I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
They are responding to a written request and no doubt the EU lawyers have arrived at this date
The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
If you vote for independence, the UK Parliament will stick it's oar in, fart around for three years and then tell you you've changed your mind. All a bit pointless.
One hopes not and that the Scottish Government will put the boot in.
Given the time available, No Deal it will be. Unless the Commons comes to its senses.
The cycle never changes. May cooks up some plan entirely on her own. The loyalists back her. This plan turns out not to be grounded in reality. The plan fails. We end up where we started. Rinse and repeat.
We need to get rid of May to break the cycle. She just doesn't do reality.
She is personally wedded to those red lines, which make everything impossible. A new leader - even, God help us, Boris - could reasonably say this Deal is shit, but the red lines ensure it is shit, so we need to budge. Then go for EEA/EFTA+ or whatever. Accept FoM.
Given the time available, No Deal it will be. Unless the Commons comes to its senses.
The cycle never changes. May cooks up some plan entirely on her own. The loyalists back her. This plan turns out not to be grounded in reality. The plan fails. We end up where we started. Rinse and repeat.
We need to get rid of May to break the cycle. She just doesn't do reality.
She is personally wedded to those red lines, which make everything impossible. A new leader - even, God help us, Boris - could reasonably say this Deal is shit, but the red lines ensure it is shit, so we need to budge. Then go for EEA/EFTA+ or whatever. Accept FoM.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
"Remoaner" !!!
I didn't vote Remain mate.
Bullshit.
True or not, it is a nice illustration of the general case.
It is true. I am not going to lie. I voted leave (I am in Durham North) and for very good reasons. Left of Centre. However I did not vote based on a no deal exit and the current shambolic inept handling of it by the current Tory administration is a total and utter disgrace. Peoples lives and businesses are impacted by this complete lack of movement and all the political classes do is retreat to entrenched positions. It should be about what is good for the country not what is good for Tory party discipline.
Amen Brother! If Corbyn wasn't Labour Leader, the Conservatives would probably be less popular than the Lib Dems or indeed TIG.
Bercow deliberately extending PMQs to call all sorts of significant backbenchers (Clarke, Cash, Miliband, Cooper, Boles, Letwin).
Fair enough though Cash is rather the odd one out there.
He's just following Tory Central Office script of rubbishing the speaker. Who hasn't actually put a foot wrong.
Please see my post below. You are incorrect: Bercow departed from usual custom and procedure today. As it happens, I think he has a point on this occasion.
The fact that Tories are firing blanks at one of the few voices of sanity amidst this national chaos tells us all we need to know.
Bercow deliberately extending PMQs to call all sorts of significant backbenchers (Clarke, Cash, Miliband, Cooper, Boles, Letwin).
Fair enough though Cash is rather the odd one out there.
He's just following Tory Central Office script of rubbishing the speaker. Who hasn't actually put a foot wrong.
Please see my post below. You are incorrect: Bercow departed from usual custom and procedure today. As it happens, I think he has a point on this occasion.
The fact that Tories are firing blanks at one of the few voices of sanity amidst this national chaos tells us all we need to know.
Who's firing blanks? Everyone seems to say they agree with him doing it?
As a hypothetical, where would we be now if Cameron had decided not to resign in 2016, and instead it was him in charge of delivering brexit?
Cameron even messed up his own resignation. He announced he'd remain as Prime Minister for another three months but lasted only three more weeks as the Conservative Party rushed to elect Theresa May without troubling the membership.
I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
They are responding to a written request and no doubt the EU lawyers have arrived at this date
The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
I know it partly depends on Corbyn but MPs passed the extension by quite a sizable margin. If the alternative is to crash the clown car a little over a month in the future (on the EU early date) I'd have thought the votes would be there. Presumably they could phrase it as a contingency or something - ie if the UK had left the EU by the time the elections came around, you wouldn't have to have them.
As a hypothetical, where would we be now if Cameron had decided not to resign in 2016, and instead it was him in charge of delivering brexit?
Cameron even messed up his own resignation. He announced he'd remain as Prime Minister for another three months but lasted only three more weeks as the Conservative Party rushed to elect Theresa May without troubling the membership.
I think Cameron would have gone for a softer Brexit, EEA-style.
Bercow deliberately extending PMQs to call all sorts of significant backbenchers (Clarke, Cash, Miliband, Cooper, Boles, Letwin).
Fair enough though Cash is rather the odd one out there.
He's just following Tory Central Office script of rubbishing the speaker. Who hasn't actually put a foot wrong.
Please see my post below. You are incorrect: Bercow departed from usual custom and procedure today. As it happens, I think he has a point on this occasion.
The fact that Tories are firing blanks at one of the few voices of sanity amidst this national chaos tells us all we need to know.
You were wrong, and are unwilling to concede that and back down. That is of course your right, but it means any further accusations of bad faith that you make can be safely ignored.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
More vacuum. I wonder when we'll hear an official response from the EU.
How long does it take to type..Non/Nein?
It will not be no as that means no deal next friday
I expect it will be the 23rd May but if longer the UK will have to take part in the EU elections in May requiring the HOC to lay legislation by three weeks tomorrow, ......and then pass it in a deadlocked HOC
I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
They are responding to a written request and no doubt the EU lawyers have arrived at this date
The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
And there's also the EU court ruling on unilateral revocation, which is something that would have to be closed off under any extension. We'd need to pass a law either enacting the Treaty, revoking A50 or confirming No Deal, before any extension past 30th June would be granted - otherwise we have to pass the bill authorising the EU elections first.
I'm not sure Parliament could pass a motion saying that today is Wednesday at the moment.
I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
They are responding to a written request and no doubt the EU lawyers have arrived at this date
The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
I know it partly depends on Corbyn but MPs passed the extension by quite a sizable margin. If the alternative is to crash the clown car a little over a month in the future (on the EU early date) I'd have thought the votes would be there. Presumably they could phrase it as a contingency or something - ie if the UK had left the EU by the time the elections came around, you wouldn't have to have them.
The Commons would pass it if the government proposed it and didn't whip against. But May won't do that, so it won't happen, so we reach a hard barrier at the end of June.
To be fair she can't propose it without her cabinet falling apart, but those in her Cabinet opposed to no deal should realise that if they don't make this happen now it will be revoke or no deal at the end of June, and a crisis either way.
We must hold the European elections (or pass the deal, obviously).
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
Indeed. I have no doubt that any fair minded observer would inevitably conclude, observing our respective choice of language, that I am the one with the fragile ego.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
I recall your previous decision to take a break from this forum when your posts had previously descended to this level of debate,
I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
They are responding to a written request and no doubt the EU lawyers have arrived at this date
The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
I know it partly depends on Corbyn but MPs passed the extension by quite a sizable margin. If the alternative is to crash the clown car a little over a month in the future (on the EU early date) I'd have thought the votes would be there. Presumably they could phrase it as a contingency or something - ie if the UK had left the EU by the time the elections came around, you wouldn't have to have them.
The tone of Caroline Flint's point of order to the Speaker about laying legislation by the 11th April was very much against and it looks like many labour mps will not support a longer extension
We're reaching the stage where some sort of government of nation unity is required, led by a figure who is respected by all sides. I recall Nick Palmer saying Oliver Letwin is adored across the house for being such a nice, polite and thoughtful chap. Worth a go surely.
I think the leader of any government of national unity would have to someone like Emma Dent Coad or Mark Francois.
If you vote for independence, the UK Parliament will stick it's oar in, fart around for three years and then tell you you've changed your mind. All a bit pointless.
How do you get from "not even ask you whether you have changed your mind" to "tell you you have changed your mind?"
If you were booking a hotel room, given identical offers save that one says "booking cannot be cancelled" and the other says "you can cancel at any time up to 2 days before the booking", which would you go for?
We're reaching the stage where some sort of government of nation unity is required, led by a figure who is respected by all sides. I recall Nick Palmer saying Oliver Letwin is adored across the house for being such a nice, polite and thoughtful chap. Worth a go surely.
I think the leader of any government of national unity would have to someone like Emma Dent Coad or Mark Francois.
Dennis Skinner and Andrew Rosindell are also available.
On topic, Theresa May is living up to the put-down of Queen Anne: never has so small a woman sat on so big a throne. If she is threatening to quit, MPs should take her at her word and do what is necessary for her to carry out that threat. It's time for someone new.
This is very big news if true. Merkel may push back, but inevitably it introduces 1001 other variables, to do with positioning within French and other European domestic politics, into the mix.
I mean call me crazy, but if May wants June 30 and the EU says either earlier as May 23 or much much longer, would that maybe not have come up in conversation at some point recently before she sent them a letter?
Given that as recently as yesterday's cabinet meeting, she hadn't decided WHAT she planned to request, I admire your optimistic outlook on life..
She knew she'd be looking at AN extension. That's surely sufficient to at least sound out the EU and have an idea of what the reception of her formal request would be likely to be.
The best thing the French have done for us since Dunkirk/Falklands.
Now it's up to Parliament. This is a collective test for all of them,
They have four choices:
Deal No Deal Revoke Revote
By doing nothing they ensure No Deal. They are actively choosing No Deal. It will be on all of them.
Revote is out if no delay permitted by Macron No deal won't be chosen but might default to So deal or revoke is the choice that they vote on I think And May's deal passes? She'll probably gave to agree to quit
Perhaps he was asleep at the time, or his attention had wandered.
Maybe a she !!!!
The decision to attack Sevastopol, at the start of the Crimean War, was taken at a Cabinet lunch at which most ministers were asleep, after getting drunk.
Not coincidentally, I am reading - as a distraction - Five Days in London, all about the crucial week in May 1940, when Churchill and the nation had to decide whether to fight Hitler or sue for peace.
Here we are again. This time our isolation is less heroic.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
Well you don't really contribute to an argument. More a series of meaningless contrary statements. "Is this the right room for an argument, I've told you once". Interspersed with a few insults that a 6 year old would be embarrassed to use.
Perhaps you should try to find a room to practise being hit over the head in.
On the main issue of the day I have no problems with insults. We are on an internet chatroom, after all, albeit a superior one.
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
Honours are fairly evenly divided, actually. "Swivel eyed" and similar are pretty tedious, too.
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
6.2 on Betfair for no A50 extension, assuming Macron rumour is true.
It'll probably prove to have been misquoted slightly, or omitting something key ("I will oppose if .....")
I think Macron MIGHT change his mind if the UK said it was having a new referendum. That would be a route to cancelling Brexit, which is what he wants - especially as the expected business from the City has not arrived in Paris, instead heading mainly for Dublin, Frankfurt, and Amsterdam.
That seems to me a tad optimistic at this stage of the game...
Firstly, MPs have shown themselves utterly unwilling, collectively, to vote for any positive action, anyway, so I'm not seeing the momentum here even ignoring the basics of parliamentary arithmetic.
But even so, all the mood music is that an extension will be conditional on MV3. So wouldn't it need pitching and agreeing before (a) MV3 passes or (b) next Friday? Expecting MPs to act both positively and in a timely matter seems "brave", minister.
On the main issue of the day I have no problems with insults. We are on an internet chatroom, after all, albeit a superior one.
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
Honours are fairly evenly divided, actually. "Swivel eyed" and similar are pretty tedious, too.
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
On the main issue of the day I have no problems with insults. We are on an internet chatroom, after all, albeit a superior one.
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
Honours are fairly evenly divided, actually. "Swivel eyed" and similar are pretty tedious, too.
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
True, it is classic Dunning-Kruger, or as I like to call it. Jess Phillips Syndrome.
If he does that makes it deal v no deal by next friday
And Bercow won't let the commons vote for deal...
In those circumstances he would have no choice
Does anyone know the facts underlying the 1604 ruling against asking the same question twice? I can't find anything on google but I strongly suspect that it was intended to exclude second debates on unbelievably *unimportant* subjects, and is therefore being misapplied here.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
Well you don't really contribute to an argument. More a series of meaningless contrary statements. "Is this the right room for an argument, I've told you once". Interspersed with a few insults that a 6 year old would be embarrassed to use.
Perhaps you should try to find a room to practise being hit over the head in.
Hardly. Unlike you I have a clear defined position on the issues. I also have the sense to recognise that my preferred outcome is extremly unlikely and to be reconciled with that. I would suggest my position on Brexit is better understood by the long term contributors on here than most other people's, not least by those who disagree with it.
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
Well you don't really contribute to an argument. More a series of meaningless contrary statements. "Is this the right room for an argument, I've told you once". Interspersed with a few insults that a 6 year old would be embarrassed to use.
Perhaps you should try to find a room to practise being hit over the head in.
Try not to be too hard on him, he is a UKIP supporter. Sad, but true.
Pour une fois je dirai bravo Macron. Les anglais nous emm... Ils ont voulu sortir très bien dehors. Ils ont suffisamment bénéficié de régimes d’exception. Go away !
I'm confused why June 30 is out but May 23 is OK. Surely same problems exist with both?
Hypothetically if we unexpectedly revoke on May 22 then surely all the same legal problems with regards to the elections exist as if we do so on June 29. We won't be able to magically hold the elections on time.
Macron would be doing us a huge favour if he says 'non'
HOC would have to decide on deal or no deal
Or revoke
Or a longer extension for a referendum, GE, or negotiation of a different deal which would win Labour support
Longer extension seems most unlikely now due to the EU elections and our deadline to pass legislation for them in three weeks. I do not see the votes in the HOC to pass UK EU elections into law in time
Clearly the appetite for Brexit is no longer there and it must be cancelled. I cannot see how it is tenable any more. Every day a new story about how leave lied and cheated. This is not democracy. It is a disgrace.
The disgrace is Remoaners like you using every scare story and every delay to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
Oscar, after nearly three years I would have expected you to have come up with a new put down to replace "Remoaner". You are no longer setting us afire with the annihilating invective that left us so weak. Perhaps, at last, we can pop our head over the parapet and not be destroyed by your withering banter.
Why should i give a fuck what a non entity like you thinks?
I have no idea, but you clearly do, because you react to every minor slight to you or your political position on a public message board from people you don't know with abuse and name calling - sometimes within seconds.
But do keep it up. You have reached a level of quality in your clever and cutting remarks that the rest of us mere mortals can only gaze up at in wonder.
I respond because I enjoy the argument and even though your points are worthless I wouldn't want to hurt your little feelings by ignoring you.
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
I recall your previous decision to take a break from this forum when your posts had previously descended to this level of debate,
But I wasn't enjoying it then as it was all so tedious and going nowhere. Now it is fun again.
On the main issue of the day I have no problems with insults. We are on an internet chatroom, after all, albeit a superior one.
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
Honours are fairly evenly divided, actually. "Swivel eyed" and similar are pretty tedious, too.
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
On the main issue of the day I have no problems with insults. We are on an internet chatroom, after all, albeit a superior one.
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
Honours are fairly evenly divided, actually. "Swivel eyed" and similar are pretty tedious, too.
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
True, it is classic Dunning-Kruger, or as I like to call it. Jess Phillips Syndrome.
Would you like to post a list please, Ishmael, of the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ, together with your real name and address, and details of the institute to which you wish the various parts of your body to be sent for research purposes?
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The bigger problem for a longer delay is the statutory requirement for the UK to hold EU elections in May and in order to do that, legislation has to be laid before the HOC by the 11th April and then passed, which is three weeks tomorrow
I just cannot see a deadlocked HOC passing it, and as for the attitude of th electorate !!!!!!!!
A long delay does not seem possible politically or legally
Please God let May be gone soon...
It will be very interesting
As I have said many times before this board is entertainment. Nothing we can say here will make a blind bit of difference to what happens.
But I am glad you acknowledge your inferiority.
I expect it will be the 23rd May but if longer the UK will have to take part in the EU elections in May requiring the HOC to lay legislation by three weeks tomorrow, ......and then pass it in a deadlocked HOC
I'm not sure Parliament could pass a motion saying that today is Wednesday at the moment.
Control!!!
To be fair she can't propose it without her cabinet falling apart, but those in her Cabinet opposed to no deal should realise that if they don't make this happen now it will be revoke or no deal at the end of June, and a crisis either way.
We must hold the European elections (or pass the deal, obviously).
https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1107763172302356481
UK to lose 1 trn of financial assets due to Brexit.
If you were booking a hotel room, given identical offers save that one says "booking cannot be cancelled" and the other says "you can cancel at any time up to 2 days before the booking", which would you go for?
Now it's up to Parliament. This is a collective test for all of them,
They have four choices:
Deal
No Deal
Revoke
Revote
By doing nothing they ensure No Deal. They are actively choosing No Deal. It will be on all of them.
If he does that makes it deal v no deal by next friday
https://twitter.com/PropertySpot/status/1108047036094574593
But I do have a problem with the no you fuck off/moron/remoaner insults which are simply boring and lazy. That is a bigger crime.
Something the Brexiter dolts on here should heed.
This forum is a beacon of well and fiercely argued debate and to be fair generally not abusive
It'll probably prove to have been misquoted slightly, or omitting something key ("I will oppose if .....")
If the French stick to the traditional response of 'Non!' I think it is good news for us. Any extension will drag things out.
The only good solution is for Parliament to do the job for which they are elected, and decide.
They can decide according to personal views, party views, party loyalty, party whip, manifesto promise etc.
But do the job they were elected to do.
No deal won't be chosen but might default to
So deal or revoke is the choice that they vote on I think
And May's deal passes? She'll probably gave to agree to quit
Here we are again. This time our isolation is less heroic.
Perhaps you should try to find a room to practise being hit over the head in.
HOC would have to decide on deal or no deal
It is also quite striking how the posters on both sides who tend to call other people morons most often are themselves in the bottom 10% of posters ranked by IQ.
But, I see the attraction of telling the Commons to piss or get off the pot.
Some shameless self-promotion for the forthcoming final part of my trilogy: http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.com/2019/03/crown-of-blood-out-6-april.html
Firstly, MPs have shown themselves utterly unwilling, collectively, to vote for any positive action, anyway, so I'm not seeing the momentum here even ignoring the basics of parliamentary arithmetic.
But even so, all the mood music is that an extension will be conditional on MV3. So wouldn't it need pitching and agreeing before (a) MV3 passes or (b) next Friday? Expecting MPs to act both positively and in a timely matter seems "brave", minister.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/20/super-smeller-helps-develop-swab-test-for-parkinsons-disease
https://www.lepoint.fr/politique/emmanuel-berretta/emmanuel-macron-refuse-de-reporter-la-date-du-brexit-20-03-2019-2302680_1897.php
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Hypothetically if we unexpectedly revoke on May 22 then surely all the same legal problems with regards to the elections exist as if we do so on June 29. We won't be able to magically hold the elections on time.