Peter Sissons was one of the presenters on the BBC's iconic 1992 election night coverage, regarded by many psephological anoraks as one of the best ever election shows. This is the for the first 5 minutes or so of that programme.
I worked with him, once. Probably the most professional of any.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No. They need context and I need paying.
You get my thread headers for free.
I’ll give you a joke for free.
One in four frogs is a leap frog 😃
There are two fish in a tank
One turns to the other and says “so how do you drive this thing?”
Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
He became a Voodoo Pole!
What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison?
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Lets say boris does get a deal, does his poll rating go up or down?
Up !
Farages betrayal narrative will soon be overtaken by the fact that the UK has actually left.
I don’t like Johnson however if we leave with an orderly exit and a deal then I’ll say well done.
Or down, the header shows most people do not want to Leave. Why would they be impressed?
It wont go down because of that....as all those who are fired up.remainers arent voting tory at the moment. I think it is more those who think boris has sold them a pup.
Another question, what if boris gets a deal but HoC vote it down...
May got a deal the HOC voted it down so no difference there. The real problem in my mind is it gives a minority in NI the ability to control the outcome which is a disgrace and I bet will not go down well in Congress.
It gives Stormont the control of the outcome as the representative body of NI
Stormont has some unique minority protection features because of its troubled history
But I guess the logic of what you are saying is you’d can the Belfast Agreement?
Well it would be a start if stormont actually sat but by reading of this is that is effectively a DUP veto
The DUP is the only major group in NI - political or business - to have expressed support for the proposals.
I suspect their will be some movement on this Stormont veto idea possibly in relation to a refernedum for NI followed by a review by Stormont every ten years rather than four?
The change that will be asked for is to reverse the polarity on the review. So rather than it needing a vote to stay in the pseudo-backstop, it would need a vote to leave the pseudo-backstop (shifting the veto on the arrangement from the DUP to Sinn Fein).
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Peter Sissons was one of the presenters on the BBC's iconic 1992 election night coverage, regarded by many psephological anoraks as one of the best ever election shows. This is the for the first 5 minutes or so of that programme.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
If we're going for hopelessly corny jokes and not my awesome puns:
A magician was working on a cruise ship.
Since the audience was different each week, the magician did the same tricks over and over again. There was only one problem: The captain's parrot saw the shows each week and began to understand how the Magician did every trick.
Once he understood, he started shouting in the middle of the show, "Look, it's not the same hat!" or, "Look, he's hiding the flowers under the table!" Or "Hey, why are all the cards the ace of spades?"
The magician was furious but couldn't do anything. It was, after all, the Captain's parrot.
Then one stormy night on the Pacific, the ship unfortunately sank.
The magician luckily found himself on a piece of wood floating in the middle of the sea, as fate would have it ... With the parrot.
They stared at each other with hatred, but did not utter a word.
This went on for a day... And then 2 days. And then 3 days. Finally on the 4th day, the parrot could not hold back any longer and said...
"Okay, I give up. Where's the freaking ship??
My aunt bought a parrot. A cheap one in a shop. She was warned its previous home was in a brothel but because of the price she didn’t mind.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
If we're going for hopelessly corny jokes and not my awesome puns:
A magician was working on a cruise ship.
Since the audience was different each week, the magician did the same tricks over and over again. There was only one problem: The captain's parrot saw the shows each week and began to understand how the Magician did every trick.
Once he understood, he started shouting in the middle of the show, "Look, it's not the same hat!" or, "Look, he's hiding the flowers under the table!" Or "Hey, why are all the cards the ace of spades?"
The magician was furious but couldn't do anything. It was, after all, the Captain's parrot.
Then one stormy night on the Pacific, the ship unfortunately sank.
The magician luckily found himself on a piece of wood floating in the middle of the sea, as fate would have it ... With the parrot.
They stared at each other with hatred, but did not utter a word.
This went on for a day... And then 2 days. And then 3 days. Finally on the 4th day, the parrot could not hold back any longer and said...
"Okay, I give up. Where's the freaking ship??
My aunt bought a parrot. A cheap one in a shop. She was warned its previous home was in a brothel but because of the price she didn’t mind.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
Then her husband came home, late as usual.
“Hello Norman.” Said the Parrot.
Have you been whoreding that joke, just waiting for the right moment?
If we're going for hopelessly corny jokes and not my awesome puns:
A magician was working on a cruise ship.
Since the audience was different each week, the magician did the same tricks over and over again. There was only one problem: The captain's parrot saw the shows each week and began to understand how the Magician did every trick.
Once he understood, he started shouting in the middle of the show, "Look, it's not the same hat!" or, "Look, he's hiding the flowers under the table!" Or "Hey, why are all the cards the ace of spades?"
The magician was furious but couldn't do anything. It was, after all, the Captain's parrot.
Then one stormy night on the Pacific, the ship unfortunately sank.
The magician luckily found himself on a piece of wood floating in the middle of the sea, as fate would have it ... With the parrot.
They stared at each other with hatred, but did not utter a word.
This went on for a day... And then 2 days. And then 3 days. Finally on the 4th day, the parrot could not hold back any longer and said...
"Okay, I give up. Where's the freaking ship??
My aunt bought a parrot. A cheap one in a shop. She was warned its previous home was in a brothel but because of the price she didn’t mind.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
If we're going for hopelessly corny jokes and not my awesome puns:
A magician was working on a cruise ship.
Since the audience was different each week, the magician did the same tricks over and over again. There was only one problem: The captain's parrot saw the shows each week and began to understand how the Magician did every trick.
Once he understood, he started shouting in the middle of the show, "Look, it's not the same hat!" or, "Look, he's hiding the flowers under the table!" Or "Hey, why are all the cards the ace of spades?"
The magician was furious but couldn't do anything. It was, after all, the Captain's parrot.
Then one stormy night on the Pacific, the ship unfortunately sank.
The magician luckily found himself on a piece of wood floating in the middle of the sea, as fate would have it ... With the parrot.
They stared at each other with hatred, but did not utter a word.
This went on for a day... And then 2 days. And then 3 days. Finally on the 4th day, the parrot could not hold back any longer and said...
"Okay, I give up. Where's the freaking ship??
My aunt bought a parrot. A cheap one in a shop. She was warned its previous home was in a brothel but because of the price she didn’t mind.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No. They need context and I need paying.
You get my thread headers for free.
I’ll give you a joke for free.
One in four frogs is a leap frog 😃
There are two fish in a tank
One turns to the other and says “so how do you drive this thing?”
Well, if the tank is a M24 Chaffee, there are two pedals, two levers for steering and additional levers for adjusting the transmission. You can see more here:
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No. They need context and I need paying.
You get my thread headers for free.
I’ll give you a joke for free.
One in four frogs is a leap frog 😃
Badoom tish!
An Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman walk out a bar. The Englishman wanted to go so they all had to leave. 😃
If those are representative of your jokes, small bleeding wonder nobody pays you.
Like you Doctor, I was at the cricket. And I was wondering, why is the ball getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then it hit me.
Gordon Bennett. I am genuinely stumped as to how to respond.
You are an intelligent guy, do you know how many chameleons sneaked aboard the ark ?
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No. They need context and I need paying.
You get my thread headers for free.
I’ll give you a joke for free.
One in four frogs is a leap frog 😃
Badoom tish!
An Englishman, a Scotsman and an Irishman walk out a bar. The Englishman wanted to go so they all had to leave. 😃
If those are representative of your jokes, small bleeding wonder nobody pays you.
Like you Doctor, I was at the cricket. And I was wondering, why is the ball getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And then it hit me.
Gordon Bennett. I am genuinely stumped as to how to respond.
You are an intelligent guy, do you know how many chameleons sneaked aboard the ark ?
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?
A 2 seater aeroplane has crashed landed in a Dublin cemetery- so far Irish police have recovered over 200 bodies.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiations
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.
Am I right in thinking the Northern Ireland Assembly will now have some say over the backstop?
Yes after 4 years it votes whether to stay aligned with the EU or by default moves to the UK rules which are likely to have diverged by then.
Big problem for the EU and Ireland is this effectively gives the DUP a veto . There’s no way they’ll agree to that .
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiations
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.
Dismay in Brussels as Boris Johnson finally reveals Brexit plan Michel Barnier scathing in his reaction, describing PM’s Irish border proposals as a trap
Dismay in Brussels as Boris Johnson finally reveals Brexit plan Michel Barnier scathing in his reaction, describing PM’s Irish border proposals as a trap
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, a Derby County fan turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night...."
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No, don't, that's how music hall died. Once someone had seen an act on TV, nobody would pay to go and see it live.
Bring back the good old days!
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
I used to steal cars from a multi-storey car park. It was wrong on so many levels. As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents" My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, an Irishman turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night”
You know that using an 'Irishman' as a signifier for stupidity is quite offensive @Charles?
On hearing one engine on a plane has failed, resulting in a 1 hour delay to the flight, a Tory-Boy turns to his neighbour and says “if the other one goes we’ll be up here all night...."
Dismay in Brussels as Boris Johnson finally reveals Brexit plan Michel Barnier scathing in his reaction, describing PM’s Irish border proposals as a trap
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiations
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.
Looked at another way, how ironic that after the best part of a 1000 years of treating Ireland terribly, the British are now in the process of being saved from a self-inflicted Brexit calamity by the Irish.
We don't deserve such good neighbours, we really don't.
Peter Sissons was one of the presenters on the BBC's iconic 1992 election night coverage, regarded by many psephological anoraks as one of the best ever election shows. This is the for the first 5 minutes or so of that programme.
Very sobering to watch that programme now, and to have to confront the reality that so many of those who appeared are no longer alive - John Cole - Anthony King - Peter Sissons - Paddy Ashdown - John Smith - Donald Dewar - Robin Cook. Tempus fugit.
On the contrary, the EU will think (probably correctly) that Northern Ireland will love a backstop that sees them both in the EU and the UK. There will businesses that setup in the province to benefit from that dual status.
And removing it will therefore always become something for another day.
I would also like to point out that this is almost exactly what I predicted, and which I was poopooed about on here.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiations
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.
Looked at another way, how ironic that after the best part of a 1000 years of treating Ireland terribly, the British are now in the process of being saved from a self-inflicted Brexit calamity by the Irish.
We don't deserve such good neighbours, we really don't.
I can confirm they want to save us for their own benefit, not ours. Nobody wants our corpse in the pool.
This video is so interesting I've watched it about three or four times already. It helps to explain what's gone wrong with liberalism over the last 10 to 15 years.
With all due respect, but this new proposal does not place NI in both the UK and the EU.
HMG have moved from their proposal of:
"Let's substitute the impending hard NI/RoI border with two hard borders, demarking a no-mans land - exactly around that highly contested border region - which will be uncontrollable."
to their new proposal of:
"Let's replace the impending hard NI/RoI border with a hard NI/RoI customs border plus a hard NI/UK regulatory border, and to round out the picture, let's place an explosive devise underneath it all and hand the trigger for that to Arlene and the troglodytes."
It is no surprise that the entire NI business community (CBI NI, FSB NI, Manufacturing NI, etc.) have immediately rejected the new proposals.
The EU side is merely searching for a formulation of the rejection that is as polite and well explained as possible, to deflect the blame back to where it belongs.
They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Sounds like a description of the Brexit negotiations
Varadkar bears much of the blame for the last 2 years.
One of the many ironies of the Brexit debacle is the fact that the support of the EU enables the Irish to dictate terms to the British. For the past 1000 years or so the British have had the whip hand in that relationship - you can hardly blame the Irish for taking advantage of the position that the Tories have so foolishly gifted them.
Looked at another way, how ironic that after the best part of a 1000 years of treating Ireland terribly, the British are now in the process of being saved from a self-inflicted Brexit calamity by the Irish.
We don't deserve such good neighbours, we really don't.
I can confirm they want to save us for their own benefit, not ours. Nobody wants our corpse in the pool.
Well that's a fair point. Nevertheless, given how badly this island has treated their island over 100s of years, I still find it remarkable that they are coming to our rescue in this way.
Well I may be crazy but I still think there's going to be a deal done on 17th/18th October, Boris will present it to Parliament on 21st (or 19th if there's a rare Saturday sitting) and we'll leave with WA on 31st.
Peter Sissons was one of the presenters on the BBC's iconic 1992 election night coverage, regarded by many psephological anoraks as one of the best ever election shows. This is the for the first 5 minutes or so of that programme.
Very sobering to watch that programme now, and to have to confront the reality that so many of those who appeared are no longer alive - John Cole - Anthony King - Peter Sissons - Paddy Ashdown - John Smith - Donald Dewar - Robin Cook. Tempus fugit.
Who can forget the death of Tempus Fugit? Taken from us too soon. RIP, dear dear friend.
Well I may be crazy but I still think there's going to be a deal done on 17th/18th October, Boris will present it to Parliament on 21st (or 19th if there's a rare Saturday sitting) and we'll leave with WA on 31st.
You probably are crazy to think that; alternatively you may be proved right.
This is the sort of orchestration and rallying of support that Nabavi was expecting for Theresa May's deal to create the psychological pressure for other people to fall into line.
Well I may be crazy but I still think there's going to be a deal done on 17th/18th October, Boris will present it to Parliament on 21st (or 19th if there's a rare Saturday sitting) and we'll leave with WA on 31st.
But the PM legally has to send the extension letter after the 19th.
Watching the Tory party conference on the news makes one realise what an enormous group of tosspots Conservative members have become....just an observation, but methinks a good one...
This is the sort of orchestration and rallying of support that Nabavi was expecting for Theresa May's deal to create the psychological pressure for other people to fall into line.
I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co.... In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
If we're going for hopelessly corny jokes and not my awesome puns:
A magician was working on a cruise ship.
Since the audience was different each week, the magician did the same tricks over and over again. There was only one problem: The captain's parrot saw the shows each week and began to understand how the Magician did every trick.
Once he understood, he started shouting in the middle of the show, "Look, it's not the same hat!" or, "Look, he's hiding the flowers under the table!" Or "Hey, why are all the cards the ace of spades?"
The magician was furious but couldn't do anything. It was, after all, the Captain's parrot.
Then one stormy night on the Pacific, the ship unfortunately sank.
The magician luckily found himself on a piece of wood floating in the middle of the sea, as fate would have it ... With the parrot.
They stared at each other with hatred, but did not utter a word.
This went on for a day... And then 2 days. And then 3 days. Finally on the 4th day, the parrot could not hold back any longer and said...
"Okay, I give up. Where's the freaking ship??
My aunt bought a parrot. A cheap one in a shop. She was warned its previous home was in a brothel but because of the price she didn’t mind.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
Then her husband came home, late as usual.
“Hello Norman.” Said the Parrot.
Both v old jokes ...
Surely egg is providing us with yolks?
Very old yokes, from when walls had ears and lions had tea shops.
The pun thread seems a suitable way to round off the conference season.
With this shambles of a proposal from Boris getting laughed out in Brussels, and public opinion now swinging strongly against Brexit, maybe we should consider the possibility that Brexit will never happen?
Really sad to hear of the death of Jessye Norman. A superb singer. Her recording of Strauss’s 4 Last Songs is sublime. One of my 10 Desert Island discs.
Anyway one talk down, one to go. They stayed awake, laughed at the jokes and asked questions at the end. So am assuming not a disaster.....
Go on, share one of the jokes.
No. They need context and I need paying.
You get my thread headers for free.
I’ll give you a joke for free.
One in four frogs is a leap frog 😃
There are two fish in a tank
One turns to the other and says “so how do you drive this thing?”
Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw who moved to Haiti?
I feel less confident tonight having heard from Verhofstadt and co.... In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
I’ve seen less twat tweets mocking Dom’s war games though - may just be coincidence..
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and by the way, well said
Velcro - what a rip off!
Two Elephants fell off a cliff. Boom Boom.
When I was at school, kids used to throw gold bars at me. I was the victim of bullion.
Exit signs are on the way out.
I can't tell you for legal reasons!!
you can't wash your hands in a buffalo...
[robot voice]. An elbow
That and making customs part of it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/02/worlds-largest-betting-firm-created-with-10bn-tsg-takeover-flutter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7528979/Ex-BBC-ITN-newsreader-Peter-Sissons-died-age-77.html
Clown.
She took it home.
“Nice new gaff. Nice new gaff” said the parrot.
Then her daughters came in.
“Nice new girls. Nice new girls.” Said the parrot.
Then her husband came home, late as usual.
“Hello Norman.” Said the Parrot.
Never knew the conservatives had 494 MPs. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIqQ3tWAfVI
🥕
22 carrots.
I shall go to bed and try to forget it.
She was not amused. Ever.
As my father once said: "Son, never quote your parents"
My dad was a pilot. I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like he did. Not screaming in fear like his passengers did.
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/jokes/tim-vine-best-jokes-and-one-liners-495010
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1179497360415756295
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1179498634443804672?s=20
What's the book on this question?
"Lots could have been different but for the actions taken by the previous government that drove the country into a cul-de-sac"
Er, that's the previous Tory government that you Boris were a member of.
Michel Barnier scathing in his reaction, describing PM’s Irish border proposals as a trap
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/boris-johnson-unveils-brexit-plan-for-alternative-to-backstop?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet
I don't know what he laced them with but I've been tripping ever since.
Trombones.
Better?
We don't deserve such good neighbours, we really don't.
"Interview with John Gray on political populism"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hC5nXXJrV8
Better for you?
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1179503468593201152?s=21
Who knows? Interesting times indeed.
Grandma on washing day.
In terms of the 'sources', of course it's easy to find sources to confirm any position.
The EU's presumably so where do the intra Island/border checks come in?
Edit: a hippy walks into Domino's and says to the guy there: "make me one with everything".
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1179502966606352386?s=21
The pun thread seems a suitable way to round off the conference season.