How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
The DUP are completely correct from their perspective. I'm astonished that the Scottish Conservative MPs aren't having canaries over the precedent it sets.
Last time I checked Scotland had not had a terrorist war for decades and did not border another EU nation unlike Northern Ireland
I've already pointed out to you
(a) the shamefulness of denying the Scots a referendum just cos they don't start a terrorist campaign
(b) that Scotland has a land border with another EU nation, ie England, and maritime ones with others. ,
a) Scotland had a referendum in 2014 and voted No, given the SNP have refused to respect the results of the 2014 and 2016 referendums I have no problem in refusing them another. b) Scotlsnd is part of the UK, England is not a separate sovereign nation unlike the Republic of Ireland
Things appear to be moving Bozo's way. My predictions are looking a bit shaky.
I suppose the one consolation for Labour Leavers if he does win the vote is that we will actually leave. But not on the right terms or with the right political consequences.
Those Labour MPs who are prepared to hoist Bozo aloft as if he has brought home the world cup need to hang their heads in shame. I used to hold Sarah Champion in high regard. More fool me.
Look on the bright side, if said Labour MPs get in they don't have to worry about pesky things like EU state aid rules.
Things appear to be moving Bozo's way. My predictions are looking a bit shaky.
I suppose the one consolation for Labour Leavers if he does win the vote is that we will actually leave. But not on the right terms or with the right political consequences.
Those Labour MPs who are prepared to hoist Bozo aloft as if he has brought home the world cup need to hang their heads in shame. I used to hold Sarah Champion in high regard. More fool me.
Look on the bright side, if said Labour MPs get in they don't have to worry about pesky things like EU state aid rules.
Things appear to be moving Bozo's way. My predictions are looking a bit shaky.
I suppose the one consolation for Labour Leavers if he does win the vote is that we will actually leave. But not on the right terms or with the right political consequences.
Those Labour MPs who are prepared to hoist Bozo aloft as if he has brought home the world cup need to hang their heads in shame. I used to hold Sarah Champion in high regard. More fool me.
Will BF pay up on a vote for the WA deal tomorrow if has been lobotomized by Letwin?
That is just fundamentally not true. The UK can sign FTAs and negotiate tariff rates under the Boris deal, which was impossible under the backstop. An independent trade policy is a major shift, it is not fiddling at the edges.
Remainers are having to jump from one ridiculous argument to another at the moment.
The vote tomorrow is a watershed moment. If Johnson wins tomorrow, then he romps home in a GE. And, HYUFD will tell you the exact number of MPs the Tories will have. The SNP will be other winner.
If the deal passes, then the GE becomes very unpredictable. Johnson won't get a thank you card from the electorate.
If Boris gets his Deal through it will be with Labour votes, so Remainers will keep voting LD who will campaign on a rejoin platform while Boris will have stopped most of his leakage to the Brexit Party having delivered Brexit
One thing that did puzzle me yesterday was a BBC report hat - according to Guy Verhofstadt - the European Parliament wouldn't ratify the deal until well into November. Can that really be correct?
The new EP only begins on Nov 1. So, yes.
Is the old EP not sitting?
It is sitting next week.
But in any case, if Article 50 requires ratification of the agreement by the European Parliament, how can we leave before that happens?
Juncker confirms that the European Parliament will pass the deal next week if the HOC passes the deal
It’s irrelevant the EU Parliament can only ratify after the full UK process which isn’t going to happen in 5 days .
Actually, Article 50 speaks of the leaving country and the EU Council concluding an agreement only after ratification by the European Parliament, not before.
Again, Juncker said the ratification in the EU Parliament will happen next week if deal passed
One thing that did puzzle me yesterday was a BBC report hat - according to Guy Verhofstadt - the European Parliament wouldn't ratify the deal until well into November. Can that really be correct?
The new EP only begins on Nov 1. So, yes.
Is the old EP not sitting?
It is sitting next week.
But in any case, if Article 50 requires ratification of the agreement by the European Parliament, how can we leave before that happens?
Juncker confirms that the European Parliament will pass the deal next week if the HOC passes the deal
If Juncker did say that, it's the opposite of what Verhofstadt said.
Exactly . Juncker has no sway over the EU Parliament, Bozo has been on the phone to say please put pressure on MPs.
Guy V has said they won’t start ratification until the deal is a 100% watertight in the UK.
Too many Leavers are falling for these briefings and equally falling for the no extension nonsense .
In fairness too many of us fell for briefings about no reopening of the WA .
The EU reopened it because it suited them , they always hated the all UK backstop .
Perhaps but they said they wouldn't reopen it and they did, we got sucked in by their briefings.
Things appear to be moving Bozo's way. My predictions are looking a bit shaky.
I suppose the one consolation for Labour Leavers if he does win the vote is that we will actually leave. But not on the right terms or with the right political consequences.
Those Labour MPs who are prepared to hoist Bozo aloft as if he has brought home the world cup need to hang their heads in shame. I used to hold Sarah Champion in high regard. More fool me.
Look on the bright side, if said Labour MPs get in they don't have to worry about pesky things like EU state aid rules.
The vote tomorrow is a watershed moment. If Johnson wins tomorrow, then he romps home in a GE. And, HYUFD will tell you the exact number of MPs the Tories will have. The SNP will be other winner.
If the deal passes, then the GE becomes very unpredictable. Johnson won't get a thank you card from the electorate.
If Boris gets his Deal through it will be with Labour votes, so Remainers will keep voting LD who will campaign on a rejoin platform while Boris will have stopped most of his leakage to the Brexit Party having delivered Brexit
Alternatively it will give people the ability to vote for the Brexit Party without risking Brexit not happening.
One thing that did puzzle me yesterday was a BBC report hat - according to Guy Verhofstadt - the European Parliament wouldn't ratify the deal until well into November. Can that really be correct?
The new EP only begins on Nov 1. So, yes.
Is the old EP not sitting?
It is sitting next week.
But in any case, if Article 50 requires ratification of the agreement by the European Parliament, how can we leave before that happens?
Juncker confirms that the European Parliament will pass the deal next week if the HOC passes the deal
It’s irrelevant the EU Parliament can only ratify after the full UK process which isn’t going to happen in 5 days .
Actually, Article 50 speaks of the leaving country and the EU Council concluding an agreement only after ratification by the European Parliament, not before.
Again, Juncker said the ratification in the EU Parliament will happen next week if deal passed
Do you have a link for that please?
Live on Sky after deal announced yesterday
Well, does anyone else remember hearing it?
I have no idea but I hope you are not suggesting I am inaccurately quoting the interview
I think this Letwin amendment is going to go badly with the public. The man on the street hears a reasonable deal has been done, but Remain MPs are engaging in jiggery-pokery to stop it going through and keep us in the EU. I think it will help Boris.
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
One thing that did puzzle me yesterday was a BBC report hat - according to Guy Verhofstadt - the European Parliament wouldn't ratify the deal until well into November. Can that really be correct?
The new EP only begins on Nov 1. So, yes.
Is the old EP not sitting?
It is sitting next week.
But in any case, if Article 50 requires ratification of the agreement by the European Parliament, how can we leave before that happens?
Juncker confirms that the European Parliament will pass the deal next week if the HOC passes the deal
It’s irrelevant the EU Parliament can only ratify after the full UK process which isn’t going to happen in 5 days .
Actually, Article 50 speaks of the leaving country and the EU Council concluding an agreement only after ratification by the European Parliament, not before.
Again, Juncker said the ratification in the EU Parliament will happen next week if deal passed
Do you have a link for that please?
Live on Sky after deal announced yesterday
Well, does anyone else remember hearing it?
I have no idea but I hope you are not suggesting I am inaccurately quoting the interview
You're not quoting it at all. If you wrote down what he said, it would certainly help if you could quote his exact words.
The government should surely offer an amendment like Letwins but that IS an MV as well Give the idiot his insurance policy but force a proper meaningful vote too
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
Clearly Letwin, Hammond, Verhofstadt etc are coordinating just to delay Brexit for the sake of hurting Johnson. They don't care about uncertainty or the UK, but a personal vendetta.
“We have concluded a deal and so there is not an argument for further delay. It has to be done now,” Mr Juncker told reporters on the doorstep of the European Council summit. “We have a deal. The British prime minister has to make sure that the deal will pass the hurdles of Westminster. I have to make sure it will pass the hurdles of the European Parliament, that’s all.”
I can't even work out if the Letwin amendment helps or hinders Boris.
It allows the Tory rebels to vote for the deal as it will definitely rule out no deal at the end of October .
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
I think this Letwin amendment is going to go badly with the public. The man on the street hears a reasonable deal has been done, but Remain MPs are engaging in jiggery-pokery to stop it going through and keep us in the EU. I think it will help Boris.
I wonder if the DUP could vote against Letwin? For the shitz n gigglez.....
I can't even work out if the Letwin amendment helps or hinders Boris.
It allows the Tory rebels to vote for the deal as it will definitely rule out no deal at the end of October .
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
What do MPs hope to achieve by amending the bill? It won't change one word of the agreement with the EU.
And if anti no-dealers are so worried about that, why are they making the first vote meaningless?
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
The government should surely offer an amendment like Letwins but that IS an MV as well Give the idiot his insurance policy but force a proper meaningful vote too
Yes that's clearly what the government shoud/will do.
I can't even work out if the Letwin amendment helps or hinders Boris.
It allows the Tory rebels to vote for the deal as it will definitely rule out no deal at the end of October .
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
The Remain alliance are following the Chinese Community Party approach. They know they can't win in a fair debate so are engaging in guerilla warfare. This is why people hate politicians.
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
I think this Letwin amendment is going to go badly with the public. The man on the street hears a reasonable deal has been done, but Remain MPs are engaging in jiggery-pokery to stop it going through and keep us in the EU. I think it will help Boris.
I wonder if the DUP could vote against Letwin? For the shitz n gigglez.....
The DUP will vote against Letwin as well as the Boris Deal
France is the biggest EU winner from Brexit - it hopes to poach more business from the UK and the UK's exit removes one of the principal counter-weights to French influence over EU policy. Germany is probably the biggest loser.
I can't even work out if the Letwin amendment helps or hinders Boris.
It allows the Tory rebels to vote for the deal as it will definitely rule out no deal at the end of October .
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
If the deal passes I'm sure Boris can ask for an extension half heartedly and his new chums in the EU will just reject it. Laughter all round.
Chris said: "Well, does anyone else remember hearing it?"
Yes, and I recall thinking at the time that it was somewhat vague and i got the impression that he was trying to help Boris get deal through HOC.
You see, what the communique says is: "Before the Withdrawal Agreement can enter into force, it needs to be ratified by the EU and the UK. For the EU, the Council of the European Union must authorise the signature of the Withdrawal Agreement, before sending it to the European Parliament for its consent. The United Kingdom must ratify the agreement according to its own constitutional arrangements."
Nothing about when the Parliament will ratify it, and nothing about that ratification being conditional on the UK parliament's approval.
If the EU Parliament is really going to wait for the UK Parliament, and if the Letwin amendment is passed tomorrow, so that the UK parliament will not approve the deal until the enabling legislation is passed, then it probably won't be possible for the EU Parliament to ratify it before 31 October, because the last day it sits is Thursday 24th.
I can't even work out if the Letwin amendment helps or hinders Boris.
It allows the Tory rebels to vote for the deal as it will definitely rule out no deal at the end of October .
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
The Remain alliance are following the Chinese Community Party approach. They know they can't win in a fair debate so are engaging in guerilla warfare. This is why people hate politicians.
Agreed - also really not sure why people think this will embarrass Johnson with his potential voters rather than solidify them behind him against those who vote the Letwin amendment through.
The vote tomorrow is a watershed moment. If Johnson wins tomorrow, then he romps home in a GE. And, HYUFD will tell you the exact number of MPs the Tories will have. The SNP will be other winner.
If the deal passes, then the GE becomes very unpredictable. Johnson won't get a thank you card from the electorate.
If Boris gets his Deal through it will be with Labour votes, so Remainers will keep voting LD who will campaign on a rejoin platform while Boris will have stopped most of his leakage to the Brexit Party having delivered Brexit
Alternatively it will give people the ability to vote for the Brexit Party without risking Brexit not happening.
Only 17% of voters now back No Deal so Boris can live with that given the Remain/Rejoin vote will be split between the LDs and Labour
I think this Letwin amendment is going to go badly with the public. The man on the street hears a reasonable deal has been done, but Remain MPs are engaging in jiggery-pokery to stop it going through and keep us in the EU. I think it will help Boris.
You think they care what the public thinks?
Remain is hanging by a thread now... These are desperate times for the Rabble Alliance...
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
Clearly Letwin, Hammond, Verhofstadt etc are coordinating just to delay Brexit for the sake of hurting Johnson. They don't care about uncertainty or the UK, but a personal vendetta.
I support a referendum but I dont like phrase confirmatory ballot as it suggests to me mps are sending it to us with their collective stamp of approval, when a majority in fact will be desperate for a rejection.
Here's the BBC item I was referring to: When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
Sky Europe Editor has just said the leaders had left their meeting yesterday before the Letwin amendment came to light and said that one source has commented that one thing that will infuriate EU leaders is if they are being gamed by British politicians, and this feels like they are being gamed
He said to watch this space as there might not be as much good will for an extension as there was 24 hours ago
And for those who doubt my words play Sky news at approx 5.15 tonight
The vote tomorrow is a watershed moment. If Johnson wins tomorrow, then he romps home in a GE. And, HYUFD will tell you the exact number of MPs the Tories will have. The SNP will be other winner.
If the deal passes, then the GE becomes very unpredictable. Johnson won't get a thank you card from the electorate.
If Boris gets his Deal through it will be with Labour votes, so Remainers will keep voting LD who will campaign on a rejoin platform while Boris will have stopped most of his leakage to the Brexit Party having delivered Brexit
Alternatively it will give people the ability to vote for the Brexit Party without risking Brexit not happening.
Only 17% of voters now back No Deal so Boris can live with that given the Remain/Rejoin vote will be split between the LDs and Labour
So that's a delay the big vote decision then. If it sounds like that is passing we can spare ourselves following the proceedings then, the big fights will be later.
Dan Hodges is clueless as can be confirmed by his latest tweet .
The Benn Act falls away once the MV4 goes through. It’s irrelevant if that’s amended to say a further extension is needed because the MV4 is not legally binding . Only the WAIB is once that gets Royal Consent .
I support a referendum but I dont like phrase confirmatory ballot as it suggests to me mps are sending it to us with their collective stamp of approval, when a majority in fact will be desperate for a rejection.
I support a referendum but I dont like phrase confirmatory ballot as it suggests to me mps are sending it to us with their collective stamp of approval, when a majority in fact will be desperate for a rejection.
Absolutely right. It is not a 'Confirmatory' vote. It is a Second Referendum.
I think this Letwin amendment is going to go badly with the public. The man on the street hears a reasonable deal has been done, but Remain MPs are engaging in jiggery-pokery to stop it going through and keep us in the EU. I think it will help Boris.
You think they care what the public thinks?
Remain is hanging by a thread now... These are desperate times for the Rabble Alliance...
Remain's best chance since 2016 has always been Rejoin. But they are insisting on giving pro-Europeans a terrible reputation.
Sky Europe Editor has just said the leaders had left their meeting yesterday before the Letwin amendment came to light and said that one source has commented that one thing that will infuriate EU leaders is if they are being gamed by British politicians, and this feels like they are being gamed
He said to watch this space as there might not be as much good will for an extension as there was 24 hours ago
And for those who doubt my words play Sky news at approx 5.15 tonight
As I said the EU wants us gone on 31st October so the new Parliament can start with a clean slate on 1st November.
Sky Europe Editor has just said the leaders had left their meeting yesterday before the Letwin amendment came to light and said that one source has commented that one thing that will infuriate EU leaders is if they are being gamed by British politicians, and this feels like they are being gamed
He said to watch this space as there might not be as much good will for an extension as there was 24 hours ago
And for those who doubt my words play Sky news at approx 5.15 tonight
As I said the EU wants us gone on 31st October so the new Parliament can start with a clean slate on 1st November.
Perhaps this is where the ‘Orban gambit‘ comes into play, with tacit approval from the EU?
Sky Europe Editor has just said the leaders had left their meeting yesterday before the Letwin amendment came to light and said that one source has commented that one thing that will infuriate EU leaders is if they are being gamed by British politicians, and this feels like they are being gamed
He said to watch this space as there might not be as much good will for an extension as there was 24 hours ago
And for those who doubt my words play Sky news at approx 5.15 tonight
As I said the EU wants us gone on 31st October so the new Parliament can start with a clean slate on 1st November.
Indeed, those trying to drag this on for silly buggers will get short shrift.
It is a ridiculous position. After demanding (and proving) that parliament is now sovereign, Hammond et al are now claiming they can't vote this through because parliament will be rolled over with no FTA in a secret plan?
Parliament can extend at will, can choose whichever government they want to negotiate, can hold an election at any time.
These really are the dregs of arguments being rolled out.
The vote tomorrow is a watershed moment. If Johnson wins tomorrow, then he romps home in a GE. And, HYUFD will tell you the exact number of MPs the Tories will have. The SNP will be other winner.
If the deal passes, then the GE becomes very unpredictable. Johnson won't get a thank you card from the electorate.
If Boris gets his Deal through it will be with Labour votes, so Remainers will keep voting LD who will campaign on a rejoin platform while Boris will have stopped most of his leakage to the Brexit Party having delivered Brexit
Alternatively it will give people the ability to vote for the Brexit Party without risking Brexit not happening.
Only 17% of voters now back No Deal so Boris can live with that given the Remain/Rejoin vote will be split between the LDs and Labour
Where is the option to leave with a better (Labour) deal?
Labour aren't going to get a better deal, since they've confirmed they would campaign against their own deal why would the EU engage in negotiations with them?
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https://twitter.com/DomWalsh13/status/1185202755603980290
b) Scotlsnd is part of the UK, England is not a separate sovereign nation unlike the Republic of Ireland
Remainers are having to jump from one ridiculous argument to another at the moment.
Rules:
"If this vote does not take place on 19/10/2019 this market will be voided."
but also ….
"For clarity if the House of Commons vote to amend the motion then this market will be settled on the vote on the Government Motion AS AMENDED"
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.163824572
This market is free money surely if Letwin amends it be a simple nodding job with a view to the real debate being next week?
Yes, and I recall thinking at the time that it was somewhat vague and i got the impression that he was trying to help Boris get deal through HOC.
When will the European Parliament approve the deal?
The European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator is suggesting the formal approval of a deal by MEPs could come after 31 October, when the UK is currently scheduled to leave the EU.
Any EU-UK Brexit withdrawal deal also needs the official backing of the European Parliament.
But Guy Verhofstadt says the EU legislature will take its full time to carefully examine and approve the plans.
MEPs will only start their work once the UK Parliament has passed a fully binding Brexit deal, he says, adding it could well have to be picked up in a session beginning on 13 November.
The parliament "will only start its work from the moment that we are 100% sure that the British Parliament will adopt this deal", Mr Verhofstadt says.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-50079596/page/2
Give the idiot his insurance policy but force a proper meaningful vote too
“We have concluded a deal and so there is not an argument for further delay. It has to be done now,” Mr Juncker told reporters on the doorstep of the European Council summit.
“We have a deal. The British prime minister has to make sure that the deal will pass the hurdles of Westminster. I have to make sure it will pass the hurdles of the European Parliament, that’s all.”
It will embarrass Johnson though as he has to ask for an extension . And it will give MPs more time to amend the WAIB .
Because of suspicion that the ERG might vote for the deal tomorrow and then pull support once we get to the WAIB the anti no dealers are still worried .
And if anti no-dealers are so worried about that, why are they making the first vote meaningless?
EU wants us gone on 31st October along with Juncker. They don't want us hanging around into the new Parliament.
If lamb is considering it he should resign the whip like lloyd so the party retains the bettrr remain credentials!
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.163824572
This market is free money surely if Letwin amends it be a simple nodding job with a view to the real debate being next week?"
I think this market would be voided under Betfair rules as the vote wouldn`t happen 19/10/2019.
"Before the Withdrawal Agreement can enter into force, it needs to be ratified by the EU and the UK. For the EU, the Council of the European Union must authorise the signature of the Withdrawal Agreement, before sending it to the European Parliament for its consent. The United Kingdom must ratify the agreement according to its own constitutional arrangements."
Nothing about when the Parliament will ratify it, and nothing about that ratification being conditional on the UK parliament's approval.
If the EU Parliament is really going to wait for the UK Parliament, and if the Letwin amendment is passed tomorrow, so that the UK parliament will not approve the deal until the enabling legislation is passed, then it probably won't be possible for the EU Parliament to ratify it before 31 October, because the last day it sits is Thursday 24th.
The Kyle amendment is therefore more of a challenge for Boris than Letwin
https://twitter.com/peterkyle/status/1185215551267921920?s=20
Intentionally fail to agree an FTA by December 2020
Crash out of europe on 31st December 2020 taking NI with us.
It's simple
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1185150452758802433?s=20
Remain is hanging by a thread now... These are desperate times for the Rabble Alliance...
The whips need to have a word with Letwin and put a motion of their own in exchange for him dropping his.
And gosh what an incredible (!) climax this is. A Saturday vote to finally Leave, right in the middle of a massive Remain demo.
Brexit has been compelling, intellectually and emotionally. It's been like a top quality box set, except better.
We will miss it when it's gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnNlQ-KNv4
He said to watch this space as there might not be as much good will for an extension as there was 24 hours ago
And for those who doubt my words play Sky news at approx 5.15 tonight
Boris is also running a populist tax cut and spend campaign, not the unpopular tax rise and more austerity May campaign
Boris is also running a populist tax cut and spend campaign, not the unpopular tax rise and more austerity May campaign
The Benn Act falls away once the MV4 goes through. It’s irrelevant if that’s amended to say a further extension is needed because the MV4 is not legally binding . Only the WAIB is once that gets Royal Consent .
Jeez he needs to stop embarrassing himself .
https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1185229646599770114
*asking nicely to vote against
Has Rosie Cooper said anything yet?
DYOR
These puns write themselves...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_72jEeaC_gE
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1185226102710689792
Parliament can extend at will, can choose whichever government they want to negotiate, can hold an election at any time.
These really are the dregs of arguments being rolled out.
Feel bad for the fools that crowdfunded this nonsense