That article gets recycled about once a month, often by political studies academics who should know better. So far as I can see there is no controlling for age. It's as likely as not that what you're seeing is a function of age, not Brexicity.
Crofflers will have adult children where the question of who they might marry is a real one and where parents have already had to make mental compromises about possible partners (whether about tattoos, political views or use of cutlery). Millennials will either not have children or will have babes in arms, for whom the question is entirely theoretical. The same question means entirely different things to different audiences.
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well of course Alistair, youre just shining beacon of tolerance.
remember all those oldies never went to University because they were all too thick, you keep telling me that.
Test halted by bad weather in Manchester in September.
Why couldnt we have played in the Bahamas or Florida where they have nice weather!!
Said it this morning, a September Old Trafford Ashes Test is moronic.
No Old Trafford Ashes Test has got a positive result all century. This is just sad.
Germans think that the British inventing a game that cannot be played in rain is moronic.
Have the germans actually invented any games ?
The Germans are excellent at inventing board games.
For Sports: from the Wikipedia Gymnastics site "The German Friedrich Ludwig Jahn started the German gymnastics movement in 1811 with lead to the invention of the parallel bars, rings, high bar, the pommel horse and the vault horse. " Jahn is famous enough in Germany to have an Athletics and minor football stadium named after him.
Test halted by bad weather in Manchester in September.
Why couldnt we have played in the Bahamas or Florida where they have nice weather!!
Said it this morning, a September Old Trafford Ashes Test is moronic.
No Old Trafford Ashes Test has got a positive result all century. This is just sad.
Germans think that the British inventing a game that cannot be played in rain is moronic.
Have the germans actually invented any games ?
The Germans are excellent at inventing board games.
For Sports: from the Wikipedia Gymnastics site "The German Friedrich Ludwig Jahn started the German gymnastics movement in 1811 with lead to the invention of the parallel bars, rings, high bar, the pommel horse and the vault horse. " Jahn is famous enough in Germany to have an Athletics and minor football stadium named after him.
I'm sure there are other examples.
Jahn certainly, though thats a bit specialist, it was more about conditioning german youth to fight the French
But boardgames arent exactly made for plating in the rain :-)
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all.
Im also married to a remainer who'll probably vote LD. So its not as if I dont see things from the other side.
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
What I have found most extraordinary since 2016 is the lack of political empathy shown by most people I’ve met that voted Remain, especially so versus most Leave voters I have met. It was a finely balanced and complex issue gang, nothing wrong with falling either side of the line!
Anecdotal experience that's not easily reconcilable with the abundant polling showing that (eg) Leavers would accept Northern Ireland going up in flames, Scottish independence or a member of their family losing their job for Brexit.
You love leavers it just you wouldnt want your family to marry one
If my daughter brought a leaver home he would be bounced straight out the door.
Once Boris extends with the EU till next spring, what’s to stop Labour waiting till next spring before allowing Boris an election. The opposition parties surely the biggest winners of 6th month of minority government? You have got to love this ftpa.
My other half has a problem with her potential vote as of now, because we're in Mann's constituency and he is more reliable than Hammond at voting with the Tories atm
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
By shafting the economy, their FOM, and future livelihoods?
By voting down the system which makes impoverishment possible. Are you for the burden of Uni fees ? Are you for lack of affordable housing ? Are you for the gig economy ?
Are you coming out as a communist? I think you'll find impoverishment is still horribly possible under that system too.
Im anti corporatism and pro reform.
So what anti-corporatist reforms would you suggest in, say, the smartphone industry?
personally Id have started all 5G licences in the far and remote ends of the UK. islands in Scotland, mountains in Wales, Hartlepool and told the phone cos they could get licences for London and the big cities until theyd completed the rural network.
reverse cherry picking.
And the infrastructure would have been built using which British suppliers?
What the ? When did May's deal come back from the dead ?!
I thought you were paying attention! There's always been a group of Labour MPs who wanted to support the WA but couldn't because of the Labour whip. Now that everyone's scrabbling around for a way of avoiding No Deal, they feel a bit braver (?) in going against the dear leader. Bear in mind that Corbyn was against the WA largely because he was using Brexit as leverage into a general election. Now a GE is imminent so I think he'd secretly be rather pleased if the WA was passed now. And it'd be a killer for the Tories. lol
Not transphobic, but I can see how a pompous bigot with a mind stuffed with 19th century misconceptions as to what transsexuality entails might find it so.
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all.
Im also married to a remainer who'll probably vote LD. So its not as if I dont see things from the other side.
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
What I have found most extraordinary since 2016 is the lack of political empathy shown by most people I’ve met that voted Remain, especially so versus most Leave voters I have met. It was a finely balanced and complex issue gang, nothing wrong with falling either side of the line!
Anecdotal experience that's not easily reconcilable with the abundant polling showing that (eg) Leavers would accept Northern Ireland going up in flames, Scottish independence or a member of their family losing their job for Brexit.
You love leavers it just you wouldnt want your family to marry one
If my daughter brought a leaver home he would be bounced straight out the door.
Once Boris extends with the EU till next spring, what’s to stop Labour waiting till next spring before allowing Boris an election. The opposition parties surely the biggest winners of 6th month of minority government? You have got to love this ftpa.
Just had a very unpleasant experience. Was innocently listening to the calming tones of Sarah Montague at lunchtime, when I heard a repulsive blast from the past. That ginormous turd Michael Forsyth, who the voters of Stirling soundly dismissed in 1997, was on my bloody radio, splurging his usual lies, hatred and bile.
This is why the House of Lords has to go. Reptiles like Forsyth suck at the taxpayers’ tweets for decades after losing elections. The vile serpent had the audacity to present himself as a champion of democracy.
A bit strong Stuart. I don't know Lord F but the feedback I've received is that he is a very courteous and extremely bright guy. Came from a generation of Tories influenced by the Manchester school of economists at St Andrews in the 70s. An interesting fellow and not to be dismissed in these kind of terms, however much you may disagree with him. He is also, unassailably, an authentic working-class Scot.
Irony alert. Scots Nat accuses someone else of someone splurging lies hatred and bile. Isn't that the fundamental basis of nationalism? Oh, yes, of course the Scottish version is different to everywhere else that vile divisive creed is touted!
So, correct me if I’m wrong but election wise it seems to look like this:
- Boris wants an election, and we can assume his 289 loyal MPs (and the DUP) would vote for it.
- Corbyn might want an election, but many of his backbenchers don’t. He seems to be saying yes, once the Queen signs the Act. Many of his backbenchers say not until after 31 Oct. They will abstain tonight be who knows about Fri/Mon.
- The SNP will vote for one once the Queen signs the Act. Presumably because they stand to gain massively.
- The LibDem position is unclear. The might be amenable as they stand to gain.
- Presumably most independents would be against both on the Brexit grounds and because they’d lose their seats. Woodcock and similar might vote for it as a way of binning Corbyn.
Is that about right? That being the case a 15 Oct election looks like a 60% chance because of Corbyn, the SNP, and the one clause Bill route. But who knows?
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all..
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
What I have found most extraordinary since 2016 is the lack of political empathy shown by most people I’ve met that voted Remain, especially so versus most Leave voters I have met. It was a finely balanced and complex issue gang, nothing wrong with falling either side of the line!
Anecdotal experience that's not easily reconcilable with the abundant polling showing that (eg) Leavers would accept Northern Ireland going up in flames, Scottish independence or a member of their family losing their job for Brexit.
You love leavers it just you wouldnt want your family to marry one
If my daughter brought a leaver home he would be bounced straight out the door.
Once Boris extends with the EU till next spring, what’s to stop Labour waiting till next spring before allowing Boris an election. The opposition parties surely the biggest winners of 6th month of minority government? You have got to love this ftpa.
Daughter-in-law apparently voted Leave to her husband's (and parent's in law's) horror. Grandson is now 16, getting engaged with politics and a Remainer. There was apparently a very bitter argument with his mother a day or so ago.
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them? Surely you've raised them well, and they are independent thinkers.
Say to them: "You'll hopefully have a few more decades on this Earth than me. I have my own strong views about this issue, but the consequences of this decision may last longer with you than they do me.
So, (son and/or daughter): how would you like me to vote? I'm not beholden to your answer, but I'd like to know. Persuade me."
Who knows, they may persuade you. But the answer is not paternalistically pretending you know best.
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all.
Im also married to a remainer who'll probably vote LD. So its not as if I dont see things from the other side.
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
As you're a father, perhaps you can get one of them to teach you punctuation!
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them? Surely you've raised them well, and they are independent thinkers.
Say to them: "You'll hopefully have a few more decades on this Earth than me. I have my own strong views about this issue, but the consequences of this decision may last longer with you than they do me.
So, (son and/or daughter): how would you like me to vote? I'm not beholden to your answer, but I'd like to know. Persuade me."
Who knows, they may persuade you. But the answer is not paternalistically pretending you know best.
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all.
Im also married to a remainer who'll probably vote LD. So its not as if I dont see things from the other side.
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
What I have found most extraordinary since 2016 is the lack of political empathy shown by most people I’ve met that voted Remain, especially so versus most Leave voters I have met. It was a finely balanced and complex issue gang, nothing wrong with falling either side of the line!
I can honestly say I've not really seen much difference in empathy or any other characteristic between leavers or remainers of my acquaintance. For instance, there's one (foreign-born) UKIPper who's an absolute wingnut, and a remainer who is so staunch in her views that I fear current events will send her doolally.
That doesn’t make sense when its the generation who have done the best from globalization who are voting for Brexit!
were simply protecting our childrens interests
Which is a glib answer.
I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, and they're over eighteen, why don't you ask them? Surely you've raised them well, and they are independent thinkers.
Say to them: "You'll hopefully have a few more decades on this Earth than me. I have my own strong views about this issue, but the consequences of this decision may last longer with you than they do me.
So, (son and/or daughter): how would you like me to vote? I'm not beholden to your answer, but I'd like to know. Persuade me."
Who knows, they may persuade you. But the answer is not paternalistically pretending you know best.
I have 3 children 28, 26 and 23 if you seriously imagine I dont talk to them or understand their concerns your far off the mark. One voted remain, one voted leave and one couldnt see what the fuss was about. The last one ( the civil engineer ) was probably the most sensible of us all.
Im also married to a remainer who'll probably vote LD. So its not as if I dont see things from the other side.
And as for paternalism Ill be as paternalistic as I like thats the sodding point when youre a father,
What I have found most extraordinary since 2016 is the lack of political empathy shown by most people I’ve met that voted Remain, especially so versus most Leave voters I have met. It was a finely balanced and complex issue gang, nothing wrong with falling either side of the line!
I can honestly say I've not really seen much difference in empathy or any other characteristic between leavers or remainers of my acquaintance. For instance, there's one (foreign-born) UKIPper who's an absolute wingnut, and a remainer who is so staunch in her views that I fear current events will send her doolally.
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well of course Alistair, youre just shining beacon of tolerance.
remember all those oldies never went to University because they were all too thick, you keep telling me that.
For Sports: from the Wikipedia Gymnastics site
"The German Friedrich Ludwig Jahn started the German gymnastics movement in 1811 with lead to the invention of the parallel bars, rings, high bar, the pommel horse and the vault horse. " Jahn is famous enough in Germany to have an Athletics and minor football stadium named after him.
I'm sure there are other examples.
But boardgames arent exactly made for plating in the rain :-)
Once Boris extends with the EU till next spring, what’s to stop Labour waiting till next spring before allowing Boris an election. The opposition parties surely the biggest winners of 6th month of minority government? You have got to love this ftpa.
- Boris wants an election, and we can assume his 289 loyal MPs (and the DUP) would vote for it.
- Corbyn might want an election, but many of his backbenchers don’t. He seems to be saying yes, once the Queen signs the Act. Many of his backbenchers say not until after 31 Oct. They will abstain tonight be who knows about Fri/Mon.
- The SNP will vote for one once the Queen signs the Act. Presumably because they stand to gain massively.
- The LibDem position is unclear. The might be amenable as they stand to gain.
- Presumably most independents would be against both on the Brexit grounds and because they’d lose their seats. Woodcock and similar might vote for it as a way of binning Corbyn.
Is that about right? That being the case a 15 Oct election looks like a 60% chance because of Corbyn, the SNP, and the one clause Bill route. But who knows?
Seriously though, no offence was meant.