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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Elected in East

    Richard Tice Brexit
    Michael Heaver Brexit
    June Mummery Brexit

    Barbara Gibson LD
    Lucy Nethsingha LD

    Catherine Rowett Green

    Geoffrey Van Orden Con
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221
    Ave_it said:

    Helen Whateley has drawn the short (nonplastic) straw -she was on for local elections too!

    She looks about 17. What a gig!
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,970
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Brexit Party get 38% in perhaps their best region.
    >
    > Suggest they may just slip below 30% overall to me.

    Is the East of England the best region?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376

    So the Tories that voted Leave in 2016 probably voted to destroy the Union and the Tory party.



    Take a bow.

    Darth Vader: "This is a day long to be remembered: it has seen the end of Theresa May. It shall soon see the end of the Tory Party!"

    :lol:
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Terrible result for BXP < 30% punters
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    > @HYUFD said:
    > 3 Brexit Party MEPs and 2 LD and 1 Green and 1 Tory MEP elected from the East of England

    Good result for the Lib Dems and Greens but the fact is that their combined vote is not as much as the BP.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    > @Alistair said:
    > Terrible result for BXP < 30% punters

    Not sure that's true. 38% in their best region could mean just below 30% overall.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Thornberry' analysis isn't ageing well. That was Tory voters fleeing to the Liberal Democrats and Labour fleeing to Greens.

    ?

    In the East?

    Most Tory flight was definitely to BXP, "assisted" by the fact UKIP had already done well five years ago
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited May 2019
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > So the Tories that voted Leave in 2016 probably voted to destroy the Union and the Tory party.
    >
    > Take a bow.

    Brexit Party second in Scotland and SNP under 40% and Brexit Party well ahead in Wales so not certain about that in terms of the Union.

    The Brexit Party over 30% and the Tories under 10% nationwide though shows the Tories on life support which may be switched off if they fail to deliver Brexit
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    anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,578
    > @RobinWiggs said:
    > It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls.
    >
    > Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election.
    >
    > In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain.
    >
    > And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here.
    >
    > Deeply depressed tonight.

    Agree with this analysis. Brexit is now very unlikely to go ahead - the only way it could happen is if the EU refuse a further A50 extension, but that is not likely.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Current BBC vote percentages: Brexit 33%, Lib Dem 20%, Lab 13%, Green 12%, Con 9%

    Live chance Greens will now supplant Labour in third. Tories in ruins.
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    TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    > @DavidL said:
    > > @HYUFD said:
    > > 3 Brexit Party MEPs and 2 LD and 1 Green and 1 Tory MEP elected from the East of England
    >
    > Good result for the Lib Dems and Greens but the fact is that their combined vote is not as much as the BP.

    Addin CHUK and it is
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Suzanne Evans just said we're seeing the death of two parties, causing Emily Thornberry to flinch, but then went on to name Change UK and UKIP. :smiley:
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    >
    > > So the Tories that voted Leave in 2016 probably voted to destroy the Union and the Tory party.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Take a bow.
    >
    >
    >
    > Ta. We owe you one.
    >
    > Don't get overexcited, I remember your 'the clueless wonders are in for a shock' comment the day before the Indyref.

    The clueless wonders thought that Project Fear had saved the Union. It hadn’t. It had undermined the very foundations of the Union.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    TGOHF said:

    Con win an MEP - good result for the minor party.

    Three leavers, three remainers, and one who knows?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    I'm calling it - no Lab or Con in the SW - it needed themto hold up well to manage that I think.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,902
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Alistair said:
    > > Am I mad or does the BBC website not have individual council results?
    >
    > Of course they don't, it would be too much like hard work for them.

    How much notice did they have this time? Not a lot.
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Y0kel said:

    > @_Anazina_ said:

    > Emily Thornberry would stuff Boris in a General Election.



    Yeah two extremely silver spooners. Thats representative of the masses.

    Might be worth your looking up Thornberry’s background.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,872

    > @TGOHF said:

    >





    Three weeks ago:



    ' The Conservatives have secured a majority on North East Lincolnshire Council for the first time in the local authority’s 23-year history. '



    https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/conservatives-win-north-east-lincolnshire-2827069
    Aside from the frivolity, this is a really significant comparison.

    People have not changed their opinion en masse in three weeks. Voting for the Brexit Party in a referendum-by-any-other-name does not mean you'd vote for them if they stood for your local council. It therefore does not mean you'd necessarily vote for them in Westminster.

    We are probably overstating the death of the Conservative Party, the emergence of the Faragistes, and the revival of the Lib Dems.

    That said, who knows anything any more.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,889
    > @Richard_Tyndall said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Brexit Party get 38% in perhaps their best region.
    > >
    > > Suggest they may just slip below 30% overall to me.
    >
    > Is the East of England the best region?

    39% in the North East. Probably something similar in the East and West Midlands.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,136
    > @SouthamObserver said:
    > Revoke and Remain one point behind No Deal in the East of England. The overall result could be very interesting.

    Especially given the turnout differential between Remain and Leave regions.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    If Thornberry's only positive is the defeat of Tommy Robinson, she knows she is struggling to find anything to say about her own Party
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited May 2019
    It has to be Gove now, I think, as my preferred candidate
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    79% counted in France

    LePen 25.13
    Macron 21.52
    Greens 12.71
    Republicains8.37
    Melenchon 6.25
    Socialists 5.99

    rest well below threshold
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376

    Laura K has a bit of cleavage going on tonight.

    It keeps us abreast of events...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    > @TGOHF said:
    > > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > > > @TGOHF said:
    > > > > @Casino_Royale said:
    > > > > SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum.
    > > >
    > > > They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored.
    > >
    > > You okay, hun?
    >
    > I’m enjoying the results immensely, tarrier.

    Lol, since I'm born & baptised Church of Scotland you should at least choose your sectarian slurs a bit more carefully. Still, I'm sure Ruth can organise some diversity training for you.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    > @StuartDickson said:

    > Daft Swedish public broadcaster SVT saying that the UK is leaving the EU.

    >

    > I wonder when it’ll sink in...



    Technically correct. The UK will cease to be a member when it is dissolved.

    If Scotland votes for independence, and England then Revokes - Scotland would cease to be a member of the EU even though they were the most vocal about staying in.

    That would be - ironic...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    Does the Pandas and Tories joke work south of the border?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    DavidL said:

    > @HYUFD said:

    > 3 Brexit Party MEPs and 2 LD and 1 Green and 1 Tory MEP elected from the East of England



    Good result for the Lib Dems and Greens but the fact is that their combined vote is not as much as the BP.

    Remainers can take a draw in East with London and Scotland to come.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    Brxit party win 19 out of 22 constituencies in Wales - Plaid win the other 3
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    oldpoliticsoldpolitics Posts: 455
    > @Richard_Tyndall said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Brexit Party get 38% in perhaps their best region.
    > >
    > > Suggest they may just slip below 30% overall to me.
    >
    > Is the East of England the best region?

    Given they got 39% in the North East, it already isn't.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,356
    Emily Thornberry, "Jeremy is overwhelmingly a democrat". Not completely then. This is increasingly sounding like a leadership challenge.
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2019
    First projections from Italy for La7


    Lega 32
    PD 21.7
    5 Stars 19.6
    Forza Italia 8.6
    Fratelli Italia 6.2
    +Europa 3.4

    Projections for Rai

    Lega 30%
    PD 21.3%
    5 Stars 20.2%
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554

    It has to be Gove now, I think, as my preferred candidate

    I came to that realisation earlier on this afternoon.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919
    bunnco said:

    South Norfolk



    Change 1421 3.51%

    Conservative 4774 11.80%

    English Dem 268 0.66%

    Green 6547 16.19%

    Labour 2305 5.70%

    LibDem 9495 23.48%

    Brexit 14288 35.33%

    UKIP 1255 3.10%

    Ind 91 0.23%

    40444



    Bunnco - Your Man [absolutely] on the Spot

    Bunnco! Welcome back, dude!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947

    Current BBC vote percentages: Brexit 33%, Lib Dem 20%, Lab 13%, Green 12%, Con 9%



    Live chance Greens will now supplant Labour in third. Tories in ruins.

    We knew they would be in ruins, it's a question of if there is enough left to make a decent afternoon outing to take a look at the wreckage. It's borderline. Lab are doing quite a bit worse than I had thought, but no, Tories, that won't distract from your result as you might only get 2 MEPs!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Brexit Party now on 31% overall.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    edited May 2019
    London region results

    LDs first Labour Party 2nd Brexit Party 3rd Greens 4th Conservatives 5th
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,236
    > @williamglenn said:
    > Suzanne Evans just said we're seeing the death of two parties, causing Emily Thornberry to flinch, but then went on to name Change UK and UKIP. :smiley:


    Cuks fcuked.

    Been dying to use that one.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,046
    > @Richard_Tyndall said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Brexit Party get 38% in perhaps their best region.
    > >
    > > Suggest they may just slip below 30% overall to me.
    >
    > Is the East of England the best region?

    I would have thought that BRX will get high 30s in:

    SW England
    East England
    NE England
    Wales

    They'll get mid-30s in:

    The West Midlands
    NW England
    East Midlands
    Yorkshire & The Humber

    Low 30s in:

    SE England

    20s in:

    Scotland
    London

    (This is based on the assumption they get 33% or so overall)
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,872

    Elected in East



    Richard Tice Brexit

    Michael Heaver Brexit

    June Mummery Brexit



    Barbara Gibson LD

    Lucy Nethsingha LD



    Catherine Rowett Green



    Geoffrey Van Orden Con

    @ydoethur , I trust you recognise the Gloucestershire organist connection there?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,195
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Alistair said:
    > > Terrible result for BXP < 30% punters
    >
    > Not sure that's true. 38% in their best region could mean just below 30% overall.

    Ukip got 34.5% in the East in 2014 vs a UK total of 26.6%. It could be touch and go.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,902
    Close between CHUK and Tory in London.
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    > @AndreaParma_82 said:
    > 79% counted in France
    >
    > LePen 25.13
    > Macron 21.52
    > Greens 12.71
    > Republicains8.37
    > Melenchon 6.25
    > Socialists 5.99
    >
    > rest well below threshold <

    +++++

    OK, that's a significant thrashing for Macron, and a good result for Le Pen/Gilets Jaunes
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    > @williamglenn said:
    > > @StuartDickson said:
    > > Daft Swedish public broadcaster SVT saying that the UK is leaving the EU.
    > >
    > > I wonder when it’ll sink in...
    >
    > Technically correct. The UK will cease to be a member when it is dissolved.

    That’s a keeper! :blush:
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,762
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,376
    Tories in 5th in London!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2019
    London:

    LDs 608,725
    Lab 536,810
    Brexit 400,257
    Green 278,957
    Con 177,964
    ChangeUK 117,635
    UKIP 46,497

    LD 27%
    Lab 24%
    BRX 18%
    Green 12%
    Con 8%
    CUK 5%
    UKIP 2%
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Liberal Democrats win handsomely in London.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947

    > @TGOHF said:

    >





    Three weeks ago:



    ' The Conservatives have secured a majority on North East Lincolnshire Council for the first time in the local authority’s 23-year history. '



    https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/conservatives-win-north-east-lincolnshire-2827069
    Aside from the frivolity, this is a really significant comparison.

    People have not changed their opinion en masse in three weeks. Voting for the Brexit Party in a referendum-by-any-other-name does not mean you'd vote for them if they stood for your local council. It therefore does not mean you'd necessarily vote for them in Westminster.

    We are probably overstating the death of the Conservative Party, the emergence of the Faragistes, and the revival of the Lib Dems.

    That said, who knows anything any more.
    There may be something in what you say, but the actual problem for the Torie is not just this, they hope temporary, loss of support to the Brexit Party, it is how they dig themselves out of this whole. I see no shovel handy with which to do so.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,554
    To think the grief Mike got for tipping the Lib Dems to beat the Brexit Party in London.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    London:

    Animal Welfare Party: 25,232
    Change UK: 117,635
    Conservatives: 177,964
    Greens: 278,957
    Labour: 536,810
    Lib Dems: 608,725
    Brexit Party: 400,257
    UKEUP: 18,806
    Ukip: 46,497
    Women's Equality Party: 23,766

    Seats:

    3 LDs
    2 Lab
    2 Brexit
    1 Green

    **ENDS**
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    Over half a million Brexiters in London..
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    3 LD MEPs elected in London 2 Brexit Party MEPs and 2 Labour MEPs and 1 Green MEP
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    edited May 2019
    LDs three in London to Labour’s two
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    AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Elected in London

    Irina Von Wiese LD
    Dinesh Dhamija LD
    Luisa Porritt LD
    Claude Moraes Lab
    Sebastian Dance Lab
    Benyamin Habib Brexit
    Lance Forman Brexit
    Scott Ainsli Greens
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    Elected in East



    Richard Tice Brexit

    Michael Heaver Brexit

    June Mummery Brexit



    Barbara Gibson LD

    Lucy Nethsingha LD



    Catherine Rowett Green



    Geoffrey Van Orden Con

    @ydoethur , I trust you recognise the Gloucestershire organist connection there?
    Andrew Nethsingha's wife?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    2 Brexit party for Landon.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    > @_Anazina_ said:
    > > @_Anazina_ said:
    >
    > > Emily Thornberry would stuff Boris in a General Election.
    >
    >
    >
    > Yeah two extremely silver spooners. Thats representative of the masses.
    >
    > Might be worth your looking up Thornberry’s background.

    Yeah, thats a tough life...really....
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    Con 8% in London
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919

    So the Tories that voted Leave in 2016 probably voted to destroy the Union and the Tory party.



    Take a bow.

    Darth Vader: "This is a day long to be remembered: it has seen the end of Theresa May. It shall soon see the end of the Tory Party!"

    :lol:
    er, you do know what happened next...?
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    brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    Labour and the Brexit party get the same number of seats in London, LDs get 3 and the Tories Zero. Who would have thought that!
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,115
    > @Black_Rook said:
    > London:
    >
    > Animal Welfare Party: 25,232
    > Change UK: 117,635
    > Conservatives: 177,964
    > Greens: 278,957
    > Labour: 536,810
    > Lib Dems: 608,725
    > Brexit Party: 400,257
    > UKEUP: 18,806
    > Ukip: 46,497
    > Women's Equality Party: 23,766
    >
    > Seats:
    >
    > 3 LDs
    > 2 Lab
    > 2 Brexit
    > 1 Green
    >
    > **ENDS**

    Who predicted over a million LibDem votes in London ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    How annoying, Labour losing my London bet by 3%.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    To think the grief Mike got for tipping the Lib Dems to beat the Brexit Party in London.

    If the Chuks had stood aside, the Yellows would be cleaning up here.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    > @IanB2 said:
    > Con 8% in London

    Sky saying zero seats for tories in London
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,248
    > @Black_Rook said:
    > London:
    >
    > Animal Welfare Party: 25,232
    > Change UK: 117,635
    > Conservatives: 177,964
    > Greens: 278,957
    > Labour: 536,810
    > Lib Dems: 608,725
    > Brexit Party: 400,257
    > UKEUP: 18,806
    > Ukip: 46,497
    > Women's Equality Party: 23,766
    >
    > Seats:
    >
    > 3 LDs
    > 2 Lab
    > 2 Brexit
    > 1 Green
    >
    > **ENDS**

    Wow! The Lib Dems walked it! 3 seats!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,472
    I've got a feeling I'm going to narrowly miss out on all my bets tonight.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    > @CarlottaVance said:
    > Emma vs Emily:
    >
    > https://twitter.com/EmmaLewellBuck/status/1132766995122937857

    They're as hopelessly trapped as the Tories. The only consolation for Labour is that they're not getting so completely smashed. Yet.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    IanB2 said:

    Con 8% in London

    I'd call that practically encouraging given they are struggling to get more than that nationally - they'd hope to be able to push about 10% if they are at 8% in London.

    Rough times.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,325
    The Cons expected a hammering from Farage but the LibDem surge presents them with as big a challenge, both electorally and on Brexit.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,136
    > @AndyJS said:
    > London:
    >
    > LDs 608,725
    > Lab 536,810
    > Brexit 400,257
    > Green 278,957
    > Con 177,964
    > ChangeUK 117,635
    > UKIP 46,497
    >
    > LD 27%
    > Lab 24%
    > BRX 18%
    > Green 12%
    > Con 8%
    > CUK 5%
    > UKIP 2%

    So there Brexit has less than half the percentage Leave got in the referendum. So given the high turnout in Remain territory it certainly looks plausible that Brexit could drop below 30%.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    > @Y0kel said:
    > > @_Anazina_ said:
    > > > @_Anazina_ said:
    > >
    > > > Emily Thornberry would stuff Boris in a General Election.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Yeah two extremely silver spooners. Thats representative of the masses.
    > >
    > > Might be worth your looking up Thornberry’s background.
    >
    > Yeah, thats a tough life...really....

    Lady Nugee?

    Loves patriotic white van drivers cor blimee gov
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    nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Lib Dems top the poll in London .

    Labour in second . Absolute disaster for them .
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    > @Casino_Royale said:
    > I've got a feeling I'm going to narrowly miss out on all my bets tonight.

    What were you betting on in terms of Brexit Party share?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334
    Floater said:

    > @IanB2 said:

    > Con 8% in London



    Sky saying zero seats for tories in London

    Labour and the Tories both down two.
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621

    It has to be Gove now, I think, as my preferred candidate

    I came to that realisation earlier on this afternoon.
    Me three.

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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I hope others got on my Ladbrokes 7/2 LDs to top the poll in London tip
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    > @marke09 said:
    > Brxit party win 19 out of 22 constituencies in Wales - Plaid win the other 3

    Thoroughly deserved thrashing for Welsh Labour.
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,919
    Nigelb said:
    If you sit on the fence long enough, the voters will come along, pull on each leg, and turn into a "Saw" remake.... :(
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    > @Byronic said:
    >
    > OK, that's a significant thrashing for Macron, and a good result for Le Pen/Gilets Jaunes

    I wouldn't say that. Le Pen is virtually static versus 2014, and Macron is doing significantly better than the government at that time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,947
    Scott_P said:
    And people will focus on Labour's woes some believe, hah!
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,749
    > @oxfordsimon said:
    > If Thornberry's only positive is the defeat of Tommy Robinson, she knows she is struggling to find anything to say about her own Party

    She's been pretty open there is nothing positive to say about her own party. Quite refreshing really.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > I hope others got on my Ladbrokes 7/2 LDs to top the poll in London tip

    Well done Mike :)
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    > @RobinWiggs said:
    > It has to be Gove now, I think, as my preferred candidate
    >
    > I came to that realisation earlier on this afternoon.
    >
    > Me three.<

    +++++++

    Likewise. But I fear Boris will win.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,100
    > @Byronic said:
    > > @AndreaParma_82 said:
    > > 79% counted in France
    > >
    > > LePen 25.13
    > > Macron 21.52
    > > Greens 12.71
    > > Republicains8.37
    > > Melenchon 6.25
    > > Socialists 5.99
    > >
    > > rest well below threshold <
    >
    > +++++
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    > OK, that's a significant thrashing for Macron, and a good result for Le Pen/Gilets Jaunes

    Le Pen's party now above the 24.8% she got in 2014 and clearly in first place ahead of Macron's En Marche
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