Nandy can be entirely discounted. What is she actually proposing anyone do, when she is one who would contenance any leave that is on offer, while moaning about remain being pushed too hard? She is just covering her own backside by looking sympathetic to leave without ever doing anything.
Because in reality Labour are not getting the opportunity to renegotiate a whole new Brexit deal, so pushing that would be a unicorn, so would she vote for a Tory Brexit over Remain? Would she bollocks, she didn't do that even before the Tories became the No deal party (as of 46 minutes ago).
I suspect that those votes lost to Labour on both sides because of the dishonest attempt to face both ways ain't coming back. Equally, I can't see the Conservatives regaining votes lost in the centre, or the party successfully out-Faraging Farage on the other side. Certainly Farage is never going give up his cries of 'Betrayal!' even if the Conservative Party chooses a leader as irresponsible as he is.
It's an even worse mess than looked likely a couple of months ago.
> @Alistair said: > Brexit Party currently on 31% according to the BBC. I need that to drop to 29.99%. > > A result that unites us all I hope. > > It was always a good value loser.
Don't forget we have Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and Scottish results to add in which could reduce their %.
> @GarethoftheVale2 said: > > @rural_voter said: > > > @IanB2 said: > > > Quick question. Has Brexit come less than first anywhere? Everybody's going "Oooh, the Libs/Greens are doing well and Con/Lab badly", but this level of success for Brexit is quite large. If this was FPTP they'd annihilate the oposition. > > > > > > Third in Redbridge as above > > ________ > > > > In theory, especially with an unwritten constitution, FPTP allows a PM to win a massive majority on 33% of the votes and 'go rogue'. > > > > Hence NZ adopted PR ~20 years ago. > > > > The UK is mad not to do likewise. > > NZ does not have PR. It has MMP __________
> @RobinWiggs said: > It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls. > > Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election. > > In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain. > > And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here. > > Deeply depressed tonight.
I, and many others, are absolutely delighted. Ya boo suckers!
The Labour performance in Scotland is making the Tories look good. An almost unbelievable collapse. Clearly a lot of their supporters have gone SNP who look pretty nailed on for a 3rd seat.
Looks like Wales has nearly finished declaring. Labour in third place and only a cigarette paper separating them from the Lib Dems at that. Brexit topping every council area except Gwynedd, Ceredigion and Anglesey (all Plaid.)
> @TheWhiteRabbit said: > > @SouthamObserver said: > > Once again, the UK’s voters are rejecting a No Deal Brexit. > > What have they voted for, if not the 36% or so in favour of No Deal? > > Lab+Con compromise deals 24% > > Revoke 30% > > Glad that's sorted
> @kle4 said: > > @Byronic said: > > > > > > Disagree. Look at her face. Like thunder. She knows she could lose her seat under Corbyn. > > > > > > Expect serious maneuvers now. The Lexiteers will be cornered, and cowed. > > > > -------- > > > > The thing is that the likes of Flint are probably right. Given the trajectory of the polarisation of the country, if Labour try to become an explicit Remain party, they will sacrifice a lot of MPs, and will still struggle to be trusted by Remainers. > > There's only a handful of Labour MPs who are worried about the consequences of remaining, and not as many as say they are concerned about it either as they almost all refused to do anything about it. Some will need to be sacrificed to the overwhelming wish of the party. > > With the Tories about to split Labour can take such a body blow and stay on their feet, electorally.
Yes it seems very likely Labour will now adopt the remain and reform position. Leaver MPs have nowhere else to go - they can hardly join the Brexit Party. They will just have to suck it up.
Once again, the UK’s voters are rejecting a No Deal Brexit.
I will one day get bored of saying it, but with the public so polarised there has to be a compromise, both No Deal and Revoke would be unacceptable to a huge number of people. Soft Brexit/Norway/EFTA or the like really do look like the only viable options if we want to maximise public contentment.
> @DavidL said: > The Labour performance in Scotland is making the Tories look good. An almost unbelievable collapse. Clearly a lot of their supporters have gone SNP who look pretty nailed on for a 3rd seat.
Labour have been Ruth’s support act for many years now. The only problem is that Ruth is no longer selling out Murrayfield and struggling to get bums on seats in Kyle of Lochalsh village hall.
It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls.
Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election.
In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain.
And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here.
Deeply depressed tonight.
True, but as I watch the SNP on BBC now, the silver lining is that their ideas of an independent Scotland is basically dead (which I suspect they won't realise till tomorrow).
> @anothernick said: > > @kle4 said: > > > @Byronic said: > > > > > > > > > > Disagree. Look at her face. Like thunder. She knows she could lose her seat under Corbyn. > > > > > > > > > > Expect serious maneuvers now. The Lexiteers will be cornered, and cowed. > > > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > The thing is that the likes of Flint are probably right. Given the trajectory of the polarisation of the country, if Labour try to become an explicit Remain party, they will sacrifice a lot of MPs, and will still struggle to be trusted by Remainers. > > > > There's only a handful of Labour MPs who are worried about the consequences of remaining, and not as many as say they are concerned about it either as they almost all refused to do anything about it. Some will need to be sacrificed to the overwhelming wish of the party. > > > > With the Tories about to split Labour can take such a body blow and stay on their feet, electorally. > > Yes it seems very likely Labour will now adopt the remain and reform position. Leaver MPs have nowhere else to go - they can hardly join the Brexit Party. They will just have to suck it up.
Viewcode - on FPTP BXP would be looking at 500 seats+. My (regular) party CON would be looking at 0!
Good God. The 1931 Naional Government won 554 seats out of 615, but the largest component (Cons) only won 470. I think there's never been a party with 500 seats out of 650.
It's dead. Flint backed up her words and voted for it, but the Tory leadership candidates aren't even backing it now. This is no deal or remain country now.
> @StuartDickson said: > > @DavidL said: > > The Labour performance in Scotland is making the Tories look good. An almost unbelievable collapse. Clearly a lot of their supporters have gone SNP who look pretty nailed on for a 3rd seat. > > Labour have been Ruth’s support act for many years now. The only problem is that Ruth is no longer selling out Murrayfield and struggling to get bum on seats in Kyle of Lochalsh village hall.
Given the performance of TBP the Tory vote is pretty respectable. Outcome is going to be SNP3, TBP 1, Tory 1, Lib Dem 1. No Labour MEP from Scotland.
As the East declares and the main parties are once again pounded like (to coin a phrase) dockside hookers. Conservatives and Labour behind the Greens. Utter humiliation.
> @TGOHF said: > > @Casino_Royale said: > > SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum. > > They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored.
Shame about the LDs missing out on the NE - feels like in a few places they will have done heroically well, but have faced just too much of an uphill battle. Edit Case inpoint?
> @TheValiant said: > It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls. > > Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election. > > In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain. > > And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here. > > Deeply depressed tonight. > > True, but as I watch the SNP on BBC now, the silver lining is that their ideas of an independent Scotland is basically dead (which I suspect they won't realise till tomorrow).<
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How and why? Genuinely curious.
Personally I think Sindependence is less likely now, but only because Brexit has been such a disaster. No one sane will happily vote for ANOTHER decade of political disentangling and endless arguments (and for a divorce which, given the age of the UK, would be even more tedious, costly and traumatic than Brexit).
But I certainly don't think the Sindy cause is dead. Why do you say that?
> @Theuniondivvie said: > > @TGOHF said: > > > @Casino_Royale said: > > > SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum. > > > > They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored. > > You okay, hun?
I did suggest a week or so ago that the Lib Dems would be second, Despite the collapse of the Conservatives I think TBP will only be c. 30% overall, and the Lib Dems will be over 20%.
Comments
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > https://twitter.com/election_data/status/1132763711356035073
>
> Lol!
Whichever direction they move in, they will haemorrhage large numbers of votes. Oh dear.
> Suprised by the lack of Green increase in Scotland
They're in competition with the SNP.
Because in reality Labour are not getting the opportunity to renegotiate a whole new Brexit deal, so pushing that would be a unicorn, so would she vote for a Tory Brexit over Remain? Would she bollocks, she didn't do that even before the Tories became the No deal party (as of 46 minutes ago).
It's an even worse mess than looked likely a couple of months ago.
> Brexit Party currently on 31% according to the BBC. I need that to drop to 29.99%.
>
> A result that unites us all I hope.
>
> It was always a good value loser.
Don't forget we have Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and Scottish results to add in which could reduce their %.
> > @rural_voter said:
> > > @IanB2 said:
> > > Quick question. Has Brexit come less than first anywhere? Everybody's going "Oooh, the Libs/Greens are doing well and Con/Lab badly", but this level of success for Brexit is quite large. If this was FPTP they'd annihilate the oposition.
> > >
> > > Third in Redbridge as above
> > ________
> >
> > In theory, especially with an unwritten constitution, FPTP allows a PM to win a massive majority on 33% of the votes and 'go rogue'.
> >
> > Hence NZ adopted PR ~20 years ago.
> >
> > The UK is mad not to do likewise.
>
> NZ does not have PR. It has MMP
__________
Which stands for Mixed Member Proportional, I understand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_system_of_New_Zealand
which can be adjusted to be more proportional if one wishes, making one-party government very unlikely.
If not, what would the referendum be on?
> > @another_richard said:
> > https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1132760402264231936
>
> So what alternative does she suggest?
Vote for the WA ?
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1132763933222277123
> It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls.
>
> Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election.
>
> In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain.
>
> And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here.
>
> Deeply depressed tonight.
I, and many others, are absolutely delighted. Ya boo suckers!
> If we don't leave the EU, the Tories may well face extinction at the next GE.
That's like Christmas and my birthday all at once
> https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1132763881321971714<;
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Labour source = Seamus Milne.
Open warfare now.
> If we don't leave the EU, the Tories may well face extinction at the next GE.
It may be even worse for them if we did leave...
> > @SouthamObserver said:
> > Once again, the UK’s voters are rejecting a No Deal Brexit.
>
> What have they voted for, if not the 36% or so in favour of No Deal?
>
> Lab+Con compromise deals 24%
>
> Revoke 30%
>
> Glad that's sorted
Yep. Still pretty split down the middle.
Near terminal position.
> > @Byronic said:
>
> >
>
> > Disagree. Look at her face. Like thunder. She knows she could lose her seat under Corbyn.
>
> >
>
> > Expect serious maneuvers now. The Lexiteers will be cornered, and cowed.
>
>
>
> --------
>
>
>
> The thing is that the likes of Flint are probably right. Given the trajectory of the polarisation of the country, if Labour try to become an explicit Remain party, they will sacrifice a lot of MPs, and will still struggle to be trusted by Remainers.
>
> There's only a handful of Labour MPs who are worried about the consequences of remaining, and not as many as say they are concerned about it either as they almost all refused to do anything about it. Some will need to be sacrificed to the overwhelming wish of the party.
>
> With the Tories about to split Labour can take such a body blow and stay on their feet, electorally.
Yes it seems very likely Labour will now adopt the remain and reform position. Leaver MPs have nowhere else to go - they can hardly join the Brexit Party. They will just have to suck it up.
Change 1421 3.51%
Conservative 4774 11.80%
English Dem 268 0.66%
Green 6547 16.19%
Labour 2305 5.70%
LibDem 9495 23.48%
Brexit 14288 35.33%
UKIP 1255 3.10%
Ind 91 0.23%
40444
Bunnco - Your Man [absolutely] on the Spot
> Despite some very good results, the Brexit Party is on about 32%, so they could drop to 28% or 29% as the night goes on.
I'd expect them to gain. They're generally well up on UKIP's 2014 score.
> The Labour performance in Scotland is making the Tories look good. An almost unbelievable collapse. Clearly a lot of their supporters have gone SNP who look pretty nailed on for a 3rd seat.
Labour have been Ruth’s support act for many years now. The only problem is that Ruth is no longer selling out Murrayfield and struggling to get bums on seats in Kyle of Lochalsh village hall.
> https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1132762166841565186?s=20
By far the best Tory result to date. Only 5.3% down.
> SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum.
They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored.
> SNP MEP pissed on BBC. Nose redder than Alex Ferguson’s socks.
I disagree with him but he is coming over very well.
> Bradford, Luton, Leicester might be other bright spots for Labour.
> <
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lol
> > @kle4 said:
> > > @Byronic said:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Disagree. Look at her face. Like thunder. She knows she could lose her seat under Corbyn.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Expect serious maneuvers now. The Lexiteers will be cornered, and cowed.
> >
> >
> >
> > --------
> >
> >
> >
> > The thing is that the likes of Flint are probably right. Given the trajectory of the polarisation of the country, if Labour try to become an explicit Remain party, they will sacrifice a lot of MPs, and will still struggle to be trusted by Remainers.
> >
> > There's only a handful of Labour MPs who are worried about the consequences of remaining, and not as many as say they are concerned about it either as they almost all refused to do anything about it. Some will need to be sacrificed to the overwhelming wish of the party.
> >
> > With the Tories about to split Labour can take such a body blow and stay on their feet, electorally.
>
> Yes it seems very likely Labour will now adopt the remain and reform position. Leaver MPs have nowhere else to go - they can hardly join the Brexit Party. They will just have to suck it up.
Leave voters, on the other hand......
> https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1132765048949084160
Knife crime on the up.
> Bradford, Luton, Leicester might be other bright spots for Labour.
>
And Birmingham:
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1132763199290433538
Can't think why they're doing well in those places.
Now 8 apparently.
Scottish Borders is interesting.
> > @DavidL said:
> > The Labour performance in Scotland is making the Tories look good. An almost unbelievable collapse. Clearly a lot of their supporters have gone SNP who look pretty nailed on for a 3rd seat.
>
> Labour have been Ruth’s support act for many years now. The only problem is that Ruth is no longer selling out Murrayfield and struggling to get bum on seats in Kyle of Lochalsh village hall.
Given the performance of TBP the Tory vote is pretty respectable. Outcome is going to be SNP3, TBP 1, Tory 1, Lib Dem 1. No Labour MEP from Scotland.
> Emily Thornberry would stuff Boris in a General Election.
Yeah two extremely silver spooners. Thats representative of the masses.
As the East declares and the main parties are once again pounded like (to coin a phrase) dockside hookers. Conservatives and Labour behind the Greens. Utter humiliation.
BrexitParty 604,715
LD 361,563
Con 163,830
Lab 139,490
Green 202,460
ChangeUK 58,274
UKIP 54,676
EngDem 10,217
Ind 3,230
Seats:
BrexitParty 4
LD 2
Green 1
Con 1
Elect: 4,407,975
Rejected: 9,589
Turnout: 36.48%
> SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum.
Remind me, what was Dave’s argument for a referendum? He wasn’t a dickhead, was he?
> ..
It is the full East of England declaration
> > @Casino_Royale said:
> > SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum.
>
> They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored.
You okay, hun?
Edit
Case inpoint?
Take a bow.
That is almost a surprise.
> Wow
Surprised the Cons got a seat?
> It pains me to say it as a Tory Leaver who stayed loyal on Thursday, but the irony of tonight is that Brexit is now likely not to be delivered despite Brexit Party topping the polls.
>
> Labour are likely to complete the pivot now to full on Remain, meaning this parliament will not deliver an exit. The new Tory leader can not deliver a majority for any deal, and no deal will be blocked again. The only options are another referendum or a general election.
>
> In a GE, Brexit Party will kill off a Tory government but won’t win themselves; meaning both the new parliament and the new government will be formally Remain.
>
> And it’s the ERG purists who will be to blame for putting us here.
>
> Deeply depressed tonight.
>
> True, but as I watch the SNP on BBC now, the silver lining is that their ideas of an independent Scotland is basically dead (which I suspect they won't realise till tomorrow).<
++++
How and why? Genuinely curious.
Personally I think Sindependence is less likely now, but only because Brexit has been such a disaster. No one sane will happily vote for ANOTHER decade of political disentangling and endless arguments (and for a divorce which, given the age of the UK, would be even more tedious, costly and traumatic than Brexit).
But I certainly don't think the Sindy cause is dead. Why do you say that?
> Am I mad or does the BBC website not have individual council results?
>
> They don't. Does anyone know where to find it?
Britain elects Twitter.
Change UK: 58,274
Conservatives: 163,830
English Democrats: 10,217
Greens: 202,460
Labour: 139,490
LDs: 361,563
Brexit: 604,715
Ukip: 54,676
Independent candidate: 3,230
Seat apportionment:
1. Brexit Party
2. Lib Dems
3. Brexit Party
4. Greens
5. Brexit Party
6. Lib Dems
7. Conservatives
Two big parties: Brexit and LD, as expected
Greens do exceptionally well
One Tory survives
Labour wiped out
*ENDS*
> > @TGOHF said:
> > > @Casino_Royale said:
> > > SNP given their manic levels of dickheadery will use this as an argument for a 2nd referendum.
> >
> > They use a burst water main in Carlisle as an Indy ref trigger. Best ignored.
>
> You okay, hun?
I’m enjoying the results immensely, tarrier.
> So the Tories that voted Leave in 2016 probably voted to destroy the Union and the Tory party.
>
> Take a bow.
Ta. We owe you one.
> Appalling result for Labour in the East of England.
I'm enjoying this.
3 Brexit
2 LD
1 Green
1 Con
Labour lose its seat
> > @Jonathan said:
> > Appalling result for Labour in the East of England.
>
> I'm enjoying this.
You and me both
Suggest they may just slip below 30% overall to me.
I wonder when it’ll sink in...
> Am I mad or does the BBC website not have individual council results?
Of course they don't, it would be too much like hard work for them.
> Macron’s bunch not doing well in France.<
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News?
> Daft Swedish public broadcaster SVT saying that the UK is leaving the EU.
>
> I wonder when it’ll sink in...
Technically correct. The UK will cease to be a member when it is dissolved.