The type of person who many working class people have been a victim of.
I suspect many working class people (particularly women) have been the victims of many bossy/bullying working class men.
I guess the one thing the so-called "working-class" can say of prep-school and grammar school educated Mr. Corbyn is he definitely ain't one of them!
Although the YG poll showed him having a huge lead over Johnosn on being in touch.
To make a non-partisan point on this - it's futile and deceptive to try to appear similar to every voter - you simply can't be simultaneously a war veteran and a single mum and a recent immigrant and a farmer and... Nor do people expect it. What they like is for you to be yourself in not too alien a fashion, and to be obviously capable of understanding and empathising with people who are very different. I quite liked both Heath and Brown, but they are good examples of how not to do it. Ken Clarke is a good example of a Tory (when they're not throwing him out) who people feel is not necessarily at all like them but is perfectly capable of thinking what it's like to be someone else.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
I had my own at uni in the 70s (when I made the mistake of doing a year of chemistry before changing course). You had to if you wore specs, because the safety specs were to your prescription.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Never touch the stuff. Tea all the way.
Can't stand either. Urrrgh.
Away from politicking for the day. On the way into London for a business meeting with one of the special effects houses that did Guardians of the Galaxy, about my film trilogy. They have likened it in tone to Back to the Future. I'll take that!
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
I had my own at uni in the 70s (when I made the mistake of doing a year of chemistry before changing course). You had to if you wore specs, because the safety specs were to your prescription.
Up until Uni I was still forcing safety specs over my actual glasses and hoping nothing came through the gap. See also the present day when I use an angle grinder. Maybe I should do something about that....
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
To be honest this is not a subject I’m strong on. We use safety goggles in Physics about once a term, usually if there is a wire or string which is under tension and might snap. Chemistry use them most lessons. Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
To be honest this is not a subject I’m strong on. We use safety goggles in Physics about once a term, usually if there is a wire or string which is under tension and might snap. Chemistry use them most lessons. Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
This is why I’m not cut out for teaching. “They’ll only do it once and then they’ll learn” is presumably not OFSTED approved?
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
I had my own at uni in the 70s (when I made the mistake of doing a year of chemistry before changing course). You had to if you wore specs, because the safety specs were to your prescription.
Up until Uni I was still forcing safety specs over my actual glasses and hoping nothing came through the gap. See also the present day when I use an angle grinder. Maybe I should do something about that....
Safety goggles should have enough space under them for glasses. Safety glasses not so much.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Never touch the stuff. Tea all the way.
Can't stand either. Urrrgh.
Away from politicking for the day. On the way into London for a business meeting with one of the special effects houses that did Guardians of the Galaxy, about my film trilogy. They have likened it in tone to Back to the Future. I'll take that!
Good luck! Hopefully your trilogy won't suffer the same catastrophic drop off in quality after the first installment as the BTTF films. Also avoid the creepy incest vibe.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
To be honest this is not a subject I’m strong on. We use safety goggles in Physics about once a term, usually if there is a wire or string which is under tension and might snap. Chemistry use them most lessons. Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
This is why I’m not cut out for teaching. “They’ll only do it once and then they’ll learn” is presumably not OFSTED approved?
Depends on what “it” is: forgetting to put in units and so getting zero marks? Fine. Losing an eye? LOTS of paperwork...
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
Indeed, didn't get my own until PhD and that had some geochemistry bits. I do remember, doing physics at uni and the uni communications team came round and asked us all to put goggles and white coats on for a prospectus pic. We were using an acoustic telescope, highly unhazardous but looked sufficiently 'sciency' for the pic, particularly with the additional props!
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Probably the safety specs are their own (and possibly even prescription - mine were many years ago) whilst the goggles are generic and kept as spares for visitors.
I think @DecrepiterJohnL needs some of those prescription safety specs. That's a pipette, not a splint.
A pipette, you say (trivia: Americans say pipe-ett whereas we pronounce it correctly. Important to know after last night's debate Epsteen/stine rumpus).
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
The type of person who many working class people have been a victim of.
Maggie was the ultimate in bossy middle-class woman, and she didn't do too badly with that demographic.
Not the ultimate. That honour belongs to Flick Drummond, the former Portsmouth Conservative MP and now PPC for Meon Valley. As anyone will tell you who lived in Winchester in the 90s (where Drummond held court), the Queen avoided the area because she did not want to have to curtsey to Drummond.
She sounds formidable. I see she's also a Remainer, so with her in the next parliament at least those bloody ERG Tories, who'll be smashing everything up with abandon, may not get it all their own way.
I see that the dead cat strategy on Twitter worked. Who remembers that bloody debate last night.
I think the world moves so quickly now that hardly any set-piece event stays relevant for long. It's all about theme and narrative and targeting swing voters. The narrative didn't change last night so the Tories will be relatively happy. In terms of big themes, the 'Get Brexit Done' and 'Labour NHS' stuff are probably the only things that stick. And on swing voters, God knows what malevolent dark arts are at work, cunningly targeting people online.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
Indeed, didn't get my own until PhD and that had some geochemistry bits. I do remember, doing physics at uni and the uni communications team came round and asked us all to put goggles and white coats on for a prospectus pic. We were using an acoustic telescope, highly unhazardous but looked sufficiently 'sciency' for the pic, particularly with the additional props!
Biology and Chemistry use white coats. We don’t bother...
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Never touch the stuff. Tea all the way.
Can't stand either. Urrrgh.
Away from politicking for the day. On the way into London for a business meeting with one of the special effects houses that did Guardians of the Galaxy, about my film trilogy. They have likened it in tone to Back to the Future. I'll take that!
Good luck! Hopefully your trilogy won't suffer the same catastrophic drop off in quality after the first installment as the BTTF films. Also avoid the creepy incest vibe.
BTTF part 2 was not the greatest but part 3 was fantastic. No drop in quality there.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I think this trend has been going on for a long time certainly since the early 90's. The centere-left slant seems particularly noticeable in people with a postgraduate degree. Lefties would say the cause is 8+ years of being a "poor sudent" for doctorates that makes them empathise with providing good services for all. The Righties would say the cause is 8+ years of being indoctrinated by the left wing lecturers.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
To be honest this is not a subject I’m strong on. We use safety goggles in Physics about once a term, usually if there is a wire or string which is under tension and might snap. Chemistry use them most lessons. Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
Wires and strings that might snap? Did you ever cover music lessons?
I see that the dead cat strategy on Twitter worked. Who remembers that bloody debate last night.
Surprisingly it's the only thing I've overheard in the office this morning about the debate (among a group of people who all signed the Revoke petition).
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Safety goggle wise, the students probably have their own while Swinson looks like she has been given one of the cheap spares.
“Their own”? Times have changed since I was at school, or even since I read physics at Uni.
To be honest this is not a subject I’m strong on. We use safety goggles in Physics about once a term, usually if there is a wire or string which is under tension and might snap. Chemistry use them most lessons. Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
Wires and strings that might snap? Did you ever cover music lessons?
I could make myself really unpopular with the music department couldn’t I?
I think @DecrepiterJohnL needs some of those prescription safety specs. That's a pipette, not a splint.
A pipette, you say (trivia: Americans say pipe-ett whereas we pronounce it correctly. Important to know after last night's debate Epsteen/stine rumpus).
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
When I did chemistry that was called a teat-pipette, used to add a small but unmeasures amount of liquid. A pipette is much longer and is used to deliver an exact pre-defined amount of liquid.
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
I enjoyed the debate. Corbyn came over as thoughtful, trustworthy, decent. Johnson came over as the opposite of that, but more charismatic and "can do".
And there you have it. What sort of person does one want for PM? I suspect amongst the undecideds - the main target audience - Corbyn will have shaded it. I understand that is what the early data is saying.
But a game-changer? Clearly not.
Next time I think Corbyn should go personal. It's a risk, doing this, but given his opponent there is much scope there and I sense it might pay off. Behind in the polls, so go for it, would be my advice to him.
Here's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab on BBC Breakfast this morning.
Responding to criticism over the Conservative Party rebranding one of its Twitter accounts to "factcheckUK", he said: "No-one gives a toss about social media cut and thrust."
Certainly I would doubt any of the Tories target voters do.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
On topic: The debate may not have changed the betting markets but it changed my Ladbrokes balance by £73 in the right direction..
'Green industrial revolution' Won at 4.0 'Marxist' Lost at 2.0 'Chlorinated chicken' Lost at 4.0 'Zero hours contracts' Won at 3.0 Treble of 'Scotland', 'Wales' and 'Get Brexit done' Won at 1.76 for the treble.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Never touch the stuff. Tea all the way.
Can't stand either. Urrrgh.
Away from politicking for the day. On the way into London for a business meeting with one of the special effects houses that did Guardians of the Galaxy, about my film trilogy. They have likened it in tone to Back to the Future. I'll take that!
Good luck! Hopefully your trilogy won't suffer the same catastrophic drop off in quality after the first installment as the BTTF films. Also avoid the creepy incest vibe.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
Yes that’s a fair point. The messaging, not necessarily the core philosophy. On that basis it would be interesting to see polling of the group on policies, divorced from the policy maker. Though I suppose you’d struggle to get a good control sample because the group would be engaged in the public debate. Hmm.
It looks like Jo Swinson is doing the lighted splint in oxygen or hydrogen experiment, and thus setting out to save the planet. More importantly, why do the two girls at the front have differently-patterned ties?
The different ties may mean different houses, years or prefectorial status.
Why does only Swinson get the oversized full goggles, rather than safety specs the others have?
Also, Davey(?) and the other guy having a cavaliar attitude to safety, or the woman in the back row being over-careful wearing eye protection?
Probably the safety specs are their own (and possibly even prescription - mine were many years ago) whilst the goggles are generic and kept as spares for visitors.
I think @DecrepiterJohnL needs some of those prescription safety specs. That's a pipette, not a splint.
A pipette, you say (trivia: Americans say pipe-ett whereas we pronounce it correctly. Important to know after last night's debate Epsteen/stine rumpus).
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
On reflection I'd say we pronounce it rather Frenchly. French word pipe, meaning pipe in English, is pronounced pip.
And pipe-ette for a small pipe does make more sense than, say, aluminum for aluminium.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
Alternative explanation: educational institutions tend to be staffed by people whise views range from the left wing to the extreme left wing. The more time an individual spends in such an institution, the more chance of these views rubbing off on them.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Which reminds me of my favourite anarchist joke!
And not Christmas yet, so no mention of Kipper Tie.....
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
Alternative explanation: educational institutions tend to be staffed by people whise views range from the left wing to the extreme left wing. The more time an individual spends in such an institution, the more chance of these views rubbing off on them.
Nah.
The right wing dumbing down its appeal, the decline of organised trade unionism, and the growing social liberalism led by the educated, are more convincing explanations, together with the cross-correlation between education and age
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
Alternative explanation: educational institutions tend to be staffed by people whise views range from the left wing to the extreme left wing. The more time an individual spends in such an institution, the more chance of these views rubbing off on them.
Nah.
The right wing dumbing down its appeal, the decline of organised trade unionism, and the growing social liberalism led by the educated, are more convincing explanations, together with the cross-correlation between education and age
Yes, much more convincing an argument. I really doubt that a single student has changed their political views based on indoctrination by some kind of History Man style sociology lecturer.
I think @DecrepiterJohnL needs some of those prescription safety specs. That's a pipette, not a splint.
A pipette, you say (trivia: Americans say pipe-ett whereas we pronounce it correctly. Important to know after last night's debate Epsteen/stine rumpus).
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
When I did chemistry that was called a teat-pipette, used to add a small but unmeasures amount of liquid. A pipette is much longer and is used to deliver an exact pre-defined amount of liquid.
aka a Pasteur pipette (which may be why we pronounce it Frenchly?)
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
Indeed, the whole point of the exercise was to get Corbynite Twitter talking about it, rather than about the debate itself. On that measure they succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
Indeed, the whole point of the exercise was to get Corbynite Twitter talking about it, rather than about the debate itself. On that measure they succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
Nearly time for my daily deluge of Lib Dem propaganda through the letter box....
Blimey, which seat are you in. I've received a grand total of "Sorry we missed you" (Obviously canvassing) from the Tories and a fake newspaper "The Brexiteer" which was sent out before the campaign proper. Still nowt from Labour.
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
Indeed, the whole point of the exercise was to get Corbynite Twitter talking about it, rather than about the debate itself. On that measure they succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
I think @DecrepiterJohnL needs some of those prescription safety specs. That's a pipette, not a splint.
A pipette, you say (trivia: Americans say pipe-ett whereas we pronounce it correctly. Important to know after last night's debate Epsteen/stine rumpus).
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
When I did chemistry that was called a teat-pipette, used to add a small but unmeasures amount of liquid. A pipette is much longer and is used to deliver an exact pre-defined amount of liquid.
^^^
correct
and I'm currently checking if someone has contaminated my (expensive) eppendorf pipettes >:(
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
Indeed, the whole point of the exercise was to get Corbynite Twitter talking about it, rather than about the debate itself. On that measure they succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
I noticed that trend starting a few years ago. Education does seem to be a divider (the more the leftier) but unless you're super-rich or desperately poor, there is now very little class difference in voting.
I’ve often wondered why. It would be interesting to see the split by types of education (humanities vs. science) or by other differentiating features.
Yes, I saw a study on that a while back which showed little difference by subject but that could have changed. It might be true to say that people who study a lot tend to vote more on intellectual persuasion than gut instinct, and modern right-wing politicians tend to go more for gut appeal. I absolutely get why Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage have lots of fans, but also why the average university professor might be resistant to their charms.
Alternative explanation: educational institutions tend to be staffed by people whise views range from the left wing to the extreme left wing. The more time an individual spends in such an institution, the more chance of these views rubbing off on them.
Nah.
The right wing dumbing down its appeal, the decline of organised trade unionism, and the growing social liberalism led by the educated, are more convincing explanations, together with the cross-correlation between education and age
Yes, much more convincing an argument. I really doubt that a single student has changed their political views based on indoctrination by some kind of History Man style sociology lecturer.
There's a certain mutual reinforcement of perceptions going on here, too.
Academia has in fact become broadly less revolutionary and radical since the 1990s, although campus environments are often arguably also more amenable to exclusively identity-based politics, too, and vastly expanded in gender and ethnicity.
Meanwhile the earlier poster is correct that the right has explicitly dumbed down its appeal, and appealed much more frequently to anti-intellectualism since the 1990s too, so that each educational target group, in terms of cultural identifiers, feels more reason to be separated.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Which reminds me of my favourite anarchist joke!
Which is?
And Good Morning everyone!
Theft
Is it not just a picture captioned "anarchy in the UK" and someone asking if another person wants tea, and that person says "No":
I just don't get the whole Tory kiwi shit post mob controlling their social media. They don't have a candidate like Andrew Yang who they are trying to blow up with the yuff on reddit. The Tory strategy is all about getting middle age and oldie Leave voters to the polls on mass, who won't even be on the tw@tter machine.
Yes Tories are never going to win on the Twitter-sphere so should they just disengage entirely or should they instead distract their opponents and get them obsessing of trivialities?
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
Indeed, the whole point of the exercise was to get Corbynite Twitter talking about it, rather than about the debate itself. On that measure they succeeded beyond their wildest expectations.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
Cammo will only ever be remembered for one thing.
The pig?
I was waiting expecting someone to say that.
Although as it hasn't been implemented yet your prejudgement seems a tad harsh
Nearly time for my daily deluge of Lib Dem propaganda through the letter box....
Blimey, which seat are you in. I've received a grand total of "Sorry we missed you" (Obviously canvassing) from the Tories and a fake newspaper "The Brexiteer" which was sent out before the campaign proper. Still nowt from Labour.
Are people getting anything? So far I've had:
SCon - 1 leaflet full of pictures of Nicola Sturgeon SNP - 2 leaflets LD - nowt SLab - nowt
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Which reminds me of my favourite anarchist joke!
Which is?
And Good Morning everyone!
Theft
Is it not just a picture captioned "anarchy in the UK" and someone asking if another person wants tea, and that person says "No":
Recent polls show that we now have more remainers than leavers in Britain. This must have an effect upon final polling numbers.
I wonder if voters will realise that they have only got the stark choice between Tory leave and Labour remain at this election. All other votes are side issues.
Last night's debate indicated that Johnson is flawed and that Corbyn is also flawed but that one of them is more sincere.The voters will decide which of them is more credible.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Though I do remember reading that coffee now outsold tea in Britain - possibly by price or weight or some other non-intuitive measure. Certainly coffee shops vastly outnumber teashops now, which is odd if people prefer tea at home.
A mug of tea and a bacon bap would be more of a vote winner.
Its 2019 does anyone still drink that tepid brown water abomination they call tea?
My generation and those that the LDs are targetting are far more likely to drink coffee.
Nah, tea is still hugely popular. And rightly so. Far more refreshing than the brown sludge served in any coffee chain.
I much prefer tea to coffee when I have control of the production process, but paying someone to make tea for you is increasingly risky.
Only me can make tea as I like it. A single estate darjeeling brewed for exactly four minutes in a cup that has been WARMED before the water is put in. No milk of course
Sounds great. I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Which reminds me of my favourite anarchist joke!
Which is?
And Good Morning everyone!
Theft
Is it not just a picture captioned "anarchy in the UK" and someone asking if another person wants tea, and that person says "No":
Recent polls show that we now have more remainers than leavers in Britain. This must have an effect upon final polling numbers.
I wonder if voters will realise that they have only got the stark choice between Tory leave and Labour remain at this election. All other votes are side issues.
Last night's debate indicated that Johnson is flawed and that Corbyn is also flawed but that one of them is more sincere.The voters will decide which of them is more credible.
Very interesting that Kellner says the undecideds preferred Corbyn yesterday.
Do we have any idea of viewing figures from last nights debates?
6.7 million
That more than I would have expected, given last time I think it was down to 4.x million.
4.7m, and that was for the more popular BBC one. The opening debate in 2017 was again on ITV and only got 3.5m, though in fairness both May and Corbyn skipped it.
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To make a non-partisan point on this - it's futile and deceptive to try to appear similar to every voter - you simply can't be simultaneously a war veteran and a single mum and a recent immigrant and a farmer and... Nor do people expect it. What they like is for you to be yourself in not too alien a fashion, and to be obviously capable of understanding and empathising with people who are very different. I quite liked both Heath and Brown, but they are good examples of how not to do it. Ken Clarke is a good example of a Tory (when they're not throwing him out) who people feel is not necessarily at all like them but is perfectly capable of thinking what it's like to be someone else.
That alone should put her on the SNP hitlist....
So is coffee, orange juice, apple juisce, wate, orange squash, beer, wine, whisky, whiskey, gin and tonic, ....
About the only thing thing sold as a drink, which is pushes the definition of a proper drink is Sunny Delight.
Away from politicking for the day. On the way into London for a business meeting with one of the special effects houses that did Guardians of the Galaxy, about my film trilogy. They have likened it in tone to Back to the Future. I'll take that!
Reminding pupils that the goggles are there to protect their eyes and not their hair is the most common thing I say in such lessons.
Notice the safety precautions again. Presumably they are wearing safety specs in case the liquid jumps out of the test tube when Jo Swinson adds her ingredient.
So why is the mouth of the test tube aimed straight at the girl on the left, and if the reaction might be violent enough to expel liquid or, worse, break the glass, why is the girl holding it in her bare hand?
https://twitter.com/tombarton/status/1197109135109738496
Will ring out loud on Tuesday night I predict.
And there you have it. What sort of person does one want for PM? I suspect amongst the undecideds - the main target audience - Corbyn will have shaded it. I understand that is what the early data is saying.
But a game-changer? Clearly not.
Next time I think Corbyn should go personal. It's a risk, doing this, but given his opponent there is much scope there and I sense it might pay off. Behind in the polls, so go for it, would be my advice to him.
Responding to criticism over the Conservative Party rebranding one of its Twitter accounts to "factcheckUK", he said: "No-one gives a toss about social media cut and thrust."
Certainly I would doubt any of the Tories target voters do.
I'm sure though many English would dispute that this is "proper tea".
Which reminds me of my favourite anarchist joke!
'Green industrial revolution' Won at 4.0
'Marxist' Lost at 2.0
'Chlorinated chicken' Lost at 4.0
'Zero hours contracts' Won at 3.0
Treble of 'Scotland', 'Wales' and 'Get Brexit done' Won at 1.76 for the treble.
And pipe-ette for a small pipe does make more sense than, say, aluminum for aluminium.
And Good Morning everyone!
The right wing dumbing down its appeal, the decline of organised trade unionism, and the growing social liberalism led by the educated, are more convincing explanations, together with the cross-correlation between education and age
I think it's amusing more anything and just re-affirms to the wider general public what a terrible echo-chamber journalists and politicos operate in.
No-one who works more than a mile from SW1 gives a sh!t about it though.
"Too many Tweets might make a twat" and "Twitter is not Britain" - two of the quotes for which David Cameron will be best remembered.
Still nowt from Labour.
correct
and I'm currently checking if someone has contaminated my (expensive) eppendorf pipettes >:(
Academia has in fact become broadly less revolutionary and radical since the 1990s, although campus environments are often arguably also more amenable to exclusively identity-based politics, too, and vastly expanded in gender and ethnicity.
Meanwhile the earlier poster is correct that the right has explicitly dumbed down its appeal, and appealed much more frequently to anti-intellectualism since the 1990s too, so that each educational target group, in terms of cultural identifiers, feels more reason to be separated.
https://starecat.com/would-you-like-some-tea-no-anarchy-in-the-uk/
Although as it hasn't been implemented yet your prejudgement seems a tad harsh
https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1197092407172648960
SCon - 1 leaflet full of pictures of Nicola Sturgeon
SNP - 2 leaflets
LD - nowt
SLab - nowt
Coat at the ready....
I wonder if voters will realise that they have only got the stark choice between Tory leave and Labour remain at this election. All other votes are side issues.
Last night's debate indicated that Johnson is flawed and that Corbyn is also flawed but that one of them is more sincere.The voters will decide which of them is more credible.
https://www.indy100.com/article/tea-or-coffee-a-map-of-the-world-according-to-who-prefers-which-of-each-drink--Wkg7X39yAfZ
Though I do remember reading that coffee now outsold tea in Britain - possibly by price or weight or some other non-intuitive measure. Certainly coffee shops vastly outnumber teashops now, which is odd if people prefer tea at home.
Nothing on our local Con Club which is making determined efforts to be non-political, Even invited me to join!
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/bbc-debate-britains-got-talent-ratings-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-a7766471.html