trussell Trust invoice so sorry but for me they are a shower of two faced barstewards lecturing the government on one hand and bleeding little local foodbanks dry on the other hand.

MattW

First.

Er ... Fifth. Like the Remainer Column :-o .

Er ... Sixer. Like JoSo in the Brownies.

So that will be 51% for the LibDems in 600 Constituencies, because they are always nearly winning and are as honest as Bercow is tall.

(and who is this person who inserts serious comments in the first 5 answers. No. No. No.)

JBriskinindyref2

Ms Briskin just had a labour canvasser - she said she didn’t t know who she was voting for yet - and to break the uncomfortable silence I shouted from the living room “I m postal voting labour - fuck the snp”

So I m a tactical voter (and thanks to view code for the postal vote tip)

Fenster

Fifth, like Salmond will be pleading.

FrancisUrquhart

We've been hearing what Jeremy Corbyn said in a speech at Upper Gornal Pensioners Club near Dudley, but before entering he was heckled by a small group of men. The group, who had been warned over their behaviour by plain-clothed police, shouted "scum" repeatedly. The Labour leader was escorted into the building by the police to speak to his supporters in the marginal constituency.

Really no need for this. At least we haven't had the milkshake crap from the Euros.

Wulfrun_Phil

Typo in the thread header. Looking at the last graph, presumably "And GE2017 has the historically highest “important to me” rating" should be "GE2019".

Philip_Thompson

So the Liberal Democrats may be polling 16% but only 10% of the population actually likes them? Wow lol.

JBriskinindyref2

NorthCadboll said:

I saw someone mention the Trussell Trust on the last thread. Did you all know that they invoice all the little local foodbanks up and down the country vast amounts just for the privilege of running a foodbank? Our local foodbank in Tain got an invoice of more than £1000 from them via Blytheswood who act as their local "tax" collectors. Our little foodbank had to put out an appeal to pay the Trussell Trust invoice so sorry but for me they are a shower of two faced barstewards lecturing the government on one hand and bleeding little local foodbanks dry on the other hand.

This does surprise me - I ve always been highly sceptical of the third sector tho

JBriskinindyref2

I don t like the wording of the tactical voting question- surely a simple -“will you be voting tactically” should suffice

BannedinnParis

FrancisUrquhart said:

We've been hearing what Jeremy Corbyn said in a speech at Upper Gornal Pensioners Club near Dudley, but before entering he was heckled by a small group of men. The group, who had been warned over their behaviour by plain-clothed police, shouted "scum" repeatedly. The Labour leader was escorted into the building by the police to speak to his supporters in the marginal constituency.

Really no need for this. At least we haven't had the milkshake crap from the Euros.

there was a milk-shaking in Reading today

NorthCadboll

Incredible coincidence that Mark Austin and SKY News' Path to Power programme is being broadcast from Gordon constituency this evening. Of course the former SNP MP for Gordon appeared in the High Court in Edinburgh this morning on totally unrelated matters. I wonder what effect this will have on Colin Clark's re-election chances?

camel

I'm no statistician but the last bar chart posted by Mike seems to ((weakly)) correlate with turnout. On that basis, I predict an increased turnout over 2017.

70-75% at 5-1 (BetFred) looks like value to me. Sadly I don't have an account with them.

PeterMannion

14th, like Jose

FrancisUrquhart

BannedinnParis said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

We've been hearing what Jeremy Corbyn said in a speech at Upper Gornal Pensioners Club near Dudley, but before entering he was heckled by a small group of men. The group, who had been warned over their behaviour by plain-clothed police, shouted "scum" repeatedly. The Labour leader was escorted into the building by the police to speak to his supporters in the marginal constituency.

Really no need for this. At least we haven't had the milkshake crap from the Euros.

there was a milk-shaking in Reading today

Oh FFS....lock the twats up.

JBriskinindyref2

camel said:

I'm no statistician but the last bar chart posted by Mike seems to ((weakly)) correlate with turnout. On that basis, I predict an increased turnout over 2017.

70-75% at 5-1 (BetFred) looks like value to me. Sadly I don't have an account with them.

Not a market to get involved in given the weather although at least you've found alright odds.

OnlyLivingBoy

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

AlastairMeeks

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

IanB2

This poll is encouraging for the LibDems, with already a higher level of (implied) tactical voting than in the last two elections, and with a significant number of them coming to the centre. The level of tactical voting is likely to grow as the parties’ ground campaigns demonstrate to voters who is fighting their local seat seriously, and all those bar charts start to drop through letterboxes.

Floater

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

JBriskinindyref2

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

I was finding this problem till I saw bet365 odds - Labour 8/1, Con 40/1.

First time I've voted in a long time - but my anti-separatist tactical vote became all too clear

AramintaMoonbeamQC

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

Pretty poorly, so expect things to continue in the same vein.

Floater

I had thought this was just a mad idea by one of the Loony team surrounding Corbyn but no...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7711287/Jeremy-Corbyn-pledges-formal-inquiry-Britains-colonial-legacy.html

JBriskinindyref2

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

We got a leaflet along with our canvasser-

"Supporting the Environment
Labour will use the skills and expertise of North Sea oil workers to help deliver a zero-carbon economy."

I'm not happy about voting Labour. The worst thing is I don't think it's going to work. But you've got to try to keep evil nationalists out of parliament anyway you can.

BigRich

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but has everybody seen the first weekly fundraising umbers by the Electoral Commition?

The numbers are quite one-sided to say the least.

It does only cover one week, the 6 Nov -13 Nov, so it starts after the election was announced, and it may be that some donations where given just before, to avode having to be reported on like this, it may even be that Lab have deliberately kept there donations low in this week, so they can plead poverty and ask for lots of small donations. but...….

Con £5,700,000
Lab £200,000
Lib Dem £275,000

RobD

BigRich said:

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but has everybody seen the first weekly fundraising umbers by the Electoral Commition?

The numbers are quite one-sided to say the least.

It does only cover one week, the 6 Nov -13 Nov, so it starts after the election was announced, and it may be that some donations where given just before, to avode having to be reported on like this, it may even be that Lab have deliberately kept there donations low in this week, so they can plead poverty and ask for lots of small donations. but...….

Con £5,700,000
Lab £200,000
Lib Dem £275,000

It's also not a sum of all donations, rather a sum of those over £7,500.

Richard_Nabavi

Floater said:

I had thought this was just a mad idea by one of the Loony team surrounding Corbyn but no...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7711287/Jeremy-Corbyn-pledges-formal-inquiry-Britains-colonial-legacy.html

According to Dan Sabbargh of the Guardan, it's Labour's 'flagship foreign policy pledge'.

Utterly stark raving bonkers. There are many very serious foreign policy issues, and Corbyn's priority is things which happened 100 to 200 years ago (and those misrepresented).

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/1197512583907028996

Sandpit

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

We got a leaflet along with our canvasser-

"Supporting the Environment
Labour will use the skills and expertise of North Sea oil workers to help deliver a zero-carbon economy."

I'm not happy about voting Labour. The worst thing is I don't think it's going to work. But you've got to try to keep evil nationalists out of parliament anyway you can.

Will any party talking about the environment pledge to refrain from printing a couple of hundred million leaflets over the course of their campaign?

NorthCadboll

OnlyLivingBoy said:

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

Don't misunderstand me, I am well aware of the levels of poverty in our very rich country, especially among those euphemistically called the "working poor". That is why I know what happens in our local foodbank. My local Rotary club has just helped buy a much needed heater for our local foodbank. We will also be making up our annual Christmas hampers next week which are distributed on our behalf by the Christian charity which operates the foodbank. We are doing a bag pack in Tesco on Saturday to raise money for the hampers and our other local projects.

The level of poverty across the UK is an indictment on ALL governments, Tory, Coalition and Labour at Westminster, Labour and SNP at Holyrood and Cardiff and the Rainbow coalition in Belfast. That is also why even though I am a right wing Tory I believe building good quality social housing should be the top priority of all our governments.

Sandpit

RobD said:

BigRich said:

Forgive me if this has been posted already, but has everybody seen the first weekly fundraising umbers by the Electoral Commition?

The numbers are quite one-sided to say the least.

It does only cover one week, the 6 Nov -13 Nov, so it starts after the election was announced, and it may be that some donations where given just before, to avode having to be reported on like this, it may even be that Lab have deliberately kept there donations low in this week, so they can plead poverty and ask for lots of small donations. but...….

Con £5,700,000
Lab £200,000
Lib Dem £275,000

It's also not a sum of all donations, rather a sum of those over £7,500.

Didn’t one of the unions try and get a million-pound donation classified as a million one-pound donations a couple of years ago?

nico67

Labour apparently earnt over 1 million in small donations . The total ones over 7,500 though which puts the Tories on 5,700,000 is perfect for their election narrative .

SandyRentool

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

rkrkrk

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1197564455468580864

Look at the lowest end of the 10% of income earners. What a change between 1977 and 1987

Big_G_NorthWales

SandyRentool said:

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

There is only one vote to guarantee Corbyn is beaten and that is conservative

Richard_Nabavi

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

A mix of the two.

rottenborough

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

Pineapple?

MikeL

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Morris_Dancer

I had some doorknockers today.

Unfortunately they were religious types who interrupted my work. I politely declined to their generous offer for a prolonged discussion on my religious views.

rottenborough

CH 4 leaders debate off.

SandyRentool

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

We got a leaflet along with our canvasser-

"Supporting the Environment
Labour will use the skills and expertise of North Sea oil workers to help deliver a zero-carbon economy."

I'm not happy about voting Labour. The worst thing is I don't think it's going to work. But you've got to try to keep evil nationalists out of parliament anyway you can.

That is a sensible policy. Repurposing redundant oil and gas infrastructure for CO2 storage reduces the cost significantly. And the skills required are transferable.

nico67

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

Parmesan ! Cheddar is far too strong , and if you have a good base sauce then you should be fine . Good luck !

SandyRentool

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

There is only one vote to guarantee Corbyn is beaten and that is conservative

That's not quite what I was trying to achieve!

RobD

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

That one never made it on to the list here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

I'd be very surprised if Boris and Corbyn appeared in six more debates.

Banterman

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Its channel 4. After their news boss accused Boris of being a liar, they all refuse, quite rightly, to appear on it.

What did Channel 4 expect?

Big_G_NorthWales

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

There is only one vote to guarantee Corbyn is beaten and that is conservative

That's not quite what I was trying to achieve!

I know

prh47bridge

JBriskinindyref2 said:

NorthCadboll said:

I saw someone mention the Trussell Trust on the last thread. Did you all know that they invoice all the little local foodbanks up and down the country vast amounts just for the privilege of running a foodbank? Our local foodbank in Tain got an invoice of more than £1000 from them via Blytheswood who act as their local "tax" collectors. Our little foodbank had to put out an appeal to pay the Trussell Trust invoice so sorry but for me they are a shower of two faced barstewards lecturing the government on one hand and bleeding little local foodbanks dry on the other hand.

This does surprise me - I ve always been highly sceptical of the third sector tho

My understanding is that the Trussell Trust ask for a contribution towards the costs of the services they provide to foodbanks of £1500 in the first year and £360 each subsequent year. So this isn't a charge in return for "the privilege of running a foodbank". It is a contribution towards the costs of the training, operating manual, support , website template and so on that they provide.

DecrepiterJohnL

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

JBriskinindyref2

SandyRentool said:

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

We got a leaflet along with our canvasser-

"Supporting the Environment
Labour will use the skills and expertise of North Sea oil workers to help deliver a zero-carbon economy."

I'm not happy about voting Labour. The worst thing is I don't think it's going to work. But you've got to try to keep evil nationalists out of parliament anyway you can.

That is a sensible policy. Repurposing redundant oil and gas infrastructure for CO2 storage reduces the cost significantly. And the skills required are transferable.

It's a nice sentence - who could possible disagree. Can't see the windfall tax on Oil Companies going down too well up here though.

BigRich

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

use Pineapple!!!!!!!

(now running to take cover)

RobD

Banterman said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Its channel 4. After their news boss accused Boris of being a liar, they all refuse, quite rightly, to appear on it.

What did Channel 4 expect?

I wonder if it was going to be chaired by Jon "Fuck the Tories" Snow?

TheScreamingEagles

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Brave Sir Boris ran away.

RobD

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

DecrepiterJohnL

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

Yes, and now he is ducking them.

Big_G_NorthWales

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

And he is doing the BBC one on the 6th December

BigRich

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Is that the one that was going to have all 7 party leaders in?

Boris pulling out brings back memory's of T May, does not sound sensible to me, but having done one debate, maybe he will get away with it.

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Brave Sir Boris ran away.

I should think viewers will run away. Who is going to want to watch endless repeats of Tuesday?

SandyRentool

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

There is only one vote to guarantee Corbyn is beaten and that is conservative

That's not quite what I was trying to achieve!

I know

I know you know

For those not aware, I voted tactically for the LibDems, who then finished third behind Labour.

isam

BigRich said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Is that the one that was going to have all 7 party leaders in?

Boris pulling out brings back memory's of T May, does not sound sensible to me, but having done one debate, maybe he will get away with it.

The all 7 leaders thing was only a thing in the first place because Cameron didn't want Farage to be in a debate with him, EdM and Clegg. Now that there is no need to wriggle out of that situation, there is no need at all for Boris (or Jezza for that matter) to have to give an equal billing to the minnows

RobD

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

Yes, and now he is ducking them.

Well you didn’t expect them to do all seven, did you?

Big_G_NorthWales

BigRich said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Is that the one that was going to have all 7 party leaders in?

Boris pulling out brings back memory's of T May, does not sound sensible to me, but having done one debate, maybe he will get away with it.

And a second on the 6th December which is 2 weeks tomorrow

DecrepiterJohnL

Boris ducking debates -- strangely enough after Labour launched its manifesto which as we know from the previous thread and the fake web site, will consign every Briton to penury. You'd have thought that would give Boris enough material.

Unless the Conservative manifesto really does include sending small boys up chimneys.

BannedinnParis

RobD said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

That one never made it on to the list here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

I'd be very surprised if Boris and Corbyn appeared in six more debates.

I almost sobbed when I saw how many debates were planned

OnlyLivingBoy

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

1. Why are you cooking the base before you put the topping on?
2. Why are you making a pizza when you have no mozzarella? In its absence you should use cheddar. If you load it up with parmesan it will be way too salty.
3. Put pineapple on if you want. Sweetcorn is the one true abomination on a pizza.

Scrapheap_as_was

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Especially as Channel 4 news is famed for their neutral approach.....

nico67

Did anyone see the Truss car crash on Politics Live.

The Tories promised 200,000 starter homes in 2015. They managed to build a big fat zero !

Morris_Dancer

Always good to have an excuse to post this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rE03PGQfA

Big_G_NorthWales

nico67 said:

Did anyone see the Truss car crash on Politics Live.

The Tories promised 200,000 starter homes in 2015. They managed to build a big fat zero !

They have built a record number of homes this year

Benpointer

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

The should have asked Jo and empty-chaired Boris

Arthur

NorthCadboll said:

I saw someone mention the Trussell Trust on the last thread. Did you all know that they invoice all the little local foodbanks up and down the country vast amounts just for the privilege of running a foodbank? Our local foodbank in Tain got an invoice of more than £1000 from them via Blytheswood who act as their local "tax" collectors. Our little foodbank had to put out an appeal to pay the Trussell Trust invoice so sorry but for me they are a shower of two faced barstewards lecturing the government on one hand and bleeding little local foodbanks dry on the other hand.

Interesting. I wouldn't touch Blythswood with a bargepole, but I hadn't heard anything negative about the Trussell Trust before now. What service was the invoice for?

Nigelb

JBriskinindyref2 said:

SandyRentool said:

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Floater said:

How WERE Labour doing in Scotland before today....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/21/jeremy-corbyn-accused-putting-120000-scottish-jobs-risk-oil/

We got a leaflet along with our canvasser-

"Supporting the Environment
Labour will use the skills and expertise of North Sea oil workers to help deliver a zero-carbon economy."

I'm not happy about voting Labour. The worst thing is I don't think it's going to work. But you've got to try to keep evil nationalists out of parliament anyway you can.

That is a sensible policy. Repurposing redundant oil and gas infrastructure for CO2 storage reduces the cost significantly. And the skills required are transferable.

It's a nice sentence - who could possible disagree. Can't see the windfall tax on Oil Companies going down too well up here though.

I, for one. CCS is a waste of time and money.
And in itself require significant energy inputs.

The resources required for developing the technology would be far better deployed in developing means of energy storage.

Is Corbyn dreaming of coal mines and coal fired power stations ?

Drutt

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

Yes, and now he is ducking them.

Oh what a shame. I was looking forward to many more totally crap debates like Tuesday's.

Stark_Dawning

Boris is absolutely right to duck out of that debate. He was unable to land any lethal blows on Jezza during the first, and Jezza had gathered some momentum after not being as crap as envisaged. Glory awaits Boris, but he needs to keep his head down and count the days in the interim.

RobD

Morris_Dancer said:

Always good to have an excuse to post this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-rE03PGQfA

You are saying I should stop saying you are saying?

Benpointer

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SandyRentool said:

AlastairMeeks said:

First you have to work out who to tactically vote for.

Too right. I totally bolloxed that up in 2010.

There is only one vote to guarantee Corbyn is beaten and that is conservative

That's not quite what I was trying to achieve!

I know

I know you know

For those not aware, I voted tactically for the LibDems, who then finished third behind Labour.

I did the same!

Morris_Dancer

Mr. D, millions died fighting the lobsters.

Big_G_NorthWales

Drutt said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

Yes, and now he is ducking them.

Oh what a shame. I was looking forward to many more totally crap debates like Tuesday's.

Maybe Boris is saving the nation from the pointlessness of endless TV debates driving everyone bananas

RobD

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. D, millions died fighting the lobsters.

Haven't we always been at war with the lobster?

Cookie

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1197564455468580864

Look at the lowest end of the 10% of income earners. What a change between 1977 and 1987

VAT?

Sandpit

Drutt said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

RobD said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

As predicted, Boris is ducking debates.

Didn't he just do one?

Yes, and now he is ducking them.

Oh what a shame. I was looking forward to many more totally crap debates like Tuesday's.

Sadly it’s not in the interest of the politicians nor the media to have a sober and sensible three-hour debate, where the candidates can actually debate each other at length and on a range of subjects, without constant interruption from a presenter or the audience. Even though it would be of interest to the public.

Casino_Royale

Richard_Nabavi said:

Floater said:

I had thought this was just a mad idea by one of the Loony team surrounding Corbyn but no...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7711287/Jeremy-Corbyn-pledges-formal-inquiry-Britains-colonial-legacy.html

According to Dan Sabbargh of the Guardan, it's Labour's 'flagship foreign policy pledge'.

Utterly stark raving bonkers. There are many very serious foreign policy issues, and Corbyn's priority is things which happened 100 to 200 years ago (and those misrepresented).

I wonder how many positive legacies of colonial rule such an enquiry would find?

rkrkrk

OnlyLivingBoy said:

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

1. Why are you cooking the base before you put the topping on?
2. Why are you making a pizza when you have no mozzarella? In its absence you should use cheddar. If you load it up with parmesan it will be way too salty.
3. Put pineapple on if you want. Sweetcorn is the one true abomination on a pizza.

1. hmm, maybe i should have asked advice before starting. Internet recipe recommended this.
2. Have gone with cheddar
3. Like pineapple, but don't have any.

NorthernPowerhouse

NorthCadboll said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

Don't misunderstand me, I am well aware of the levels of poverty in our very rich country, especially among those euphemistically called the "working poor". That is why I know what happens in our local foodbank. My local Rotary club has just helped buy a much needed heater for our local foodbank. We will also be making up our annual Christmas hampers next week which are distributed on our behalf by the Christian charity which operates the foodbank. We are doing a bag pack in Tesco on Saturday to raise money for the hampers and our other local projects.

The level of poverty across the UK is an indictment on ALL governments, Tory, Coalition and Labour at Westminster, Labour and SNP at Holyrood and Cardiff and the Rainbow coalition in Belfast. That is also why even though I am a right wing Tory I believe building good quality social housing should be the top priority of all our governments.

Sorry for the long url, but it very clearly shows a negative correlation to food poverty and food bank usage:
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?query=BOOKMARK_DS-056350_QID_418A3FF_UID_-3F171EB0&amp;layout=TIME,C,X,0;GEO,L,Y,0;HHTYP,L,Z,0;INCGRP,L,Z,1;UNIT,L,Z,2;INDICATORS,C,Z,3;&amp;zSelection=DS-056350INCGRP,TOTAL;DS-056350UNIT,PC;DS-056350INDICATORS,OBS_FLAG;DS-056350HHTYP,TOTAL;&amp;rankName1=HHTYP_1_2_-1_2&amp;rankName2=UNIT_1_2_-1_2&amp;rankName3=INDICATORS_1_2_-1_2&amp;rankName4=INCGRP_1_2_-1_2&amp;rankName5=TIME_1_0_0_0&amp;rankName6=GEO_1_2_0_1&amp;sortC=ASC_-1_FIRST&amp;rStp=&amp;cStp=&amp;rDCh=&amp;cDCh=&amp;rDM=true&amp;cDM=true&amp;footnes=false&amp;empty=false&amp;wai=false&amp;time_mode=NONE&amp;time_most_recent=false&amp;lang=EN&amp;cfo=###,###.###

rkrkrk

nico67 said:

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

Parmesan ! Cheddar is far too strong , and if you have a good base sauce then you should be fine . Good luck !

Should have read down, missed this.

Casino_Royale

NorthCadboll said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

Don't misunderstand me, I am well aware of the levels of poverty in our very rich country, especially among those euphemistically called the "working poor". That is why I know what happens in our local foodbank. My local Rotary club has just helped buy a much needed heater for our local foodbank. We will also be making up our annual Christmas hampers next week which are distributed on our behalf by the Christian charity which operates the foodbank. We are doing a bag pack in Tesco on Saturday to raise money for the hampers and our other local projects.

The level of poverty across the UK is an indictment on ALL governments, Tory, Coalition and Labour at Westminster, Labour and SNP at Holyrood and Cardiff and the Rainbow coalition in Belfast. That is also why even though I am a right wing Tory I believe building good quality social housing should be the top priority of all our governments.

Tory policy is basically than you can now earn £1,000 a month without paying and tax or NI on it and your employer has to give you a small private pension too.

I think that’s pretty good. £1,000 should be enough for a basic lifestyle (way, way better than benefits) the big other expenses being rent, council tax, transport to/from work and childcare.

ozymandias

Cookie said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/DuncanWeldon/status/1197564455468580864

Look at the lowest end of the 10% of income earners. What a change between 1977 and 1987

VAT?

Eevul Fatcha?

DecrepiterJohnL

rkrkrk said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

1. Why are you cooking the base before you put the topping on?
2. Why are you making a pizza when you have no mozzarella? In its absence you should use cheddar. If you load it up with parmesan it will be way too salty.
3. Put pineapple on if you want. Sweetcorn is the one true abomination on a pizza.

1. hmm, maybe i should have asked advice before starting. Internet recipe recommended this.
2. Have gone with cheddar
3. Like pineapple, but don't have any.

Phone pizza place and order pizza. While you wait for it to be delivered, you can watch Youtube videos about making pizzas. I'm guessing if you had a proper pizza oven, you'd also have the right cheese.

OnlyLivingBoy

rkrkrk said:

nico67 said:

rkrkrk said:

So, oh wise crowds of the internet, help me with this.

I am making a pizza for the first time. My tomato anchovy sauce is ready. My dough us rolled, kneaded and cooking.

But in the absence of mozzarella, should I be using parmesan or cheddar? What say you?

Parmesan ! Cheddar is far too strong , and if you have a good base sauce then you should be fine . Good luck !

Should have read down, missed this.

On what planet is cheddar a stronger cheese than parmesan? You made a wise choice, on the cheese front at least.

Casino_Royale

Banterman said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Its channel 4. After their news boss accused Boris of being a liar, they all refuse, quite rightly, to appear on it.

What did Channel 4 expect?

There’s nothing to be gained by Boris on Channel 4, but plenty of risk.

Casino_Royale

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeL said:

Channel 4 Leaders debate cancelled.

Corbyn said Yes, Boris said No.

Boris closing down risk - sensible move.

Brave Sir Boris ran away.

I should think viewers will run away. Who is going to want to watch endless repeats of Tuesday?

I suspect the BBC on 6th December will be the clincher and/or the QT special.

I’m not holding my breath that Boris will blow anyone’s socks off there.

JBriskinindyref2

Casino_Royale said:

NorthCadboll said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

Don't misunderstand me, I am well aware of the levels of poverty in our very rich country, especially among those euphemistically called the "working poor". That is why I know what happens in our local foodbank. My local Rotary club has just helped buy a much needed heater for our local foodbank. We will also be making up our annual Christmas hampers next week which are distributed on our behalf by the Christian charity which operates the foodbank. We are doing a bag pack in Tesco on Saturday to raise money for the hampers and our other local projects.

The level of poverty across the UK is an indictment on ALL governments, Tory, Coalition and Labour at Westminster, Labour and SNP at Holyrood and Cardiff and the Rainbow coalition in Belfast. That is also why even though I am a right wing Tory I believe building good quality social housing should be the top priority of all our governments.

Tory policy is basically than you can now earn £1,000 a month without paying and tax or NI on it and your employer has to give you a small private pension too.

I think that’s pretty good. £1,000 should be enough for a basic lifestyle (way, way better than benefits) the big other expenses being rent, council tax, transport to/from work and childcare.

Superdry!

BannedinnParis

Can someone explain to me how a 4 day week policy aligns with:

‘Introducing a legal right to collective consultation on the implementation of new technology in workplaces.’

NorthernPowerhouse

nico67 said:

Did anyone see the Truss car crash on Politics Live.

The Tories promised 200,000 starter homes in 2015. They managed to build a big fat zero !

Might point out however that last year more housing association properties and more council houses were built than under any year of the last labour government.

Casino_Royale

JBriskinindyref2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

NorthCadboll said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

From previous thread, a lot of willful blindness on the UK's hunger crisis, much of which can be attributed to the introduction of UC.
This document from the House of Commons has a lot of useful and sobering information:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvaud/1491/149105.htm

See in particular Figure 5 that shows that a higher % of children live in food insecure households in the UK than in any other EU country. Also paras 33-37 on the impact of UC.

Don't misunderstand me, I am well aware of the levels of poverty in our very rich country, especially among those euphemistically called the "working poor". That is why I know what happens in our local foodbank. My local Rotary club has just helped buy a much needed heater for our local foodbank. We will also be making up our annual Christmas hampers next week which are distributed on our behalf by the Christian charity which operates the foodbank. We are doing a bag pack in Tesco on Saturday to raise money for the hampers and our other local projects.

The level of poverty across the UK is an indictment on ALL governments, Tory, Coalition and Labour at Westminster, Labour and SNP at Holyrood and Cardiff and the Rainbow coalition in Belfast. That is also why even though I am a right wing Tory I believe building good quality social housing should be the top priority of all our governments.

Tory policy is basically than you can now earn £1,000 a month without paying and tax or NI on it and your employer has to give you a small private pension too.

I think that’s pretty good. £1,000 should be enough for a basic lifestyle (way, way better than benefits) the big other expenses being rent, council tax, transport to/from work and childcare.

Superdry!

I think the Tories could do more on council tax and childcare.

Why not go further and look at VAT rebates for those on benefits on essential products?

ozymandias

BannedinnParis said:

Can someone explain to me how a 4 day week policy aligns with:

‘Introducing a legal right to collective consultation on the implementation of new technology in workplaces.’

What new wheely bin of misery is this?

RobD

ozymandias said:

BannedinnParis said:

Can someone explain to me how a 4 day week policy aligns with:

‘Introducing a legal right to collective consultation on the implementation of new technology in workplaces.’

What new wheely bin of misery is this?

They want to avoid a repeat of the job losses incurred by industrialisation?