Sensible tactics, go for them when they are at their weakest.
I think it has more to do with her putting words into the mouth of someone hated by the cultists and then drawing adverse conclusions from the made-up words that she put into the mouth of that person.
I don't doubt Pollard and the rest are delighted with the opportunity to crush the young woman at a particularly low point. If the glove fits.
Is that what the cult have been reduced to? Not denying deplorable behaviour but claiming that completely unrelated matters make it acceptable?
What?
What exactly is her deplorable behaviour?
If she tweeted something that mischaracterised Riley's tweet then fair enough that is a bad thing it hardly makes her behaviour deplorable.
Pollard and the like would happily take that opportunity, also I would have more sympathy for complaints about that being unrelated if lots of criticisms of Corbyn or Corbyn supporters didn't also bring in unrelated facts like say Scraphead mentioning Riley was Jewish.
Unrelated facts... like invoking Stephen Pollard on a story about Rachel Riley suing Laura Murray for libel?
Pollard was brought up (via tweet) by another poster, previous page or below depending on your reading method.
Not exactly. He tweeted something on an emerging story, a link to which was posted here. Your impugning of his character was apropos of nothing.
He wasn't tweeting breaking news updates, whilst that may have been part of it he was tweeting his own opinion.
I didn't say otherwise. It hardly matters; you had absolutely no justification for your ad hominem attack on him either way.
There were about 200 homicides in London in 2003 but I don't remember it being reported very much in the news at the time. The rate in London over the last few years has been about half that (despite the population of the capital being significantly higher). There doesn't seem to be much relation between the crime rate and whether people are feeling particularly anxious about it; it seems to depend on completely different factors to do with whether people are feeling optimistic or pessimistic in general. When you have optimistic times with a high crime rate, like the early noughties, people don't talk about it much because it doesn't match the narrative. In more pessimistic times with a low crime rate, like now, people seem to feel anxious about the relatively lower rate of crime.
It depends what gets media traction. Almost every stabbing is now reported.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
woof woof - there he is; Corbyn's anti-semitism is discussed on PB and up pops @TheJezziah.
Conservatives and Islamophobia mentioned and who else but Topping with the whataboutery train..
If your fine with those kind of values and want to support them with your vote that's your decision to make... just might make your usual whining look a little hypocritical.
Quite a lot of protesting there sunshine.
Classic Topping there, happy to talk for ages about Labour being racist and as soon as it comes to the Conservatives.... At least the whole bad faith thing is pretty clear now.
LOL. The thought of what you find pretty clear boggles the mind.
He's a Brexiteer, so the Tories would be a better match.
I'm increasingly of the view that the Corbynites and Ergers should be granted a mutual homeland on the Isle of Wight, where they could volley abuse at each other from either side of Robin Hill, before, several decades later, slowly realising how much they had in common.
What did the Isle of Wight do to deserve that?
Maybe we could just pay for them all to take a holiday to Svalbard?
If it is any comfort, myself and my family are attending a same sex wedding a week on Saturday.
My five year old has a few concerns, mostly to do with who throws the bouquet, because he wants me to catch it (!)
Oh, I know you lot aren't all anti-us lot by any stretch of the imagination (and some people are in both camps at once, of course,) but it's so depressing when people like those to whom the previously-quoted article referred are allowed to get away with weak excuses such as "my ten-year-old is too young to understand this." Three points:
(1) If said ten-year-old is expected to embrace the concept of an omnipotent-yet-invisible deity, who created everyone and everything and who related His laws to humanity through a series of ecstatic revelatory experiences to a Prophet, then they can get two ladies holding hands (2) If a group of parents at a little village CofE school somewhere out in the sticks said that they didn't want their darlings learning about non-Christian religions in their RE classes, the same people who are remaining diplomatically silent about this would absolutely eviscerate them (3) If parents are really so convinced that homosexuality is sin then religious freedom applies: they can still have this taught to their offspring in their places of worship, and reinforce the message at home. But it's not up to them to veto the curriculum mandated by ministers under the authority granted them by Parliament
I mean, honestly...
I agree with every word you say and would be very happy for my child to be taught the lessons that the school was admirably promoting. The world would be a much better place if people were all a lot more open and understanding about different ways of life which harm no one else.
There is a 'But' here but it is only on a point of law. As I understand it the parents are within their rights to withdraw their children from school and if they wish to have hem home schooled. So whilst I disagree with them completely on the substance of their protest, I would say that unfortunately they do have the legal right to veto the curriculum in the way they have done.
What is morally right (in mine and your views) and legally allowable do not match up in this case.
There were about 200 homicides in London in 2003 but I don't remember it being reported very much in the news at the time. The rate in London over the last few years has been about half that (despite the population of the capital being significantly higher). There doesn't seem to be much relation between the crime rate and whether people are feeling particularly anxious about it; it seems to depend on completely different factors to do with whether people are feeling optimistic or pessimistic in general. When you have optimistic times with a high crime rate, like the early noughties, people don't talk about it much because it doesn't match the narrative. In more pessimistic times with a low crime rate, like now, people seem to feel anxious about the relatively lower rate of crime.
Knife crime in London last year reached its highest level ever recorded
Although, when I went with a group of birders to Arizona, we did clear out the stock of cooked food at a KFC (who were just about to close) for ten bucks.
Would have fed the 5,000.....
So you went to Arizona for birding. And you ended up in Kentucky Fried Chicken. I would pay good money to see your bird book:
SPECIES: CHICKEN STATUS: DEAD (FRIED) ORIGIN: KENTUCKY SPOTTED AT: ARIZONA, USA PLUMAGE: SPARSE FEATHERS. SKIN VISIBLE OVER MOST OF BODY, BROWN/ORANGE COLORATION THROUGHOUT
Although, when I went with a group of birders to Arizona, we did clear out the stock of cooked food at a KFC (who were just about to close) for ten bucks.
Would have fed the 5,000.....
So you went to Arizona for birding. And you ended up in Kentucky Fried Chicken. I would pay good money to see your bird book:
SPECIES: CHICKEN STATUS: DEAD (FRIED) ORIGIN: KENTUCKY SPOTTED AT: ARIZONA, USA PLUMAGE: SPARSE FEATHERS. SKIN VISIBLE OVER MOST OF BODY, BROWN/ORANGE COLORATION THROUGHOUT
lol! The ID to species was probably open to some dispute.... (My old Chinese in Durham got raided - they discovered it was actually Sweet and Sour Seagull. Still - better than college food....)
Although, when I went with a group of birders to Arizona, we did clear out the stock of cooked food at a KFC (who were just about to close) for ten bucks.
Would have fed the 5,000.....
So you went to Arizona for birding. And you ended up in Kentucky Fried Chicken. I would pay good money to see your bird book:
SPECIES: CHICKEN STATUS: DEAD (FRIED) ORIGIN: KENTUCKY SPOTTED AT: ARIZONA, USA PLUMAGE: SPARSE FEATHERS. SKIN VISIBLE OVER MOST OF BODY, BROWN/ORANGE COLORATION THROUGHOUT
lol! The ID to species was probably open to some dispute.... (My old Chinese in Durham got raided - they discovered it was actually Sweet and Sour Seagull. Still - better than college food....)
Wouldnt it have been cheaper to just get Chicken which is dirt cheap rather than procuring seagul?
There is no hyperbole in my post. The sting of the original accusation, which I will not repeat out of respect for OGH, was that this was a woman completely beyond the pale of decency. Verbal assault is an entirely justifiable description of it.
You seem fine about such accusations being bandied around when they’re by fellow cultists. Have a long hard think about what you defend. This “young woman” holds a senior role and is about to be given another, we are told. Odd to see someone who professes to be of the left resort to sexism and ageism.
You keep mentioning, irrelevantly, the illness of a woman who played no part in this. That really is scraping the dregs. But then your whole mode of operation is to defend your cult blindly. So I am unsurprised by your mental prostitution.
Ohh please, I'm simply learning from the dregs of society that have used the same tactics on Corbyn and the left. These things are incredibly relevant when it involves a criticism of Corbyn or his supporters... Suddenly we are supposed to believe Pollard and the like who have been attacking from the beginning are kind hearted souls who wouldn't push this now when she is at her lowest?
Not that naive.
So if there is no hyperbole in my post then repeatedly doubled down was a correct usage? so what that is like 8 times or something?
Riley continued her usual MO of attacking the left using Corbyn's attack as her latest ammunition, given her previous behaviour towards left wing people this is no surprise, that this angered the type of people it was aimed to anger is no surprise but that doesn't excuse lying about rachel in return. Although obviously that doesn't then excuse the dogpile from despicable types such as Pollard cheering on viciously attacking this woman at a low point either.
I can’t count the doublings down because the the repeatings of the assertion under challenge have - wisely - been deleted. But no hyperbole. She kept going on this one.
Yet again you assert that the health of a woman who played no part in this is somehow relevant. It is not and it is disgusting that you suggest that it is.
Remind me to call this outrage train in next time it is used on Corbyn and his supporters, I have no doubt it will be suddenly missing.
I doubt you would find many of your other critics on this thread feel warmly to me either. I’ve not exactly been shy about calling out the xenophobia of the right. The hypocrisy of both extremes disgusts me.
Isn't he technically Welsh by birth? Although I must say politicians with an affected English accent and posh clothing are not common in Newport...
I wouldn’t let the dog out in Newport.
People go on about the valleys or old industrial towns like Merthyr being rough (I’d live in Merthyr no problem) but Newport is a miles bigger shithole than all of them. It’s the only place I’ve ever had a knife pulled on me. In broad daylight. I’d be surprised if UKIP get their deposit back.
If it is any comfort, myself and my family are attending a same sex wedding a week on Saturday.
My five year old has a few concerns, mostly to do with who throws the bouquet, because he wants me to catch it (!)
Oh, I know you lot aren't all anti-us lot by any stretch of the imagination (and some people are in both camps at once, of course,) but it's so depressing when people like those to whom the previously-quoted article referred are allowed to get away with weak excuses such as "my ten-year-old is too young to understand this." Three points:
(1) If said ten-year-old is expected to embrace the concept of an omnipotent-yet-invisible deity, who created everyone and everything and who related His laws to humanity through a series of ecstatic revelatory experiences to a Prophet, then they can get two ladies holding hands (2) If a group of parents at a little village CofE school somewhere out in the sticks said that they didn't want their darlings learning about non-Christian religions in their RE classes, the same people who are remaining diplomatically silent about this would absolutely eviscerate them (3) If parents are really so convinced that homosexuality is sin then religious freedom applies: they can still have this taught to their offspring in their places of worship, and reinforce the message at home. But it's not up to them to veto the curriculum mandated by ministers under the authority granted them by Parliament
I mean, honestly...
I agree with every word you say and would be very happy for my child to be taught the lessons that the school was admirably promoting. The world would be a much better place if people were all a lot more open and understanding about different ways of life which harm no one else.
There is a 'But' here but it is only on a point of law. As I understand it the parents are within their rights to withdraw their children from school and if they wish to have hem home schooled. So whilst I disagree with them completely on the substance of their protest, I would say that unfortunately they do have the legal right to veto the curriculum in the way they have done.
What is morally right (in mine and your views) and legally allowable do not match up in this case.
So at least people now know the actual legal issue. The only sanction available is a fine for unauthorised absence - which is administrated by local authorities (except in some circumstances that involve Academies).
It's why I stated that you want faceless bureaucrats imposing this, they could just about do it given a decent wind and luck with magistrates but you would need to be determined to do so as one day out of school isn't really a fineable offence
He's a Brexiteer, so the Tories would be a better match.
I'm increasingly of the view that the Corbynites and Ergers should be granted a mutual homeland on the Isle of Wight, where they could volley abuse at each other from either side of Robin Hill, before, several decades later, slowly realising how much they had in common.
What did the Isle of Wight do to deserve that?
Maybe we could just pay for them all to take a holiday to Svalbard?
Wonderful place to visit with polar bears to keep you company.
It is the only place we have seen a polar bear in its natural environment.
Quite bad tempered today. Probably a sign of things to come.
Yes this site is getting worse by the day. I have stopped in the main posting as it has become even more divisive then ever.
I know. Some people still claim to hate pineapple on pizzas. They're the lowest of the low if you ask me, the scum of humanity.
Hardly there was an unnecessary comment regarding Ann Frank earlier today.
Yep, I saw that, and agree; I was just trying to lift the mood.
And don't get me started on house-husbands: you can't get much lower than them. I mean, just look at me: house-husbanding gives me so much free time that I manage to fit in being an NSDAP troll and an Islamaphobe - at least according to theJezziah .
Mr. Foremain, nothing says benign like foreign laws being imposed on a nation-state with no power to refuse them, whilst paying billions every year for the privilege.
It's only a few years ago Clegg was claiming an EU army was a fantasy.
As an aside, supposing May's deal passes, I would guess that would include the idiocy of Article 13. Knowing May's technological deficiency and authoritarian streak, it'd probably remain even if we actually extricated ourselves from the bureaucratic octopus.
Yet an EU army is actually a good idea. None of the EU nations really has the military or political capability to be able to operate independently in the current global environment.
Yes, I can't quite see what the objection is against participating in an EU army if we're happy to have our forces under NATO commanded by an American (SACEUR).
And all future SACEURs will be American. That's not even up for discussion.
There were about 200 homicides in London in 2003 but I don't remember it being reported very much in the news at the time. The rate in London over the last few years has been about half that (despite the population of the capital being significantly higher). There doesn't seem to be much relation between the crime rate and whether people are feeling particularly anxious about it; it seems to depend on completely different factors to do with whether people are feeling optimistic or pessimistic in general. When you have optimistic times with a high crime rate, like the early noughties, people don't talk about it much because it doesn't match the narrative. In more pessimistic times with a low crime rate, like now, people seem to feel anxious about the relatively lower rate of crime.
Indeed. But it's also worth mentioning that the total numbers of London murders last year was 135, compared to an average of 176 in the years 1990-2004. The population has grown considerably in the last 30 years too.
Um, is that building actually bugged? Is there somebody hiding under a desk tweeting? Is Jason Bourne in the next building saying "You look tired, Jenny: get some rest". How the hell is this known?
Indeed. But it's also worth mentioning that the total numbers of London murders last year was 135, compared to an average of 176 in the years 1990-2004. The population has grown considerably in the last 30 years too.
Domestics and murders in the home might have declined in London but it is the dramatic rise in knife crime on the streets of London which is causing concern and the stabbing to death of Jodie Chesney in Romford at the weekend will only have added to it. We urgently need more stop and search patrols
It was a verbal assault on Rachel Riley. One that has apparently given rise to libel proceedings. Challenged on it, she repeatedly doubled down, as did the Corbynite claque.
That line not having lasted the day, you now seek to put her beyond criticism by claiming that others are being beastly to her. It’s palpable nonsense.
Instead of standing blindly behind your cult leader, consider why the cult is in such a mess tonight. In large part it is because it at every stage has chosen to defend its own rather than confront their failings. Time to take a cold hard look at the behaviour you are defending.
A 'verbal assault' jeez... I hope the hospital was able to offer sufficient treatment for the injuries. Let's not overdo the hyperbole.
Also 'repeatedly doubled down' is this doubling down multiple times? Didn't we just discuss hyperbole.
None of her behaviour (minus hyperbole) excuses the strength of reaction from trolls like Pollard against the young woman. The fact they are choosing to do so as her Mother starts cancer treatment just shows them up for the low lives they are.
Look again at the hyperbole in your post and look again at the behaviour you are condoning in the name of anti Corbyn and ask yourself if you really want to take this particular position. Plenty to agree with Corbyn critics on but I would have thought you would be above the nastier edge.
There is no hyperbole in my post. The sting of the original accusation, which I will not repeat out of respect for OGH, was that this was a woman completely beyond the pale of decency. Verbal assault is an entirely justifiable description of it.
You seem fine about such accusations being bandied around when they’re by fellow cultists. Have a long hard think about what you defend. This “young woman” holds a senior role and is about to be given another, we are told. Odd to see someone who professes to be of the left resort to sexism and ageism.
You keep mentioning, irrelevantly, the illness of a woman who played no part in this. That really is scraping the dregs. But then your whole mode of operation is to defend your cult blindly. So I am unsurprised by your mental prostitution.
I don’t like the whole verbal assault, and words are violence trend we seem to be moving to. Unpleasant words were exchanged. Nobody is,assaulted by hurty words. Say thing that are untrue and actionable though and rightly get taken to the cleaners.
Words are not violence, as violence is an acceptable action to prevent violence to yourself.
The divisiveness of the site stems from longstanding PB-contributing Labour Party members and PB Tories remarking on all the Labour MPs and Labour Party members criticising Jeremy Corbyn and being criticised for this by PB's Jeremy Corbyn fans.
Guys: I deleted my comment (and those that quoted it), because it was in incredibly bad taste.
Thank you so much.
It stirred memories of the forties and fifties that we experienced as children and teenagers living safely here in the UK that are still vivid and painful today on a human scale
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Quite bad tempered today. Probably a sign of things to come.
Yes this site is getting worse by the day. I have stopped in the main posting as it has become even more divisive then ever.
I know. Some people still claim to hate pineapple on pizzas. They're the lowest of the low if you ask me, the scum of humanity.
Hardly there was an unnecessary comment regarding Ann Frank earlier today.
It was a shocking comment to be honest
Yes I thought so to BigG.
It was intended, um, satirically, you know? I was suggesting to an AS apologist that that was where his train of thought was leading. In future I'll fill in the blanks, or add footnotes, or something.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Nothing to do with major housebuilders ruining their own reputations by getting too greedy and exploiting leasehold and now freehold with management companies?
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
I am sorry to hear that but 650 mps share the responsibility and must get their act together
For me TM deal is the easiest answer otherwise remain, but I do not know how we get there
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
woof woof - there he is; Corbyn's anti-semitism is discussed on PB and up pops @TheJezziah.
Conservatives and Islamophobia mentioned and who else but Topping with the whataboutery train..
If your fine with those kind of values and want to support them with your vote that's your decision to make... just might make your usual whining look a little hypocritical.
Quite a lot of protesting there sunshine.
Classic Topping there, happy to talk for ages about Labour being racist and as soon as it comes to the Conservatives.... At least the whole bad faith thing is pretty clear now.
LOL. The thought of what you find pretty clear boggles the mind.
I don’t really understand the line take; up over the last few days by the corbynistas. The Tories have significant faults but I wouldn’t say open islamophobia is one of them, unlike Newkip. It’s like I’m talking to my five year old about doing something bad and he points at something his brother is doing something else
That's interesting. For unrelated reasons I've been wondering about her position. You can get 19/1 on her to be next out of the Cabinet if you shop around a bit, or you could yesterday.
Quite bad tempered today. Probably a sign of things to come.
Yes this site is getting worse by the day. I have stopped in the main posting as it has become even more divisive then ever.
I know. Some people still claim to hate pineapple on pizzas. They're the lowest of the low if you ask me, the scum of humanity.
Hardly there was an unnecessary comment regarding Ann Frank earlier today.
It was a shocking comment to be honest
Yes I thought so to BigG.
It was intended, um, satirically, you know? I was suggesting to an AS apologist that that was where his train of thought was leading. In future I'll fill in the blanks, or add footnotes, or something.
Thoughtless maybe but I am sure you will be a little more measured in the future, thank you
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
People sussing out that new houses are a rip off? Sorry if I don’t shed a tear.
Labour - civil war Tories - multiple factions, blue on blue attacks in cabinet Brexit - millions of very angry people shouting at each other Cats / Dogs living together
Don't see how on here is any different to anywhere else at the moment
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Nothing to do with major housebuilders ruining their own reputations by getting too greedy and exploiting leasehold and now freehold with management companies?
Probably not. My employer, in a completely different sector, lost a £35k contract a couple of weeks ago. Client was a foreign bank which, surprise surprise, is reducing its commitment to the UK.
UK assets are now at the bottom of the international popularity league. Growth in UK stock markets has lagged well behind the average since 2016, this represents billions of pounds of value that would have existed were it not for Brexit.
Um, is that building actually bugged? Is there somebody hiding under a desk tweeting? Is Jason Bourne in the next building saying "You look tired, Jenny: get some rest". How the hell is this known?
Bit like the practically live text commentary we get from Cabinet and PLP meetings. Might as well have the press in the room.
In all seriousness, do the parties find it impossible to ask that everyone surrender their phones at the door ahead of these meetings? Isn't that what bag carrying spads are for?
In fairness I find jokes about Holocaust victims and sneers at people who are suffering financially because of Brexit to be pretty distasteful as well. (And yes, @tlg86, the latter was a reference to you.)
That, my friend, is a work of genius. Thanks for posting!
It’s good to see it back, it was banned for months if not years by the joyless record label for a copyright breach. At some point, sense must have prevailed - it’s a send up, and fair use.
A 'verbal assault' jeez... I hope the hospital was able to offer sufficient treatment for the injuries. Let's not overdo the hyperbole.
Also 'repeatedly doubled down' is this doubling down multiple times? Didn't we just discuss hyperbole.
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There is no hyperbole in my post. The sting of the original accusation, which I will not repeat out of respect for OGH, was that this was a woman completely beyond the pale of decency. Verbal assault is an entirely justifiable description of it.
You seem fine about such accusations being bandied around when they’re by fellow cultists. Have a long hard think about what you defend. This “young woman” holds a senior role and is about to be given another, we are told. Odd to see someone who professes to be of the left resort to sexism and ageism.
You keep mentioning, irrelevantly, the illness of a woman who played no part in this. That really is scraping the dregs. But then your whole mode of operation is to defend your cult blindly. So I am unsurprised by your mental prostitution.
Ohh please, I'm simply learning from the dregs of society that have used the same tactics on Corbyn and the left. These things are incredibly relevant when it involves a criticism of Corbyn or his supporters... Suddenly we are supposed to believe Pollard and the like who have been attacking from the beginning are kind hearted souls who wouldn't push this now when she is at her lowest?
Not that naive.
So if there is no hyperbole in my post then repeatedly doubled down was a correct usage? so what that is like 8 times or something?
Riley continued her usual MO of attacking the left using Corbyn's attack as her latest ammunition, given her previous behaviour towards left wing people this is no surprise, that this angered the type of people it was aimed to anger is no surprise but that doesn't excuse lying about rachel in return. Although obviously that doesn't then excuse the dogpile from despicable types such as Pollard cheering on viciously attacking this woman at a low point either.
You seem to be saying that if someone has been against Corbyn since the start then there is no further criticism which is valid, and they should not put forward any further criticisms
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
People sussing out that new houses are a rip off? Sorry if I don’t shed a tear.
That’s a fairly unpleasant response to someone who has lost out personally.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Nothing to do with major housebuilders ruining their own reputations by getting too greedy and exploiting leasehold and now freehold with management companies?
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
I am sorry to hear that but 650 mps share the responsibility and must get their act together
For me TM deal is the easiest answer otherwise remain, but I do not know how we get there
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
People sussing out that new houses are a rip off? Sorry if I don’t shed a tear.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
People sussing out that new houses are a rip off? Sorry if I don’t shed a tear.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
People sussing out that new houses are a rip off? Sorry if I don’t shed a tear.
That’s a fairly unpleasant response to someone who has lost out personally.
No more than we have come to expect from the death cult.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
Labour - civil war Tories - multiple factions, blue on blue attacks in cabinet Brexit - millions of very angry people shouting at each other Cats / Dogs living together
Don't see how on here is any different to anywhere else at the moment
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
You are right, the Remain campaign do have a lot to answer for.
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
While at the same time Corbyn becoming leader of Lab gave people license to engage in anti-Semitic behaviour in his party.
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
You are right, the Remain campaign do have a lot to answer for.
"If they'd run a better campaign, we'd have lost like we thought we would and wouldn't have been found out."
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
So at least people now know the actual legal issue. The only sanction available is a fine for unauthorised absence - which is administrated by local authorities (except in some circumstances that involve Academies).
It's why I stated that you want faceless bureaucrats imposing this, they could just about do it given a decent wind and luck with magistrates but you would need to be determined to do so as one day out of school isn't really a fineable offence
But all that then happens is the parents choose to home school. I am not sure there is any straight forward answer to this.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
"This is due to a combination of a less-favourable tax treatment, tougher underwriting standards by mortgage lenders and lower demand for rented accommodation."
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
Well a local estate agent in South London told me on Saturday that asking prices were 15% down on the peak and sales are slow. Which is borne out by the experience of two friends who have recently sold in the area. FTSE housebuilders are indeed profitable, thanks to the taxpayer propping them up through help to buy.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
Anyone on here remember any specifics of the odds for the 1992 UK general election? Like how short Labour would have got to win most seats, what were the odds on the day?
Trying to find pre-digital odds records at Ladbrokes is not easy.
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
You are right, the Remain campaign do have a lot to answer for.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
"This is due to a combination of a less-favourable tax treatment, tougher underwriting standards by mortgage lenders and lower demand for rented accommodation."
You clever guy. You know more than housebuilder who sack me. You know more than me. You take over company.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
“The surveys all suggest that first-time buyer transactions are picking up slightly but they all show this being offset by a dramatic drop in buy-to-let demand.”
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
Well a local estate agent in South London told me on Saturday that asking prices were 15% down on the peak and sales are slow. Which is borne out by the experience of two friends who have recently sold in the area. FTSE housebuilders are indeed profitable, thanks to the taxpayer propping them up through help to buy.
House sales are currently slow in Gloucestershire. Here in Cannock there is a house two doors down from me that has been on the market since before Christmas - admittedly I think they're asking 10% more than it's worth..
Isn't he technically Welsh by birth? Although I must say politicians with an affected English accent and posh clothing are not common in Newport...
I wouldn’t let the dog out in Newport.
People go on about the valleys or old industrial towns like Merthyr being rough (I’d live in Merthyr no problem) but Newport is a miles bigger shithole than all of them. It’s the only place I’ve ever had a knife pulled on me. In broad daylight. I’d be surprised if UKIP get their deposit back.
'Welsh by birth' seems a bit grudging. He was born in the valleys, he grew up in Wales, his parents were Welsh, he comes from a coal family. He may davour a daft bow tie but daft bow ties aren't the preserve of the English.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
Well a local estate agent in South London told me on Saturday that asking prices were 15% down on the peak and sales are slow. Which is borne out by the experience of two friends who have recently sold in the area. FTSE housebuilders are indeed profitable, thanks to the taxpayer propping them up through help to buy.
Isn't he technically Welsh by birth? Although I must say politicians with an affected English accent and posh clothing are not common in Newport...
I wouldn’t let the dog out in Newport.
People go on about the valleys or old industrial towns like Merthyr being rough (I’d live in Merthyr no problem) but Newport is a miles bigger shithole than all of them. It’s the only place I’ve ever had a knife pulled on me. In broad daylight. I’d be surprised if UKIP get their deposit back.
TBH I'd say the opposite, although it does depend where in Newport. The City centre has been improved a lot over the last 10 years and is quite nice now I would say, certainly compared to previously. Some parts of Newport outside city centre can be quite rough but no worse than many places in the valleys. Admittedly I haven't spent much time in Merthyr but I'd be surprised if it was less rough than the average of Newport.
Edit: Although when I used to go to Newport bus stop (before improvement in recent years) the line from Star wars cantina about the greatest hive of scum and villainy in the universe would always come to mind, it was half joking...
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
You have my sympathy, especially as private housing starts were at their second highest in a decade last year (2016-7 being the highest), house prices are solid, seasonally-adjusted house sales are a smidgen higher than 2015, and FTSE housebuilders are very profitable indeed.
Well a local estate agent in South London told me on Saturday that asking prices were 15% down on the peak and sales are slow. Which is borne out by the experience of two friends who have recently sold in the area. FTSE housebuilders are indeed profitable, thanks to the taxpayer propping them up through help to buy.
Yes, it's all excellent news for first time buyers. Bad news for the speculators and buy to let parasites.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
"This is due to a combination of a less-favourable tax treatment, tougher underwriting standards by mortgage lenders and lower demand for rented accommodation."
You clever guy. You know more than housebuilder who sack me. You know more than me. You take over company.
Unlikely. As we’ve seen, Brexitism involves making a string of false claims and then running away from all responsibility.
British politics is basically disintegrating before our eyes. The only question is, is it because of Brexit, or is Brexit merely the catalyst needed to push an already tottering system over the edge?
The Brexit campaign gave people license to lie to people and say nasty things about each other without censure.
While at the same time Corbyn becoming leader of Lab gave people license to engage in anti-Semitic behaviour in his party.
Funnily enough Tory types did start pushing it harder in reaction to complaints about xenophobia during the Brexit campaign, it is the Tory look over there weapon, falsely blame their opponents for racism.
Lost a substantial contract today because of Brexit. I’d been commissioned to run a series of training events for a major housebuilder but the decline in sales since the vote is now biting hard and all non-essential spending has been stopped. That’s several thousand pounds I won’t be getting.
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
Most house builders have seen strong sales since 2016.
According to the ONS, construction of private housing was running almost a fifth higher in Q4 2018, compared to Q2 2016. And, purchases by first time buyers are at their highest level since 2007. I don't know about the specific circumstances of your client, but the new build sector overall is strong.
Anyone on here remember any specifics of the odds for the 1992 UK general election? Like how short Labour would have got to win most seats, what were the odds on the day?
Trying to find pre-digital odds records at Ladbrokes is not easy.
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That said, it’s still shocking.
It’s one of my favourite places.
There is a 'But' here but it is only on a point of law. As I understand it the parents are within their rights to withdraw their children from school and if they wish to have hem home schooled. So whilst I disagree with them completely on the substance of their protest, I would say that unfortunately they do have the legal right to veto the curriculum in the way they have done.
What is morally right (in mine and your views) and legally allowable do not match up in this case.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-hits-highest-level-ever-recorded-a3965111.html
I have stopped in the main posting as it has become even more divisive then ever.
Its creation is a perfect illustration of how science progresses"
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2019/02/28/the-periodic-table-is-150-years-old-this-week
SPECIES: CHICKEN
STATUS: DEAD (FRIED)
ORIGIN: KENTUCKY
SPOTTED AT: ARIZONA, USA
PLUMAGE: SPARSE FEATHERS. SKIN VISIBLE OVER MOST OF BODY, BROWN/ORANGE COLORATION THROUGHOUT
People go on about the valleys or old industrial towns like Merthyr being rough (I’d live in Merthyr no problem) but Newport is a miles bigger shithole than all of them. It’s the only place I’ve ever had a knife pulled on me. In broad daylight. I’d be surprised if UKIP get their deposit back.
It's why I stated that you want faceless bureaucrats imposing this, they could just about do it given a decent wind and luck with magistrates but you would need to be determined to do so as one day out of school isn't really a fineable offence
It is the only place we have seen a polar bear in its natural environment.
And don't get me started on house-husbands: you can't get much lower than them. I mean, just look at me: house-husbanding gives me so much free time that I manage to fit in being an NSDAP troll and an Islamaphobe - at least according to theJezziah .
I wonder how the succession is going...
Indeed. But it's also worth mentioning that the total numbers of London murders last year was 135, compared to an average of 176 in the years 1990-2004. The population has grown considerably in the last 30 years too.
Words are not violence, as violence is an acceptable action to prevent violence to yourself.
It stirred memories of the forties and fifties that we experienced as children and teenagers living safely here in the UK that are still vivid and painful today on a human scale
In Autumn 2016 I was contacted by a government agency asking what benefits I could see arising from exiting the EU. I couldn’t think of a single one. I still can’t.
Business. Fucked. To misquote the former Foreign Secretary.
Angry doesn’t cut it.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1102656072437899266
For me TM deal is the easiest answer otherwise remain, but I do not know how we get there
Labour - civil war
Tories - multiple factions, blue on blue attacks in cabinet
Brexit - millions of very angry people shouting at each other
Cats / Dogs living together
Don't see how on here is any different to anywhere else at the moment
UK assets are now at the bottom of the international popularity league. Growth in UK stock markets has lagged well behind the average since 2016, this represents billions of pounds of value that would have existed were it not for Brexit.
In all seriousness, do the parties find it impossible to ask that everyone surrender their phones at the door ahead of these meetings? Isn't that what bag carrying spads are for?
In fairness I find jokes about Holocaust victims and sneers at people who are suffering financially because of Brexit to be pretty distasteful as well. (And yes, @tlg86, the latter was a reference to you.)
https://twitter.com/feedthedrummer/status/1091673937514283016
Hickenlooper gets a 9.
Mmm, that’s a toughie.
Idiot.
As opposed to what, the fucking badger nation?
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1102668722379083776
https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/article/housebuilder-shares-in-bleak-territory-amid-property-price-shock
"This is due to a combination of a less-favourable tax treatment, tougher underwriting standards by mortgage lenders and lower demand for rented accommodation."
Bernie's looks like toothpaste! I never realised.
Like how short Labour would have got to win most seats, what were the odds on the day?
Trying to find pre-digital odds records at Ladbrokes is not easy.
Sounds so awful.
Edit: Although when I used to go to Newport bus stop (before improvement in recent years) the line from Star wars cantina about the greatest hive of scum and villainy in the universe would always come to mind, it was half joking...