Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
They demanded reasons last time, or at the least that we had a plan for coming to a resolution. We didnt and they still extended. It was their first major blink - showing they will never call time, even if it is in their intetest.
Or they won't make the same mistake twice? Who knows, but I wouldn't stake my life on Yes to extension.
You sound rather worried Scott. Boris looking like he might have the numbers.
Why would that worry me?
Common on Scott.
Your whole DNA has been anti brexit and if this passes tomorrow you will be gutted along with many other remainers
But if remainers are sensible they will seek to campaign to rejoin which is the obvious thing to do
Of course we will be gutted. Boris's deal will a disaster for the future of the UK, both economically and politically. Who would wish that on their children? But it is still better than crashing out without a deal or another 3 months of faffing. May's deal would have been better, and not leaving at all would have been much better. Still, there is one silver lining: the Tories will reap over the coming year what they have sown this year.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Who is the “senior cabinet minister” on resignation watch? That would be a total cluster for everyone’s current tight estimates if it happened
IDS maybe
He's not in the cabinet anymore. One of the few things Boris has got right!
Considering Boris has managed to do what many like Rory said was completely impossible, and got a new deal removing the backstop, he has got more than just 'a few things' right!
Lets not argue against Boris based on months old prejudices that have been proven wrong already.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
They demanded reasons last time, or at the least that we had a plan for coming to a resolution. We didnt and they still extended. It was their first major blink - showing they will never call time, even if it is in their intetest.
Or they won't make the same mistake twice? Who knows, but I wouldn't stake my life on Yes to extension.
Labour 'leavers' and other potential waverers will. It avoids them having to make a call.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
650 - 4 tellers - 4 speakers - 7 Sinn Fein = 318 winning post with no abstentions.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
You sound rather worried Scott. Boris looking like he might have the numbers.
Why would that worry me?
Common on Scott.
Your whole DNA has been anti brexit and if this passes tomorrow you will be gutted along with many other remainers
But if remainers are sensible they will seek to campaign to rejoin which is the obvious thing to do
Of course we will be gutted. Boris's deal will a disaster for the future of the UK, both economically and politically. Who would wish that on their children? But it is still better than crashing out without a deal or another 3 months of faffing. May's deal would have been better, and not leaving at all would have been much better. Still, there is one silver lining: the Tories will reap over the coming year what they have sown this year.
If May's deal would have been better why did Remainers vote with the ERG and reject May's deal?
It was quite obvious that if May fell a harder Tory Brexiteer would inevitably become the next PM. That shouldn't be a shock!
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
All predictions seem to be based on that as the winning line. 300 is doable if ERG are on board and some ex con, you can probably squeeze to 310 if most ex con back. But Letwins move seems like it could threaten that.
Who is the “senior cabinet minister” on resignation watch? That would be a total cluster for everyone’s current tight estimates if it happened
IDS maybe
He's not in the cabinet anymore. One of the few things Boris has got right!
Considering Boris has managed to do what many like Rory said was completely impossible, and got a new deal removing the backstop, he has got more than just 'a few things' right!
Lets not argue against Boris based on months old prejudices that have been proven wrong already.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
They won't extend to force a deal? OK
Why is one more likely than the other - apart from personal preference?
Who is the “senior cabinet minister” on resignation watch? That would be a total cluster for everyone’s current tight estimates if it happened
IDS maybe
He's not in the cabinet anymore. One of the few things Boris has got right!
Considering Boris has managed to do what many like Rory said was completely impossible, and got a new deal removing the backstop, he has got more than just 'a few things' right!
Lets not argue against Boris based on months old prejudices that have been proven wrong already.
And there was me trying to praise him too.
It was a bit of a backhanded compliment was it not?
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
Ronnie Campbell is a green light for "old labour" to possibly vote it I reckon.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
And they will refuse to extend until parliament has voted. Only if the deal is voted down will they (possibly) offer an extension
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
You sound rather worried Scott. Boris looking like he might have the numbers.
Why would that worry me?
Common on Scott.
Your whole DNA has been anti brexit and if this passes tomorrow you will be gutted along with many other remainers
But if remainers are sensible they will seek to campaign to rejoin which is the obvious thing to do
Clearly you haven't been paying attention.
I have said, many times, the only way to kill the Brexit virus is for it to burn itself out.
It's not going to burn out. You need to get a majority of parliament to revoke Article 50 and get what you wish for. This is becoming less and less likely. Carry on retweeting but your dream of overturning a democratic vote appears to be slowly dying.
Interesting. Just seen the first evidence of a Facebook ad campaign that looks like it might be designed to shore up BXP (at the expense of the Conservatives) but potentially funded by Remain supporters. Not 100% clear from the context but that's how it looks to me.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
And they will refuse to extend until parliament has voted. Only if the deal is voted down will they (possibly) offer an extension
For a specific reason, election or referendum. Both of which, as things stand, Parliament has voted against enacting. So why extend?
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
Sterling just edged positive on the day. Has Boris got the big mo?
Yes.
Whether its enough is hard to tell, but he has the Big Mo.
Vox pops prove whatever you like but the unanimity on R4 this morning was quite impressive. People no longer care about the details, they just want it done.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
Time for the clean unionists of the UUP to come back
Interesting. Just seen the first evidence of a Facebook ad campaign that looks like it might be designed to shore up BXP (at the expense of the Conservatives) but potentially funded by Remain supporters. Not 100% clear from the context but that's how it looks to me.
We are relying on the campaigning skills of Farage and Corbyn for remain or Swinson and Johnson for leave.
If the first 2 have great campaigns and the second two don't, we have another referendum, if it is the opposite way around we leave on Johnson's terms.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
Kelvin's daughter (a councillor in Luton) wants to inherit his seat. That might be a factor.
If forced to bet on this I would back the deal passing.
Glad I am not forced to bet on this.
The SNP will never have hoped a vote passes despite their opposition more
You think? I think this is a bad outcome for the SNP.
This is the kind of Brexit that doesn't tip people over the edge to full blown Indy support.
I think it will. Sturgeon is already talking about the advantages NI will have.
Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway.
The main thing was to avoid No Deal for most Scots, this Deal does it
We already know your attitude towards Scotland, which is they should count themselves lucky that you are not imprisoning their leaders. You are a parody account aren’t you?
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
650 - 4 tellers - 4 speakers - 7 Sinn Fein = 318 winning post with no abstentions.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
And they will refuse to extend until parliament has voted. Only if the deal is voted down will they (possibly) offer an extension
I don't know whether you remember as long ago as half an hour, but what I was disagreeing with was this, from you: "the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed"
It seems you now disagree with it yourself.
I really wonder what point people see in filling the thread with this kind of guff, which they're going to go back on anyway a few minutes later!
El_Capitano said: "Interesting. Just seen the first evidence of a Facebook ad campaign that looks like it might be designed to shore up BXP (at the expense of the Conservatives) but potentially funded by Remain supporters. Not 100% clear from the context but that's how it looks to me."
Yes - I`m not surprised. Remain supporters will be mad-keen on BXP splitting the Tory vote at next GE.
As I`ve said before, Farage/Tice et al are far too invested in their BXP project to go into reverse gear now.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Any Jewish mps orthodox enough not to vote on Shabbat?
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
650 - 4 tellers - 4 speakers - 7 Sinn Fein = 318 winning post with no abstentions.
Offer Letwin an alternative. Benn letter to be transmitted if WAIB fails or not voted on by Oct 28.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
And they will refuse to extend until parliament has voted. Only if the deal is voted down will they (possibly) offer an extension
I don't know whether you remember as long ago as half an hour, but what I was disagreeing with was this, from you: "the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed"
It seems you now disagree with it yourself.
I really wonder what point people see in filling the thread with this kind of guff, which they're going to go back on anyway a few minutes later!
Yesm they arent going to even consider extending unless the deal is voted down. You seen to think theyll extend before it's even been voted on which is a ridiculous position to hold.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Any Jewish mps orthodox enough not to vote on Shabbat?
If forced to bet on this I would back the deal passing.
Glad I am not forced to bet on this.
The SNP will never have hoped a vote passes despite their opposition more
You think? I think this is a bad outcome for the SNP.
This is the kind of Brexit that doesn't tip people over the edge to full blown Indy support.
I think it will. Sturgeon is already talking about the advantages NI will have.
Boris and Westminster will block indyref2 for the foreseeable future anyway.
The main thing was to avoid No Deal for most Scots, this Deal does it
We already know your attitude towards Scotland, which is they should count themselves lucky that you are not imprisoning their leaders. You are a parody account aren’t you?
Well the Spanish government has now set a precedent by jailing Catalan nationalists for holding an unauthorised independence referendum
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
The DUP are completely correct from their perspective. I'm astonished that the Scottish Conservative MPs aren't having canaries over the precedent it sets.
My hunch is that Boris will sneak this. He will get is way, we will Brexit and he will own the consequences. The question is what will those consequences be.
Will he do better than the winning side in ScotRef?
That`s a very encouraging development for those who want the deal to pass.
Good on her.
Anecdote alert, but pretty much everyone who’s spoken to me today about this has said it’s time to accept the deal and move on now. I feel a definite shift in mood.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
Another slightly annoying thing about Farage's criticism of the deal etc... The Brexit Party schtick at the Euros was "This is about more than the referendum vote, its about democracy and trust" to paraphrase. I think that implied taking a deal
"Anecdote alert, but pretty much everyone who’s spoken to me today about this has said it’s time to accept the deal and move on now. I feel a definite shift in mood."
So do I - but I`m not sure of the effect that the Letwin amendment will have. Makes betting very tricky.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
The DUP are completely correct from their perspective. I'm astonished that the Scottish Conservative MPs aren't having canaries over the precedent it sets.
That assumes a level of collective intelligence and gumption that the SCon MPs do not possess.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
The DUP are completely correct from their perspective. I'm astonished that the Scottish Conservative MPs aren't having canaries over the precedent it sets.
That assumes a level of collective intelligence and gumption that the SCon MPs do not possess.
Loads know they're toast at the next GE so best to keep nose clean with the party for future jobs.
How many are not going to vote tomorrow? Clearly the 7 terrorists/friends of Jeremy, the Speaker (except on a tie) and 3 deputies, what about O'Mara? Anyone else?
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Kelvin Hopkins is a hard leaver but a pal of Jeremy, he may well abstain
That's why I suggested Dennis Skinner.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
I'd laugh my arse off if Skinner voted with the Tories on this, unlikely, but we seem to be so far through the looking glass now that anything is possible.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
With Farage now a remain supporting defender of the Benn Act it is an amazing time.
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
The DUP are completely correct from their perspective. I'm astonished that the Scottish Conservative MPs aren't having canaries over the precedent it sets.
That assumes a level of collective intelligence and gumption that the SCon MPs do not possess.
Loads know they're toast at the next GE so best to keep nose clean with the party for future jobs.
Only the three border MPs have a strong chance of holding, and lord knows the likes of Ross Thomson and Kirstene Hair are unemployable in the real world.
What is the bloody point? Whatever the length of the extension, we leave once the paperwork is done. We could be granted a ten-year extension, and still (in theory) leave before 31 October if we're ready.
The point is Letwin is currently trying to force the letter tomorrow, the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed (in principle in this case) so they decline an extension and no deal becomes a real possibility again if the WAIB falls. Only a moron like Letwin could come up with such a stupid amendment
But of course, the EU haven't made it clear they aren't going to extend - they've just been making a lot of noises about the undesirability of extending, obviously intended to encourage MPs to vote in favour, but incapable of deceiving a small child.
The only problem here is Johnson's idiotic self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be great if everyone else ignored the child in the room and started behaving like adults?
They have stated pretty clearly any extension is for a reason.
Johnson is unable to assure them that he or Parliament can deliver the reason for an extension. (Election or Referendum the numbers can not be guaranteed).
That could easily lead to no extension.
You can come out with as much wishful thinking as you like. The EU has certainly not made clear that they aren't going to extend, which was the claim.
They will extend for a reason.
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
They'll extend to avoid No Deal. OK?
And they will refuse to extend until parliament has voted. Only if the deal is voted down will they (possibly) offer an extension
I don't know whether you remember as long ago as half an hour, but what I was disagreeing with was this, from you: "the EU have made it pretty clear they arent going to extend, especially if the deal has been agreed"
It seems you now disagree with it yourself.
I really wonder what point people see in filling the thread with this kind of guff, which they're going to go back on anyway a few minutes later!
Yesm they arent going to even consider extending unless the deal is voted down. You seen to think theyll extend before it's even been voted on which is a ridiculous position to hold.
It's no use pretending you can't read - it only makes you look foolish.
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What happens if the deal is not passed tomorrow?
No Deal shortens?
Another Meaningful vote?
Like to suggest some reasons they would extend for and how they are guaranteed?
If it didnt mean holding another vote Letwin could surely have it unambiguous.
Maim change Labour voters, 54% rejected the May Deal, only 35% reject the Boris Deal.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1185150058855096320?s=20
Saj was in the papers saying the same thing.
This market is all over the place. Now flip-flopped 1.61 yes 2.38 no
If that is all 638 votes, a winning line of 320. Sounds a lot without the DUP.
Lets not argue against Boris based on months old prejudices that have been proven wrong already.
It was quite obvious that if May fell a harder Tory Brexiteer would inevitably become the next PM. That shouldn't be a shock!
Why is one more likely than the other - apart from personal preference?
30% of Leavers opposed the May Deal, just 10% of Leavers oppose the Boris Deal.
50% of Remain voters opposed the May Deal, only 41% oppose the Boris Deal as well.
He is a hard leaver, a pal of Jeremy [who was a hard leaver when he was on the backbenches] and hates the Tories. I think he might combust if he voted with the Tories but backs leaving.
Whether its enough is hard to tell, but he has the Big Mo.
I voted remain, but if he gets this deal through without the DUP nutters, I hope they get a massive backlash at the election. Spend all their time wanging on about the Union, but seem to be staring down the barrel of an Irish border poll if they carry on like this. Idiots.
If the first 2 have great campaigns and the second two don't, we have another referendum, if it is the opposite way around we leave on Johnson's terms.
Edit: That is if we get an election.
It seems you now disagree with it yourself.
I really wonder what point people see in filling the thread with this kind of guff, which they're going to go back on anyway a few minutes later!
Yes - I`m not surprised. Remain supporters will be mad-keen on BXP splitting the Tory vote at next GE.
As I`ve said before, Farage/Tice et al are far too invested in their BXP project to go into reverse gear now.
Personally, I now expect both to stay on board.
Handy to remember for betting lines etc.
If the deal is legally dodgy, then Buckland and Cox.
Northern Ireland's last stand - Julian Smith
Just for the LOLZ - Rees-Mogg and Steve Barclay
The DUP think they are the only ones who care about the UK. I've yet to read the changes so dont know if their concerns are right, but its certainly true that since they always moan self righteously it's hard to tell when they have a point.
That`s a very encouraging development for those who want the deal to pass.
Not too worried though.
Will he do better than the winning side in ScotRef?
https://twitter.com/mediafriendly/status/1185200555007729664
Anecdote alert, but pretty much everyone who’s spoken to me today about this has said it’s time to accept the deal and move on now. I feel a definite shift in mood.
So do I - but I`m not sure of the effect that the Letwin amendment will have. Makes betting very tricky.
2.2 is there though... Can @AndyJS knock up a spreadsheet please, so we can get the money??!
And also for Labour MPs they need to see what proposals Johnson is putting forward on workers rights etc.
This rush to get the deal through is just for Bozos pledge , the EU want the deal to go through but aren’t bothered if it takes a few more weeks .
They’re not going to say no extension if the deal is likely to pass.
Withdrawal Agreement IB ?
IB = ?