Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
Hmm, I normally do, but he isn't funny anymore. I guess he must be going through the stages of grief. Currently in the stage of denial that Boris is probably as crap as we all told him he was!
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
yet you always reply to them
Calm down Dear. The way to remove Boris if he really is so bad is for the opposition to agree to a General Election. For some reason they seem reluctant!
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
yet you always reply to them
Guilty as charged Mr Brooke. I should resist.
Carry on but perhaps dont hold back your real thoughts as much, say it how you see it!
One possibility we are ignoring: what if the E.U. decides to offer an extension (or ‘impose’ one under the terms of the Surrender Act).. and they decide it will be 5 years?
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Have you considered the optics of Boris coming back from the European Council summit empty handed and then resigning? He will look like a total loser.
No, Boris will say the EU has refused to scrap the backstop and rather than do a May and agree Munich Agreement 2 or extend again and betray Brexit he will lead the Tories into opposition on a Brexit Deal or No Deal platform and prepare the next stage of the war with the die hard Remainers
But there will be no "Deal or No Deal" platform at that point. It could only be No Deal, and he doesn't believe in it.
No he would say it needs No Deal as a threat to get the EU to remove the backstop
Which immediately makes it clear that it's a bluff. The EU will not remove the backstop no matter how much Boris Johnson huffs and puffs.
As Leader of the Opposition what would Boris care, the Brexit Deal or No Deal commitment is all he needs to keep Leavers largely united behind him against the new Government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
One possibility we are ignoring: what if the E.U. decides to offer an extension (or ‘impose’ one under the terms of the Surrender Act).. and they decide it will be 5 years?
Cat pigeon collision.
Sounds like a sane plan and gives us time to actually work out what we want to do as we leave.
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
yet you always reply to them
Calm down Dear. The way to remove Boris if he really is so bad is for the opposition to agree to a General Election. For some reason they seem reluctant!
Aye, the reason is only parliament can stop Boris from crashing us out. Election will follow in very short order.
"UK to leave by October 31st down to a 20% chance"
I wondered whether the additional parliamentary time might make leaving-with-deal by 31 Oct more rather than less likely, since with prorogation the timetable for shoving a deal through would have been very tight. Though the implied probability of leaving with a deal by 31 Oct is only a few percent, Johnson must surely be highly incentivised to have a crack at it given current conditions? It is one of his few escape routes.
I may be missing something here as I can't seem to work my brain around the current implied probabilities at all. Eg the 12% chance (32%-20%) of leaving this year in Nov or Dec - I can't see many likely routes to that, as surely any further extension - should one be granted, which is probable - will be more than two months, and the chances of parliament passing a deal with time to spare (rather than either taking things to the wire or making acceptance of a deal contingent on an additional GE or referendum, which both pushes likely timescale back and increases the probability of Brexit being blocked electorally) seem low.
One possibility we are ignoring: what if the E.U. decides to offer an extension (or ‘impose’ one under the terms of the Surrender Act).. and they decide it will be 5 years?
Cat pigeon collision.
Parliament has to assent or decline. Because we Took Back Control.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
short term, house prices will crash because of the new houses on the market and rents will rise because of the number of rental properties being reduced. Long term, it will find a new balance but it won't be pretty.
Given Boris will resign as PM by October 31st rather than extend if a new Brexit Deal has not been agreed with the EU and approved by Parliament by then and given the LDs will vote down a Corbyn government as will Tory anti No Deal rebels only a PM acceptable to the LDs and Tory rebels will do. That probably means PM Ken Clarke or maybe PM Harman or PM Beckett by the end of October.
Boris will be Leader of the Opposition regardless with Corbyn forced to prop up a Clarke or Harman premiership until extension has been passed and Boris then pushes a VONC he will have to support
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
yet you always reply to them
Calm down Dear. The way to remove Boris if he really is so bad is for the opposition to agree to a General Election. For some reason they seem reluctant!
Oh dear, do you really swallow that line, or do you not normally follow politics?
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
I can only conclude that HYUFD stands for 'Here's your useless f***ing data.'
It seems ironic that after 40 years of government promoting so-called 'choice and competition' the two main political parties refuse to allow a 'liberalisation of the political market'. Hence a long-running duopoly/protection racket in which both trade on fear of the other and make some people scared to vote for smaller parties.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
You chose to rent it out. You didnt have to. Probably because you think you will make more money from it. Perfectly rational and fine from your point of view.
However, your commercial decision is hugely subsidised by the govts QE, ownership of the banks offering buy to let loans, housing benefit and help to buy props.
Without them you would have sold as people did before 2000 whenever they moved house. It was a far better system and cheaper for the tax payer.
One of the key achievements of Thatcher was creating aspiration for home ownership and the environment that made it achievable for most through hard work.
It has been taken away from the younger generations today to give subsidised profits to buy to let over 50s. That realistic aspiration needs to be returned to future generations.
One possibility we are ignoring: what if the E.U. decides to offer an extension (or ‘impose’ one under the terms of the Surrender Act).. and they decide it will be 5 years?
Cat pigeon collision.
Parliament can still refuse. Would be interesting to see what would happen if that was put to the Nandyites...
Could big drug companies just withdraw from the UK?
What % of the market does the UK comprise?
Might they just say "OK, we won't bother doing any business in the UK. Bye!"
It wouldn't be overnight - there is a very large amount of infrastructure here. But it would move fairly rapidly in that direction.
The border checks in Ireland to protect the EU pharmaceutical industry would be... interesting.
Quite how this fits with 'closely aligned to the single market' is a two pipe problem - opium pipe, that is.
Corbyn’s Speech makes it quite clear that he’s massively in favour of no deal Brexit, and I’m not sure all those fawning over him in the hall have worked that out yet.
Most of what he’s proposing is completely against EU law and single market regulations.
The stuff on IP is straight out of Venezuela.
To rapturous applause in a hall full of members [ some of em in the shadow cabinet] who'd struggle to spell pharmaceuticals let alone have a clue how it all works.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
short term, house prices will crash because of the new houses on the market and rents will rise because of the number of rental properties being reduced. Long term, it will find a new balance but it won't be pretty.
Indeed, and while prices are falling required deposits will rise, so it’ll become more difficult to buy with a mortgage. There’s a lot of moving parts in the housing market, and a delicate equilibrium to maintain.
Because Joe Biden got the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son fired?
More the fact that Trump withheld aid from Ukraine unless they did his bidding.
isnt that the point of aid ?
It is fine to the bidding of the country, not the personal bidding of the President.
you wont make much of a dictator with that attitude
Boris Johnson and Donald Trump have given the concept of Directly Elected Dictators a bad name.
it all went wrong when you introduced your policy on pineapples, if youd stuck to employment opportunities at docksides you could have been Emperor of Doncaster by now.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
Rents will go down. The properties dont disappear, they are either bought by another landlord (no change) or a former tenant becoming an owner.
The tenants who become owners will tend to be the better off tenants. Without them around the remaining landlords will have to drop prices to keep their properties occupied from the remaining tenants who have less income.
The funny thing was that was the biggest political issue like, for years, when it happened.
We had people on here getting angry about it for days on end.
Honestly George, the Treasury, and pretty much everyone who worked on the budget thought the cut in the higher rate of tax would dominate the reaction to the budget and were bemused and unprepared for the entire focus to be on pasties and caravans.
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
I can only conclude that HYUFD stands for 'Here's your useless f***ing data.'
It seems ironic that after 40 years of government promoting so-called 'choice and competition' the two main political parties refuse to allow a 'liberalisation of the political market'. Hence a long-running duopoly/protection racket in which both trade on fear of the other and make some people scared to vote for smaller parties.
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
I can only conclude that HYUFD stands for 'Here's your useless f***ing data.'
It seems ironic that after 40 years of government promoting so-called 'choice and competition' the two main political parties refuse to allow a 'liberalisation of the political market'. Hence a long-running duopoly/protection racket in which both trade on fear of the other and make some people scared to vote for smaller parties.
Well, I suppose there was a half hearted attempt under the coalition government. Most people don't worry about such things as the Boris, JRM and Corbyn led new establishment feed them on the Brexit Opiate and keep them ignorant of what is really democratically important.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
short term, house prices will crash because of the new houses on the market and rents will rise because of the number of rental properties being reduced. Long term, it will find a new balance but it won't be pretty.
Indeed, and while prices are falling required deposits will rise, so it’ll become more difficult to buy with a mortgage. There’s a lot of moving parts in the housing market, and a delicate equilibrium to maintain.
The issue here is that for a lot of people frozen out of the market, they don't give two hoots about maintaining the equilibrium. This is why issues like inequality really matter. If it's allowed to go too far, the realignment is certain to be messy and chaotic. It needs to be managed carefully. I don't see any party addressing this middle way right now.
The funny thing was that was the biggest political issue like, for years, when it happened.
We had people on here getting angry about it for days on end.
Honestly George, the Treasury, and pretty much everyone who worked on the budget thought the cut in the higher rate of tax would dominate the reaction to the budget and were bemused and unprepared for the entire focus to be on pasties and caravans.
The specific thread I was looking at was about MPs sitting in parliament with signs saying 'not silenced', the replies were not exactly cheering them to the rafters. But in general everybody seems quite animated about UK and us politics by which I mean apoplectic
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'm reminded of one of those Bible bashers who rail against depraved sodomites who turn out to have been secretly hiring every male escort in the Western hemisphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
I can only conclude that HYUFD stands for 'Here's your useless f***ing data.'
It seems ironic that after 40 years of government promoting so-called 'choice and competition' the two main political parties refuse to allow a 'liberalisation of the political market'. Hence a long-running duopoly/protection racket in which both trade on fear of the other and make some people scared to vote for smaller parties.
welcome to Belfast
It would be ironic if Brexit leads to the Alliance winning a majority in Northern Ireland, while English politics becomes sectarian.
One possibility we are ignoring: what if the E.U. decides to offer an extension (or ‘impose’ one under the terms of the Surrender Act).. and they decide it will be 5 years?
Cat pigeon collision.
Sounds like a sane plan and gives us time to actually work out what we want to do as we leave.
It's not a sane plan, because the country does not need more time, it's had plenty of time. If we don't leave soon we will never leave, if three years of arguments have not helped us agree 'what we want to do as we leave' an additional five years would not either.
What we are avoiding, public and politicians, is whether to continue on with the decision of the referendum (or rather parliament enacting the outcome of that referendum by invoking A50) or reverse it. We have a deal to do so and could agree it tomorrow. Theoretically other deals might be available, but they don't require five years to resolve (Boris reckoned he could do it in 30 days, Labour I think are saying 3 months?). If we don't want a deal at all we only need such time as we feel appropraite to prepare. If we don't want to leave at all we only need such time as to get a democratic endorsement of that, or for MPs to do it tomorrow if they did what they wanted and revoked.
So no, a really long extension is not a sane plan. It misstates the problem before us as one of confusion, when its actually a problem of will - a lack of will for deal, no deal or remain at the moment. If anything the less time we have the better, because that will see will to choose one of those options emerge.
When's the referendum on the backstop in Northern Ireland?
Requires a Tory majority after the next general election free of the DUP
At which point you will switch to the LDs.
Plus if Boris leads the Tories into opposition he will be deposed as he will appeal neither to the brexiter loons on the one hand or the trying to keep it together proper Conservatives on the other.
As I said you will long have departed to the LDs.
I respect democracy and Boris would have leavers largely united behind him in opposition against the government of diehard Remainer traitors to democracy
You really are an offensive little pillock. There are many people who support/supported remain who have served their country in the armed forces, and they don't need to be accused of being traitors by a pathetic little pipsqueak like you. Boris Johnson is the biggest threat to democracy and the rule of law that I can recall in my 40 odd years of following British politics. The other big threat is the ignorant blind unquestioning loyalty of fools like you. You are the type of person that despots rely on. Your posts are utterly ridiculous and your views are completely beneath contempt.
It seems to me he just wants to annoy people now.
Probably best to laugh at someone like that.
When you remember he voted Remain I'misphere.
I suspect that Boris probably voted Remain. It is a shame we will never know. Maybe one day there will be a damascene conversion followed by a confession.
I can only conclude that HYUFD stands for 'Here's your useless f***ing data.'
It seems ironic that after 40 years of goveme people scared to vote for smaller parties.
welcome to Belfast
It would be ironic if Brexit leads to the Alliance winning a majority in Northern Ireland, while English politics becomes sectarian.
Alliance can only gain if do gooder brits stay out. people arent pissed off enough yet to change the make up of Stormont, but its heading in the right direction,
The Brexit soap opera just keeps on providing bizarre entertainment. It is like watching a very slow car crash with the families inside not noticing what is happening because they are arguing over whether the satnav is providing the best directions.
Could big drug companies just withdraw from the UK?
What % of the market does the UK comprise?
Might they just say "OK, we won't bother doing any business in the UK. Bye!"
It wouldn't be overnight - there is a very large amount of infrastructure here. But it would move fairly rapidly in that direction.
The border checks in Ireland to protect the EU pharmaceutical industry would be... interesting.
Quite how this fits with 'closely aligned to the single market' is a two pipe problem - opium pipe, that is.
Corbyn’s Speech makes it quite clear that he’s massively in favour of no deal Brexit, and I’m not sure all those fawning over him in the hall have worked that out yet.
Most of what he’s proposing is completely against EU law and single market regulations.
The stuff on IP is straight out of Venezuela.
To rapturous applause in a hall full of members [ some of em in the shadow cabinet] who'd struggle to spell pharmaceuticals let alone have a clue how it all works.
I wonder how many Labour MPs would actually vote through these crazy policies? They’re not total idiots. They surely understand these Chavez-style ideas are insane and dangerous. And how many are secretly praying that Corbyn loses?
Could big drug companies just withdraw from the UK?
What % of the market does the UK comprise?
Might they just say "OK, we won't bother doing any business in the UK. Bye!"
It wouldn't be overnight - there is a very large amount of infrastructure here. But it would move fairly rapidly in that direction.
The border checks in Ireland to protect the EU pharmaceutical industry would be... interesting.
Quite how this fits with 'closely aligned to the single market' is a two pipe problem - opium pipe, that is.
Corbyn’s Speech makes it quite clear that he’s massively in favour of no deal Brexit, and I’m not sure all those fawning over him in the hall have worked that out yet.
Most of what he’s proposing is completely against EU law and single market regulations.
The stuff on IP is straight out of Venezuela.
To rapturous applause in a hall full of members [ some of em in the shadow cabinet] who'd struggle to spell pharmaceuticals let alone have a clue how it all works.
Wouldn't most people struggle to spell pharmaceuticals? It's like manoeuvre or Taoiseach.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
You chose to rent it out. You didnt have to. Probably because you think you will make more money from it. Perfectly rational and fine from your point of view.
However, your commercial decision is hugely subsidised by the govts QE, ownership of the banks offering buy to let loans, housing benefit and help to buy props.
Without them you would have sold as people did before 2000 whenever they moved house. It was a far better system and cheaper for the tax payer.
One of the key achievements of Thatcher was creating aspiration for home ownership and the environment that made it achievable for most through hard work.
It has been taken away from the younger generations today to give subsidised profits to buy to let over 50s. That realistic aspiration needs to be returned to future generations.
The specific thread I was looking at was about MPs sitting in parliament with signs saying 'not silenced', the replies were not exactly cheering them to the rafters. But in general everybody seems quite animated about UK and us politics by which I mean apoplectic
Well I for one am so relieved our MPs can reconvene tomorrow. They’ll now be able to quickly ,rationally, studiously and effectively resolve Brexit in the spirit of compromise and selflessness for the national good. Thank god they’ll be allowed back. The chaos of them not being there was beginning to seriously worry me.
The Coalition was a pretty decent time all told. Not without problems, but with governments 'a bit crappy' is not a bad result. I wanted the coalition to continue personally, but the public punished the LDs too much, to the point now no one will ever agree a formal coalition again in living memory (even as everyone talks of unity).
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
Rents will go down. The properties dont disappear, they are either bought by another landlord (no change) or a former tenant becoming an owner.
The tenants who become owners will tend to be the better off tenants. Without them around the remaining landlords will have to drop prices to keep their properties occupied from the remaining tenants who have less income.
It only works like that at the margin. When public policy changes cause one side or the other to change behaviour en masse, the effects can be quite dramatic in the short term.
Also, demand for property to buy is much more related to supply and demand for mortgage finance, than anything else.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Leavers wanted sovereignty and that’s exactly what they’ve got .
British judges deciding on British law . What’s not to like unless of course the decision doesn’t go your way!
It's the blatancy of some of the responses stating just that which gets me. Their judgement means they are lefty remainiacs, so by implication they would be right wing Brexiteers if they had ruled the other way, and that's no better.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Eh? Just because he's First Secretary of State doesn't mean he would get picked to be the next PM by the Tories. That's not the case even when we had a Deputy PM, precedence in government hierarchies might not translate to being better able to command the confidence of the House.
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
short term, house prices will crash because of the new houses on the market and rents will rise because of the number of rental properties being reduced. Long term, it will find a new balance but it won't be pretty.
Indeed, and while prices are falling required deposits will rise, so it’ll become more difficult to buy with a mortgage. There’s a lot of moving parts in the housing market, and a delicate equilibrium to maintain.
The issue here is that for a lot of people frozen out of the market, they don't give two hoots about maintaining the equilibrium. This is why issues like inequality really matter. If it's allowed to go too far, the realignment is certain to be messy and chaotic. It needs to be managed carefully. I don't see any party addressing this middle way right now.
The SNP seem to be almost the only party in power who are trying to do something - at least in such things as taxation, benefits (prescriptions, buses, bedroom tax) and housing policy. Very often my walk takes me past a wee close of council houses built a few years ago. There are 12, I think; that's about twice as many as the Slab-SLD coalition did in two whole terms - for the whole of Scotland. And they look nice, decent places to live at least by the standards of modern housing.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Javid is senior isn't he?
I think Raab is the senior cabinet minister, but yes they could pick anyone. It's just amusing the go to guy in an emergency would be Raab lol
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Javid is senior isn't he?
He’s not sound on Brexit. It would have to be Priti Patel.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Javid is senior isn't he?
He’s not sound on Brexit. It would have to be Priti Patel.
Which ones are keen on breaking the law to get no deal? That would be most popular with Tory members, and therefore MPs.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Eh? Just because he's First Secretary of State doesn't mean he would get picked to be the next PM by the Tories. That's not the case even when we had a Deputy PM, precedence in government hierarchies might not translate to being better able to command the confidence of the House.
ITV headlines not buying the semantics from Team Johnson
"The Supreme Court rules that Boris Johnson abused his power and misled the Queen"
Half correct.
Even if Lady Hale did not herself say that he misled the Queen, didn't she uphold the Scottish court's judgement in full (including their comment that he misled the Queen)?
I like the idea that Corbyn has that all the UK drugs companies will simply acquiesce with his barmy plans, “in return for their publicly funded research grants”. Without for one instant contemplating the idea that they might decide, that, on balance, they might be better off seeking them somewhere else.
Perhaps his cunning plan is to allow unlimited immigration and physically prevent anyone leaving?
Leavers wanted sovereignty and that’s exactly what they’ve got .
British judges deciding on British law . What’s not to like unless of course the decision doesn’t go your way!
It's the blatancy of some of the responses stating just that which gets me. Their judgement means they are lefty remainiacs, so by implication they would be right wing Brexiteers if they had ruled the other way, and that's no better.
Agreed. They made a ruling on the basis of an interpretation of law. Very simple. Very unlikely that all 11 were prepared to be seen as politically motivated. I cannot understand why anyone finds that difficult to understand unless they are somewhat dim witted or wish to stir up trouble
I feel sorry for @Stark_Dawning having his avatar stolen!
I'll change it back now.
I always liked that photo of Dave
I keep on meaning to do a thread comparing No Dealers to Pétain.
Both made their people suffer when they should have been heroes.
Great War or 1940s? (I know, I know, he did a lot to restore morale amongst the poilus after the mutinies in the trenches).
Both, I find Pétain a fascinating character.
I think he was given a hospital pass in 1940 yet he made a terrible decision worse.
In November 1942, Vichy forces opened fire on Anglo-US forces in North Africa. But they didn't do anything to resist the Germans taking over the Unoccupied Zone, except for scuttling the French Fleet three weeks later.
The Coalition was a pretty decent time all told. Not without problems, but with governments 'a bit crappy' is not a bad result. I wanted the coalition to continue personally, but the public punished the LDs too much, to the point now no one will ever agree a formal coalition again in living memory (even as everyone talks of unity).
Apart from the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, which is a major source of the big mess we’re in right now!
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Eh? Just because he's First Secretary of State doesn't mean he would get picked to be the next PM by the Tories. That's not the case even when we had a Deputy PM, precedence in government hierarchies might not translate to being better able to command the confidence of the House.
If Boris dies tomorrow, Raab is next in line
Guardian says: "Dominic Raab is first secretary of state as well as foreign secretary, which makes him Johnson’s de facto deputy. But, unlike other first secretaries of state, he is outranked by the chancellor, Sajid Javid, in the cabinet’s pecking order. (Ministers are ranked in order of seniority.) In practice, if Johnson were to go, he and colleagues would have to agree who to recommend go the Queen as interim PM, pending a Conservative leadership election. Given that the Conservative party is now a firmly pro-Brexit party, and Javid voted remain, it probably would be Raab."
Yes, sorry, I usually avoid the term 'ordinary people'. It's silly.
What I meant by it in that post was people not particularly well off.
Like checkout staff at Tesco. Just as an example.
the Jezzaplan will make it a bad time to be a housebuilder or a buy for let landlord.
Re buy to let landlords, so it should!
There are plenty of people classed as "buy to let" that aren't really. I had to move from one city to another so am having to rent out my flat. Should people like me be clobbered with ridiculous taxes and unable to pay rent, or else have to sell in a fire sale in a depressed market?
Same position here.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
Rents will go down. The properties dont disappear, they are either bought by another landlord (no change) or a former tenant becoming an owner.
The tenants who become owners will tend to be the better off tenants. Without them around the remaining landlords will have to drop prices to keep their properties occupied from the remaining tenants who have less income.
It only works like that at the margin. When public policy changes cause one side or the other to change behaviour en masse, the effects can be quite dramatic in the short term.
Also, demand for property to buy is much more related to supply and demand for mortgage finance, than anything else.
Mortgage finance is another issue where the system is biased against the young. For the same occupier, the state owned banks will lend more to a landlord than an owner using the occupiers income. It is hugely unfair and a state handout to the already wealthy at the expense of the young.
Hilarity on Twitter though on this - McDonnell calls on Tories to oust Boris presumably to avoid a GE. Its pointed out Raab is first secretary of state, Labour calling for DominIc Raab to be PM!
Javid is senior isn't he?
I think Raab is the senior cabinet minister, but yes they could pick anyone. It's just amusing the go to guy in an emergency would be Raab lol
I was taking my lead from here: "Dominic Raab is first secretary of state as well as foreign secretary, which makes him Johnson’s de facto deputy. But, unlike other first secretaries of state, he is outranked by the chancellor, Sajid Javid, in the cabinet’s pecking order. (Ministers are ranked in order of seniority.) In practice, if Johnson were to go, he and colleagues would have to agree who to recommend go the Queen as interim PM, pending a Conservative leadership election. Given that the Conservative party is now a firmly pro-Brexit party, and Javid voted remain, it probably would be Raab."
The Coalition was a pretty decent time all told. Not without problems, but with governments 'a bit crappy' is not a bad result. I wanted the coalition to continue personally, but the public punished the LDs too much, to the point now no one will ever agree a formal coalition again in living memory (even as everyone talks of unity).
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Both made their people suffer when they should have been heroes.
The way to remove Boris if he really is so bad is for the opposition to agree to a General Election. For some reason they seem reluctant!
Cat pigeon collision.
Still better than Asda though.
No Deal and Corbyn are going to painfully feck this country like dry anal never before, and I'm one of life's optimists.
What do we think happens to rents, when supply of property for rent is massively reduced?
Get a girlfriend.
Buy a boat.
Anything.
I wondered whether the additional parliamentary time might make leaving-with-deal by 31 Oct more rather than less likely, since with prorogation the timetable for shoving a deal through would have been very tight. Though the implied probability of leaving with a deal by 31 Oct is only a few percent, Johnson must surely be highly incentivised to have a crack at it given current conditions? It is one of his few escape routes.
I may be missing something here as I can't seem to work my brain around the current implied probabilities at all. Eg the 12% chance (32%-20%) of leaving this year in Nov or Dec - I can't see many likely routes to that, as surely any further extension - should one be granted, which is probable - will be more than two months, and the chances of parliament passing a deal with time to spare (rather than either taking things to the wire or making acceptance of a deal contingent on an additional GE or referendum, which both pushes likely timescale back and increases the probability of Brexit being blocked electorally) seem low.
About 0.5% of UK citizens work in pharma or life sci, and the same percentage are Jewish.
Long term, it will find a new balance but it won't be pretty.
It seems ironic that after 40 years of government promoting so-called 'choice and competition' the two main political parties refuse to allow a 'liberalisation of the political market'. Hence a long-running duopoly/protection racket in which both trade on fear of the other and make some people scared to vote for smaller parties.
However, your commercial decision is hugely subsidised by the govts QE, ownership of the banks offering buy to let loans, housing benefit and help to buy props.
Without them you would have sold as people did before 2000 whenever they moved house. It was a far better system and cheaper for the tax payer.
One of the key achievements of Thatcher was creating aspiration for home ownership and the environment that made it achievable for most through hard work.
It has been taken away from the younger generations today to give subsidised profits to buy to let over 50s. That realistic aspiration needs to be returned to future generations.
We had people on here getting angry about it for days on end.
The tenants who become owners will tend to be the better off tenants. Without them around the remaining landlords will have to drop prices to keep their properties occupied from the remaining tenants who have less income.
This is why issues like inequality really matter. If it's allowed to go too far, the realignment is certain to be messy and chaotic. It needs to be managed carefully. I don't see any party addressing this middle way right now.
What we are avoiding, public and politicians, is whether to continue on with the decision of the referendum (or rather parliament enacting the outcome of that referendum by invoking A50) or reverse it. We have a deal to do so and could agree it tomorrow. Theoretically other deals might be available, but they don't require five years to resolve (Boris reckoned he could do it in 30 days, Labour I think are saying 3 months?). If we don't want a deal at all we only need such time as we feel appropraite to prepare. If we don't want to leave at all we only need such time as to get a democratic endorsement of that, or for MPs to do it tomorrow if they did what they wanted and revoked.
So no, a really long extension is not a sane plan. It misstates the problem before us as one of confusion, when its actually a problem of will - a lack of will for deal, no deal or remain at the moment. If anything the less time we have the better, because that will see will to choose one of those options emerge.
"The Supreme Court rules that Boris Johnson abused his power and misled the Queen"
British judges deciding on British law . What’s not to like unless of course the decision doesn’t go your way!
Also, demand for property to buy is much more related to supply and demand for mortgage finance, than anything else.
I think he was given a hospital pass in 1940 yet he made a terrible decision worse.
Perhaps his cunning plan is to allow unlimited immigration and physically prevent anyone leaving?
"Dominic Raab is first secretary of state as well as foreign secretary, which makes him Johnson’s de facto deputy. But, unlike other first secretaries of state, he is outranked by the chancellor, Sajid Javid, in the cabinet’s pecking order. (Ministers are ranked in order of seniority.) In practice, if Johnson were to go, he and colleagues would have to agree who to recommend go the Queen as interim PM, pending a Conservative leadership election. Given that the Conservative party is now a firmly pro-Brexit party, and Javid voted remain, it probably would be Raab."
"Dominic Raab is first secretary of state as well as foreign secretary, which makes him Johnson’s de facto deputy. But, unlike other first secretaries of state, he is outranked by the chancellor, Sajid Javid, in the cabinet’s pecking order. (Ministers are ranked in order of seniority.) In practice, if Johnson were to go, he and colleagues would have to agree who to recommend go the Queen as interim PM, pending a Conservative leadership election. Given that the Conservative party is now a firmly pro-Brexit party, and Javid voted remain, it probably would be Raab."