Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
I just dont get how asking how much someone has bet on something and at what price, when they have tipped it, is provocation for snidey remarks. Anyone I know in the industry would automatically ask the question.
It is always nice when a 100/1 tip makes it into a two horse race.
Ahem.
You don't seriously think Hunt will win, do you?
I'm not speaking for TSE but this betting business is about odds. He may not 'seriously think' Hunt will win, but he sure as heck is sitting pretty on a 100/1 bet. I'd take 2/1 right now.
(Actually I took 11/1 a couple of weeks ago)
I'll give you 2/1 right now if you want it.
Why would I take 2/1 when I'm on at 11/1 and very happy about that? If I didn't have a bet on I would be tempted by something much shorter. Why? Because we're dealing here with Boris Johnson. He's his own worst enemy and he's about to come under much more intense scrutiny.
Why? Because you said you'd take it. Nevermind, didn't think you would.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
If only choo-choo had stood!
If I had not had that ludicrous bet, and backed Lidington in the right market, things wouldnt look so sad
Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
I did a thread on his constituency and a few others.
Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
I did a thread on his constituency and a few others.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
I have no idea whether you've made money or lost it! Just as well I don't bet.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
I have been backing and laying in this market over 149 bets, including a cashout twice, so it is not very readable. The short version is that I am up a tenner if Boris wins a grand if Hunt does. I expect that at some point Boris will have a wobble at some point, so I may back him if the odds look good.
I didn't lay the favourite somuch as back some of the field.
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
I have no idea whether you've made money or lost it! Just as well I don't bet.
Lose 103 on Boris and win 573 Hunt. So on Hunt at bad levels
Other people seem scared to reveal their bets on this race. Here are mine. Not the best, but transparency is nice, especially when you are tipping stuff to others.
Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
I did a thread on his constituency and a few others.
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?
On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
Likewise. Thankfully laying JRM very heavily, and Leadsom then Rory significantly, has got my losses on Boris down to the point where I won’t mind. If I am lucky and he wobbles during the campaign, I may be able to get back to evens. Green on Hunt, so here’s hoping.
67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
I wouldn't take it for granted.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't seem that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
Seems incredible that Hunt was 100/1 at one point. Indeed, I got in at 110/1
You can thank Jacob Rees-Mogg for that, he managed to skew the betting markets.
How much did you lay of Boris?
Nearly as much as I did with JRM and Jeremy Corbyn in the next PM market.
You dont have to spin everything! How much did you lay of Boris and at what price?
I don't know, I'd rather not give an inaccurate answer because we know that would get you overexcited.
Surely your Betfair account is easy enough to read?
I'm not being nasty, or trying to upset you. Just interested to know how much people who tip stuff on here have on
I’m more amused by people who post with certainty that something will definitely happen (eg Duncan-Smith losing his seat at the next election) but without any hint that they’ve bet their mortgage on that absolute certainty.
A certain fan of polls would have filed for bankruptcy long since, if that were the yardstick.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
I agree, the free publicity for the Tories on national tv for what is an internal contest doesn't seem fair. The BBC debate was so amateurish that it might have be negative for them though. I went off all five candidates on the back of it
67/33 to Johnson according to the YouGov members poll from a month ago. I can't see many/any switchers.
I wouldn't take it for granted.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.
Even the people enthusiastic about Hunt don't see, that enthusiastic about him. How does he challenge Boris's tight grip on the members? Careful caution?
I think Boris needs to have a moment (get caught admitting he will never exit with No Deal) or gets accused by a former close ally of being really a Remainer who doesn't believe in Leave and only backed it to help with his leadership ambitions.
Now that Hunt has made the final two if Boris wins I'd expect him to keep Hunt at the Foreign Office or move him to the Treasury.
As for Gove I'd expect Boris will make him Transport Secretary or move him to Northern Ireland.
A government with no majority requires the goodwill of the big hitters not demoting rivals. Keep Gove at Environment or some other big department.
Presumably May and Hammond will be on the back benches for now ?
Yes and a number of other cabinet members. Prime Minister Hunt ( For @TSE .. ) will have great scope in making cabinet and other tiers of the greasy pole.
On the betting it's Andrea Leadsom who's dug me out of the hole and the fact I got on Hunt with Skybet last year at 100/1 and 66/1.
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
Well done to everyone who has gotten out of the red with Boris recently, can't be easy I imagine when he's favourite. The 'golden rule' of laying the favourite looks a bit doomed this time.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
I agree, the free publicity for the Tories on national tv for what is an internal contest doesn't seem fair. The BBC debate was so amateurish that it might have be negative for them though. I went off all five candidates on the back of it
Well, they are the Brexit Broadcasting Commission. And I never thought I'd feel that the BBC were biased. Even as a Liberal activist I thought they were reasonably fair but they've gone over the top in this!
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
There's no election on and we're not under purdah. The media isn't obligated to give equal coverage right now nor should they.
Though as it happens polls are just one measurement. The publicity of a party with zero MPs has been quite massively overblown if you want to look at it that way. Everyone can spin it in a way to suit their own agenda.
Who is going to be our next PM is massively in the public interest whether you're a Tory or not and this notion its an internal Tory debate is patently absurd when the Tories have over 300MPs and Downing Street.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
There's no election on and we're not under purdah. The media isn't obligated to give equal coverage right now nor should they.
Though as it happens polls are just one measurement. The publicity of a party with zero MPs has been quite massively overblown if you want to look at it that way. Everyone can spin it in a way to suit their own agenda.
Who is going to be our next PM is massively in the public interest whether you're a Tory or not and this notion its an internal Tory debate is patently absurd when the Tories have over 300MPs and Downing Street.
I'd actually agree with that. This is not free publicity for the Tories, it's not even as though it shows them in a particularly good light, it's just a natural consequence of a more media saturated society facing up to the nature of our political system being that a party changing its leader can, in these circumstances, also mean who will be PM.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
I agree, the free publicity for the Tories on national tv for what is an internal contest doesn't seem fair. The BBC debate was so amateurish that it might have be negative for them though. I went off all five candidates on the back of it
Well, they are the Brexit Broadcasting Commission.
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.
The point is that Hunt needs to tread carefully. A heavy defeat could be crtically damaging.
What is this with the grey T-shirts and black shorts? Is there something about Tory leadership hopefuls that makes them go running every time they see a camera?
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
There's no election on and we're not under purdah. The media isn't obligated to give equal coverage right now nor should they.
Though as it happens polls are just one measurement. The publicity of a party with zero MPs has been quite massively overblown if you want to look at it that way. Everyone can spin it in a way to suit their own agenda.
Who is going to be our next PM is massively in the public interest whether you're a Tory or not and this notion its an internal Tory debate is patently absurd when the Tories have over 300MPs and Downing Street.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
There's no election on and we're not under purdah. The media isn't obligated to give equal coverage right now nor should they.
Though as it happens polls are just one measurement. The publicity of a party with zero MPs has been quite massively overblown if you want to look at it that way. Everyone can spin it in a way to suit their own agenda.
Who is going to be our next PM is massively in the public interest whether you're a Tory or not and this notion its an internal Tory debate is patently absurd when the Tories have over 300MPs and Downing Street.
I don’t think many people give a shit which Tory occupies Downing Street unless you are a Tory. There are a few respectable sane one on here and out there but the rest are working hard to remove none believers who are well respected constituency MPs. Does it matter wether the turd has ketchup or brown sauce on, I doubt it.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
This is basically me. I have no expectations of the man, but God help me it's starting to feel like it might be ok. Bloody Boris.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
Yep, very, very impressive.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
If Boris really wants to gamble smart, he could treat this last stage of the leadership election as the opening of an autumn General Election campaign ... loads of free media, Corbyn out of sight, and a chunk of extra time to 'fatten the pig' of whatever populist policies he might wish to embed in the public consciousness before election day.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I agree 100%
I look forward to coming back home to the Tories with excitement. I didn't feel comfortable with May, realistically I'll be happy with either Hunt or Boris but Boris is far more exciting.
If he can create optimism within the general membership, I don't think this will be at all close.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Edit: Seems more likely people are just indulting in optimism based on nothing more than some good marshalling of MP votes, when those MPs are far less flexible in other matters. Believe me, I hope he does better than I think, but I dont see what the campaign tells us about that.
You might as well have claimed that May managing to spank all the other candidates in 2016 showed what a good sign that was for her premiership...
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
Yep, very, very impressive.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I hope Hunt doesn't pull out and this goes all the way to the members vote. It will give Boris the grilling he needs before any potential election (consider it a dry run) and if it is very one-sided in the result give him a major mandate that May always lacked.
However much someone may warm to Hague on a personal level, how can you make a case for him as a party leader? He made zero progress from an incredibly low base in 2001; So to put him above MacMillan and third greatest Tory leader since 1945... wow!
And Major on minus 10 says a lot about the modern Conservative Party. Sure, 1997 was a disaster... but not wholly of his making, and 1992 was a shock win. He's also a clearly decent man. What sort of conceivable case can be made to say he was worse than Eden, whose legacy was one of a self-inflicted national humiliation?
And May way below Cameron? May's failure IS Cameron's failure. The most that can be said is she failed to clean up the huge, stinking turd he left behind for her.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
Yep, very, very impressive.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
Gavin Williamson is not yet PM?
If you hear he is from foreign sources it'll most likely be true.
Now that Hunt has made the final two if Boris wins I'd expect him to keep Hunt at the Foreign Office or move him to the Treasury.
As for Gove I'd expect Boris will make him Transport Secretary or move him to Northern Ireland.
I'd be delighted if he became transport secretary.
Nick Palmer once said he thought Gove was the sort of person who if you made him ambassador to Outer Mongolia he would rapidly come up with lots of ideas on how to further Anglo-Mongolian relations.
I think this is an interesting hypothesis and it deserves testing.
I hope Hunt doesn't pull out and this goes all the way to the members vote. It will give Boris the grilling he needs before any potential election (consider it a dry run) and if it is very one-sided in the result give him a major mandate that May always lacked.
Other than sparing humiliation I don't see why he would do so, although I suppose if he loses really badly he might not get a good job under Boris. But I would think he'll stick it out.
However much someone may warm to Hague on a personal level, how can you make a case for him as a party leader? He made zero progress from an incredibly low base in 2001; So to put him above MacMillan and third greatest Tory leader since 1945... wow!
And Major on minus 10 says a lot about the modern Conservative Party. Sure, 1997 was a disaster... but not wholly of his making, and 1992 was a shock win. He's also a clearly decent man. What sort of conceivable case can be made to say he was worse than Eden, whose legacy was one of a self-inflicted national humiliation?
And May way below Cameron? May's failure IS Cameron's failure. The most that can be said is she failed to clean up the huge, stinking turd he left behind for her.
Major did well in the 1992 election but his handling of Black Wednesday was atrocious.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North. If she didn't think she could implement a good Brexit she shouldn't have been so hubristic as to think she should be the PM to implement it.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I agree 100%
I look forward to coming back home to the Tories with excitement. I didn't feel comfortable with May, realistically I'll be happy with either Hunt or Boris but Boris is far more exciting.
If he can create optimism within the general membership, I don't think this will be at all close.
I can sleep at night now knowing the Tory’s are finished for a long time if you believe any of this ‘superb’ campaign management stuff is an indication of competence to come.
I think what most people who object to Boris because he is lazy or not a 'details ' man forget is that the best bosses sometimes are those (for whatever reason) just allow others to get on with it . Micro managing is an over rated trait in politics , prime ministers and CEOs.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
To be honest this wall to wall free publicity for a party on 21% is a disgrace whilst the party on 19% is ignored. Yes the more we realize they really don’t know what they are doing it helps but really there is other news out there. It’s even giving corbyn a free ride on his none brexit confusion. We know they are only interested in their party and don’t give a f... about the country, leave them too it and tell us who is now likely to be shortest ever serving pm in history when it’s over.
I think what most people who object to Boris because he is lazy or not a 'details ' man forget is that the best bosses sometimes are those (for whatever reason) just allow others to get on with it . Micro managing is an over rated trait in politics , prime ministers and CEOs.
This can be true, but they do need to be competent, able to get a grip on things if needed and fulfill their own role well. We must hope Boris can do that.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.
Now that Hunt has made the final two if Boris wins I'd expect him to keep Hunt at the Foreign Office or move him to the Treasury.
As for Gove I'd expect Boris will make him Transport Secretary or move him to Northern Ireland.
I'd be delighted if he became transport secretary.
Nick Palmer once said he thought Gove was the sort of person who if you made him ambassador to Outer Mongolia he would rapidly come up with lots of ideas on how to further Anglo-Mongolian relations.
I think this is an interesting hypothesis and it deserves testing.
Gove will be fine. Assistant editor of the Standard is a well-paid job after all.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.
Boris needs to be decisive, organised and make choices. Something May failed to do.
When Britain had voted to "take back control" May said 'I'll do it' then when everyone said 'well, what are you doing?' she just ummed and ahhed. Until eventually everyone dug their own trenches around her while she continued to prevaricate.
Boris can't delay. He needs to pick a path and go for it.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
Yep, very, very impressive.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
Gavin Williamson is not yet PM?
A good leader builds a good team. And Boris's team has been bloody good in this campaign so far...
I think what most people who object to Boris because he is lazy or not a 'details ' man forget is that the best bosses sometimes are those (for whatever reason) just allow others to get on with it . Micro managing is an over rated trait in politics , prime ministers and CEOs.
This can be true, but they do need to be competent, able to get a grip on things if needed and fulfill their own role well. We must hope Boris can do that.
yes true - I think Boris is quite good at that - He is very able at using humour and enthusiasm to wriggle out of cock ups . In a way Ken Clarke and Boris are much the same
Stephen Crabb represents "The field". I had cashed out of the market at one point which is why I am green on obvious non entities like him and Nigel Farage.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.
Sure. It’s called optimism. It’s been a while so far as politics is concerned but I remember it.
However much someone may warm to Hague on a personal level, how can you make a case for him as a party leader? He made zero progress from an incredibly low base in 2001; So to put him above MacMillan and third greatest Tory leader since 1945... wow!
And Major on minus 10 says a lot about the modern Conservative Party. Sure, 1997 was a disaster... but not wholly of his making, and 1992 was a shock win. He's also a clearly decent man. What sort of conceivable case can be made to say he was worse than Eden, whose legacy was one of a self-inflicted national humiliation?
And May way below Cameron? May's failure IS Cameron's failure. The most that can be said is she failed to clean up the huge, stinking turd he left behind for her.
Major did well in the 1992 election but his handling of Black Wednesday was atrocious.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North. If she didn't think she could implement a good Brexit she shouldn't have been so hubristic as to think she should be the PM to implement it.
His predecessor took us into the ERM, to be fair - reluctantly, but she did it. And they did ultimately take the only available option on Black Wednesday itself. So it was a fiasco, but shared blame with his predecessor and his Chancellor.
May isn't below Eden for me. Both presided over national humiliation. But May merely played a poor hand badly - it was a Cameron created disaster. Eden's humiliation was his alone - totally unnecessary, and his responsibility almost entirely. History means these things fade a bit, but Suez was a massive deal.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.
Boris needs to be decisive, organised and make choices. Something May failed to do.
When Britain had voted to "take back control" May said 'I'll do it' then when everyone said 'well, what are you doing?' she just ummed and ahhed. Until eventually everyone dug their own trenches around her while she continued to prevaricate.
Boris can't delay. He needs to pick a path and go for it.
He is aided in that in that he has a lot less time to play with, and May has already tried so many of the options to defer matters. Which is why I think the idea Boris will bypass the spatan ERGers is overly hopeful - it is not the easiest thing for him to do.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
I think you are seeing what you hope will be true. What's the easiest path for Boris to take is the key question. It's the reason May delayed over and over, and it will inform what Boris does.
Sure. It’s called optimism. It’s been a while so far as politics is concerned but I remember it.
Optimism is fine, I'm merely questioning the basis for that optimism. Some are using the same dominance of the MP vote to be pessimistic about what he will do.
Now that Hunt has made the final two if Boris wins I'd expect him to keep Hunt at the Foreign Office or move him to the Treasury.
As for Gove I'd expect Boris will make him Transport Secretary or move him to Northern Ireland.
I'd be delighted if he became transport secretary.
Nick Palmer once said he thought Gove was the sort of person who if you made him ambassador to Outer Mongolia he would rapidly come up with lots of ideas on how to further Anglo-Mongolian relations.
I think this is an interesting hypothesis and it deserves testing.
I think that's right.
It's a really positive side of him that he considers no job beneath him.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.
May wasn't in office as PM for 12 years.
Furthermore yes I mean it, May is far worse than Eden. The ghost of Eden can rest easy now knowing that "worst since Eden" is no longer the benchmark.
May has dithered, prevaricated, wasted time, achieved nothing while we are meant to be undergoing the most serious peacetime transformation in our constitution with a short window of opportunity. She failed to carry the Commons or her Party or the country with her, she has by a very long margin had record defeats.
While away from Brexit she has let her authoritarian streak run wild wherever she can.
There are no positives to her name that I can think of.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
I really don't get this. What parts of a Tory leadership contest among MPs is goign to make a difference to passing a Brexit deal or achieving a new one?
Keeping the possibility of a no deal Brexit on the table in a vaguely credible way is key. Can he scare enough Labour MPs into supporting the deal he comes up with (which will, of course, be very similar to Mays deal) to get the deal to pass, whatever the loons in the ERG say. I am beginning to believe he can. But we shall see soon enough.
Maybe May's real offence wasn't the deal but that she didn't stroke their egos enough?
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
Yep, very, very impressive.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
Gavin Williamson is not yet PM?
A good leader builds a good team. And Boris's team has been bloody good in this campaign so far...
The spin is starting. Boris the leader and his great team.
I’m going to be honest here. I thought Gavin Williamson was a pretentious prick with minimal ability and a ridiculous ego. But bloody hell, Frank Underwood eat your heart out. This has been an awesome campaign. Just awesome.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North.
No she wasn't. One, because no PM who survived twelve years in office can be considered a 'worst' PM, and two, because there at least a dozen PMs that have been far worse than May. Goderich, Portland, Melbourne, Aberdeen, Campbell-Bannerman, Eden all spring to mind without breaking a sweat.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.
May wasn't in office as PM for 12 years.
No, but Lord North was.
The rest of your post was frankly guff. If you think some indecisiveness is worse than conspiring to launch an illegal war to expropriate sovereign territory from another state, your views are not worth responding to.
However much someone may warm to Hague on a personal level, how can you make a case for him as a party leader? He made zero progress from an incredibly low base in 2001; So to put him above MacMillan and third greatest Tory leader since 1945... wow!
And Major on minus 10 says a lot about the modern Conservative Party. Sure, 1997 was a disaster... but not wholly of his making, and 1992 was a shock win. He's also a clearly decent man. What sort of conceivable case can be made to say he was worse than Eden, whose legacy was one of a self-inflicted national humiliation?
And May way below Cameron? May's failure IS Cameron's failure. The most that can be said is she failed to clean up the huge, stinking turd he left behind for her.
Major did well in the 1992 election but his handling of Black Wednesday was atrocious.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North. If she didn't think she could implement a good Brexit she shouldn't have been so hubristic as to think she should be the PM to implement it.
His predecessor took us into the ERM, to be fair - reluctantly, but she did it. And they did ultimately take the only available option on Black Wednesday itself. So it was a fiasco, but shared blame with his predecessor and his Chancellor.
May isn't below Eden for me. Both presided over national humiliation. But May merely played a poor hand badly - it was a Cameron created disaster. Eden's humiliation was his alone - totally unnecessary, and his responsibility almost entirely. History means these things fade a bit, but Suez was a massive deal.
May wasn't dealt a poor hand. The card had been played face up on the table, she saw them and said "I want that hand" and picked them up. You can't blame your cards, when they're cards you chose to have.
If she didn't think a good Brexit was in her control, as Cameron didn't, then she should have done the honourable thing like Cameron did and step to one side. There were plenty of alternatives who thought Brexit was a good thing, actively campaigned for it and could have drawn a positive vision for the future.
Bryan Gould would have been an interesting leader for Labour, and if had won would have prevented Blair getting the opportunity. I always liked his style and politics, but with his sane Euroscepticism (he resigned from John Smiths front bench over Maastricht) would have taken Labour in a very different direction. He would have won in 97, but not the same landslide.
Bryan got just 9%. That effectively ended his career. Will Hunt top that?
He went back to NZ and made a difference didn’t he? Ended political career, yes but arguably did more good.
The point is that Hunt needs to tread carefully. A heavy defeat could be crtically damaging.
Maybe Hunt will surprise and land some serious punches?
In hospital with a suspected heart blockage. Not the best 24 hours. Moving me to Sheffield for an angiogram tomorrow or Monday to confirm what can be done.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!
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Effectively I am on at these levels
Boris -294 @0.735
Hunt +5 @92.60
Stewart -35 @10.29
Raab +1 @2546.51
Leadsom -5 @8.41
Morgan +7 @107.06
Patel -0.98 @-369.79
Mordaunt +39 @45.83
Portillo +37 @1000.00
McVey +11 @91.82
Cleverly +8 @143.94
Lidington +100 @8.38
Davidson -5 @16.50
Gove +10 @74.00
I was nursing a fat red on Boris until very recently.
I didn't lay the favourite somuch as back some of the field.
Boris might only win 56-44 in extremis.
I think Boris will scrap HS2.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Gateway_Bridge
That's me done.
Mark Reckless wants you to abstain/spoil your ballot paper.
Though as it happens polls are just one measurement. The publicity of a party with zero MPs has been quite massively overblown if you want to look at it that way. Everyone can spin it in a way to suit their own agenda.
Who is going to be our next PM is massively in the public interest whether you're a Tory or not and this notion its an internal Tory debate is patently absurd when the Tories have over 300MPs and Downing Street.
Hunt is about to be arse wiped. Boris has won without being beholden to anyone (except Gavin). It puts him in as powerful a position as the Tories, as a minority party, can give him. If he can deliver Brexit the sky is the limit. He was not my choice, not even my second choice, but I feel a slight sliver of optimism. After 3 years of smacking my head against the wall with Theresa it feels good.
For the first time since 8th June 2017 it feels like someone is actually in control of events (even if they're not yet Prime Minister)
We had this sort of thing in the HoC too - Blackford and his mob. The next thing you know they'll suggest that the Scots should be given the vote.
I look forward to coming back home to the Tories with excitement. I didn't feel comfortable with May, realistically I'll be happy with either Hunt or Boris but Boris is far more exciting.
If he can create optimism within the general membership, I don't think this will be at all close.
Edit: Seems more likely people are just indulting in optimism based on nothing more than some good marshalling of MP votes, when those MPs are far less flexible in other matters. Believe me, I hope he does better than I think, but I dont see what the campaign tells us about that.
You might as well have claimed that May managing to spank all the other candidates in 2016 showed what a good sign that was for her premiership...
However much someone may warm to Hague on a personal level, how can you make a case for him as a party leader? He made zero progress from an incredibly low base in 2001; So to put him above MacMillan and third greatest Tory leader since 1945... wow!
And Major on minus 10 says a lot about the modern Conservative Party. Sure, 1997 was a disaster... but not wholly of his making, and 1992 was a shock win. He's also a clearly decent man. What sort of conceivable case can be made to say he was worse than Eden, whose legacy was one of a self-inflicted national humiliation?
And May way below Cameron? May's failure IS Cameron's failure. The most that can be said is she failed to clean up the huge, stinking turd he left behind for her.
I think this is an interesting hypothesis and it deserves testing.
May should be below everyone. Worst leader since Lord North. If she didn't think she could implement a good Brexit she shouldn't have been so hubristic as to think she should be the PM to implement it.
What you really mean is, you don't like her and Lord North is the only other PM you've ever heard something bad about.
As I said, only betting play money. At least I am green on both remaining candidates.
When Britain had voted to "take back control" May said 'I'll do it' then when everyone said 'well, what are you doing?' she just ummed and ahhed. Until eventually everyone dug their own trenches around her while she continued to prevaricate.
Boris can't delay. He needs to pick a path and go for it.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Edwards/status/1141713373652017153
A good couple of pints out of that you otherwise wouldn't enjoy.
Oh, I also stuck 2 quid on Malthouse.
May isn't below Eden for me. Both presided over national humiliation. But May merely played a poor hand badly - it was a Cameron created disaster. Eden's humiliation was his alone - totally unnecessary, and his responsibility almost entirely. History means these things fade a bit, but Suez was a massive deal.
It's a really positive side of him that he considers no job beneath him.
Furthermore yes I mean it, May is far worse than Eden. The ghost of Eden can rest easy now knowing that "worst since Eden" is no longer the benchmark.
May has dithered, prevaricated, wasted time, achieved nothing while we are meant to be undergoing the most serious peacetime transformation in our constitution with a short window of opportunity. She failed to carry the Commons or her Party or the country with her, she has by a very long margin had record defeats.
While away from Brexit she has let her authoritarian streak run wild wherever she can.
There are no positives to her name that I can think of.
Thanks Alastair, appreciated.
Complete Bullshit.
No different to Theresa May. Same team.
The rest of your post was frankly guff. If you think some indecisiveness is worse than conspiring to launch an illegal war to expropriate sovereign territory from another state, your views are not worth responding to.
If she didn't think a good Brexit was in her control, as Cameron didn't, then she should have done the honourable thing like Cameron did and step to one side. There were plenty of alternatives who thought Brexit was a good thing, actively campaigned for it and could have drawn a positive vision for the future.
Surprised to see Hunt in 2nd.
Easy win for Boris now.
My main concern is still being around to collect my winnings on the market!