@HYUFD wrote this on a previous thread - “We are in a domestic civil war with diehard Remainers, there is no more room for appeasement as there was not in 1940 either”.
Equating people who want to Remain in the EU with Nazis is, frankly, a disgraceful statement for him to make.
He was always a bit eccentric and obsessed with polls and his interpretations of them. But lately, he has gone really ………..
It's the first sign of acceptance of the impending accession of Prime Minister Swinson. Bringer of Liberalism. Breaker of chains.
Swinson is neither a liberal nor a democrat.
Nor Prime Minister material.
Hasn't stopped Boris Johnson.
When Boris steps down in 2027, leaving behind a rip-roaring economy and a One Nation Conservative party with a majority of 122, you'll finally have to concede he was "OK....."
If No Deal Brexit happens by nefarious means you might be counting your chickens on that one!
I'll probably be eating my chickens. The last of the non-chlorinated ones....!
Do you give your chickens names? Some people do! i.e. I ate Harriet on Sunday...
iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?
BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."
Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."
That'll be a no then.
You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.
iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?
BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."
Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."
That'll be a no then.
You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.
That's the convicted criminal Chris Huhne eh?
The Lib Dems are not a part of the Tory party anyway.
@HYUFD wrote this on a previous thread - “We are in a domestic civil war with diehard Remainers, there is no more room for appeasement as there was not in 1940 either”.
Equating people who want to Remain in the EU with Nazis is, frankly, a disgraceful statement for him to make.
He was always a bit eccentric and obsessed with polls and his interpretations of them. But lately, he has gone really ………..
It's the first sign of acceptance of the impending accession of Prime Minister Swinson. Bringer of Liberalism. Breaker of chains.
Swinson is neither a liberal nor a democrat.
Nor Prime Minister material.
Hasn't stopped Boris Johnson.
When Boris steps down in 2027, leaving behind a rip-roaring economy and a One Nation Conservative party with a majority of 122, you'll finally have to concede he was "OK....."
If No Deal Brexit happens by nefarious means you might be counting your chickens on that one!
I'll probably be eating my chickens. The last of the non-chlorinated ones....!
Do you give your chickens names? Some people do! i.e. I ate Harriet on Sunday...
Actually, I've given up on chickens. They are even more stupid than MPs.
I reared plenty of chickens as a kid. The only ones that had names were the vicious cocks you needed to avoid. A lesson carried through to adulthood.....
iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?
BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."
Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."
That'll be a no then.
You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.
That's the convicted criminal Chris Huhne eh?
The Lib Dems are not a part of the Tory party anyway.
That is of course true. Quite a lot of the Tory party isn't a part of the Tory party any more, too.
If we've left the EU by 4th November I wouldn't rule out the Commons doing something crazy like electing Grieve as Speaker just as an act of defiance...
Would be excellent to see Harriet get the nod. She will be fantastic and do a great job. 👍
I'm hoping it's Lindsay.
The Commons needs someone pleasant, sensible, down to earth and non-partisan if its to start recovering its reputation from the ridiculous Speaker Bercow.
Bercow has been brilliant at stopping the government getting away with blue murder. He was a man for his time.
It is surely possible to get a Speaker who does not have Bercow's weaknesses while possessing his strengths, we don't have to pretend he must have been all great or all terrible, or that the good erases the bad and vice versa.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I’m surely not the only one really excited about the Supreme Court case next week . The proceedings start at 10.30 am next Tuesday .
The Gina Miller case was excellent in terms of seeing how the judges dissected the QCs questions . I’m sure this case won’t disappoint .
It’s being live streamed which is good news .
I'm excited for the spectacle but not for the result. I think it's virtually certain they will find for the government. The consequences of not doing so will be baulked at.
Yet they will have to look at compelling evidence that the PM lied about his reason for the shutdown.
How they finesse the judgement will be fascinating.
@HYUFD wrote this on a previous thread - “We are in a domestic civil war with diehard Remainers, there is no more room for appeasement as there was not in 1940 either”.
Equating people who want to Remain in the EU with Nazis is, frankly, a disgraceful statement for him to make.
He was always a bit eccentric and obsessed with polls and his interpretations of them. But lately, he has gone really ………..
It's the first sign of acceptance of the impending accession of Prime Minister Swinson. Bringer of Liberalism. Breaker of chains.
Swinson is neither a liberal nor a democrat.
Nor Prime Minister material.
Hasn't stopped Boris Johnson.
When Boris steps down in 2027, leaving behind a rip-roaring economy and a One Nation Conservative party with a majority of 122, you'll finally have to concede he was "OK....."
If No Deal Brexit happens by nefarious means you might be counting your chickens on that one!
I'll probably be eating my chickens. The last of the non-chlorinated ones....!
Do you give your chickens names? Some people do! i.e. I ate Harriet on Sunday...
Actually, I've given up on chickens. They are even more stupid than MPs.
I reared plenty of chickens as a kid. The only ones that had names were the vicious cocks you needed to avoid. A lesson carried through to adulthood.....
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
If he hadn't waited to make his contempt for Johnson public until now, but done it at the time , maybe Remain would have won. But of course, like all Tories, he put Party before Country.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.
@HYUFD wrote this on a previous thread - “We are in a domestic civil war with diehard Remainers, there is no more room for appeasement as there was not in 1940 either”.
Equating people who want to Remain in the EU with Nazis is, frankly, a disgraceful statement for him to make.
I seem to recall you comparing by association leavers with the nationalist fanatics of the Yugoslav civil war.
For many of us that was an equally disreputable and hysterical association to make.
@HYUFD wrote this on a previous thread - “We are in a domestic civil war with diehard Remainers, there is no more room for appeasement as there was not in 1940 either”.
Equating people who want to Remain in the EU with Nazis is, frankly, a disgraceful statement for him to make.
I seem to recall you comparing by association leavers with the nationalist fanatics of the Yugoslav civil war.
For many of us that was an equally disreputable and hysterical association to make.
For the nth time, I did no such thing.
On the same basis HYUFD has not compared remainers to NAZIs.
You are talking complete shite she did no such thing all she did was look around Europe for examples of nation states changing their status within the continent you had it explained by many but you still pedal shite.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
If he hadn't waited to make his contempt for Johnson public until now, but done it at the time , maybe Remain would have won. But of course, like all Tories, he put Party before Country.
And that's another one checked off - as predicted, we've already had criticism that he is saying something at all, and now criticism he didn't say something sooner.
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
No, but if it is just an apologism that will tell us a lot about him, and so still worthwhile. I suspect, unfortunately, it is still too recent and live an issue to be anything but an apologist case. But given the ego of Johnson his response should be interesting - both main parties have very little respect or love for their former leaders, more than that they seem to hold them in utter contempt most of the time, and it flows from top all the way to the bottom as well.
BoJo and Corbyn should take note - one day, sooner than they will like, their party memberships will despise them.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
If we've left the EU by 4th November I wouldn't rule out the Commons doing something crazy like electing Grieve as Speaker just as an act of defiance...
Would be excellent to see Harriet get the nod. She will be fantastic and do a great job. 👍
I'm hoping it's Lindsay.
The Commons needs someone pleasant, sensible, down to earth and non-partisan if its to start recovering its reputation from the ridiculous Speaker Bercow.
Bercow has been brilliant at stopping the government getting away with blue murder. He was a man for his time.
It is surely possible to get a Speaker who does not have Bercow's weaknesses while possessing his strengths, we don't have to pretend he must have been all great or all terrible, or that the good erases the bad and vice versa.
Does leaving like this let Bercow escape any responsibility for the culture of bullying in his department flagged up in 2011, and the report he has been refusing to address for the last 18 months?
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.
Makes a November election almost impossible and a December election extremely tight for Thurs 12th Dec.
If the Commons decided it wanted a November election when it returns on 14th October the election of the new speaker could always be put back until the new Parliament convene's.
That said I can't see an election until next Spring at the earliest now.
Are people really trying to draw some conclusion from abuse shouted at Boris ???
Its as meaningless as all such anecdotes.
Here's another - last week I heard some oldie furiously rambling on about Corbyn and Blair - "forty years down the pit, always voted Labour" - unfortunately he then shut up before he gave details about his intended future voting.
It'll be interesting to see what Cameron made of 2015 but the Conservative Party is a ruthless election machine and shows no mercy to any weakened opponent.
I suspect the LD brand was so toxic by 2015 nothing would have made any difference. The scale of the disaster, though well forecast by some on here, was a deep shock to the party and to be honest that party, the party I joined as a Liberal in 1980, died in 2015.
A new party has emerged, especially since 23/6/16, fiercely internationalist in outlook in a way the old party wan't yet most of the MPs are still from that old party.
Is it liberal? As I've said before, everyone has their own definition of liberal and far more people call themselves liberal than ever vote liberal. Boris Johnson calls himself "a massive liberal" - well, as Mr Meatloaf once opined, "two out of three ain't bad".
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.
That makes him look even more incompetent.
I think that in my lifetime most of our brightest politicians went to grammar school not private school; I'm thinking of people like Harold Wilson, Roy Jenkins or Enoch Powell. Eton gives budding politicians a born to rule attitude but if they don't have the intellect to match, oh dear me ... they make elementary mistakes like calling a referendum which they're not 99.9% sure to win.
Harold Wilson was sure that the population would support his side in the 1975 vote, after Benn suggested it to him, and duly won by 67-33%. Cameron either didn't check what the chances were, or else he was so out of touch with Scunthorpe, Stoke, Cleethorpes et al that he didn't deserve to be PM.
Dominic Grieve is the apparent exception to the rule. It appears that he went to Westminster.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.
B******s. If I'm a Remoaner, you're a Brexshit but I'm sad that you resort to insulting people who hold different views. It's usually an act of weakness ...
FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.
I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. Apparently the last I heard was that he was an expert on the U.K. automotive industry on bbc to defend no deal.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
Well he did have all his pint glasses marked with leave.eu so they should have a good idea
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
He made a visit to a local pub in the area I live and the local press featured it before the event. I thought about going along to put him right on a few things he said on a Channel 4 interview a few days before. But to be honest I think my personal safety is more important than trying to put someone right. He does not like University educated people anyway, he forgets how much custom students put his way!
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
Still spouting the same old Remoaner bullshit I see. The vote was not fraudulent and you are another sad sack who only likes democracy when you are winning.
B******s. If I'm a Remoaner, you're a Brexshit but I'm sad that you resort to insulting people who hold different views. It's usually an act of weakness ...
FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.
I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.
I liked your comment, to paraphrase "Tough on Brexit, Tough on the causes of Brexit"
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
He's annoyed at the betrayal of Gove, Johnson, Patel, and Mordaunt for trashing their government during the referendum.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I guessed as much.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
I think he wants to correct the record, he's tired of the meme that he panicked in calling the referendum because UKIP won the 2014 Euros, but he planned a referendum well before.
That makes him look even more incompetent.
I think that in my lifetime most of our brightest politicians went to grammar school not private school; I'm thinking of people like Harold Wilson, Roy Jenkins or Enoch Powell. Eton gives budding politicians a born to rule attitude but if they don't have the intellect to match, oh dear me ... they make elementary mistakes like calling a referendum which they're not 99.9% sure to win.
Harold Wilson was sure that the population would support his side in the 1975 vote, after Benn suggested it to him, and duly won by 67-33%. Cameron either didn't check what the chances were, or else he was so out of touch with Scunthorpe, Stoke, Cleethorpes et al that he didn't deserve to be PM.
Dominic Grieve is the apparent exception to the rule. It appears that he went to Westminster.
Even the Scottish referendum - only about 25% for Yes to begin with - gave Mr Cameron a very bad fright - he and his chums had to breach purdah in their panic. One might have thought he'd learnt his lesson.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I don't understand why politicians do not return to that form of campaigning. Wilson really thrived in that atmosphere - particularly in 1964 and 1966 - others could do so today.
On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.
Did you see the paper on information gerrymandering? It includes a discussion of skewing information on how other people will vote, which is of course important for tactical voting.
Information gerrymandering in social networks skews collective decision-making An analysis shows that information flow between individuals in a social network can be ‘gerrymandered’ to skew perceptions of how others in the community will vote — which can alter the outcomes of elections. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02562-z
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
ii) With the £350 million on the bus, I think Michael and Boris left the truth at home
He writes that Johnson and Gove behaved “appallingly”. Were they not just fighting to win?
“I say in the book: Boris had never argued for leaving the EU, right? Michael was a very strong Eurosceptic, but someone whom I’d known as this liberal, compassionate, rational Conservative ended up making arguments about Turkey [joining] and being swamped and what have you. They were trashing the government of which they were a part, effectively.”
Gove’s “people in this country have had enough of experts”? Johnson on the threat of Turkey – ie a Muslim country – joining the EU?
“Well, it was ridiculous. There was a moment when I think it was Penny Mordaunt said on a Sunday morning show, ‘We have no power to stop Turkey joining the EU.’ It’s just not true.”
iii)Then there was, I say, Priti Patel, now our home secretary. He levers his eyes heavenward. “I remember her attack that wealthy people didn’t understand the problems of immigration. It felt very like she was put on point to do some attacking of the government and its record. I suppose some people would say all is fair in love and war and political campaigns. I thought there were places Conservatives wouldn’t go against each other. And they did.”
Other observation
Prorogation and taking away the whip have rebounded. I don’t support either. And I don’t think no deal is a good idea’
From those tidbits Cameron sounds like a cry baby to be honest...
{scrolls back up to see the poster} Oh, that fits.
On topic: Bonkers idea - it'd simply further split the anti-Johnson vote. The seat is a good example of the problems of anti-Tory tactical voting. The seat is one where the winner will obviously be Johnson or Labour (who got 40% last time, while the LibDems got 3.9%). Ladbrokes suggesting that Labour might step aside suggests that the well-informed Shadsy is taking a well-earned holiday.
Did you see the paper on information gerrymandering? It includes a discussion of skewing information on how other people will vote, which is of course important for tactical voting.
Information gerrymandering in social networks skews collective decision-making An analysis shows that information flow between individuals in a social network can be ‘gerrymandered’ to skew perceptions of how others in the community will vote — which can alter the outcomes of elections. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02562-z
Interesting. I've no doubt we'll see that in action.
On our way to Southampton from North Wales today for our cruise tomorrow we encountered ovehead road signs warning that HGV travelling to Europe from the first November will need new documentation
As we drove through Oxford, passed the huge car plants, lots of HGV's were delivering from across the EU in a vivid demonstration of 'just in time' manufacturng
In our hotel I read Jo Swinson affirms she will not support Corbyn under any circumstances as he is unfit to be PM and said the same about Boris
I have backed brexit though I voted remain but unless a deal happens in July I want this madness bringing to a halt with either a referendum or even revoke as supported by Jo
And I said I would not comment before I return from holiday but Jo's rejection of Corbyn, and the evidence I have witnessed today has prompted me to comment
Will catch up in early October
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
Remain didn’t lie. Leave did.
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
Do you wear shell suits?
They have a Witherspoon’s in wilmslow no shell suits allowed.
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
Do you wear shell suits?
No!
Genuine Hackett and Burberry stuff that day.
Good British brands! Somebody once offered me some 'space gear' in a Wetherspoons. I just said no as I have no idea what he was referring too. I presumed it was drugs, so I surreptitiously had a word in the staffs ear and they barred him!
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
So how is leaving going to benefit them?
Well they're getting better pay rises now doubtless to Stuart Rose's annoyance:
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
Do you wear shell suits?
No!
Genuine Hackett and Burberry stuff that day.
Good British brands! Somebody once offered me some 'space gear' in a Wetherspoons. I just said no as I have no idea what he was referring too. I presumed it was drugs, so I surreptitiously had a word in the staffs ear and they barred him!
i wouldn’t go into one for a piss but if you piss off 48% of your potential customers you get what you deserve. .
Do most people really know the guy who owns the chain who own the nearby pub hates remainers? I have to remind myself who he is every time he comes up and I'm an obsessed anorak.
To show my man of the people credentials I went to the Wetherspoons in Piccadilly Gardens earlier on this year, they had pro Brexit beermats and lots of pro Brexit manifesto magazines with his face and thoughts lying about.
You should be ashamed of yourself. The sad thing is that some of their conversions are excellent but I wouldn’t go for......
I really was ashamed. Really knarked me off that most of the people in Wetherspoons were wearing knock off stuff and I was wearing the proper stuff.
Do you wear shell suits?
They have a Witherspoon’s in wilmslow no shell suits allowed.
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
So how is leaving going to benefit them?
Well they're getting better pay rises now doubtless to Stuart Rose's annoyance:
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
If Boris wins a majority nationally he will easily be re elected in Uxbridge, in fact on UNS Labour would need to win an overall majority to take the seat so I suspect Boris has little to fear whatever current polls say, in fact an anti Brexit Tory candidate could just split the diehard Remainer anti Boris vote
Are you really so bone-headedly stupid that you can't understand the difference between (1) people who don't want to plunge the country into the lunacy of a No Deal Brexit and (2) "diehard remainers"?
Have a nice holiday! The news is terrible on a daily basis at the moment, so forget about it and enjoy the moment!
I intended to do so but it does make it real and we need a deal
We have a decent deal with the EU, complete with four opt outs (so does Denmark and they don't take leaving seriously).
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
+1 I agree.
+1 but we were unable to sell it to the masses that wanted bendy bananas
Remainer lies were no longer believed by enough people.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
So how is leaving going to benefit them?
Well they're getting better pay rises now doubtless to Stuart Rose's annoyance:
Stephen Twigg, he of course 'owns' the iconic Portillo defeat in 1997. He does not represent a marginal and is standing down but that would be a significant development if he was leaving Labour.
I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet
Won't be either of those.
Gavin Shuker?
Hes not labour
He was until late February. It would seem a bit odd for a Labour MP to jump now having failed to do so earlier in the year - particularly as the party has now moved to backing a Referendum. Labour also leads the LDs in all the polls - in some cases by big margins.
Stephen Twigg, he of course 'owns' the iconic Portillo defeat in 1997. He does not represent a marginal and is standing down but that would be a significant development if he was leaving Labour.
Can see the Liverpool link but very much below the radar. Top spot if you are right!
I'm thinking Streeting or Hodge, it sounds anti-s based from the tweet
Won't be either of those.
Gavin Shuker?
Hes not labour
He was until late February. It would seem a bit odd for a Labour MP to jump now having failed to do so earlier in the year - particularly as the party has now moved to backing a Referendum. Labour also leads the LDs in all the polls - in some cases by big margins.
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Let's rewind to a previous referendum organised by Mr Cameron, shall we? The one about AV, obviously close to the hearts of everyone on here. Did Dave himself behave in the gentlemanly fashion he latterly expected of Gove and Patel?
BBC: "Lib Dem minister Mr Huhne accused the Conservatives of "trashing" his party and Mr Cameron of doing nothing to stop personal attacks on Mr Clegg by the No campaign."
Guardian: "Cameron threw both the Tory machine and the considerable Tory bankbook at the operation."
That'll be a no then.
You stupid, stupid, bastard, Dave. You really are a quite phenomenally stupid bastard. Really, stunningly, brazenly stupid.
The Lib Dems are not a part of the Tory party anyway.
I reared plenty of chickens as a kid. The only ones that had names were the vicious cocks you needed to avoid. A lesson carried through to adulthood.....
I expect the juiciest bits are in the headlines (to make people buy it) - I’m more interested in the fully story, from his perspective.
But he's really annoyed at what they've done to the party and the country (specifically No Deal), as a Unionist he's annoyed a lot by those prepared to sacrifice the Union and the peace process for Brexit
I suspect most members will ignore the advice of the man who is the only Tory to have won a majority in the last 27 years, they'll prefer to denigrate him.
I think he was very loyal up until then. Even I thought Cameron didn’t handle it very delicately at the time.
Yet they will have to look at compelling evidence that the PM lied about his reason for the shutdown.
How they finesse the judgement will be fascinating.
But, I’m less interested in the personal scores to settle and feuding. And more in the politics and story from his point of view.
If it’s just an apologist case for the defence it won’t be very interesting.
Anything since 2016 that's been called a 'deal' is massively worse in the economic consequences for the left-behind people who moaned loudly about their unhappy lot, upset the applecart and voted against the govt in 2016.
MPs are representatives and not delegates. So get off your arses and show some leadership in being tough on Brexit and tough on its causes. Also stop prattling on about 'respecting' a fraudulent vote which ironically would have been nullified if the referendum had been officially 'binding' but depends on MPs as it was advisory. Thank you so much.
BoJo and Corbyn should take note - one day, sooner than they will like, their party memberships will despise them.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/15/wetherspoons-profits-drop-19-boss-blaming-remainers-8911577/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.twitter
That said I can't see an election until next Spring at the earliest now.
Its as meaningless as all such anecdotes.
Here's another - last week I heard some oldie furiously rambling on about Corbyn and Blair - "forty years down the pit, always voted Labour" - unfortunately he then shut up before he gave details about his intended future voting.
And what does that suggest ? Who knows.
It'll be interesting to see what Cameron made of 2015 but the Conservative Party is a ruthless election machine and shows no mercy to any weakened opponent.
I suspect the LD brand was so toxic by 2015 nothing would have made any difference. The scale of the disaster, though well forecast by some on here, was a deep shock to the party and to be honest that party, the party I joined as a Liberal in 1980, died in 2015.
A new party has emerged, especially since 23/6/16, fiercely internationalist in outlook in a way the old party wan't yet most of the MPs are still from that old party.
Is it liberal? As I've said before, everyone has their own definition of liberal and far more people call themselves liberal than ever vote liberal. Boris Johnson calls himself "a massive liberal" - well, as Mr Meatloaf once opined, "two out of three ain't bad".
Harold Wilson was sure that the population would support his side in the 1975 vote, after Benn suggested it to him, and duly won by 67-33%. Cameron either didn't check what the chances were, or else he was so out of touch with Scunthorpe, Stoke, Cleethorpes et al that he didn't deserve to be PM.
Dominic Grieve is the apparent exception to the rule. It appears that he went to Westminster.
FWIW I agree with three past PMs who all said that referendums were an abomination. They clash with the UK's type of representative democracy. These people were Clem Attlee, Ted Heath and Margaret Thatcher.
I now understand why they held this view, after a 2016 PM was so stupid as to call a referendum which might clash with a sovereign parliament. It was and is a continuing disaster. Over and out.
That's part of the issue and the other is that everyone is an individual with their own desires and experiences.
What the establishment should have done was make membership of the EU work for all the people of this country.
But they wanted all the benefits for themselves and didn't care if others lost out.
He’s encourage people to bet on the Lib Dem’s...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/wetherspoons-brexit-beer-mats-eu-referendum-imf
https://twitter.com/MikeFoster1403/status/1172574005209051136
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1172577457096089601
That’s going to be the problem for UK for a generation!
Information gerrymandering in social networks skews collective decision-making
An analysis shows that information flow between individuals in a social network can be ‘gerrymandered’ to skew perceptions of how others in the community will vote — which can alter the outcomes of elections.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02562-z
Genuine Hackett and Burberry stuff that day.
Oh, that fits.
You get your facts wrong
He lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyKrXB4i9Ag
And where was Boris today ? In those sort of areas which some PB Remainers make no attempt to hide their dislike of.
Perhaps they'll even get some more government spending.
Those who've backed him in Betfair's next Labour leader market will be mortified.
How about Diana Johnson? On the way to being deselected. Doesn't like Corbyn. Labour friends of Israel. LDs quite strong in her patch