On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
Remain said no such thing. A Tory PM said that possibly.
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
Remain said no such thing. A Tory PM said that possibly.
The official remain campaign stated it:
If Britain opts to leave Europe we will immediately begin negotiations with the European Commission about our exit from the European Union. This vote is irreversible.
Stephen Twigg, he of course 'owns' the iconic Portillo defeat in 1997. He does not represent a marginal and is standing down but that would be a significant development if he was leaving Labour.
Can see the Liverpool link but very much below the radar. Top spot if you are right!
That would make a really good television clip on the news as they would have shown the Portillo moment and then probably add that he might be a symbolic sign of a new radically different political landscape...
At least five dead, divers sent into the motorway tunnel just half a kilometer up the road to see if anyone is still trapped. Never seen anything like it in my life. It’s raining again
At least five dead, divers sent into the motorway tunnel just half a kilometer up the road to see if anyone is still trapped. Never seen anything like it in my life.
At least five dead, divers sent into the motorway tunnel just half a kilometer up the road to see if anyone is still trapped. Never seen anything like it in my life.
some context?
Alicante “gota fria” AP7 should get you there other wise Pilar de la Horadada ap7 or just Alicante or Murcia news
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.
B******s. If I'm a Remoaner, you're a Brexshit but I'm sad that you resort to insulting people who hold different views. It's usually an act of weakness ...
FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.
I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.
If you resort to outright lies and attacks on basic democracy then I will call you for the lying Remoaner you really are.
Ok the defection rumour guy says several sources, current labour mp, newer intake, surprising but in hindsight inevitable, says no to Kyke, Streeting, Cooper, no comment to suggestions of Jess P and Keir Starmer
Ok the defection rumour guy says several sources, current labour mp, newer intake, surprising but in hindsight inevitable, says no to Kyke, Streeting, Cooper, no comment to suggestions of Jess P and Keir Starmer
Berger. She may have forgotten that she had already defected twice or was it three times !
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
Well he did have all his pint glasses marked with leave.eu so they should have a good idea
Ah, well, it's been a while since I've been to a wetherspoons and drink lemonade in half pint glasses anyway.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
Which they would have done had the leave supporters in the House of Commons not voted against leaving.
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
Be as rude as ever but Leavers do not want further extension by an overwhelming margin and Hillingdon voted Leave
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
Which they would have done had the leave supporters in the House of Commons not voted against leaving.
The idea that eithe remain or leave MPs are basing their decisions and votes on what the other side are doing is risible. I'm hugely mad at the ERG crowd for their refusal to vote for (this type of) leave, but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether any other MP considered that a deal was or was not worth voting for, they are responsible for their own choices.
Anyway nite nite pray for a quieter one never want to witness anything like last night ever again. 7-10:inches of rain in 10 hours is difficult to comprehend.
FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.
I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.
Be careful what you wish for. One thing is now clear to those of us who wish to leave the EU. The UK cannot leave unless a majority of our MPs want to, and if they don't they won't be guided by a referendum result that says that we should. So the rules of the game have changed, and future referenda can be disregarded and we can be guided solely by parliament.
However, given that the parties seem to be realigning into two blocs firmly in favour of favour and against Brexit, then at some stage in the future whether it be in 1 month or 10 years time, the former bloc is probably going to gain a majority in parliament. And there will be no need to bother with a referendum, which will speed up the process no end.
Anyway nite nite pray for a quieter one never want to witness anything like last night ever again. 7-10:inches of rain in 10 hours is difficult to comprehend.
A ha! Canterbury Lib Dems cancelled last night's candidate selection..... Rosie Duffield fave to go!
Canterbury first Tory gain on election night then
Canterbury declared around 03:30 last time, when more than half of seats had declared - assuming vaguely similar times, a bit pessimistic aren't you if that's the first gain?
David Cameron 'Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly'.. 'Mr Cameron - who was prime minister between 2010 and 2016 - said Mr Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel had "left the truth at home" on the referendum campaign trail, especially when it came to immigration.'
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different". He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded. "I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating "There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
David Cameron 'Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly'.. 'Mr Cameron - who was prime minister between 2010 and 2016 - said Mr Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel had "left the truth at home" on the referendum campaign trail, especially when it came to immigration.'
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different". He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded. "I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating "There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
David Cameron 'Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly'.. 'Mr Cameron - who was prime minister between 2010 and 2016 - said Mr Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel had "left the truth at home" on the referendum campaign trail, especially when it came to immigration.'
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different". He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded. "I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating "There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
Dissing Boris and praising May - I assume you think he is not really a Conservative?
Where have I said that? I campaigned in the 2010 general election to get Cameron elected PM, in the 2017 election to get May reelected PM and am now campaigning to get Boris reelected PM.
For all his faults Cameron did back the Withdrawal Agreement unlike diehard Remainers like Grieve and Greening and Gyimah and Lee.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
He lost the EU ref, which is a big deal, but I'd definitely take Coalition PM Cameron over what we have now, and I don't think a single event means everything else is irrelevant. Even Blair, now judged solely on Iraq, does not have his good parts erased.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
I would rather have David Cameron as PM, than the first rate idiot who currently gets to work in No.10!
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Remain “I promise to implement the results of the referendum”
Which they would have done had the leave supporters in the House of Commons not voted against leaving.
The idea that eithe remain or leave MPs are basing their decisions and votes on what the other side are doing is risible. I'm hugely mad at the ERG crowd for their refusal to vote for (this type of) leave, but that doesn't really have any bearing on whether any other MP considered that a deal was or was not worth voting for, they are responsible for their own choices.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was simply pointing out that leavers voted against leaving.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
I would rather have David Cameron as PM, than the first rate idiot who currently gets to work in No.10!
In fairness Johnson is an OE as well so Byronic's argument has some force.
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
Be as rude as ever but Leavers do not want further extension by an overwhelming margin and Hillingdon voted Leave
Sorry, but your posts are just wilfully stupid, and it's not rude to point that out - just accurate.
Just listen, and try to think: (1) Some people want to leave with No Deal (2) Some people want to remain (3) But many people who either voted to leave in the first place, or are willing to see the referendum result respected, view leaving without a deal as sheer lunacy.
So stop your stupid and/or dishonest misrepresentation of those who aren't crazy enough to support No Deal, as "diehard remainers."
David Cameron 'Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly'.. 'Mr Cameron - who was prime minister between 2010 and 2016 - said Mr Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel had "left the truth at home" on the referendum campaign trail, especially when it came to immigration.'
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different". He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded. "I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating "There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
Dissing Boris and praising May - I assume you think he is not really a Conservative?
Where have I said that? I campaigned in the 2010 general election to get Cameron elected PM, in the 2017 election to get May reelected PM and am now campaigning to get Boris reelected PM.
For all his faults Cameron did back the Withdrawal Agreement unlike diehard Remainers like Grieve and Greening and Gyimah and Lee.
Yes, but you shift on a dime depending on what the Tory policy of the present is, which is why I framed it as a question. Being against no deal, and being against the great Boris, is now enough for you to say MPs should be deselected and indeed kicked out of the party. So why wouldn't I assume it follows that since Cameron doesn't think no deal Brexit is good you would not consider him a Conservative?
If what the leader does is of no concern to you, you will still back them, I wonder how you can even bring yourself to campaign for them since it logically follows that you don't believe half of what you are saying - Boris fans trash May constantly, insist she was terrible, you cannot genuinely have thought May was great before and now believe she was terrible, so which one do you actually back?
I have read the comments David Cameron made about Michael Gove.
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
It’s SHITE being a Remainer! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the f*cking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Leavers. I don’t. They’re just w*nkers. We, on the other hand, LOST a referendum TO w*nkers. Can’t even find a decent referendum campaign to lose to. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, TSE, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any f*cking difference!
I have read the comments David Cameron made about Michael Gove.
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
It’s SHITE being a Remainer! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the f*cking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Leavers. I don’t. They’re just w*nkers. We, on the other hand, LOST a referendum TO w*nkers. Can’t even find a decent referendum campaign to lose to. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, TSE, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any f*cking difference!
Again, why are slandering wankers by comparing them to Gove?
David Cameron 'Johnson and Gove behaved appallingly'.. 'Mr Cameron - who was prime minister between 2010 and 2016 - said Mr Johnson, Mr Gove, Penny Mordaunt and Priti Patel had "left the truth at home" on the referendum campaign trail, especially when it came to immigration.'
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different". He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded. "I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating "There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
Dissing Boris and praising May - I assume you think he is not really a Conservative?
Where have I said that? I campaigned in the 2010 general election to get Cameron elected PM, in the 2017 election to get May reelected PM and am now campaigning to get Boris reelected PM.
For all his faults Cameron did back the Withdrawal Agreement unlike diehard Remainers like Grieve and Greening and Gyimah and Lee.
But you voted REMAIN in 2016! Why didn't you vote LEAVE?
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I was simply pointing out that leavers voted against leaving.
Which very few dispute. But the point you made, though you say you were not trying to make, was that Remainers was that Remainers would have implemented the results of the referndum had leave supporters not voted against leaving, since that was the comment you replied to. And it isn't universally true. Many remainers tried that, but hundreds never had any intention of implementing it, and have just been playing for time until it can be reversed.
That people like Baker and co gave them that opportunity, and get lauded as heroes for it, is maddening.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
He lost the EU ref, which is a big deal, but I'd definitely take Coalition PM Cameron over what we have now, and I don't think a single event means everything else is irrelevant. Even Blair, now judged solely on Iraq, does not have his good parts erased.
Losing the EU ref absolutely extinguishes everything else. What other stuff did he do? Cones hotline? Was that him? I forget.
And I forget because the error over the referendum was just epochally ginormous. nothing else matters in comparison,
At least Cameron himself has the self-awareness to admit this, in his BBC interview.
Good luck with that one. Author is really credible
The allegations are entirely credible, given they fit entirely with well documented evidence of support for terrorist outfits by Corbyn and McDonnell. The effort to brush away serious allegations just because other evidence has come out before is what Trump did. It is a stupid argument.
Corbyn and McDonnell are moral reprobates. Anyone that votes for them has a moral stain on their lives.
Good luck with that one. Author is really credible
The allegations are entirely credible, given they fit entirely with well documented evidence of support for terrorist outfits by Corbyn and McDonnell. The effort to brush away serious allegations just because other evidence has come out before is what Trump did. It is a stupid argument.
Corbyn and McDonnell are moral reprobates. Anyone that votes for them has a moral stain on their lives.
Good luck with that one. Author is really credible
I agree with your first sentence. Corbyn is a bad husband, a liar and a terrorist supporter? If people didn't know that, they haven't been paying attention. And if they haven't paid attention up to now, why would they in future?
But those facts do go some way towards explaining the otherwise inexplicable fact that he's considerably more hated and distrusted than the utter buffoon currently ruining, oops, running the country.
I have read the comments David Cameron made about Michael Gove.
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
It’s SHITE being a Remainer! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the f*cking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Leavers. I don’t. They’re just w*nkers. We, on the other hand, LOST a referendum TO w*nkers. Can’t even find a decent referendum campaign to lose to. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, TSE, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any f*cking difference!
Again, why are slandering wankers by comparing them to Gove?
Maybe he doesn't any more - after he discovered it caused him to sing IRA songs.....
lol - I remember that picture of an IRA funeral pallbearer that some say was Corbyn!
The problem with the IRA stuff is politicians have worked with them and although Brexit might blow Northern Ireland apart it is not a fraction as bad as the 1960s and 1970s.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
He lost the EU ref, which is a big deal, but I'd definitely take Coalition PM Cameron over what we have now, and I don't think a single event means everything else is irrelevant. Even Blair, now judged solely on Iraq, does not have his good parts erased.
Losing the EU ref absolutely extinguishes everything else. What other stuff did he do? Cones hotline? Was that him? I forget.
And I forget because the error over the referendum was just epochally ginormous. nothing else matters in comparison,
At least Cameron himself has the self-awareness to admit this, in his BBC interview.
Ironically both Cameron and Blair are probably more popular with the LDs than they are with their own party memberships now, Cameron is defined by leading the losing Remain campaign in the referendum and Blair by invading Iraq despite being reasonable PMs outside that
In other personal news, today was my last day at work. It's kind of scary really - a big step into the unknown.
Yes, I recall. It has been a very eventful year for many people: we've had deaths, injuries, even a knife attack. Your case no doubt feels big and scary, but let me assure you mature studentship is not a stupid idea: even if you colossally fuck it up it is the kind of thing that looks good to your next employers, who will be secretly impressed by your daring. There are disadvantages (money!) but as life choices go there are far worse and the potential upside is ginormous. Good luck and I hope you succeed.
I have read the comments David Cameron made about Michael Gove.
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
It’s SHITE being a Remainer! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the f*cking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Leavers. I don’t. They’re just w*nkers. We, on the other hand, LOST a referendum TO w*nkers. Can’t even find a decent referendum campaign to lose to. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, TSE, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any f*cking difference!
Again, why are slandering wankers by comparing them to Gove?
Rosie Duffield was the chair of Canterbury CLP so I assume she was pretty dedicated to the Labour Party. If she’s defecting then she must very disillusioned.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
He lost the EU ref, which is a big deal, but I'd definitely take Coalition PM Cameron over what we have now, and I don't think a single event means everything else is irrelevant. Even Blair, now judged solely on Iraq, does not have his good parts erased.
Losing the EU ref absolutely extinguishes everything else. What other stuff did he do? Cones hotline? Was that him? I forget
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
He, Lost. The. Unloseable. Referendum.
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
He lost the EU ref, which is a big deal, but I'd definitely take Coalition PM Cameron over what we have now, and I don't think a single event means everything else is irrelevant. Even Blair, now judged solely on Iraq, does not have his good parts erased.
To be fair to Cameron and Blair they are the only leaders to have won general election majorities for the past 27 years
In other personal news, today was my last day at work. It's kind of scary really - a big step into the unknown.
Yes, I recall. It has been a very eventful year for many people: we've had deaths, injuries, even a knife attack. Your case no doubt feels big and scary, but let me assure you mature studentship is not a stupid idea: even if you colossally fuck it up it is the kind of thing that looks good to your next employers, who will be secretly impressed by your daring. There are disadvantages (money!) but as life choices go there are far worse and the potential upside is ginormous. Good luck and I hope you succeed.
Thank you very much for your kind words of wisdom. I look forward to it with apprehension!
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
Be as rude as ever but Leavers do not want further extension by an overwhelming margin and Hillingdon voted Leave
Sorry, but your posts are just wilfully stupid, and it's not rude to point that out - just accurate.
Just listen, and try to think: (1) Some people want to leave with No Deal (2) Some people want to remain (3) But many people who either voted to leave in the first place, or are willing to see the referendum result respected, view leaving without a deal as sheer lunacy.
So stop your stupid and/or dishonest misrepresentation of those who aren't crazy enough to support No Deal, as "diehard remainers."
If they also voted down the Withdrawal Agreement they are diehard Remainers
Even I prefer a Deal to No Deal, only those who refuse to back either the Withdrawal Agreement or No Deal are diehard Remainers
Many ostensible Conservative Remainer "backers" of May's approach to Brexit were quite happy to for her to surrender at every turn to the EU. They knew that it would mean that what came before parliament had no chance and that when it failed it would inevitably fuel demands for the UK to vote again. They then sabotaged the attempts of the Johnson government to gain leverage to negotiate something better.
You should include them in your definition of diehard Remainers. The likes of Hammond, for example.
Ironically both Cameron and Blair are probably more popular with the LDs than they are with their own party memberships now, Cameron is defined by leading the losing Remain campaign in the referendum and Blair by invading Iraq despite being reasonable PMs outside that
You can be assured Blair has few friends in the LDs when it comes to Iraq. That was, as I recall, a policy the Conservatives enthusiastically supported under IDS in 2003-4. Perhaps it's the Conservatives who are the friends of Blair.
Losing the EU ref absolutely extinguishes everything else. What other stuff did he do? Cones hotline? Was that him? I forget.
And I forget because the error over the referendum was just epochally ginormous. nothing else matters in comparison,
At least Cameron himself has the self-awareness to admit this, in his BBC interview.
It doesn't matter if he admits it himself or not. People are remembered for epochal moments, but that is not all they are. If he was good, great or crappy as a PM generally that is worthwhile to know, rather than pretend that single things, however massively important, are the only things that matter. Was the country made a better place during the premierships of Camron, Blair, Thatcher and all the rest? Even if they had a dull premiership of staying the course with nothing memorable, that in itself might be an achievement. While memories are fresh and passions high of course the only things people care about are the big things, the big failures, but an unmemorable period of competency before a big failure would be a good premiership compared to one of complete chaos and uselessness.
It's just plain laziness to write off any PM based off single things, however important. It's worth considering all they did, including governing boringly but stably, and it might well be still conclude the big failure exceeds that. But a belched out 'dat person is a loser/evil, end of' is not being decisive, it's taking the easy route of not thinking about it, and proudly so.
I imagine history will be quite unkind on Cameron and his legacy because of Brexit. But what it won't do is ignore everything that came before, good bad or dull. It's important context for one thing.
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
Be as rude as ever but Leavers do not want further extension by an overwhelming margin and Hillingdon voted Leave
Sorry, but your posts are just wilfully stupid, and it's not rude to point that out - just accurate.
Just listen, and try to think: (1) Some people want to leave with No Deal (2) Some people want to remain (3) But many people who either voted to leave in the first place, or are willing to see the referendum result respected, view leaving without a deal as sheer lunacy.
So stop your stupid and/or dishonest misrepresentation of those who aren't crazy enough to support No Deal, as "diehard remainers."
If they also voted down the Withdrawal Agreement they are diehard Remainers
There are already energetic and high profile Labour and Lib Dem PPCs catfighting over who is the best challenger to Boris in Uxbridge. I strongly suspect all they'll do is suck inexperienced Momentum and FBPE activists away from much more winnable seats and breed resentment amongst middle class voters by not understanding canvassing.
So what would a rebel Remainer Tory trying to suicide bomb Boris add to that mix ? Absolutely nothing from his left they'll just split the vote. The space for an extra candidate from the Brexit Betrayal right.
Good luck with that one. Author is really credible
The allegations are entirely credible, given they fit entirely with well documented evidence of support for terrorist outfits by Corbyn and McDonnell. The effort to brush away serious allegations just because other evidence has come out before is what Trump did. It is a stupid argument.
Corbyn and McDonnell are moral reprobates. Anyone that votes for them has a moral stain on their lives.
12-13 million people have moral stains then. We really are screwed!
I have read the comments David Cameron made about Michael Gove.
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
It’s SHITE being a Remainer! We’re the lowest of the low. The scum of the f*cking Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the Leavers. I don’t. They’re just w*nkers. We, on the other hand, LOST a referendum TO w*nkers. Can’t even find a decent referendum campaign to lose to. We’re ruled by effete arseholes. It’s a SHITE state of affairs to be in, TSE, and ALL the fresh air in the world won’t make any f*cking difference!
Again, why are slandering wankers by comparing them to Gove?
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If Britain opts to leave Europe we will immediately begin negotiations with the European Commission about our exit from the European Union. This vote is irreversible.
https://www.strongerin.co.uk/the_referendum
The NE is fun but rarely has good sources (but they have great lawyers)
https://youtu.be/gUsKWsPcRXE?t=70
Rosie Duffield fave to go!
They can only hope the EU puts them out of their misery by saying no more extensions.....
https://twitter.com/NatEnquirer/status/1171516379737911303?s=20
However, given that the parties seem to be realigning into two blocs firmly in favour of favour and against Brexit, then at some stage in the future whether it be in 1 month or 10 years time, the former bloc is probably going to gain a majority in parliament. And there will be no need to bother with a referendum, which will speed up the process no end.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49694653
https://twitter.com/danbloom1/status/1172479561109557248?s=21
"I think we can get to a situation where we leave but we are friends, neighbours and partners. We can get there, but I would love to fast-forward to that moment because it's painful for the country and it's painful to watch."
'Speaking about the current prime minister's strategy, Mr Cameron said he "wants him to succeed", but his plan has "morphed into something quite different".
He said: "Taking the whip from hard-working Conservative MPs and sharp practices using prorogation of Parliament have rebounded.
"I didn't support either of those things. Neither do I think a no-deal Brexit is a good idea."
However Cameron had warmer words for his successor as PM, Theresa May praising her for her "phenomenal" work rate and her "ethos of public service", even if he was not unquestioning of her strategy.
"I remember frequently texting [Mrs May] about the frustration of getting a Brexit deal and then seeing Brexiteers vote it down possibly at the risk of the whole project they had devoted themselves to," said Mr Cameron. "Maddening and infuriating
"There's an argument that Brexit is just impossible to deliver and no one could have done, and there's an argument that, well, wrong choices were made. This is somewhere in between."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49690618
They are grotesque, unfair and unworthy.
It makes me wonder, what has Cameron got against wankers?
Why? Because he's arrogant and complacent, and seriously over-rates himself. Never forget he nearly lost indyref too (and with it the Union), because, again, he over-rated himself, and under-rated Salmond and Sturgeon.
That's a pattern of behaviour. That's what Dave IS: a mediocre politician with serious flaws, who fatally thought "he'd be rather good at being prime minister".
As it happened he was terribly, terribly bad at being prime minister.
Eton has a lot to answer for.
For all his faults Cameron did back the Withdrawal Agreement unlike diehard Remainers like Grieve and Greening and Gyimah and Lee.
Good luck with that one. Author is really credible
Just listen, and try to think:
(1) Some people want to leave with No Deal
(2) Some people want to remain
(3) But many people who either voted to leave in the first place, or are willing to see the referendum result respected, view leaving without a deal as sheer lunacy.
So stop your stupid and/or dishonest misrepresentation of those who aren't crazy enough to support No Deal, as "diehard remainers."
If what the leader does is of no concern to you, you will still back them, I wonder how you can even bring yourself to campaign for them since it logically follows that you don't believe half of what you are saying - Boris fans trash May constantly, insist she was terrible, you cannot genuinely have thought May was great before and now believe she was terrible, so which one do you actually back?
(Furthermore, you were a Leaver!)
The National Labour Party? Thought MacDonald was dead!
That people like Baker and co gave them that opportunity, and get lauded as heroes for it, is maddening.
And I forget because the error over the referendum was just epochally ginormous. nothing else matters in comparison,
At least Cameron himself has the self-awareness to admit this, in his BBC interview.
Corbyn and McDonnell are moral reprobates. Anyone that votes for them has a moral stain on their lives.
But those facts do go some way towards explaining the otherwise inexplicable fact that he's considerably more hated and distrusted than the utter buffoon currently ruining, oops, running the country.
The problem with the IRA stuff is politicians have worked with them and although Brexit might blow Northern Ireland apart it is not a fraction as bad as the 1960s and 1970s.
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1172606361894567936?s=20
Edit: Ignore that (ah, I see you did already) - other posts have made this clear - Lab MP expected to defect.
You should include them in your definition of diehard Remainers. The likes of Hammond, for example.
It's just plain laziness to write off any PM based off single things, however important. It's worth considering all they did, including governing boringly but stably, and it might well be still conclude the big failure exceeds that. But a belched out 'dat person is a loser/evil, end of' is not being decisive, it's taking the easy route of not thinking about it, and proudly so.
I imagine history will be quite unkind on Cameron and his legacy because of Brexit. But what it won't do is ignore everything that came before, good bad or dull. It's important context for one thing.
So what would a rebel Remainer Tory trying to suicide bomb Boris add to that mix ? Absolutely nothing from his left they'll just split the vote. The space for an extra candidate from the Brexit Betrayal right.
https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1172606361894567936?s=21
Desperate stuff.