My Lib Dem friend in Sheffield Hallam says Clegg's a gonner.
Odd UKIP to Lab swing!
Our campaign completely failed to drag Labour into the same Hard Brexit box as us. Labour became an easy choice for remain voters and even soft Brexit UKIP/Tory Leavers voters.
The campaign was just horrible.
This is all the fault of Brexiters. It was totally avoidable.
Still, at least you're away from it all, eh?
Not really, it was May and her team who ran this shit campaign and who came out with these shit policies, but also who backed hard Brexit to win UKIP votes while others said go for centrist Brexit to win votes in the centre. She and her team take the blame for this failure.
LOL. What a poor attempt to absolve yourself.
You are insulated from this, and you've already pissed off. Some of us are not as lucky.
One thing we've learnt from all this is that some 'Conservative's are not 'conservative'.
Boris surely can't be Tory leader. If the Tories are getting smashed in London because of Brexit, electing the unofficial mascot of the Leave campaign ain't going to fly.
I wonder if Alastair Meeks had it right a few weeks ago. Tory manifesto should have been Brexit plus £350 million per week for the NHS, and not much else.
Come on guys. We are a very long way indeed from Corbyn PM. The maths just aren't there for Labour.
You said it wouldn't get to this point in the first place (as did I), soI think I'll go with what I see of the trend- Wales is underperforming for Con on the exit poll, safe seats are being turned into marginals in England, and while they'll hold some, they're losing a whole bunch more, and too many for SCON to make up for. Lab have allies in the SNP and LDs (or at least willing to deal), Con have no one to deal with but SUP.
Thus, Corbyn PM - May won't be able to pass a budget.
I think you've lost your marbles, Kle. I thought you were one of the sensible ones here.
Exit poll has Con on 314 - DUP gets them a passable budget. If they underperform that exit poll(and they appear to be in Wales), how do they pass one? No one else will deal with them.
Corbyn doesn't need most seats to be able to command a majority in the commons.
Cry wolf. Ed Miliband the Labour leader in 2015 had a broad range of policies that were not a million miles off of what Theresa May has in her SDP-Tory hybrid manifesto to bring onboard working class Labour voters. The press went after him as they have with every Labour leader forever (Except Blair) - Red Ed, mocking him for the way he ate, his late father being disgustingly attacked as a danger to the country and somehow this impacting on Miliband's standing himself. I also remember the Alex Salmond posters, not the ones portraying Ed in his pocket, but one in Broxtowe where he was shown as a burglar. He of course is nothing of the sort, and the advert for me crossed the line - however as the ASA can't regulate political advertising it could go through. SNIP But there is a problem. The buckets of slime that were poured over Ed Miliband's head in 2015 are being chucked by the same news outlets again at Corbyn. It looks like the same monstering even though the two crimes they commit are very different - one couldn't quite eat a bacon sandwich correctly, the other finds Hezbollah a respectable organisation. The right wing press just may have cried wolf one too many times, and perhaps the public are dismissing the warnings because of this. Corbyn I believe will stay on even with defeat, particularly if Ed Miliband's vote total is increased (I think this will be the case now), and the movement will grow and grow. The redtops - who proclaimed our High Court judges "Enemies of the people" will have no effect on him going forward. In fact they just make his appeal greater.
My Lib Dem friend in Sheffield Hallam says Clegg's a gonner.
Odd UKIP to Lab swing!
Our campaign completely failed to drag Labour into the same Hard Brexit box as us. Labour became an easy choice for remain voters and even soft Brexit UKIP/Tory Leavers voters.
The campaign was just horrible.
This is all the fault of Brexiters. It was totally avoidable.
Still, at least you're away from it all, eh?
Not really, it was May and her team who ran this shit campaign and who came out with these shit policies, but also who backed hard Brexit to win UKIP votes while others said go for centrist Brexit to win votes in the centre. She and her team take the blame for this failure.
LOL. What a poor attempt to absolve yourself.
You are insulated from this, and you've already pissed off. Some of us are not as lucky.
One thing we've learnt from all this is that some 'Conservative's are not 'conservative'.
This election obviously puts a huge question mark over Brexit.
The LibDem option of mapping out a Brexit plan, and then putting it to a new vote in a referendum, with status quo as the alternative, now looks the most sensible way out of the impasse.
Losing Shipley is just bizarre. What were the issues there? Surely not hard Brexit?
How many more times!
May said she'd take the WFA allowance of her own voters while continuing to give it to Scotland and she was also threatening to steal people's homes if they got Dementia!
Cry wolf. Ed Miliband the Labour leader in 2015 had a broad range of policies that were not a million miles off of what Theresa May has in her SDP-Tory hybrid manifesto to bring onboard working class Labour voters. The press went after him as they have with every Labour leader forever (Except Blair) - Red Ed, mocking him for the way he ate, his late father being disgustingly attacked as a danger to the country and somehow this impacting on Miliband's standing himself. I also remember the Alex Salmond posters, not the ones portraying Ed in his pocket, but one in Broxtowe where he was shown as a burglar. He of course is nothing of the sort, and the advert for me crossed the line - however as the ASA can't regulate political advertising it could go through. SNIP But there is a problem. The buckets of slime that were poured over Ed Miliband's head in 2015 are being chucked by the same news outlets again at Corbyn. It looks like the same monstering even though the two crimes they commit are very different - one couldn't quite eat a bacon sandwich correctly, the other finds Hezbollah a respectable organisation. The right wing press just may have cried wolf one too many times, and perhaps the public are dismissing the warnings because of this. Corbyn I believe will stay on even with defeat, particularly if Ed Miliband's vote total is increased (I think this will be the case now), and the movement will grow and grow. The redtops - who proclaimed our High Court judges "Enemies of the people" will have no effect on him going forward. In fact they just make his appeal greater.
May offered nothing, nothing, nothing. shocking campaign
She offered higher taxes. To her core vote.
The social care policy was a shocker that I suspect has forced a lot of pensioners to not vote.
But what might be bigger was there was nothing good economically in that manifesto. I mean where was business this election? They are going to be fucked by this corporation tax under Labour and not a peep from them. Bizarre.
This election obviously puts a huge question mark over Brexit.
The LibDem option of mapping out a Brexit plan, and then putting it to a new vote in a referendum, with status quo as the alternative, now looks the most sensible way out of the impasse.
But how would we get to that, as it isn't Labour's plan? Their plan is to negotiate and then have a 'meaningful vote' in the commons
Losing Shipley is just bizarre. What were the issues there? Surely not hard Brexit?
The guy is a total cock? The number of times he has deliberately run out bills on sensitive issues.
Surprised he didn't make RCS's List of Tories He Wouldn't Vote For.
I think there are plenty of women, modernising Conservatives who will be glad he's not in Parliament anymore. And certainly not making trouble on the equalities committee..
My Lib Dem friend in Sheffield Hallam says Clegg's a gonner.
Odd UKIP to Lab swing!
Our campaign completely failed to drag Labour into the same Hard Brexit box as us. Labour became an easy choice for remain voters and even soft Brexit UKIP/Tory Leavers voters.
The campaign was just horrible.
This is all the fault of Brexiters. It was totally avoidable.
Still, at least you're away from it all, eh?
Not really, it was May and her team who ran this shit campaign and who came out with these shit policies, but also who backed hard Brexit to win UKIP votes while others said go for centrist Brexit to win votes in the centre. She and her team take the blame for this failure.
LOL. What a poor attempt to absolve yourself.
You are insulated from this, and you've already pissed off. Some of us are not as lucky.
One thing we've learnt from all this is that some 'Conservative's are not 'conservative'.
Calm down JJ, you're getting a bit personal...
Have you read the posts against me in the past?
The hardcore so-called 'conservative' leavers have reaped what they have sowed.
I am a swing voter. I am the sort of person Conservatives should have been going for. But they sent me to the Lib Dems for this election.
Cry wolf. Ed Miliband the Labour leader in 2015 had a broad range of policies that were not a million miles off of what Theresa May has in her SDP-Tory hybrid manifesto to bring onboard working class Labour voters. The press went after him as they have with every Labour leader forever (Except Blair) - Red Ed, mocking him for the way he ate, his late father being disgustingly attacked as a danger to the country and somehow this impacting on Miliband's standing himself. I also remember the Alex Salmond posters, not the ones portraying Ed in his pocket, but one in Broxtowe where he was shown as a burglar. He of course is nothing of the sort, and the advert for me crossed the line - however as the ASA can't regulate political advertising it could go through. SNIP But there is a problem. The buckets of slime that were poured over Ed Miliband's head in 2015 are being chucked by the same news outlets again at Corbyn. It looks like the same monstering even though the two crimes they commit are very different - one couldn't quite eat a bacon sandwich correctly, the other finds Hezbollah a respectable organisation. The right wing press just may have cried wolf one too many times, and perhaps the public are dismissing the warnings because of this. Corbyn I believe will stay on even with defeat, particularly if Ed Miliband's vote total is increased (I think this will be the case now), and the movement will grow and grow. The redtops - who proclaimed our High Court judges "Enemies of the people" will have no effect on him going forward. In fact they just make his appeal greater.
Davies shouldn't form part of the wider view, there was a vicious campaign against him by the Women's equality party among others based on the fact that he's sexist prick.
This election obviously puts a huge question mark over Brexit.
The LibDem option of mapping out a Brexit plan, and then putting it to a new vote in a referendum, with status quo as the alternative, now looks the most sensible way out of the impasse.
But how would we get to that, as it isn't Labour's plan? Their plan is to negotiate and then have a 'meaningful vote' in the commons
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Oh, and Bath for LDs
Edit, and Leeds NW for Lab.
You are insulated from this, and you've already pissed off. Some of us are not as lucky.
One thing we've learnt from all this is that some 'Conservative's are not 'conservative'.
https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/872979903381217282
Corbyn doesn't need most seats to be able to command a majority in the commons.
You got it @Pulpstar.
West Bromwich West: Lab +4.7 Con +15.8. Majority cut to 12/13%
The LibDem option of mapping out a Brexit plan, and then putting it to a new vote in a referendum, with status quo as the alternative, now looks the most sensible way out of the impasse.
May said she'd take the WFA allowance of her own voters while continuing to give it to Scotland and she was also threatening to steal people's homes if they got Dementia!
It's not difficult...
Very grim, Labour holding marginals comfortably. Livid about May and manifesto.
Nah, let her finish off her job in Scotland.
SCon riding to the rescue?
WTF?
The Tories were 1-50 yesterday to hold the seat.
I know, because I looked the bet up (and didn't back the bloody thing).
But what might be bigger was there was nothing good economically in that manifesto. I mean where was business this election? They are going to be fucked by this corporation tax under Labour and not a peep from them. Bizarre.
Worst tory manifesto I have ever read.
Lots of rich, old people with big houses though.
David Herdson's former location.
May is gone.
I think there are plenty of women, modernising Conservatives who will be glad he's not in Parliament anymore. And certainly not making trouble on the equalities committee..
The hardcore so-called 'conservative' leavers have reaped what they have sowed.
I am a swing voter. I am the sort of person Conservatives should have been going for. But they sent me to the Lib Dems for this election.
But the EU Trumped everything,
Uncanny.
Slender majority just possible. What I'm praying for now. And even sensible centrist lefties, too, I imagine.
It is ruthlessly efficient.
How the fuck have the Tories lost Shipley?
Do the Labour plan first. Once you have the deal and the Commons vote, then do the LibDem plan.
Surely not?
Fuck me if there is an anti-Hunt rebellion.............
and hold carmarthen comfortably over labour
Lab 52.5
Con 34.2
UKIP 11.5