Theresa May has indicated she is willing to change her 'new' Brexit deal in order to stay in Number 10, despite facing growing calls to quit from her MPs.
> @IanB2 said: > > @ah009 said: > > > @Scrapheap_as_was said: > > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril... > > > > > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside.... > > > > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide. > > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month. > > On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas?
I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout.
Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy.
> @JosiasJessop said: > > @isam said: > > > Farage obviously meant that there had been some kind of "revolution" won at the ballot box rather than through armed struggle. He apologised for the comment about ten minutes later > > > > He still made the comment. No apology can ever unmake it. It was a glimpse into his lack of concern for what had happened. But to me it wasn't a surprise. He's clearly a person whose ideological stance is more important than his humanity. He's not alone in that, but people like him are dangerous. Very dangerous. > > At least we aren't into very VERY dangerous territory > > Cynics might notice how frequently Nige says something controversial, and then rapidly apologises. It's almost as if he does it on purpose, to attract those lovely people who agree with his first statement, and to allow his defenders to say: "Ah, but he apologised/clarified..."
I don't know about Farage, but that is a very Trumpian characteristic (though in his case rowing back, rather than apologies, which he doesn't do at all).
"Some people say..." is also a favoured formulation.
> @Richard_Nabavi said: > Who's going to take the temp jobs, if it buggers their chances with the new PM? > > Someone who has no chance with any new PM, but wants a ringside seat in the meantime?
Having seen the ballot paper I am sure that a non zero number of people will have intended to vote Chuk but will assume that the lack of a logo implies that they are non-runners. It's otherwise quite hard to explain if you don't know the answer, and there's nobody to ask for clarification.
> @Alistair said: > Interesting in the Ipsos Mori . > > > > In the headline figure they just include those definite to vote 10/10. > > > > If they include all who expressed an opinion the BP lead drops to 9 points . > > > > The BP then on 29 v Lib Dems 20. > > > > The one caveat with this poll , there could be an element of the shy vote . > > UKIP voters were not shy, why would Brexit party voters be?
Belief is not all you need. But nothing works without belief. Even AA didn't work until they added it.
Just because it is not sufficient does not mean it is not necessary.
The way it has the focus of criticism make it clear these types believe all would have been well if only certain people believed enough. Thats just plain wrong, and is transparently an excuse to make a complicated issue simple in it being one non believers fault.
The vast majority of the Tory party agreed with may in the end and voted for her deal. If the others had done so we would be out now. She clearly believed in Brexit because she delivered it to them. A crap Brexit to many but even boris and JRM agreedit was Brexit.
> @Nigelb said: > > @Richard_Tyndall said: > > > @JosiasJessop said: > > > > @MikeSmithson said: > > > > > > > > @Floater said: > > > > > > > > https://order-order.com/2019/05/23/brexit-party-teller-attacked-milkshake/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a pity there wasn't the same concern about Jo Cox or the female MP threatened by Brexit thugs outside the commons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There was huge concern about Jo Cox. > > > > > > 2. You must live in a pretty warped world where you consider verbal attacks - however wrong that might be - to be on a par with actual physical assaults. > > > > > > > > > > > > All attacks are wrong but your whataboutism is pretty sickening. > > > > > > Repeated verbal attacks: e.g. "I'll kill you!" can easily be on a par - or worse - than throwing a milkshake over someone. Both can lead to fear of repeated or real attacks. > > > > > > To make it clear: both are wrong and should be condemned. > > > > I agree. But I was not aware that the verbal assaults on Anna Soubry - as wrong as they were - involved actual threats to her person. The idiot concerned was arrested for public order offences not for threats. > > > > So again there is a large element of whataboutism in Mike's arguments. > > They did: > https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/man-convicted-over-death-threats-to-remainer-mp-anna-soubry-gwkn8jq3w
And he went to jail as he should.
But of course as you well know this is not what Mike was referring to as this was an online idiot not the bloke arrested outside Parliament for calling Soubry a Nazi.
Still desperate whataboutism from the Remainers trying to defend the indefensible. I think all physical attacks on MPs or public figures are wrong no matter who they are. Are you willing to say the same thing?
A quick post to say how pleased I am many posters today have voted Conservative as I did last week by post. This is one lection when I hope the polls get it very very wrong!
Assuming someone accepts the offer of the Leader of the House job, they're unlikely to be in post that long, which makes me wonder what the shortest tenure for a Cabinet minister is?
I know David Laws only lasted 17 days in post, but has anyone resigned, been sacked, or moved after a shorter period of time?
> @kle4 said: > > @kle4 said: > > > Poor little Tinkerbell > > > > > > https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/1131454761516056576 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 'belief is all you need' types scare me. > > > > Belief is not all you need. But nothing works without belief. Even AA didn't work until they added it. > > > > Just because it is not sufficient does not mean it is not necessary. > > The way it has the focus of criticism make it clear these types believe all would have been well if only certain people believed enough. Thats just plain wrong, and is transparently an excuse to make a complicated issue simple in it being one non believers fault. > > The vast majority of the Tory party agreed with may in the end and voted for her deal. If the others had done so we would be out now. She clearly believed in Brexit because she delivered it to them. A crap Brexit to many but even boris and JRM agreedit was Brexit.
> @DavidL said: > > @IanB2 said: > > > @ah009 said: > > > > @Scrapheap_as_was said: > > > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril... > > > > > > > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside.... > > > > > > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide. > > > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month. > > > > On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas? > > I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout. > > Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy.
I applaud you for putting in the effort to get that proxy. And well done too for sticking with your choices even if you feel that they aren't popular. I think we'd all be in a better place if we voted closest to our beliefs instead of pinching our noses and voting for something we knew we didn't like just for tactical reasons.
> > These 'belief is all you need' types scare me.
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> Belief is not all you need. But nothing works without belief. Even AA didn't work until they added it.
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> Just because it is not sufficient does not mean it is not necessary.
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> The way it has the focus of criticism make it clear these types believe all would have been well if only certain people believed enough. Thats just plain wrong, and is transparently an excuse to make a complicated issue simple in it being one non believers fault.
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> The vast majority of the Tory party agreed with may in the end and voted for her deal. If the others had done so we would be out now. She clearly believed in Brexit because she delivered it to them. A crap Brexit to many but even boris and JRM agreedit was Brexit.
If she believed in it why didn't she vote for it?
She believed in it afterwards as years of effort showed. You are demanding only those who voted the right way initially be able to lead? What if that person were a soft leaver?
A quick post to say how pleased I am many posters today have voted Conservative as I did last week by post. This is one lection when I hope the polls get it very very wrong!
They dont deserve it, but coin toss vs CUK went their way (ld lost to cuk to get to final two)
> @ah009 said: > > @DavidL said: > > > @IanB2 said: > > > > @ah009 said: > > > > > @Scrapheap_as_was said: > > > > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril... > > > > > > > > > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside.... > > > > > > > > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide. > > > > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month. > > > > > > On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas? > > > > I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout. > > > > Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy. > > I applaud you for putting in the effort to get that proxy. And well done too for sticking with your choices even if you feel that they aren't popular. I think we'd all be in a better place if we voted closest to our beliefs instead of pinching our noses and voting for something we knew we didn't like just for tactical reasons.
Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party.
Incidentally, my better half, who was minded to vote TBP earlier because she was so annoyed at the determination to block Brexit also decided to vote Tory in the end. She wants Brexit but she wants a deal too. We are both going to be disappointed one way or another.
> @ah009 said: > https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1131509425515192320 > > This is why we need feminism. Women can be useless too, and this PM deserves to be flung from power with no pity or ceremony. Her gender should not be an issue. Let her be treated exactly as a man with the same record would be.
Alternatively: This is why we need feminism. Then the Cabinet and 22 committee wouldn't be so overwhelmingly male as to cause any problem with the optics of them with flinging a woman out. (not that I think this is really the reason why they haven't managed to fling her out, it's just more whining).
> I took my two year old to the polling station this morning. Explained that I had to write X next to the people and picture I liked the best, etc., and then I put my X next to the pretty picture of a bird. Cue instant protest: “NO I want to choose a better one.” Oops.
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> #votesat2
Smart kid. I trust you listened.
I was talking to my 7 year old the other day about making buildings out of ice cream
Mentioned the White House
“Donald Trump lives there doesn’t he? People don’t like him very much.”
> I took my two year old to the polling station this morning. Explained that I had to write X next to the people and picture I liked the best, etc., and then I put my X next to the pretty picture of a bird. Cue instant protest: “NO I want to choose a better one.” Oops.
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> #votesat2
Smart kid. I trust you listened.
I was talking to my 7 year old the other day about making buildings out of ice cream
Mentioned the White House
“Donald Trump lives there doesn’t he? People don’t like him very much.”
Out of the mouth of babes...
I hope you told her that he is the GREATEST President EVER!!!! BAR NONE!
> Farage obviously meant that there had been some kind of "revolution" won at the ballot box rather than through armed struggle. He apologised for the comment about ten minutes later
He still made the comment. No apology can ever unmake it. It was a glimpse into his lack of concern for what had happened. But to me it wasn't a surprise. He's clearly a person whose ideological stance is more important than his humanity. He's not alone in that, but people like him are dangerous. Very dangerous.
At least we aren't into very VERY dangerous territory
Cynics might notice how frequently Nige says something controversial, and then rapidly apologises. It's almost as if he does it on purpose, to attract those lovely people who agree with his first statement, and to allow his defenders to say: "Ah, but he apologised/clarified..."
In this case it was after Leave had just won the referendum and shortly before he resigned, so cynics would be barking up the wrong tree... 😊
Old habits evidently die hard for Nige. Besides, that timing is irrelevant give the absolute shitness of his comment.
> @DavidL said: > Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party.
I don't see that as any different to Lib Dem leavers, Conservative remainers, etc. It's the same subplot at play in almost every party. There are even Ukip remainers.
It's only TBP who are immune from this, only because nobody's ever voted for them before.
Given the lack of coherent answers to difficult questions from pro-Brussels-types, its fairly rational to conclude that it has the characteristics of a religion.
> @ah009 said: > > @DavidL said: > > Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party. > > I don't see that as any different to Lib Dem leavers, Conservative remainers, etc. It's the same subplot at play in almost every party. There are even Ukip remainers. > > It's only TBP who are immune from this, only because nobody's ever voted for them before.
Anecdote: "Everybody" my Dudley colleague knows is voting for 'The Brexit Party' "even the remainers..."
Yes everything fine. I was expecting to be able to vote in the normal way before coming through for my court case this morning but unexpected developments meant I had to be through here last night instead and I am staying overnight so no chance to vote.
Have to say that Angus Council were extremely efficient in dealing with this today.
After the earlier talk about _voting_ proxies, I was thinking about proxies in a slightly different way:
What proxies do you use for political opinions?
For me, I always assume that: - dog owners are a bit on the authoritarian side. - People who own small speedy cars are non-voters. - Taxi drivers are racist. - Ugly successful people are centrist Tories. - BMW drivers are relatively leftie ((for their income bracket and age!))
These assumptions are almost certainly utter bollocks (except the taxi driver one) and probably offensive to some, but I nevertheless have them as my gut reactions when I meet those people. I thought I'd share them so you can all rebuke me or share your proxies / prejudices.
Did one of those 'who should I vote for' sites. No strong match with anyone, surprisingly close with only 4 points between cuk, Tory, lab and Green. Lds sneaking top though.
Comments
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/23/democrats-2020-survival-strategies-1340608
> > https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1131516257138876421
So she's removed the barricades from the door and started seeing people again?
Now's the time for the Cabinet take their chance.
Theresa May has indicated she is willing to change her 'new' Brexit deal in order to stay in Number 10, despite facing growing calls to quit from her MPs.
> > @ah009 said:
> > > @Scrapheap_as_was said:
> > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril...
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> > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside....
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> > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide.
> > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month.
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> On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas?
I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout.
Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy.
> > @isam said:
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> He still made the comment. No apology can ever unmake it. It was a glimpse into his lack of concern for what had happened. But to me it wasn't a surprise. He's clearly a person whose ideological stance is more important than his humanity. He's not alone in that, but people like him are dangerous. Very dangerous.
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> At least we aren't into very VERY dangerous territory
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> Cynics might notice how frequently Nige says something controversial, and then rapidly apologises. It's almost as if he does it on purpose, to attract those lovely people who agree with his first statement, and to allow his defenders to say: "Ah, but he apologised/clarified..."
I don't know about Farage, but that is a very Trumpian characteristic (though in his case rowing back, rather than apologies, which he doesn't do at all).
"Some people say..." is also a favoured formulation.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/european-parliament-elections/brexit-party-vote-percentage?selectionName=25-00-29-99pp
Incidentally, I see that you can also get 3-1 on a second referendum. That's a shout, surely?
> Who's going to take the temp jobs, if it buggers their chances with the new PM?
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> Someone who has no chance with any new PM, but wants a ringside seat in the meantime?
So the dross then.
No shortage of candidates.
> There are still some good prices on BP to land between 25-29.99%. You can still get 8/1 which is a massively good value bet imho.
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> https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/european-parliament-elections/brexit-party-vote-percentage?selectionName=25-00-29-99pp
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> Incidentally, I see that you can also get 3-1 on a second referendum. That's a shout, surely?
Before the end of the year? You might as well take the 55/1 on Lib Dems winning today
Having seen the ballot paper I am sure that a non zero number of people will have intended to vote Chuk but will assume that the lack of a logo implies that they are non-runners. It's otherwise quite hard to explain if you don't know the answer, and there's nobody to ask for clarification.
> There are still some good prices on BP to land between 25-29.99%. You can still get 8/1 which is a massively good value bet imho.
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> https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/european-parliament-elections/brexit-party-vote-percentage?selectionName=25-00-29-99pp
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I personally think they will do a bit better than that. Mid 30s at a guess.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1131522471197331456
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> UKIP voters were not shy, why would Brexit party voters be?
This is the opposite effect: the loudmouth voter.
The vast majority of the Tory party agreed with may in the end and voted for her deal. If the others had done so we would be out now. She clearly believed in Brexit because she delivered it to them. A crap Brexit to many but even boris and JRM agreedit was Brexit.
> > @Richard_Tyndall said:
> > > @JosiasJessop said:
> > > > @MikeSmithson said:
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> > > > > https://order-order.com/2019/05/23/brexit-party-teller-attacked-milkshake/
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> > > > What a pity there wasn't the same concern about Jo Cox or the female MP threatened by Brexit thugs outside the commons.
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> > > All attacks are wrong but your whataboutism is pretty sickening.
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> > > Repeated verbal attacks: e.g. "I'll kill you!" can easily be on a par - or worse - than throwing a milkshake over someone. Both can lead to fear of repeated or real attacks.
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> > > To make it clear: both are wrong and should be condemned.
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> > I agree. But I was not aware that the verbal assaults on Anna Soubry - as wrong as they were - involved actual threats to her person. The idiot concerned was arrested for public order offences not for threats.
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> > So again there is a large element of whataboutism in Mike's arguments.
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> They did:
> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/man-convicted-over-death-threats-to-remainer-mp-anna-soubry-gwkn8jq3w
And he went to jail as he should.
But of course as you well know this is not what Mike was referring to as this was an online idiot not the bloke arrested outside Parliament for calling Soubry a Nazi.
Still desperate whataboutism from the Remainers trying to defend the indefensible. I think all physical attacks on MPs or public figures are wrong no matter who they are. Are you willing to say the same thing?
> So, she's staying:
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> https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1131522471197331456
Yep. She is going to sack her whole cabinet, prorogue Parliament and rule from the Iron Throne.
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> > Incidentally, I see that you can also get 3-1 on a second referendum. That's a shout, surely?
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> Before the end of the year?
No Bet365 have 3/1 on a 2nd Referendum. As far as I can see that's without time limit?
I know David Laws only lasted 17 days in post, but has anyone resigned, been sacked, or moved after a shorter period of time?
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> The way it has the focus of criticism make it clear these types believe all would have been well if only certain people believed enough. Thats just plain wrong, and is transparently an excuse to make a complicated issue simple in it being one non believers fault.
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> The vast majority of the Tory party agreed with may in the end and voted for her deal. If the others had done so we would be out now. She clearly believed in Brexit because she delivered it to them. A crap Brexit to many but even boris and JRM agreedit was Brexit.
If she believed in it why didn't she vote for it?
> > @IanB2 said:
> > > @ah009 said:
> > > > @Scrapheap_as_was said:
> > > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril...
> > > >
> > > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside....
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> > > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide.
> > > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month.
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> > On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas?
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> I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout.
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> Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy.
I applaud you for putting in the effort to get that proxy. And well done too for sticking with your choices even if you feel that they aren't popular. I think we'd all be in a better place if we voted closest to our beliefs instead of pinching our noses and voting for something we knew we didn't like just for tactical reasons.
> > @DavidL said:
> > > @IanB2 said:
> > > > @ah009 said:
> > > > > @Scrapheap_as_was said:
> > > > > Been driving around a lot of the Burbs - Oxhey, Berkhamsted, St A for an example in recent days and I can't remember signs for anyone other than the yellow (orange as it happens) peril...
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm expecting them to do far better on the upside....
> > > >
> > > > It started before the council elections. SE England, NW England too. Lib Dem garden boards up all over. One or two Greens. A large Tory poster in a field, and some "Let's Go WTO" nonsense next to the M40. If residential boards were votes, this would be a Lib Dem landslide.
> > > > Usual SNP stuff in Scotland, but I've not spent much time there recently and there were no council elections this month.
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> > > On the other hand it seems the LibDems have struggled to do a freepost in some areas?
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> > I don't think that I have seen a single poster from anybody in Scotland. Last weekend there was an SNP and Brexit Party presence in Dundee City Centre with an EU flag and some leaflets and we have had a few leaflets to the house (5 max, I think) but it has been a complete non campaign. I am still expecting quite a low turnout.
> >
> > Eventually, with the help of an emergency proxy, I have voted today and decided to stick with the Tories as I continue to support May's deal even although it has no chance of succeeding. I don't think that I have ever voted less enthusiastically for anything in my life, even by proxy.
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> I applaud you for putting in the effort to get that proxy. And well done too for sticking with your choices even if you feel that they aren't popular. I think we'd all be in a better place if we voted closest to our beliefs instead of pinching our noses and voting for something we knew we didn't like just for tactical reasons.
Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party.
Incidentally, my better half, who was minded to vote TBP earlier because she was so annoyed at the determination to block Brexit also decided to vote Tory in the end. She wants Brexit but she wants a deal too. We are both going to be disappointed one way or another.
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This is why we need feminism. Then the Cabinet and 22 committee wouldn't be so overwhelmingly male as to cause any problem with the optics of them with flinging a woman out. (not that I think this is really the reason why they haven't managed to fling her out, it's just more whining).
If you google "indian elections" it will give your a semicircle showing...
Mentioned the White House
“Donald Trump lives there doesn’t he? People don’t like him very much.”
Out of the mouth of babes...
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> Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party.
I don't see that as any different to Lib Dem leavers, Conservative remainers, etc. It's the same subplot at play in almost every party. There are even Ukip remainers.
It's only TBP who are immune from this, only because nobody's ever voted for them before.
Hope all ok? Why the emergency proxy?
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> > Thank you. There is an interesting subplot in Scotland in that quite a number of SNP supporters actually voted to leave. What they do today, whether leaving or the SNP is the more important to them, will determine whether the SNP get that third seat. I suspect enough will stick with the party looking at the bigger picture but it might be close. Some might just be tempted to lend their vote to the Brexit party.
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Anecdote: "Everybody" my Dudley colleague knows is voting for 'The Brexit Party' "even the remainers..."
Although @Big_G_NorthWales is Ser Jorah ...
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Yes everything fine. I was expecting to be able to vote in the normal way before coming through for my court case this morning but unexpected developments meant I had to be through here last night instead and I am staying overnight so no chance to vote.
Have to say that Angus Council were extremely efficient in dealing with this today.
On the BMW i3 thank you.
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1131537528736100352?s=21
What proxies do you use for political opinions?
For me, I always assume that:
- dog owners are a bit on the authoritarian side.
- People who own small speedy cars are non-voters.
- Taxi drivers are racist.
- Ugly successful people are centrist Tories.
- BMW drivers are relatively leftie ((for their income bracket and age!))
These assumptions are almost certainly utter bollocks (except the taxi driver one) and probably offensive to some, but I nevertheless have them as my gut reactions when I meet those people. I thought I'd share them so you can all rebuke me or share your proxies / prejudices.
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https://order-order.com/2019/05/23/brexit-party-teller-attacked-milkshake/#disqus_thread