Do not be alarmed! The Glorious Helmsman is safe and sound, despite the ovarian assault aimed at him by the agents of the capitalist pigdogs. The small plume of smoke is no cause for concern. Delighted by the Supreme Leader's continuing good health, members of the Inner Party enthusiastically and spontaneously held a party for the People's Chairman, including the traditional worker's custom of burning unnecessary paperwork that was due to be shredded in any event.
Never let it be said that the Tribunes of the People do not know how to embrace festivities!
Mr. Foremain, nothing says benign like foreign laws being imposed on a nation-state with no power to refuse them, whilst paying billions every year for the privilege.
It's only a few years ago Clegg was claiming an EU army was a fantasy.
As an aside, supposing May's deal passes, I would guess that would include the idiocy of Article 13. Knowing May's technological deficiency and authoritarian streak, it'd probably remain even if we actually extricated ourselves from the bureaucratic octopus.
Yet an EU army is actually a good idea. None of the EU nations really has the military or political capability to be able to operate independently in the current global environment.
Yes, I can't quite see what the objection is against participating in an EU army if we're happy to have our forces under NATO commanded by an American (SACEUR).
There was a post on a Facebook page in a strong Leave area that I look at which was, the other day not only warning of the strong possibility of a European Army but that our youth would be conscripted into it.
Why doesn't that surprise you. Leave need any straw they can find to prop up a plan which is starting to seriously unravel.
It doesn't particularly surprise me, for the reason you present.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
On the contrary, I think it's only just gotten started.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
How long before we learn that those emails have accidentally been lost and removed from all archives?
On topic. Don't see this happening any time soon, if ever, let alone before the next election. This idea has been mooted for many years, but I don't hear anyone really talking about it.
You mention it is getting traction in the media. Not here in Maryland, it isn't.
I can see its attractions to improve voter turnout - under the current system, if you're a Republican in all but one congressional district in MD, there is little point in voting, and the same is true for Democrats in much of the Deep South. Moving to a system where the national popular vote counted for something would give reason for the voters of the losing side in deep red and deep blue states to get out and vote.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
After Tom Watson's move last week, Corbynistas were out in force claiming it would breach GDPR for him to see anything (although apparently not for Charlie to see the same stuff)
Anyhow, how does "staff using UNITE email addresses" fit that narrative...
The Saving Labour battle swings onto a whole new front: data protection violations.
Labour's complaints team said to be in chaos amid rumours its head has resigned following revelations in the Sunday papers that antisemitism cases were shared with staff in Corbyn's office.
Heart of Stone etc etc...
Except this crowd could be in Downing Street within months.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
Mr. Foremain, nothing says benign like foreign laws being imposed on a nation-state with no power to refuse them, whilst paying billions every year for the privilege.
It's only a few years ago Clegg was claiming an EU army was a fantasy.
As an aside, supposing May's deal passes, I would guess that would include the idiocy of Article 13. Knowing May's technological deficiency and authoritarian streak, it'd probably remain even if we actually extricated ourselves from the bureaucratic octopus.
Yet an EU army is actually a good idea. None of the EU nations really has the military or political capability to be able to operate independently in the current global environment.
No it's a terrible idea. Soldiers would be left in limbo in dangerous situations while the chinless goons of Brussels were arguing about who was going to supply to currants for the biscuits.
You would prefer them to be under the control and direction of the incompetent goons that make up Mrs May`s Cabinet?
The opposition to it is fairly pathetic. We provide peacekeepers to the UN and NATO, and work alongside other allies on joint ops all the time. And guess what? We don't have to play if we don't want to, because sovereignty!
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Mr. Foremain, nothing says benign like foreign laws being imposed on a nation-state with no power to refuse them, whilst paying billions every year for the privilege.
It's only a few years ago Clegg was claiming an EU army was a fantasy.
As an aside, supposing May's deal passes, I would guess that would include the idiocy of Article 13. Knowing May's technological deficiency and authoritarian streak, it'd probably remain even if we actually extricated ourselves from the bureaucratic octopus.
Yet an EU army is actually a good idea. None of the EU nations really has the military or political capability to be able to operate independently in the current global environment.
No it's a terrible idea. Soldiers would be left in limbo in dangerous situations while the chinless goons of Brussels were arguing about who was going to supply to currants for the biscuits.
You would prefer them to be under the control and direction of the incompetent goons that make up Mrs May`s Cabinet?
The opposition to it is fairly pathetic. We provide peacekeepers to the UN and NATO, and work alongside other allies on joint ops all the time. And guess what? We don't have to play if we don't want to, because sovereignty!
But unlike NATO, the end goal of the EU is a federal Europe. There wouldn't be much sovereignty left at that point.
What makes this particularly problematic for Labour is that, given their decision to involve her in the processing of anti-Semitism claims, settlement on any terms that recognised any slight would be a PR disaster.
Hmm...Why would smaller States agree to this? Why would swing States that get tens of millions spent in them by each side agree to this? Why would Republican America in the fly over agree to give up power to those flaky east and west coasters?
I find it incredibly unlikely that this will come to pass. It seems a completely disproportionate response, even to something as daft as Trump.
There are two circumstances where this could "fly":
1. Texas flips in 2020, and the Republicans edge the national vote while losing the electoral college. Suddenly, there is real fear in the Republican party that there will be tens of millions of wasted votes in the state.
2. The Democrats in 2020 and 2024 run up ever increasing vote margins, but it doesn't translate into power. I'm not talking about 3% wins, I'm talking about a 10% difference. At this point, it feels to California like the East and West Pakistan situation. Secession - which seems very unlikely right now - could raise its head, forcing a change.
What makes this particularly problematic for Labour is that, given their decision to involve her in the processing of anti-Semitism claims, settlement on any terms that recognised any slight would be a PR disaster.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
We are on a politics website and it is one of the more important political stories today, including with many betting implications.
Are you sure you're in the right place.
Oh but you said you were waiting for the media to discuss the Cons' Islamophobia. So make up your mind, are you interested or not interested in this sort of thing?
What makes this particularly problematic for Labour is that, given their decision to involve her in the processing of anti-Semitism claims, settlement on any terms that recognised any slight would be a PR disaster.
So no downsides then? Piquant, as SeanT would say.
Hmm...Why would smaller States agree to this? Why would swing States that get tens of millions spent in them by each side agree to this? Why would Republican America in the fly over agree to give up power to those flaky east and west coasters?
I find it incredibly unlikely that this will come to pass. It seems a completely disproportionate response, even to something as daft as Trump.
There are two circumstances where this could "fly":
1. Texas flips in 2020, and the Republicans edge the national vote while losing the electoral college. Suddenly, there is real fear in the Republican party that there will be tens of millions of wasted votes in the state.
2. The Democrats in 2020 and 2024 run up ever increasing vote margins, but it doesn't translate into power. I'm not talking about 3% wins, I'm talking about a 10% difference. At this point, it feels to California like the East and West Pakistan situation. Secession - which seems very unlikely right now - could raise its head, forcing a change.
Wouldn't the Republicans just say to California "make sure you close the door on the way out?"
What makes this particularly problematic for Labour is that, given their decision to involve her in the processing of anti-Semitism claims, settlement on any terms that recognised any slight would be a PR disaster.
If Labour settle out of court, she could donate all the money to TIG.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
The introduction, yet again, of narrowly economic questions into the debate about Brexit shows that the political class still don’t get it. They still don’t get why people voted for Brexit. And this goes for politicos from across the political spectrum. The Corbynista left patronises the hell out of Brexit voters by saying that the real reason they voted Leave is because they are ‘hurting’ economically, they feel ‘left behind’, they are still sad and wounded by the fallout from the financial crisis of 2008 onwards. In short, the vote for Brexit was a confused and tragic cry for help, mostly for economic help, and it falls to the PhD-laden activists of the Corbyn set to decipher that cry and answer it. Supercilious much?
On the right too, and in pro-Remain circles, there is an obsession with the economic dimension of Brexit. What will it do to jobs? The amount of time lorries have to wait at Dover? Will we have to pay €7 to visit Europe post-Brexit? What about data-roaming charges when we’re holidaying in Spain? Have you thought about all of this, you dumb Brexiteers?! https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/theresa-mays-bung-shows-she-still-doesnt-understand-brexit/
Brendan O'Neill is correct, but there's a huge caveat.
If there is a recession - a real proper, serious recession - then the government and Brexit will get the blame. Yeah, sure, a lot people might say "those damn EUites caused it..."
But that's going to be cold comfort to people who lost their job or their home. It's easy to care about sovereignty when the mortgage is paid, and the difficult question is about where the next family holiday will be.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Why should I be facing upto anti semitism . I’m not anti Semitic and think the vast majority of Labour supporters and members are in the same boat . I have an issue just with the Israeli government policies , no problem at all with Israel or Jewish people.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
So you are bored of Labour anti-semitism stories but would like to see Tory islamophobia stories, which would presumably be the mirror image of the same thing? Puzzling.
If you are just looking for lines to take about this, I'd go with "Anne Frank had it coming anyway."
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
If you are just looking for lines to take about this, I'd go with "Anne Frank had it coming anyway."
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
So you are bored of Labour anti-semitism stories but would like to see Tory islamophobia stories, which would presumably be the mirror image of the same thing? Puzzling.
If you are just looking for lines to take about this, I'd go with "Anne Frank had it coming anyway."
Yeouch! I think you're standing on the line, even if you haven't crossed it there.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Why should I be facing upto anti semitism . I’m not anti Semitic and think the vast majority of Labour supporters and members are in the same boat . I have an issue just with the Israeli government policies , no problem at all with Israel or Jewish people.
I suppose it depends upon where you draw the line on compromise for hateful policies enacted or the toxic environment created by the party you support before you decide you can't support it anymore and so leave or protest.
Take the Cons, for example. I don't believe Islamophobia is deeply entrenched in the party, starting with Theresa May, the leader, although of course I accept there will be Islamophobic Cons party members.
It seems that you feel the same way with AS and Labour/Corbyn. That's fine, albeit many in your own party think differently.
Looking again at the impact of anti-Semitism in politics, the swing to Labour in Chipping Barnet in 2017 was in line with the London average, so it was not an issue there (and this was also the part of Barnet where Labour performed best in the 2018 local elections).
In Harrow East, Hendon, and Finchley & Golders Green, the swing to Labour was 3-4% below the London average, enough to keep these three marginal seats in Conservative hands. In a hung Parliament, three seats can be crucial.
The introduction, yet again, of narrowly economic questions into the debate about Brexit shows that the political class still don’t get it. They still don’t get why people voted for Brexit. And this goes for politicos from across the political spectrum. The Corbynista left patronises the hell out of Brexit voters by saying that the real reason they voted Leave is because they are ‘hurting’ economically, they feel ‘left behind’, they are still sad and wounded by the fallout from the financial crisis of 2008 onwards. In short, the vote for Brexit was a confused and tragic cry for help, mostly for economic help, and it falls to the PhD-laden activists of the Corbyn set to decipher that cry and answer it. Supercilious much?
On the right too, and in pro-Remain circles, there is an obsession with the economic dimension of Brexit. What will it do to jobs? The amount of time lorries have to wait at Dover? Will we have to pay €7 to visit Europe post-Brexit? What about data-roaming charges when we’re holidaying in Spain? Have you thought about all of this, you dumb Brexiteers?! https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/theresa-mays-bung-shows-she-still-doesnt-understand-brexit/
Brendan O'Neill is correct, but there's a huge caveat.
If there is a recession - a real proper, serious recession - then the government and Brexit will get the blame. Yeah, sure, a lot people might say "those damn EUites caused it..."
But that's going to be cold comfort to people who lost their job or their home. It's easy to care about sovereignty when the mortgage is paid, and the difficult question is about where the next family holiday will be.
Brendan O'Neill isn't correct - sovereignty in a world were Labour controls everything isn't that important. For a lot of people all they want is the next additional bit of free money is coming from, that is what the bus with the £350m a week offered them, and why it worked so well. Once they know it's not true they will be annoyed but nowt will change.
If remain want to win they need to show that the EU gives more to poorer regions than the Government will. And today's announcement does that they just need to ensure the message gets through.
The introduction, yet again, of narrowly economic questions into the debate about Brexit shows that the political class still don’t get it. They still don’t get why people voted for Brexit. And this goes for politicos from across the political spectrum. The Corbynista left patronises the hell out of Brexit voters by saying that the real reason they voted Leave is because they are ‘hurting’ economically, they feel ‘left behind’, they are still sad and wounded by the fallout from the financial crisis of 2008 onwards. In short, the vote for Brexit was a confused and tragic cry for help, mostly for economic help, and it falls to the PhD-laden activists of the Corbyn set to decipher that cry and answer it. Supercilious much?
On the right too, and in pro-Remain circles, there is an obsession with the economic dimension of Brexit. What will it do to jobs? The amount of time lorries have to wait at Dover? Will we have to pay €7 to visit Europe post-Brexit? What about data-roaming charges when we’re holidaying in Spain? Have you thought about all of this, you dumb Brexiteers?! https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/theresa-mays-bung-shows-she-still-doesnt-understand-brexit/
Brendan O'Neill is correct, but there's a huge caveat.
If there is a recession - a real proper, serious recession - then the government and Brexit will get the blame. Yeah, sure, a lot people might say "those damn EUites caused it..."
But that's going to be cold comfort to people who lost their job or their home. It's easy to care about sovereignty when the mortgage is paid, and the difficult question is about where the next family holiday will be.
Brendan O'Neill isn't correct - sovereignty in a world were Labour controls everything isn't that important. For a lot of people all they want is the next additional bit of free money is coming from (that is what the bus with the £350m a week offered them) and why it worked so well. Once they know it's not true they will be annoyed but nowt will change.
If remain want to win they need to show that the EU gives more to poorer regions than the Government will. And today's announcement does that they just need to ensure the message gets through.
As it happens, they got the £350m a week for the NHS, although they won't notice it as it will just be swallowed up.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Why should I be facing upto anti semitism . I’m not anti Semitic and think the vast majority of Labour supporters and members are in the same boat . I have an issue just with the Israeli government policies , no problem at all with Israel or Jewish people.
I suppose it depends upon where you draw the line on compromise for hateful policies enacted or the toxic environment created by the party you support before you decide you can't support it anymore and so leave or protest.
Take the Cons, for example. I don't believe Islamophobia is deeply entrenched in the party, starting with Theresa May, the leader, although of course I accept there will be Islamophobic Cons party members.
It seems that you feel the same way with AS and Labour/Corbyn. That's fine, albeit many in your own party think differently.
I’m not a fan of Corbyn . I think he’s useless and needs to go . It’s clear that since he’s become leader some elements have seen it as a green light to spew bile . I really don’t know why some in here think I’m defending Corbyn . I can’t stand him . However I don’t like the way Labour is being portrayed as some racist anti Semitic party. There are some horrible elements in all parties .
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
How long before we learn that those emails have accidentally been lost and removed from all archives?
You cannot delete emails permanently. They will be on a server somewhere. I have the names of various companies that can do this for a fee.
Quite why Charlie Falconer (who I know and have worked with) wants to get involved with this shit show, God only knows. The only way to do this with any sort of integrity and not risk ruining your reputation is to have the entire complaints process run by an entirely independent team, with total access to all necessary documentation, using an independent IT team and a disciplinary panel consisting of independent people with no actual or potential conflicts of interest.
Plus an agreement that the decisions on disciplinary proceedings are accepted by the party.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Why should I be facing upto anti semitism . I’m not anti Semitic and think the vast majority of Labour supporters and members are in the same boat . I have an issue just with the Israeli government policies , no problem at all with Israel or Jewish people.
I suppose it depends upon where you draw the line on compromise for hateful policies enacted or the toxic environment created by the party you support before you decide you can't support it anymore and so leave or protest.
Take the Cons, for example. I don't believe Islamophobia is deeply entrenched in the party, starting with Theresa May, the leader, although of course I accept there will be Islamophobic Cons party members.
It seems that you feel the same way with AS and Labour/Corbyn. That's fine, albeit many in your own party think differently.
I’m not a fan of Corbyn . I think he’s useless and needs to go . It’s clear that since he’s become leader some elements have seen it as a green light to spew bile . I really don’t know why some in here think I’m defending Corbyn . I can’t stand him . However I don’t like the way Labour is being portrayed as some racist anti Semitic party. There are some horrible elements in all parties .
I think you can't remove Corbyn from Labour in the debate. He was popularly and overwhelmingly elected by the membership and his stamp is increasingly all over the party. It is becoming very difficult to say you support Labour but dislike Corbyn as Corbyn's values are becoming Labour's.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
How long before we learn that those emails have accidentally been lost and removed from all archives?
You cannot delete emails permanently. They will be on a server somewhere. I have the names of various companies that can do this for a fee.
Quite why Charlie Falconer (who I know and have worked with) wants to get involved with this shit show, God only knows. The only way to do this with any sort of integrity and not risk ruining your reputation is to have the entire complaints process run by an entirely independent team, with total access to all necessary documentation, using an independent IT team and a disciplinary panel consisting of independent people with no actual or potential conflicts of interest.
Plus an agreement that the decisions on disciplinary proceedings are accepted by the party.
To be fair, this is very advanced from Labour, and shows they have learned from previous scandals.
You can't be accused of undermining the integrity of your independent investigator by giving them a Labour peerage if they've already got one.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
How long before we learn that those emails have accidentally been lost and removed from all archives?
You cannot delete emails permanently. They will be on a server somewhere. I have the names of various companies that can do this for a fee.
Quite why Charlie Falconer (who I know and have worked with) wants to get involved with this shit show, God only knows. The only way to do this with any sort of integrity and not risk ruining your reputation is to have the entire complaints process run by an entirely independent team, with total access to all necessary documentation, using an independent IT team and a disciplinary panel consisting of independent people with no actual or potential conflicts of interest.
Plus an agreement that the decisions on disciplinary proceedings are accepted by the party.
“Sorting out” being a euphemism for “shredding” I assume.
Are there legal implications for shredding this sort of thing? IANAL.
Depends on what is bring shredded. Remember that there is a current police investigation into a number of anti-semitic allegations within Labour. Shredding any potentially relevant documents could be very problematic in those cases.
But shredding only helps if a paper document is the only record. Unlikely I’d have thought.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
I'm sure it's just a coincidence you are using the same lines to take as another poster then.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than set up two accounts ! And it’s hardly surprising that others might be as bored of the Labour anti Semitism row as I am .
I never suggested you have 2 accounts.
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
Why should I be facing upto anti semitism . I’m not anti Semitic and think the vast majority of Labour supporters and members are in the same boat . I have an issue just with the Israeli government policies , no problem at all with Israel or Jewish people.
I suppose it depends upon where you draw the line on compromise for hateful policies enacted or the toxic environment created by the party you support before you decide you can't support it anymore and so leave or protest.
Take the Cons, for example. I don't believe Islamophobia is deeply entrenched in the party, starting with Theresa May, the leader, although of course I accept there will be Islamophobic Cons party members.
It seems that you feel the same way with AS and Labour/Corbyn. That's fine, albeit many in your own party think differently.
I’m not a fan of Corbyn . I think he’s useless and needs to go . It’s clear that since he’s become leader some elements have seen it as a green light to spew bile . I really don’t know why some in here think I’m defending Corbyn . I can’t stand him . However I don’t like the way Labour is being portrayed as some racist anti Semitic party. There are some horrible elements in all parties .
I think you can't remove Corbyn from Labour in the debate. He was popularly and overwhelmingly elected by the membership and his stamp is increasingly all over the party. It is becoming very difficult to say you support Labour but dislike Corbyn as Corbyn's values are becoming Labour's.
“Sorting out” being a euphemism for “shredding” I assume.
Are there legal implications for shredding this sort of thing? IANAL.
Depends on what is bring shredded. Remember that there is a current police investigation into a number of anti-semitic allegations within Labour. Shredding any potentially relevant documents could be very problematic in those cases.
But shredding only helps if a paper document is the only record. Unlikely I’d have thought.
Hang on, I thought the shredding thing was a joke! Is there actually serious suggestion this is occurring?
Seems slightly more likely that they're just running round like headless chickens trying to find all the files and make it look like they had a proper system in place for the past year or so. Surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to start destroying evidence now?
Yeah, they could actually be shredding stuff, I suppose.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
How long before we learn that those emails have accidentally been lost and removed from all archives?
You cannot delete emails permanently. They will be on a server somewhere. I have the names of various companies that can do this for a fee.
Quite why Charlie Falconer (who I know and have worked with) wants to get involved with this shit show, God only knows. The only way to do this with any sort of integrity and not risk ruining your reputation is to have the entire complaints process run by an entirely independent team, with total access to all necessary documentation, using an independent IT team and a disciplinary panel consisting of independent people with no actual or potential conflicts of interest.
Plus an agreement that the decisions on disciplinary proceedings are accepted by the party.
Well quite. It sounds as if they appointed Falconer, without realising that he was going to actually do the job properly and demand admin access to the email server!
I’m not a fan of Corbyn . I think he’s useless and needs to go . It’s clear that since he’s become leader some elements have seen it as a green light to spew bile . I really don’t know why some in here think I’m defending Corbyn . I can’t stand him . However I don’t like the way Labour is being portrayed as some racist anti Semitic party. There are some horrible elements in all parties .
But even if they are there, these "horrible elements" aren't in power in other parties.
Labour deserves every single turd being dropped on it.
Sorry but that is unacceptable. I dislike ERG with a passion but to compare them to ISIS is hysterical
It's a joke. One of the comparisons is "they both breed stupidity". No one is actually, really, suggesting that the ERG are like a mediaeval death cult.
“Sorting out” being a euphemism for “shredding” I assume.
Are there legal implications for shredding this sort of thing? IANAL.
Depends on what is bring shredded. Remember that there is a current police investigation into a number of anti-semitic allegations within Labour. Shredding any potentially relevant documents could be very problematic in those cases.
But shredding only helps if a paper document is the only record. Unlikely I’d have thought.
Hang on, I thought the shredding thing was a joke! Is there actually serious suggestion this is occurring?
Seems slightly more likely that they're just running round like headless chickens trying to find all the files and make it look like they had a proper system in place for the past year or so. Surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to start destroying evidence now?
Yeah, they could actually be shredding stuff, I suppose.
Considering the original source of this conversation is Dan Hodges and he didn't even say shredding the sensible money is on no...
Sorry but that is unacceptable. I dislike ERG with a passion but to compare them to ISIS is hysterical
It's a joke. One of the comparisons is "they both breed stupidity". No one is actually, really, suggesting that the ERG are like a mediaeval death cult.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
woof woof - there he is; Corbyn's anti-semitism is discussed on PB and up pops @TheJezziah.
The intersting thing about this is not the content of the article, which is in poor taste as Mr G has said, but the fact that the Mirror has published it. The Mirror has tended to play down its support for Remain, conscious that it is out of step with its readers on this, so the fact that it has decided to go with such an outspoken attack on the architects of Leave is significant and shows the way the wind is blowing.
Do not be alarmed. False reports spread by rumour-mongering wreckers that administrative staff have been seen running around screaming, "Oh, God! Woe! We're going to Hell!" are entirely fictitious.
These lying traitors have twisted the simple truth. Whilst celebrating the Supreme Leader's arrival and basking in his benevolent presence, some workers were overwhelmed with jubilation, as one might expect. They therefore shouted for joy, spontaneously and of their own accord crying out, "Oh, good! Woo! We're going to Hull!" [in anticipation of the People's Chairman's Tour of Britain].
“Sorting out” being a euphemism for “shredding” I assume.
Are there legal implications for shredding this sort of thing? IANAL.
Depends on what is bring shredded. Remember that there is a current police investigation into a number of anti-semitic allegations within Labour. Shredding any potentially relevant documents could be very problematic in those cases.
But shredding only helps if a paper document is the only record. Unlikely I’d have thought.
Hang on, I thought the shredding thing was a joke! Is there actually serious suggestion this is occurring?
Seems slightly more likely that they're just running round like headless chickens trying to find all the files and make it look like they had a proper system in place for the past year or so. Surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to start destroying evidence now?
Yeah, they could actually be shredding stuff, I suppose.
When people panic - and I 100% guarantee you that people are panicking right now at Labour HQ because unless you really know how to deal with this stuff (investigations), panic is the inevitable reaction of anyone facing a serious problem, let alone a crisis - they tend to do stupid things.
Do not be alarmed. False reports spread by rumour-mongering wreckers that administrative staff have been seen running around screaming, "Oh, God! Woe! We're going to Hell!" are entirely fictitious.
These lying traitors have twisted the simple truth. Whilst celebrating the Supreme Leader's arrival and basking in his benevolent presence, some workers were overwhelmed with jubilation, as one might expect. They therefore shouted for joy, spontaneously and of their own accord crying out, "Oh, good! Woo! We're going to Hull!" [in anticipation of the People's Chairman's Tour of Britain].
Just had my second e mail from TIG. A bit amateurish but pleasant enough but concentrating on achieving a referendum
After brexit they need to be able to appeal to all in the centre, remainers and leavers, but it is fascinating to watch their attempts
Mind you, following the toxicity of todays Corbyn and inner circle, Tom Watson marching 100 mps into TIG would be a game changer and exhaust the supply of popcorn overnight
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
woof woof - there he is; Corbyn's anti-semitism is discussed on PB and up pops @TheJezziah.
There's clearly a Batsignal in the shape of the hammer and sickle which goes up.
Not really I don’t support Corbyn but the media have cremated this now . Still waiting for the media to discuss the Islamophobia amongst the Tory party .
Clearly one of those troublesome types who think discrimination against Muslims is somehow equal to discrimination against other groups.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
woof woof - there he is; Corbyn's anti-semitism is discussed on PB and up pops @TheJezziah.
Conservatives and Islamophobia mentioned and who else but Topping with the whataboutery train..
If your fine with those kind of values and want to support them with your vote that's your decision to make... just might make your usual whining look a little hypocritical.
Just had my second e mail from TIG. A bit amateurish but pleasant enough but concentrating on achieving a referendum
After brexit they need to be able to appeal to all in the centre, remainers and leavers, but it is fascinating to watch their attempts
Mind you, following the toxicity of todays Corbyn and inner circle, Tom Watson marching 100 mps into TIG would be a game changer and exhaust the supply of popcorn overnight
One tries not to get cross over anything one reads in the newspapers; however, I was more than a little miffed after having read the following gem from today's Guardian:
"A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.
"Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.
"On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number."
...
"Parents have been protesting outside the Saltley school, which is rated as outstanding by Ofsted. At one protest they held signs that read “say no to promoting of homosexuality and LGBT ways of life to our children”, “stop exploiting children’s innocence”, and “education not indoctrination”."
(Briefly, the piece then goes on to quote a parent saying, effectively, 'I'm not a homophobe BUT...' and to relate how the school swiftly capitulated to their blackmail.)
To its credit, this was actually put up somewhere quite easy to find on the Guardian website, although I think we may be waiting some considerable time for one of their rapier-witted team of opinion writers to stop wetting their pants over Brexit for five seconds and condemn this blatant instance of religiously-motivated homophobia. I can't, for one moment, imagine why...
Still, at least it's a valuable lesson to us gays when something like this happens every so often. It reminds us that any and all forms of bigotry may be deployed against us - provided that they can be justified by somebody's interpretation of a collection of ancient myths authored at some point prior to AD700 (e.g. the Bible, the Quran, the Ancient Canticles of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or whatever the fuck else) - and that we should remember to know our place and never get too uppity.*
*Point of clarification: I am actually properly, fucking pissed off with this whole situation. I think the root problem is that us gays are just too nice for our own good (much like the Jews actually: is it really such a coincidence that old Adolf sent both them and us the same way up a chimney? But I digress...) If gays issued faggot-wahs against people and blew themselves up on public transport every time they got angry about shit - rather then organising an inclusive and welcoming LGBTQIA+ pride carnival, or perhaps sending Peter Tatchell and an elite strike team of half-a-dozen placard-waving queers to stage a non-violent protest if we felt REALLY upset - then people would treat us with a bit more fucking respect?
(EDIT: NO - I'm not actually advocating the deployment of homo-suicide squads.)
A second friendly email from TIG arrives. Say they already have lots of support, and claiming credit for the changed stances of both main parties. They are planning "a national programme of events to bring people together to discuss the huge issues our country faces". Asking for help getting more people to sign up, and promising more info later this week.
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Do not be alarmed! The Glorious Helmsman is safe and sound, despite the ovarian assault aimed at him by the agents of the capitalist pigdogs. The small plume of smoke is no cause for concern. Delighted by the Supreme Leader's continuing good health, members of the Inner Party enthusiastically and spontaneously held a party for the People's Chairman, including the traditional worker's custom of burning unnecessary paperwork that was due to be shredded in any event.
Never let it be said that the Tribunes of the People do not know how to embrace festivities!
A theme develops......
You mention it is getting traction in the media. Not here in Maryland, it isn't.
I can see its attractions to improve voter turnout - under the current system, if you're a Republican in all but one congressional district in MD, there is little point in voting, and the same is true for Democrats in much of the Deep South. Moving to a system where the national popular vote counted for something would give reason for the voters of the losing side in deep red and deep blue states to get out and vote.
https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1102609633141841920
It will undermine Corbyn, embolden opposition within Labour, reduce the influence of Momentum, and push more MPs in the direction of the TIGgers.
What's not to enjoy!?
https://labourlist.org/2019/03/labour-left-sweeps-the-london-regional-board/
That would be nice
If your bored of facing up to anti semitism then I have nothing more to say to you.
https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/1102610685278720000
1. Texas flips in 2020, and the Republicans edge the national vote while losing the electoral college. Suddenly, there is real fear in the Republican party that there will be tens of millions of wasted votes in the state.
2. The Democrats in 2020 and 2024 run up ever increasing vote margins, but it doesn't translate into power. I'm not talking about 3% wins, I'm talking about a 10% difference. At this point, it feels to California like the East and West Pakistan situation. Secession - which seems very unlikely right now - could raise its head, forcing a change.
Are you sure you're in the right place.
Oh but you said you were waiting for the media to discuss the Cons' Islamophobia. So make up your mind, are you interested or not interested in this sort of thing?
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1102613504505376769
If there is a recession - a real proper, serious recession - then the government and Brexit will get the blame. Yeah, sure, a lot people might say "those damn EUites caused it..."
But that's going to be cold comfort to people who lost their job or their home. It's easy to care about sovereignty when the mortgage is paid, and the difficult question is about where the next family holiday will be.
If you are just looking for lines to take about this, I'd go with "Anne Frank had it coming anyway."
Shady as **** I'd call it..
Take the Cons, for example. I don't believe Islamophobia is deeply entrenched in the party, starting with Theresa May, the leader, although of course I accept there will be Islamophobic Cons party members.
It seems that you feel the same way with AS and Labour/Corbyn. That's fine, albeit many in your own party think differently.
Looking again at the impact of anti-Semitism in politics, the swing to Labour in Chipping Barnet in 2017 was in line with the London average, so it was not an issue there (and this was also the part of Barnet where Labour performed best in the 2018 local elections).
In Harrow East, Hendon, and Finchley & Golders Green, the swing to Labour was 3-4% below the London average, enough to keep these three marginal seats in Conservative hands. In a hung Parliament, three seats can be crucial.
If remain want to win they need to show that the EU gives more to poorer regions than the Government will. And today's announcement does that they just need to ensure the message gets through.
Quite why Charlie Falconer (who I know and have worked with) wants to get involved with this shit show, God only knows. The only way to do this with any sort of integrity and not risk ruining your reputation is to have the entire complaints process run by an entirely independent team, with total access to all necessary documentation, using an independent IT team and a disciplinary panel consisting of independent people with no actual or potential conflicts of interest.
Plus an agreement that the decisions on disciplinary proceedings are accepted by the party.
https://twitter.com/IAStartingLine/status/1102580289199587328
You can't be accused of undermining the integrity of your independent investigator by giving them a Labour peerage if they've already got one.
But shredding only helps if a paper document is the only record. Unlikely I’d have thought.
Seems slightly more likely that they're just running round like headless chickens trying to find all the files and make it look like they had a proper system in place for the past year or so. Surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to start destroying evidence now?
Yeah, they could actually be shredding stuff, I suppose.
The Conservatives on PB will correct that thinking for you...
Labour deserves every single turd being dropped on it.
https://twitter.com/damian_from/status/1102597305264410631
Do not be alarmed. False reports spread by rumour-mongering wreckers that administrative staff have been seen running around screaming, "Oh, God! Woe! We're going to Hell!" are entirely fictitious.
These lying traitors have twisted the simple truth. Whilst celebrating the Supreme Leader's arrival and basking in his benevolent presence, some workers were overwhelmed with jubilation, as one might expect. They therefore shouted for joy, spontaneously and of their own accord crying out, "Oh, good! Woo! We're going to Hull!" [in anticipation of the People's Chairman's Tour of Britain].
At best, it says "I am a self-important wanker".
After brexit they need to be able to appeal to all in the centre, remainers and leavers, but it is fascinating to watch their attempts
Mind you, following the toxicity of todays Corbyn and inner circle, Tom Watson marching 100 mps into TIG would be a game changer and exhaust the supply of popcorn overnight
If your fine with those kind of values and want to support them with your vote that's your decision to make... just might make your usual whining look a little hypocritical.
That or:
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/1102606077441593346
"A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.
"Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.
"On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number."
...
"Parents have been protesting outside the Saltley school, which is rated as outstanding by Ofsted. At one protest they held signs that read “say no to promoting of homosexuality and LGBT ways of life to our children”, “stop exploiting children’s innocence”, and “education not indoctrination”."
(Briefly, the piece then goes on to quote a parent saying, effectively, 'I'm not a homophobe BUT...' and to relate how the school swiftly capitulated to their blackmail.)
To its credit, this was actually put up somewhere quite easy to find on the Guardian website, although I think we may be waiting some considerable time for one of their rapier-witted team of opinion writers to stop wetting their pants over Brexit for five seconds and condemn this blatant instance of religiously-motivated homophobia. I can't, for one moment, imagine why...
Still, at least it's a valuable lesson to us gays when something like this happens every so often. It reminds us that any and all forms of bigotry may be deployed against us - provided that they can be justified by somebody's interpretation of a collection of ancient myths authored at some point prior to AD700 (e.g. the Bible, the Quran, the Ancient Canticles of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or whatever the fuck else) - and that we should remember to know our place and never get too uppity.*
*Point of clarification: I am actually properly, fucking pissed off with this whole situation. I think the root problem is that us gays are just too nice for our own good (much like the Jews actually: is it really such a coincidence that old Adolf sent both them and us the same way up a chimney? But I digress...) If gays issued faggot-wahs against people and blew themselves up on public transport every time they got angry about shit - rather then organising an inclusive and welcoming LGBTQIA+ pride carnival, or perhaps sending Peter Tatchell and an elite strike team of half-a-dozen placard-waving queers to stage a non-violent protest if we felt REALLY upset - then people would treat us with a bit more fucking respect?
(EDIT: NO - I'm not actually advocating the deployment of homo-suicide squads.)