Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
Yes I have. As | freely admit. But I can’t access TV news like the rest of you, so I am on a much more normal diet of news snippets. What the average voter might see. And from that perspective Boris is doing perfectly OK
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Not in Sparta it isn’t. I wish I could see it! I love a bit of opaque parliamentary drama
I don’t see the evidence for that collaboration in Scotland that’s distinctly better. It happens in the UK too by select committees which sit in committee rooms within the Palace of Westminster where genuine cross-party dialogue and collaborative work does take place.
But politics done along party lines is, by its very nature, adversarial.
Committees have a bigger role in Holyrood in drafting and revising legislation and in holding the executive to account* than their Westminster equivalents. To the extent committees are collaborative, there's more of that collaboration happening in Scotland.
* although they are not always very good at the holding to account part.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Conservative MPs arguing for an election, other MPs don't want one. It's a bit difficult to accuse the Tories of being anti-democratic in those circumstances.
I think Corbyn’s poisoned apple analogy pretty much nails it TBH.
Boris needs an election before 31 Oct or he’s in a bit of trouble I think.
Johnson wanted to be PM for a life time. Let him be a zombie PM for a few weeks.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Not in Sparta it isn’t. I wish I could see it! I love a bit of opaque parliamentary drama
You should get a VPN, then you can see UK-only content on the BBC anywhere in the world.
Are opposition MPs aware that the Lords may well filibuster the Benn bill ? Surely if you don't trust a word or anything about the Gov't best to have a GE to try and install someone else on the 14th ?!
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Not in Sparta it isn’t. I wish I could see it! I love a bit of opaque parliamentary drama
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
You have also been permanently shot up on gin since landing on Greek territory, which possibly provides more context to your analysis than a two hour time difference.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In other words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
You have also been permanently shot up on gin since landing on Greek territory, which possibly provides more context to your analysis than a two hour time difference.
Tbf he does have £1000 resting on this. That might have been £10000.
Conservative MPs arguing for an election, other MPs don't want one. It's a bit difficult to accuse the Tories of being anti-democratic in those circumstances.
I think Corbyn’s poisoned apple analogy pretty much nails it TBH.
Boris needs an election before 31 Oct or he’s in a bit of trouble I think.
Johnson wanted to be PM for a life time. Let him be a zombie PM for a few weeks.
I don’t see the evidence for that collaboration in Scotland that’s distinctly better. It happens in the UK too by select committees which sit in committee rooms within the Palace of Westminster where genuine cross-party dialogue and collaborative work does take place.
But politics done along party lines is, by its very nature, adversarial.
When politics becomes collaborative the only people who win are the politicians. The rest of us are just expected to shut up and do what they tell us. And be grateful for it as well.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In otheer words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Conservative MPs arguing for an election, other MPs don't want one. It's a bit difficult to accuse the Tories of being anti-democratic in those circumstances.
I think Corbyn’s poisoned apple analogy pretty much nails it TBH.
Boris needs an election before 31 Oct or he’s in a bit of trouble I think.
Johnson wanted to be PM for a life time. Let him be a zombie PM for a few weeks.
He wanted the job and the title, not the responsibility, scrutiny, accountability or ability to change the country for the better. He’s already got his name on the list and will get his photo next to the Downing Street staircase, and his place in the history books.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
It's impossible to argue he has not been woeful unless one has very low standards.
However it can be argued - as some have - that it will not damage his polling because 'normal people' are not really following proceedings and are thus clueless on the matter.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27...
With the current incumbent, can we be entirely sure of that ?
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
You say the British prime minister negotiates with the 27 at such a council meeting, do you?
His stuttering wiffle waffle delivery has always made me think he couldnt possibly be a vote winner, right from the time I had a grand on Ken Livingstone to beat him to the 2008 Mayoralty
Jess Phillips faux working class hero act is as annoying
I thought she was brilliant tonight, speaking passionately and clearly in plain English and articulating what many of us feel about the way that people like Johnson and Rees Mogg treat politics like a game for their own amusement. I don't think there is anything faux about her - she isn't working class and doesn't claim to be. Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
Are there any Johnson fans on here who'd like to argue that he has been anything other than woeful over the past couple of days?
Me. And I am an interesting example. Let me explain.
I am in provincial Greece. Thanks to time differences and lack of TV I am generally unable to follow the Commons live. So I dip in and out and catch the major sound bites on the BBC/Sky news etc
In otheer words, I absorb the news like a normal person, rather than a PB geek.
And seen through the prism of normal news, Boris is doing fine. I keep reading the hysteria on PB and then I check with the iPlayer to see Boris publicly soil himself in front of the Dalai Lama’s great aunt, as promised, but it never happens. I see Boris being Boris, I see Corbyn being Corbyn, I see a lot of MPs shouting, for obscure reasons.
This is what most British voters will see. At most. I expect the ructions of the last week will barely budge the polls, and if they do, it could easily be in Boris’ favour, because everyone is bored of seeing MPs shouting for obscure reasons.
LOL you've been on PB 24/7 for the past few days.
And it’s live across the world on the BBC website anyway; I am sitting with a cool beer in warm sunshine in the Catskills listening to it all.
Sounds great. Never been but would like to.
Good scenery, friendly people, and very attractive villages. Hearty American food. And surprisingly uncrowded given that until today it was still holiday season. The larger towns are the usual ugly American crud but avoid them and it’s delightful.
Yes you keep beating this drum, but you understand the weak call that allows Bunter control of the timetable? As a keen poker player, you really should.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
You say the British prime minister negotiates with the 27 at such a council meeting, do you?
I say that if the PM and the 27 reach an agreement then that is the decision.
If Johnson comes back from Brussels with nothing then WA has to go before Parliament as result of Kinnock amendment.
Johnson is then free to whip Tories against with no consequence but if Corbyn whips for then he is accepting 'undemocractic' backstop (and risking Labour collapsing in on itself) with the worst case scenario of it passing, Brexit is done and Labour are to blame. If Corbyn whips against Labour are frustrating any Brexit options.
Election between Oct & Jan then can be framed with Labour as either architects of a bad Brexit or remainers through and through.
His stuttering wiffle waffle delivery has always made me think he couldnt possibly be a vote winner, right from the time I had a grand on Ken Livingstone to beat him to the 2008 Mayoralty
Jess Phillips faux working class hero act is as annoying
I thought she was brilliant tonight, speaking passionately and clearly in plain English and articulating what many of us feel about the way that people like Johnson and Rees Mogg treat politics like a game for their own amusement. I don't think there is anything faux about her - she isn't working class and doesn't claim to be. Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
Oh leave off. She said "There werent any kids like Nigel Farage at MY school" on This Week, the clear inference being there were no Posho's there, when she went to an all girl Grammar. The uninformed viewer would have assumed she went to an inner city Comp
Yesterday in the Commons she was saying she had to go round her mother in laws to print some documents as she hasnt got a printer.. its all a transparent act to appear down and dirty, when she is far from it
Its not her accent, its the things she says, and the impression she hopes they give.
If Johnson comes back from Brussels with nothing then WA has to go before Parliament as result of Kinnock amendment.
Johnson is then free to whip Tories against with no consequence but if Corbyn whips for then he is accepting 'undemocractic' backstop (and risking Labour collapsing in on itself) with the worst case scenario of it passing, Brexit is done and Labour are to blame. If Corbyn whips against Labour are frustrating any Brexit options.
Election between Oct & Jan then can be framed with Labour as either architects of a bad Brexit or remainers through and through.
Have I misunderstood?
Labour will put forward an amendment "subject to a confirmatory referendum"
On the date of the election I heard it said by a constititional expert on Sky that the PM announces the date and once displayed officially on the Palace gates it cannot be changed
So all the talk of the PM suddenly changing the date seems to be fake news
His stuttering wiffle waffle delivery has always made me think he couldnt possibly be a vote winner, right from the time I had a grand on Ken Livingstone to beat him to the 2008 Mayoralty
Jess Phillips faux working class hero act is as annoying
I thought she was brilliant tonight, speaking passionately and clearly in plain English and articulating what many of us feel about the way that people like Johnson and Rees Mogg treat politics like a game for their own amusement. I don't think there is anything faux about her - she isn't working class and doesn't claim to be. Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
Yes, the idea that a Brum accent automatically means working class is a very snobby one. Not too surprised that it is a common idea amongst Tories.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
You say the British prime minister negotiates with the 27 at such a council meeting, do you?
I say that if the PM and the 27 reach an agreement then that is the decision.
So you don't say the prime minister negotiates.
And even what you do say is demonstrable nonsense. Read Article 50: For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
There's a huge amount of interest in the current situation. The protests on Saturday were widespread and large, then I'm told that 1.5 million people were watching the Parliament channel yesterday. Just stop and think about that for a moment. Finally, twitter has been trending on almost nothing else for 3 days, with big viral trends e.g. the appalling JRM meme (appalling for him I mean).
We're watching Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings rip apart the Conservative party. The volcano that has been threatening to do this for 30 years has finally blown. It's spectacular.
If disunited parties, let alone ones in open civil war, lose elections then they're in big trouble.
I'm going to add this to the withdrawal agreement, House of Lords, Speaker and now offer of a General Election of things that are going to be on the other foot shortly enough.
His stuttering wiffle waffle delivery has always made me think he couldnt possibly be a vote winner, right from the time I had a grand on Ken Livingstone to beat him to the 2008 Mayoralty
Jess Phillips faux working class hero act is as annoying
I thought she was brilliant tonight, speaking passionately and clearly in plain English and articulating what many of us feel about the way that people like Johnson and Rees Mogg treat politics like a game for their own amusement. I don't think there is anything faux about her - she isn't working class and doesn't claim to be. Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
Yes, the idea that a Brum accent automatically means working class is a very snobby one. Not too surprised that it is a common idea amongst Tories.
It isn't her accent, its the things she says and the image she hopes they portray
On the date of the election I heard it said by a constititional expert on Sky that the PM announces the date and once displayed officially on the Palace gates it cannot be changed
So all the talk of the PM suddenly changing the date seems to be fake news
The point is that BoZo cannot be trusted to pick a date in the first place, particularly with Cummings pulling his strings.
There's a huge amount of interest in the current situation. The protests on Saturday were widespread and large, then I'm told that 1.5 million people were watching the Parliament channel yesterday. Just stop and think about that for a moment. Finally, twitter has been trending on almost nothing else for 3 days, with big viral trends e.g. the appalling JRM meme (appalling for him I mean).
We're watching Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings rip apart the Conservative party. The volcano that has been threatening to do this for 30 years has finally blown. It's spectacular.
If disunited parties, let alone ones in open civil war, lose elections then they're in big trouble.
The protests were accusing Johnson of being a tin-pot dictator and of having presided over a coup. How does that square with him asking for a general election?
What's Canterbury cathedral got to do with the English? Reconstructed under an Italian bishop by the Normans, based on a French design. Even the stone was brought from France apparently. A thoroughly European project.
His stuttering wiffle waffle delivery has always made me think he couldnt possibly be a vote winner, right from the time I had a grand on Ken Livingstone to beat him to the 2008 Mayoralty
Jess Phillips faux working class hero act is as annoying
I thought she was brilliant tonight, speaking passionately and clearly in plain English and articulating what many of us feel about the way that people like Johnson and Rees Mogg treat politics like a game for their own amusement. I don't think there is anything faux about her - she isn't working class and doesn't claim to be. Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
Oh leave off. She said "There werent any kids like Nigel Farage at MY school" on This Week, the clear inference being there were no Posho's there, when she went to an all girl Grammar. The uninformed viewer would have assumed she went to an inner city Comp
Yesterday in the Commons she was saying she had to go round her mother in laws to print some documents as she hasnt got a printer.. its all a transparent act to appear down and dirty, when she is far from it
Its not her accent, its the things she says, and the impression she hopes they give.
If she went to an all girls school then, in fairness, there wouldn't have been many Nigels.
People aren’t interested in detail like this unfortunately.
Because its total bollocks.
In what way is it "bollocks"?
Negotiations regularly happen at the Council level.
Read the thread rather than coming out with your kneejerk nonsense: "An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Misleading bollocks.
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
You say the British prime minister negotiates with the 27 at such a council meeting, do you?
I say that if the PM and the 27 reach an agreement then that is the decision.
So you don't say the prime minister negotiates.
And even what you do say is demonstrable nonsense. Read Article 50: For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
No I do say the PM negotiates.
The PM will sit outside the room while the Council decides whether to accept the PMs proposals or not.
But if the PM goes to Dublin, Paris and Berlin and gets an agreement theoretically then brings this proposal to Council and the Council votes to accept it while the PM sits outside then that is the Councils decision. Even if the Commission doesn't like it.
On the date of the election I heard it said by a constititional expert on Sky that the PM announces the date and once displayed officially on the Palace gates it cannot be changed
So all the talk of the PM suddenly changing the date seems to be fake news
The point is that BoZo cannot be trusted to pick a date in the first place, particularly with Cummings pulling his strings.
He has to as it has to be announced on the Palace gates
There's a huge amount of interest in the current situation. The protests on Saturday were widespread and large, then I'm told that 1.5 million people were watching the Parliament channel yesterday. Just stop and think about that for a moment. Finally, twitter has been trending on almost nothing else for 3 days, with big viral trends e.g. the appalling JRM meme (appalling for him I mean).
We're watching Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings rip apart the Conservative party. The volcano that has been threatening to do this for 30 years has finally blown. It's spectacular.
If disunited parties, let alone ones in open civil war, lose elections then they're in big trouble.
On the date of the election I heard it said by a constititional expert on Sky that the PM announces the date and once displayed officially on the Palace gates it cannot be changed
So all the talk of the PM suddenly changing the date seems to be fake news
You've missed the point completely. The election date is set by proclaimation which is a perogative power. So if the Commons had voted for an early election based on Johnson's stated date of 15/10 there would be *nothing* to then stop Johnson setting the date for 1/11 or later. Thus ensuring a No Deal Brexit. The law currently means the commons has to agree an election with no power over its date. Which in the current situation is a huge issue.
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However, we are not the best judges and the next polls will be very interesting
HYUFD gamely and loyally bats for him and fair play to him, Boris does not make it easy
* although they are not always very good at the holding to account part.
"An EU source, asked if UK PM is correct, tells BBC that EU “leaders have never negotiated directly with the UK PM on Brexit… UK is not even present when the EU27 leaders discuss Brexit.”"
Except that if Bozo gets his early election, it won’t go near the membership. A concession that a snap election isn’t going to happen?
Ken Clarke was fabulous earlier.
Sit back and observe this spectacle. We are watching the death of the Conservative Party.
It will rise again from the ashes, one day a very long time from now.
I thank you.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-49584841/live-coverage-of-brexit-proceedings-in-parliament
The PM is present when the PM is speaking to the 27. The PM is not present when the 27 speak amongst themselves.
I can’t see Ken being taken in by Sarah Palin.
Tho the apogee of the style is surely King’s, Cambridge. Architecture so sublime, vaulting so delicate, it turns into a kind of.... mist.
https://images.app.goo.gl/5gBsFqvAZUSiR2sP7
Next leader of the Labour Party if they have any sense (though fairly sure they do not!)
However it can be argued - as some have - that it will not damage his polling because 'normal people' are not really following proceedings and are thus clueless on the matter.
I think this is right.
https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3ee21ab2-8e9e-4ea5-aa0c-ee785b88212c
Not everyone who doesn't speak South east English RP is working class or pretending to be. It's only because so much of our political and media conversations are public school people talking to each other in their deathly boring plummy vowels that Jess Phillips is accused of pretending to live on a sink estate, when actually she just talks the way most people talk where she comes from.
I expect it could be close to 300 - 0 and thus fail.
If Johnson comes back from Brussels with nothing then WA has to go before Parliament as result of Kinnock amendment.
Johnson is then free to whip Tories against with no consequence but if Corbyn whips for then he is accepting 'undemocractic' backstop (and risking Labour collapsing in on itself) with the worst case scenario of it passing, Brexit is done and Labour are to blame. If Corbyn whips against Labour are frustrating any Brexit options.
Election between Oct & Jan then can be framed with Labour as either architects of a bad Brexit or remainers through and through.
Have I misunderstood?
Yesterday in the Commons she was saying she had to go round her mother in laws to print some documents as she hasnt got a printer.. its all a transparent act to appear down and dirty, when she is far from it
Its not her accent, its the things she says, and the impression she hopes they give.
Somewhat doubtful that Boris will hit the 434 MP's required ....
Third loss on the bounce up-coming for the PM.
Does Boris let the Benn bill become law and then try for a FTPA vote again next week? If so what is the timing of the GE?
Or does Boris get help from the HoL in order to talk the Benn bill out? But then surely he'll face a repeat performance after October 14th?
My top ten, in no obvious order
Durham
Salisbury
Kilfenora (mad!)
Burgos
St Basil’s
Amalfi
Hagia Sophia
Laon
St Peters (is it a cathedral?)
Hallgrimskirka
So all the talk of the PM suddenly changing the date seems to be fake news
And even what you do say is demonstrable nonsense. Read Article 50:
For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.
There's a huge amount of interest in the current situation. The protests on Saturday were widespread and large, then I'm told that 1.5 million people were watching the Parliament channel yesterday. Just stop and think about that for a moment. Finally, twitter has been trending on almost nothing else for 3 days, with big viral trends e.g. the appalling JRM meme (appalling for him I mean).
We're watching Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings rip apart the Conservative party. The volcano that has been threatening to do this for 30 years has finally blown. It's spectacular.
If disunited parties, let alone ones in open civil war, lose elections then they're in big trouble.
And although not a cathedral as such, St. George's Chapel, Windsor is a quite exquisite space.
Christ Church (Oxford) is a somewhat boring overgrown parish church.
The PM will sit outside the room while the Council decides whether to accept the PMs proposals or not.
But if the PM goes to Dublin, Paris and Berlin and gets an agreement theoretically then brings this proposal to Council and the Council votes to accept it while the PM sits outside then that is the Councils decision. Even if the Commission doesn't like it.
I was going to play some motown but no need now.