I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
Sometimes you have to stop sitting on the fence and take sides. And the way to defeat antisemitism is by providing solifarity with its victims. And the way to stop batshit crazyism is to do a Gordon Brown and do a deal with Lord Mandymort. If its good enough for Tom Watson its good enough for me.
To be clear, if the givernment collapses and we have yet another General Election I'm out seeking a Corbyn win. Beggars can't be choosers. But i can aspire for better than Jezbollah and his Kali Ma loons
You hate Palestinians now,
LFI is a disgrace IMO.
Hopefully all LFI MPs will have been deselected by next GE
Says someone who appears to have fallen victim to the Black Sleep of the Kali Ma (@philip_thompson just like the Thugee crazies in Indiana Jones, the Corbyn Ultras appear to have imbibed bonkers juice)
I support a Two State Solution - as does the Labour Party according to our policy. I want a just solution and a viable state for the Palestinians. I also want a peaceful secure Israel. Neither of those things will happen whilst we have the disgrace that is the Netanyahu government. Nor will they happen whilst Hamas continues to shell Israeli towns like Sderot.
Gaza specifically needs an international solution, LFI is calling for exactly that through the creation of a new port. Nor is the "prison camp" just an Israeli issue - the Egyptian border is also closed yet I don't hear screaming denunciations about them, only Israel.
LFI is nothing but a well-funded entryist front solely intended to promote the interests of a violent, expansionist and aggressive foreign state IMO.
Joan Ryan was caught by an undercover Al Jazeera investigation fabricating allegations of anti-Semitism against a party member who questioned Israel’s settlements in the occupied West Bank.
LFI seem to see their role as amplifying the worst extreme right-wing Zionist propaganda by the Likud government and blaming innocents for their own slaughter by the IDF
Yep Likud is dreadful. All those terrorist attacks in Tunisia.
You certainly know who your friends are, eh, BJO.
i've noticed on the subject of Israel your posts change in style and become sixth form sarcastic. Does something about Israel bring out the sneerer in you?
This website would never break an embargo, would it?
Not deliberately.
They only time PB has broken an embargo was
1) By accident when Mike pressed publish instead of save to draft.
2) When a pollster sent an embargoed poll but only mentioned it was embargoed in small letters at the bottom of a lengthy email.
Every pollster/commissioner of poll who sends us an embargoed poll tells us in the subject header and in BIG BOLD LETTERS at the start of the email.
Something like this
Subject header: EMBARGOED RELEASE: Conservatives lead Labour by x points - ComRes / Sunday Mirror / Independent poll
First line of email
***EMBARGOED UNTIL 1800 HRS 27 MAY 2017***
MUST CREDIT COMRES / SUNDAY MIRROR / INDEPENDENT
That's not true. Mike once did it deliberately and made a big point about how it was right that he did it because such information was market sensitive. He changed his mind subsequently.
I imagine someone has already made this point, but Farage and Field have similarities. I disagree with them both, but I do have some respect for their positions.
To the very limited extent I was aware of Corbyn prior to his leadership bid I don't think I'd have ever said that about him.
Farage should be Sir Nigel. He's done extraordinary things. Lord Farage if Brexit proves a success I guess. He is the most important politician since Maggie. Just edges Blair in my view.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long before a judgment is made? Who makes the judgment and on what basis?
I suspect that we will see retribution on the Brexiteers at the next GE. I expect the tarring and feathering to be metaphoric rather than literal.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upper middle class Remainer who still does not understand why they lost the referendum
It's well known in politics that there is little credit for being right but a lot of downside if you are seen to be wrong. Whatever ones personal view of Brexit it would be remarkable if nothing went wrong and therefore the political risks are very clear.
Doesn't it also rather depend on how the rump EU is getting on?
But you're jumping to the end, there, and judgements about relative economic performance. Which will be important, but probably not that important politically, given the timescale. Remember Black Wednesday, which hit Tory economic credibility for the best part of a decade thereafter, despite turning out if anything to be economically positive. What matters in the short term is how competently the implementation goes, whether any of the "chaos warnings" actually comes to pass, and a whole load of bread an butter stuff like whether pet passports remain valid, whether tourists get reciprocal healthcare, queues at airports, the price of food, whether the NHS gets loads of money, etc.
I'm jumping nowhere unlike some. "Getting on" embraces whatever anyone wants it to embrace and, judging by present media reporting, economically we're in the shit already 'cos of Brexit, but no one's manning the barricades.
So far the only impact people will have noticed is that, for those holidaying abroad, everything is a lot more expensive. Everything else is off the radar or in the roundings. So far.
I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
Sometimes you have to stop sitting on the fence and take sides. And the way to defeat antisemitism is by providing solifarity with its victims. And the way to stop batshit crazyism is to do a Gordon Brown and do a deal with Lord Mandymort. If its good enough for Tom Watson its good enough for me.
To be clear, if the givernment collapses and we have yet another General Election I'm out seeking a Corbyn win. Beggars can't be choosers. But i can aspire for better than Jezbollah and his Kali Ma loons
You hate Palestinians now,
LFI is a disgrace IMO.
Hopefully all LFI MPs will have been deselected by next GE
Says someone who appears to have fallen victim to the Black Sleep of the Kali Ma (@philip_thompson just like the Thugee crazies in Indiana Jones, the Corbyn Ultras appear to have imbibed bonkers juice)
I support a Two State Solution - as does the Labour Party according to our policy. I want a just solution and a viable state for the Palestinians. I also want a peaceful secure Israel. Neither of those things will happen whilst we have the disgrace that is the Netanyahu government. Nor will they happen whilst Hamas continues to shell Israeli towns like Sderot.
Gaza specifically needs an international solution, LFI is calling for exactly that through the creation of a new port. Nor is the "prison camp" just an Israeli issue - the Egyptian border is also closed yet I don't hear screaming denunciations about them, only Israel.
LFI is nothing but a well-funded entryist front solely intended to promote the interests of a violent, expansionist and aggressive foreign state IMO.
Joan Ryan was caught by an undercover Al Jazeera investigation fabricating allegations of anti-Semitism against a party member who questioned Israel’s settlements in the occupied West Bank.
LFI seem to see their role as amplifying the worst extreme right-wing Zionist propaganda by the Likud government and blaming innocents for their own slaughter by the IDF
Yep Likud is dreadful. All those terrorist attacks in Tunisia.
You certainly know who your friends are, eh, BJO.
i've noticed on the subject of Israel your posts change in style and become sixth form sarcastic. Does something about Israel bring out the sneerer in you?
I think it must be Stockholm Syndrome for my man BJO.
I imagine someone has already made this point, but Farage and Field have similarities. I disagree with them both, but I do have some respect for their positions.
To the very limited extent I was aware of Corbyn prior to his leadership bid I don't think I'd have ever said that about him.
Farage should be Sir Nigel. He's done extraordinary things. Lord Farage if Brexit proves a success I guess. He is the most important politician since Maggie. Just edges Blair in my view.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long asis?
I susp.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting Leave:
1. The principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK
2. Voting to leave offered the best chance to regain control over immigration and its borders.
3. Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.
So sovereignty and immigration top for Leavers.
Only just over one in twenty Leavers (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”
Remainers top 3 reasons for voting Remain:
1. The risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices.
2. Access to the EU single market, while out of the Euro and no-borders areas, giving best of both worlds.
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Be grateful you don't work at the ONS and have to ensure that no journalists publish the GDP figures early. When I was there they had a big investigation after a journo managed to put his piece out six seconds early.
I imagine someone has already made this point, but Farage and Field have similarities. I disagree with them both, but I do have some respect for their positions.
To the very limited extent I was aware of Corbyn prior to his leadership bid I don't think I'd have ever said that about him.
Farage should be Sir Nigel. He's done extraordinary things. Lord Farage if Brexit proves a success I guess. He is the most important politician since Maggie. Just edges Blair in my view.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long before a judgment is made? Who makes the judgment and on what basis?
I suspect that we will see retribution on the Brexiteers at the next GE. I expect the tarring and feathering to be metaphoric rather than literal.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upper middle class Remainer who still does not understand why they lost the referendum
It's well known in politics that there is little credit for being right but a lot of downside if you are seen to be wrong. Whatever ones personal view of Brexit it would be remarkable if nothing went wrong and therefore the political risks are very clear.
Doesn't it also rather depend on how the rump EU is getting on?
But you're jumping to the end, there, and judgements about relative economic performance. Which will be important, but probably not that important politically, given the timescale. Remember Black Wednesday, which hit Tory economic credibility for the best part of a decade thereafter, despite turning out if anything to be economically positive. What matters in the short term is how competently the implementation goes, whether any of the "chaos warnings" actually comes to pass, and a whole load of bread an butter stuff like whether pet passports remain valid, whether tourists get reciprocal healthcare, queues at airports, the price of food, whether the NHS gets loads of money, etc.
I'm jumping nowhere unlike some. "Getting on" embraces whatever anyone wants it to embrace and, judging by present media reporting, economically we're in the shit already 'cos of Brexit, but no one's manning the barricades.
So far the only impact people will have noticed is that, for those holidaying abroad, everything is a lot more expensive. Everything else is off the radar or in the roundings. So far.
This website would never break an embargo, would it?
Not deliberately.
They only time PB has broken an embargo was
1) By accident when Mike pressed publish instead of save to draft.
2) When a pollster sent an embargoed poll but only mentioned it was embargoed in small letters at the bottom of a lengthy email.
Every pollster/commissioner of poll who sends us an embargoed poll tells us in the subject header and in BIG BOLD LETTERS at the start of the email.
Something like this
Subject header: EMBARGOED RELEASE: Conservatives lead Labour by x points - ComRes / Sunday Mirror / Independent poll
First line of email
***EMBARGOED UNTIL 1800 HRS 27 MAY 2017***
MUST CREDIT COMRES / SUNDAY MIRROR / INDEPENDENT
That's not true. Mike once did it deliberately and made a big point about how it was right that he did it because such information was market sensitive. He changed his mind subsequently.
Wasn't that when someone else had broken the embargo and was profiting?
I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
Sometimes you have to stop sitting on the fence and take sides. And the way to defeat antisemitism is by providing solifarity with its victims. And the way to stop batshit crazyism is to do a Gordon Brown and do a deal with Lord Mandymort. If its good enough for Tom Watson its good enough for me.
To be clear, if the givernment collapses and we have yet another General Election I'm out seeking a Corbyn win. Beggars can't be choosers. But i can aspire for better than Jezbollah and his Kali Ma loons
You hate Palestinians now,
LFI is a disgrace IMO.
Hopefully all LFI MPs will have been deselected by next GE
Nick P used to be a member of LFI.
It is entirely possible to support both Israel and Palestine, indeed that is the very definition of a two state solution.
Yeah, I don't think it's fair for BJO to say being part of a Friends Of Israel group is inimical to (to use the cringeworthy phrase) "Labour values". To be fair, most of the LFI MPs have been very critical of the Netanyahu government.
Speaking personally, even as a general "Corbynista", I agree more with the moderate MPs on the Israel/Palestine issue than I do with Corbyn. But it doesn't particularly concern me, for two reasons:
(a) While I disagree with Corbyn's stance on Israel, I don't remotely see how it is born of anti-semitism, and think you'd have to be incredibly irrational and hysterical to say that it is. And I'm afraid I do now think most of the Labour MPs going on about this are opportunistically using this issue to get at Corbyn, rather than genuinely thinking it's about antisemitism;
(b) Let's face it, PM Corbyn's stance on Israel/Palestine would be academic, because no British government has had any impact on the issue for decades (hell, as Obama found, even the US struggles to have any impact on it these days).
If Field stands as an independent next time, he wins. He has a very large personal vote. And he is departing Labour for all the right reasons.
Power gets a bit further away with every departure the Corbyn Clowns cheer on......
No chance this is Liverpool you know.
He propped up the Tories.
You really don't have a clue
Fancy a bet
I think for health reasons, he won't stand. But if he does, yeah, we'll have a bet at the time.
Would be a pointless gesture. Labour would win that seat anyway. It would get him a nice payoff of course but I don't think he's particularly mercenary.
Blaenau Gwent, anybody?
Yes and with the present dissatisfaction with all parties and the wider political system, the climate for independents to prosper is as good as it's ever going to get. Martin bell, the independent Kidderminster hospital chap are other examples. The independent in east Devon got close to Hugo wretched swire at the last election as well.
How’s the sovereign debt crisis coming along? Scheduled for 1432 on 7 October 2017 wasn’t it?
Be grateful you don't work at the ONS and have to ensure that no journalists publish the GDP figures early. When I was there they had a big investigation after a journo managed to put his piece out six seconds early.
In my day job I have to worry about insider dealing and market manipulation.
The only time I've ever been worried was when I bet on the 2014 European Elections and within seconds I received an email with an embargoed poll.
Fortunately on closer inspection the polling contradicted my betting strategy.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long asis?
I susp.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting Leave:
1. The principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK
2. Voting to leave offered the best chance to regain control over immigration and its borders.
3. Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.
So sovereignty and immigration top for Leavers.
Only just over one in twenty Leavers (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”
Remainers top 3 reasons for voting Remain:
1. The risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices.
2. Access to the EU single market, while out of the Euro and no-borders areas, giving best of both worlds.
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. In a scenario where we have "sovereignty" to your satisfaction and immigration is zero, if the implementation of Brexit has been a mess, there are queues at the airports, lorries filling the M20, containing NHS crises, pet passports and E111s are invalid and a host of other cock ups, the £ is falling and the economy is in trouble, there will obviously be a political cost for the government. I cannot imagine any other poster would blindly quote an opinion poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
I imagine someone has already made this point, but Farage and Field have similarities. I disagree with them both, but I do have some respect for their positions.
To the very limited extent I was aware of Corbyn prior to his leadership bid I don't think I'd have ever said that about him.
Farage should be Sir Nigel. He's done extraordinary things. Lord Farage if Brexit proves a success I guess. He is the most important politician since Maggie. Just edges Blair in my view.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long before a judgment is made? Who makes the judgment and on what basis?
I suspect that we will see retribution on the Brexiteers at the next GE. I expect the tarring and feathering to be metaphoric rather than literal.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upper middle class Remainer who still does not understand why they lost the referendum
"understand" or "acknowledge"?
I understand and acknowledge, but that doesn't mean that the voters will like it, and they will blame the government.
Voters are notoriously fickle and unwilling to accept the blame themselves.
What's your record like as a soothsayer?
Not bad!
I make a decent profit on my political bets, though lose on my football bets apart from when I backed Leicester City for the tiltle at 2000/1.
I do well in most PB Prediction contests and have won on the London Elections one.
Amazing. Somebody thought Leicester had a 0.05% chance of winning the Premiership. Must have been an optimist calculating the odds!
More seriously, if you don't mind my asking, how much did they let you bet?
My mistake, the bet was 3000/1 £1 each way
I also had £5 on a CL place at 150/1
I did top up later in the season. In Dec it was 20/1 after Leicester had won 3/1 away at Man City, and evens for CL. We had been top for 6 weeks at that point.
The lesson I learned from this is that people are often unwilling to believe what the trend is telling them. I have usefully applied this a number of times since, including Jezza winning the leadership, and being bearish on a Tory majority in 2017.
I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
I can understand why you have done that but I think it sends the wrong message.
The solution to factionalism isn't more factionalism.
I did consider that. I have been a vocal critic of Progress as well. I concluded that (a) the factions are already well embedded (b) sitting in the middle isn't working and (c) the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
If Field stands as an independent next time, he wins. He has a very large personal vote. And he is departing Labour for all the right reasons.
Power gets a bit further away with every departure the Corbyn Clowns cheer on......
No chance this is Liverpool you know.
He propped up the Tories.
You really don't have a clue
Fancy a bet
I think for health reasons, he won't stand. But if he does, yeah, we'll have a bet at the time.
Would be a pointless gesture. Labour would win that seat anyway. It would get him a nice payoff of course but I don't think he's particularly mercenary.
Blaenau Gwent, anybody?
Yes and with the present dissatisfaction with all parties and the wider political system, the climate for independents to prosper is as good as it's ever going to get. Martin bell, the independent Kidderminster hospital chap are other examples. The independent in east Devon got close to Hugo wretched swire at the last election as well.
How’s the sovereign debt crisis coming along? Scheduled for 1432 on 7 October 2017 wasn’t it?
Surely it was 20th August 1786 at whatever time Louis woke up?
Having lambasted her photo-op arrangers, I might change my mind and say that if Theresa May is planning to stay beyond the next election, this is a CCHQ masterstroke to use far-off lands for May to learn spontaneity and public speaking.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long asis?
I susp.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting Leave:
1. The principle that decisions about the UK s from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”
Remainers top 3 reasons for voting Remain:
1. The risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices.
2. Access to the EU single market, while out of the Euro and no-borders areas, giving best of both worlds.
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. In a scenario where we have "sovereignty" to your satisfaction and immigration is zero, if the implementation of Brexit has been a mess, there are queues at the airports, lorries filling the M20, containing NHS crises, pet passports and E111s are invalid and a host of other cock ups, the £ is falling and the economy is in trouble, there will obviously be a political cost for the government. I cannot imagine any other poster would blindly quote an opinion poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
It is you forecasting economic armageddon not me (and greater control of immigration is not zero immigration) but the fact is any Brexit which does not regain sovereignty and end free movement as the poll shows is for most Leave voters no Brexit at all and disrespects their vote which won the referendum
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long asis?
I susp.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. In a scenario where we have "sovereignty" to your satisfaction and immigration is zero, if the implementation of Brexit has been a mess, there are queues at the airports, lorries filling the M20, containing NHS crises, pet passports and E111s are invalid and a host of other cock ups, the £ is falling and the economy is in trouble, there will obviously be a political cost for the government. I cannot imagine any other poster would blindly quote an opinion poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
It is you forecasting economic armaddeon not me but the fact is any Brexit which does not regain sovereignty and end free movement as the poll shows is for most Leave voters no Brexit at all and disrespects their vote which won the referendum
Which is a different point entirely from the one you made above in response to Foxy. And the forecasts you think I have made are in your imagination only. Quite honestly I can't see what is the point in trying to engage with you: you are either a troll, a moron, or in Upminster.
If however Brexit turns out to be a massive error, can we tar and feather him instead?
How long asis?
I susp.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. I poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
It is you forecasting economic armaddeon not me but the fact is any Brexit which does not regain sovereignty and end free movement as the poll shows is for most Leave voters no Brexit at all and disrespects their vote which won the referendum
Which is a different point entirely from the one you made above in response to Foxy. And the forecasts you think I have made are in your imagination only. Quite honestly I can't see what is the point in trying to engage with you: you are either a troll, a moron, or in Upminster.
No it wasn't, Foxy was saying that apparently the government respecting the will of 52% of the country to fulfil Brexit and regain sovereignty and reduce immigration would hit the government, precisely the opposite, it is failing to do so that would hit the government the most with the inevitable UKIP surge. However much you want to insult and throw your toys out of the pram those are the facts. As long as Brexit is delivered Leavers will not be tarring and feathering Brexiteers
This website would never break an embargo, would it?
Not deliberately.
They only time PB has broken an embargo was
1) By accident when Mike pressed publish instead of save to draft.
2) When a pollster sent an embargoed poll but only mentioned it was embargoed in small letters at the bottom of a lengthy email.
Every pollster/commissioner of poll who sends us an embargoed poll tells us in the subject header and in BIG BOLD LETTERS at the start of the email.
Something like this
Subject header: EMBARGOED RELEASE: Conservatives lead Labour by x points - ComRes / Sunday Mirror / Independent poll
First line of email
***EMBARGOED UNTIL 1800 HRS 27 MAY 2017***
MUST CREDIT COMRES / SUNDAY MIRROR / INDEPENDENT
That's not true. Mike once did it deliberately and made a big point about how it was right that he did it because such information was market sensitive. He changed his mind subsequently.
Wasn't that when someone else had broken the embargo and was profiting?
A breaking of an embargo that he didn't feel constrained by. Around that time he wrote a number of posts about how he strongly opposed embargoes and was glad he wasn't being given information because he felt it would have caused ethical problems.
Well the guys at BT are chuffed to buggery with Burnley getting knocked out.
Saves them a scheduling nightmare.
It’s a bit hard on Burnley fans. Place in a European competition achieved. Who do they get? Aberdeen! Win that and they get a Greek club. Which wouldn’t be as much fun as, say a Spanish or Portuguese one. Further to travel anyway.
This website would never break an embargo, would it?
Not deliberately.
They only time PB has broken an embargo was
1) By accident when Mike pressed publish instead of save to draft.
2) When a pollster sent an embargoed poll but only mentioned it was embargoed in small letters at the bottom of a lengthy email.
Every pollster/commissioner of poll who sends us an embargoed poll tells us in the subject header and in BIG BOLD LETTERS at the start of the email.
Something like this
Subject header: EMBARGOED RELEASE: Conservatives lead Labour by x points - ComRes / Sunday Mirror / Independent poll
First line of email
***EMBARGOED UNTIL 1800 HRS 27 MAY 2017***
MUST CREDIT COMRES / SUNDAY MIRROR / INDEPENDENT
That's not true. Mike once did it deliberately and made a big point about how it was right that he did it because such information was market sensitive. He changed his mind subsequently.
Wasn't that when someone else had broken the embargo and was profiting?
A breaking of an embargo that he didn't feel constrained by. Around that time he wrote a number of posts about how he strongly opposed embargoes and was glad he wasn't being given information because he felt it would have caused ethical problems.
See Mike wasn't given the embargo so he wasn't breaking an embargo.
It would be very bad form to deliberately break an embargo you've been asked to honour.
Spoken like a true liberal elite upt the referendum
Unless Brexit delivers better lives for the poor of the old coalfields, it will be judged a failure by the voters.
Nailed on IMO.
Most Leavers will judge Brexit a success if it regains sovereignty and reduces immigration even if you won't
The way you use the term "leavers" doesn't equate to than yours.
I voted Remain but respect democmigration according to every poll
By generalising so glibly about the desires and intentions of millions of people you just make yourself look foolish; you can't treat Leave voters as a bloc like that.
Not generalising at all the evidence backs it up.
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. I poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
It is you forecasting economic armaddeon not me but the fact is any Brexit which does not regain sovereignty and end free movement as the poll shows is for most Leave voters no Brexit at all and disrespects their vote which won the referendum
Which is a different point entirely from the one you made above in response to Foxy. And the forecasts you think I have made are in your imagination only. Quite honestly I can't see what is the point in trying to engage with you: you are either a troll, a moron, or in Upminster.
No it wasn't, Foxy was saying that apparently the government respecting the wi
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Well the guys at BT are chuffed to buggery with Burnley getting knocked out.
Saves them a scheduling nightmare.
It’s a bit hard on Burnley fans. Place in a European competition achieved. Who do they get? Aberdeen! Win that and they get a Greek club. Which wouldn’t be as much fun as, say a Spanish or Portuguese one. Further to travel anyway.
Right now they've got four British sides in the Europa Leagues and four channels to show the matches.
Well the guys at BT are chuffed to buggery with Burnley getting knocked out.
Saves them a scheduling nightmare.
It’s a bit hard on Burnley fans. Place in a European competition achieved. Who do they get? Aberdeen! Win that and they get a Greek club. Which wouldn’t be as much fun as, say a Spanish or Portuguese one. Further to travel anyway.
Right now they've got four British sides in the Europa Leagues and four channels to show the matches.
I’m sure Burnley fans are supremely unworried by BT’s problems.
Despite all that, you are still being an idiot. I poll and misuse its results to suggest otherwise.
It is you forecasting economic armaddeonwon the referendum
Which is a different point entirely fromu: you are either a troll, a moron, or in Upminster.
No it wasn't, Foxy was saying that apparently the government respecting the wi
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
If that was the case Labour would have a ten point lead post Chequers (which will be the basis of any deal) rather than being tied at best with the Tories.
No the vast majority of Tory voters back Brexit and are pleased the Tories are delivering it, the main losses for the Tories since 2017 have been to UKIP because Leavers don't think the government has been pro Brexit enough.
Your premise is also wrong, Singapore has an open economic system while also managing to keep proper control of all the immigrants it admits
I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
Sometimes you have to stop sitting on the fence and take sides. And the way to defeat antisemitism is by providing solifarity with its victims. And the way to stop batshit crazyism is to do a Gordon Brown and do a deal with Lord Mandymort. If its good enough for Tom Watson its good enough for me.
To be clear, if the givernment collapses and we have yet another General Election I'm out seeking a Corbyn win. Beggars can't be choosers. But i can aspire for better than Jezbollah and his Kali Ma loons
You hate Palestinians now,
LFI is a disgrace IMO.
Hopefully all LFI MPs will have been deselected by next GE
Nick P used to be a member of LFI.
It is entirely possible to support both Israel and Palestine, indeed that is the very definition of a two state solution.
My MP is in LFI and Lab Friends of Palestine
Not sure who he supported when Israel slaughtered the Palestinians at the border
I do know from LFI Tweets they were on the slaughterers side though
Who do you support when Hamas launches missiles into Israel residential areas? Who then is the "slaughterers side"?
I have decided to take firm action to be Tough on Corbyn and Tough on the Causes of Corbyn
1. I have joined Progress 2. I have joined Labour Friends of Israel
Sometimes you have to stop sitting on the fence and take sides. And the way to defeat antisemitism is by providing solifarity with its victims. And the way to stop batshit crazyism is to do a Gordon Brown and do a deal with Lord Mandymort. If its good enough for Tom Watson its good enough for me.
To be clear, if the givernment collapses and we have yet another General Election I'm out seeking a Corbyn win. Beggars can't be choosers. But i can aspire for better than Jezbollah and his Kali Ma loons
You hate Palestinians now,
LFI is a disgrace IMO.
Hopefully all LFI MPs will have been deselected by next GE
Nick P used to be a member of LFI.
It is entirely possible to support both Israel and Palestine, indeed that is the very definition of a two state solution.
My MP is in LFI and Lab Friends of Palestine
Not sure who he supported when Israel slaughtered the Palestinians at the border
I do know from LFI Tweets they were on the slaughterers side though
Who do you support when Hamas launches missiles into Israel residential areas? Who then is the "slaughterers side"?
Some of the biggest slaughters of Palestinians have been by their fellow Arabs, such as Sabra and Shatilla in 1982, and Black September in 1970.
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Remainers will get the blame for undermining the UK side.
I expect the electorate to be as grateful as it usually is to parties that make difficult decisions...
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Remainers will get the blame for undermining the UK side.
I expect the electorate to be as grateful as it usually is to parties that make difficult decisions...
The electorate were grateful to the Tories in 2015 for delivering austerity.
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Remainers will get the blame for undermining the UK side.
I expect the electorate to be as grateful as it usually is to parties that make difficult decisions...
The electorate were grateful to the Tories in 2015 for delivering austerity.
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Remainers will get the blame for undermining the UK side.
I expect the electorate to be as grateful as it usually is to parties that make difficult decisions...
The electorate were grateful to the Tories in 2015 for delivering austerity.
I expect the government to get blamed for Brexit, but also to be blamed if they didn't deliver.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
Remainers will get the blame for undermining the UK side.
I expect the electorate to be as grateful as it usually is to parties that make difficult decisions...
The electorate were grateful to the Tories in 2015 for delivering austerity.
The Tories, yes. The Lib Dems? Not so much.
The perfect storm of the Lib Dems acting like hostages during the coalition and Dave and George appealing to Lib Dems.
Why did Frank Field nominate Corbyn for a shot at the leadership then ?
He has known him for years Hardly kudos more like thick as pig shit.
I believe his stated reason was that all the other candidates were centrists and he believed that having a left wing voice in the contest was essential to get a range of views even though he didn't want Corbyn to win.
Which does not speak well to Field's judgement. Nominating people you don't want to win is frivolous.
Why did Frank Field nominate Corbyn for a shot at the leadership then ?
He has known him for years Hardly kudos more like thick as pig shit.
I believe his stated reason was that all the other candidates were centrists and he believed that having a left wing voice in the contest was essential to get a range of views even though he didn't want Corbyn to win.
Which does not speak well to Field's judgement. Nominating people you don't want to win is frivolous.
It had been done in recent elections and the far left voice always came last before now.
The hostile environment was a response to an electoral mandate. It seems to have been implemented badly....
It also predated her time at the Home Office. A substantial number of the scandalous cases which have emerged were under Labour, which was the government which brought in the requirements for proving entitlement to benefits and to work here. Oddly, Theresa May's critics never seem to mention this. It must be an honest oversight on their part, I guess.
Of the cases Javid apologised for, 2/3rds occurred under the Tory government. Previous administrations aren't innocent, but that's no reason for giving May a pass on doubling the severity of this scandal.
I don't think she did 'double the severity'. The number of cases per year looks fairly similar.
A better criticism would be that the coalition government should have noticed the cases that had been happening under Labour, and improved the administration accordingly. But of course that won't do as a criticism, because SHE'S A NASTY TORY DELIBERATELY WRECKING PEOPLE'S LIVES or some other such vile garbage.
12 cases in 8 years looks similar to 6 cases in 8 years?
Sorry, I'm missing something. 12 cases of what versus 6 cases of what? Explain, please?
Why did Frank Field nominate Corbyn for a shot at the leadership then ?
He has known him for years Hardly kudos more like thick as pig shit.
I believe his stated reason was that all the other candidates were centrists and he believed that having a left wing voice in the contest was essential to get a range of views even though he didn't want Corbyn to win.
Which does not speak well to Field's judgement. Nominating people you don't want to win is frivolous.
It had been done in recent elections and the far left voice always came last before now.
Wasn’t the problem that that had been under the old electoral college rules, rather than omov?
The hostile environment was a response to an electoral mandate. It seems to have been implemented badly....
It also predated her time at the Home Office. A substantial number of the scandalous cases which have emerged were under Labour, which was the government which brought in the requirements for proving entitlement to benefits and to work here. Oddly, Theresa May's critics never seem to mention this. It must be an honest oversight on their part, I guess.
Of the cases Javid apologised for, 2/3rds occurred under the Tory government. Previous administrations aren't innocent, but that's no reason for giving May a pass on doubling the severity of this scandal.
I don't think she did 'double the severity'. The number of cases per year looks fairly similar.
A better criticism would be that the coalition government should have noticed the cases that had been happening under Labour, and improved the administration accordingly. But of course that won't do as a criticism, because SHE'S A NASTY TORY DELIBERATELY WRECKING PEOPLE'S LIVES or some other such vile garbage.
12 cases in 8 years looks similar to 6 cases in 8 years?
Sorry, I'm missing something. 12 cases of what versus 6 cases of what? Explain, please?
Windrush - purile argument over who was more responsible between labour and conservatives and of course both were
Why did Frank Field nominate Corbyn for a shot at the leadership then ?
He has known him for years Hardly kudos more like thick as pig shit.
I believe his stated reason was that all the other candidates were centrists and he believed that having a left wing voice in the contest was essential to get a range of views even though he didn't want Corbyn to win.
Which does not speak well to Field's judgement. Nominating people you don't want to win is frivolous.
It had been done in recent elections and the far left voice always came last before now.
Wasn’t the problem that that had been under the old electoral college rules, rather than omov?
That's true. Diane Abbott was the left's candidate in 2010 and was eliminated first but would have been in third place of five in the first round last time on OMOV.
As part of the full thread it's a part of, no, its a realpolitik assessment of real life as they face it.
One of the reasons tweets are so dangerous: what are the chances that anyone that doesn’t like you will take the time to find and explain the context for what you tweeted?
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They only times PB has broken an embargo was
1) By accident when Mike pressed publish instead of save to draft.
2) When a pollster sent an embargoed poll but only mentioned it was embargoed in small letters at the bottom of a lengthy email.
Every pollster/commissioner of poll who sends us an embargoed poll tells us in the subject header and in BIG BOLD LETTERS at the start of the email.
Something like this
Subject header: EMBARGOED RELEASE: Conservatives lead Labour by x points - ComRes / Sunday Mirror / Independent poll
First line of email
***EMBARGOED UNTIL 1800 HRS 27 MAY 2017***
MUST CREDIT COMRES / SUNDAY MIRROR / INDEPENDENT
Edit: you also
I'm assuming autocorrect is playing tricks?
Leavers top 3 reasons for voting Leave:
1. The principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK
2. Voting to leave offered the best chance to regain control over immigration and its borders.
3. Remaining meant little or no choice about how the EU expanded its membership or powers.
So sovereignty and immigration top for Leavers.
Only just over one in twenty Leavers (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”
Remainers top 3 reasons for voting Remain:
1. The risks of voting to leave the EU looked too great when it came to things like the economy, jobs and prices.
2. Access to the EU single market, while out of the Euro and no-borders areas, giving best of both worlds.
3. A feeling that we would become more isolated by Leaving.
So the economy and access to the single market and internationalism top for Remainers.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
The solution to factionalism isn't more factionalism.
During the Indyref we were sent a poll around 2pm that had an embargo of midnight.
Around 6pm the pollster accidentally published the poll on their website and lots of people tweeted it.
Pollster pulled it from their website but eventually realised the horse had bolted.
Be grateful you don't work at the ONS and have to ensure that no journalists publish the GDP figures early. When I was there they had a big investigation after a journo managed to put his piece out six seconds early.
Speaking personally, even as a general "Corbynista", I agree more with the moderate MPs on the Israel/Palestine issue than I do with Corbyn. But it doesn't particularly concern me, for two reasons:
(a) While I disagree with Corbyn's stance on Israel, I don't remotely see how it is born of anti-semitism, and think you'd have to be incredibly irrational and hysterical to say that it is. And I'm afraid I do now think most of the Labour MPs going on about this are opportunistically using this issue to get at Corbyn, rather than genuinely thinking it's about antisemitism;
(b) Let's face it, PM Corbyn's stance on Israel/Palestine would be academic, because no British government has had any impact on the issue for decades (hell, as Obama found, even the US struggles to have any impact on it these days).
The only time I've ever been worried was when I bet on the 2014 European Elections and within seconds I received an email with an embargoed poll.
Fortunately on closer inspection the polling contradicted my betting strategy.
Saves them a scheduling nightmare.
I also had £5 on a CL place at 150/1
I did top up later in the season. In Dec it was 20/1 after Leicester had won 3/1 away at Man City, and evens for CL. We had been top for 6 weeks at that point.
The lesson I learned from this is that people are often unwilling to believe what the trend is telling them. I have usefully applied this a number of times since, including Jezza winning the leadership, and being bearish on a Tory majority in 2017.
https://labourlist.org/2018/08/frank-field-resigns-the-labour-whip/
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2007/12/01/yougov-has-clegg-leading-huhne-by-56-44/
A breaking of an embargo that he didn't feel constrained by. Around that time he wrote a number of posts about how he strongly opposed embargoes and was glad he wasn't being given information because he felt it would have caused ethical problems.
Win that and they get a Greek club. Which wouldn’t be as much fun as, say a Spanish or Portuguese one. Further to travel anyway.
It would be very bad form to deliberately break an embargo you've been asked to honour.
Voters are ungrateful, and bank the gains while moaning about the losses.
There is no form of Brexit that can deliver its promises. In part this is because the promises were fanciful, and in part because they are contradictory. A buccannering free market Brexit is not compatible with the economic protectionist vision, while Remainers would be passed off with either.
http://hurryupharry.org/2018/08/30/corbynista-andrew-murray-and-hezbollah/
No the vast majority of Tory voters back Brexit and are pleased the Tories are delivering it, the main losses for the Tories since 2017 have been to UKIP because Leavers don't think the government has been pro Brexit enough.
Your premise is also wrong, Singapore has an open economic system while also managing to keep proper control of all the immigrants it admits
http://www.lfi.org.uk/in-parliament/
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1035273752727232512
Too right.
Day one..........
https://twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/1035215256669364224?s=19
Top marks to her for ignoring the idiots.
Have I just put the mockers on her?
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1034849460344573952
That said, the current Israeli government are good at providing reasons to criticise them which don’t show one to be anti Semitic.
As part of the full thread it's a part of, no, its a realpolitik assessment of real life as they face it.