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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    As an Englishman I get most annoyed by the Welsh and Gaelic constituency names. I have to check their spelling every single time. Even then I sometimes get them wrong.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    Blue_rog said:

    When the Tory manifesto came out I said that it was time to get some unpalatable stuff on the table and a hit in the polls wouldn't hurt too much. . I'm sure the same calculation was done by the Tories. The joker was May's poor campaigning performance. I don't think it's so bad as to prevent an increased majority but it could have been better and it has also revealed May's Achilles heel, public speaking - strange in a politician

    I am no fan of TM but at least she is offering a serious platform. Her style is a bit wooden but I think people would rather have someone tell you the truth rather than the Blair and to a lesser extent Cameron who were all polish and media focused. If you look back at dynamic PMs they are usually followed by technocratic types. Think: Macmillan followed by Home or Wilson followed by Callaghan or Thatcher followed by Major or Blair followed by Brown and now Cameron followed by May. Politics is a cycle, if Labour can get rid of Corbyn they should be in for a period of rejuvenation as the pendulum swings against the Tories.

    May is not telling the truth on Brexit.

    I wasn't thinking of Brexit more of some of the other Non Brexit challenges. You do have a point on Brexit as I feel we have been told a pack of lies on that subject. The problem is we are at the point where it has to be executed even though I disagreed with it.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    An email from TM at 5:58 asking me to get out and vote as it could come down to a few votes... in Skipton and Ripon where Julian Smith has a majority of several gazillions... have a Lancaster postcode mind, so that might be confusing the message targeting...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503
    Abbott and Corbyn get into a lift together ..... but it doesn't move.

    Turns out she couldn't remember the correct floor number - and he wouldn't press the button!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,523
    Mr. Piggy, welcome to pb.com.

    Lots of new posters today.

    Mr. Observer, it'd be a good thing for the UK if the sane PLP members split and formed a comparable party here.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439
    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327
    At my polling station in Birkhill tonight it was bouncing. I am usually there at the crack of so it was an unusual time but I have never seen it so busy.

    Bit weird really. Dundee West is not marginal, no one canvassed us, no tellers, no obvious GOTV operation. My guess is that the SNP storm troopers are all in Angus and Perth and North Perthshire. But people are voting, no doubt about it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715
    chrisb said:

    spudgfsh said:

    I'd like to see the reaction of sunderland if they lose their 'fastest declaration' to Newcastle...

    It would be the end of them doing it. I was told it costs near £250,000 to do it. Once every five years is one thing - justifying it again after just two took some arm-twisting. It's a lot of money for a relatively poor area. They really must think it gives some serious kudos.
    250 grand?! why the hell do they bother? I'd be seriously pissed off if that was my tax money. It's a bit sad really.
    There in a nut-shell is the argument they have!
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,450
    Thinking about the last opinion polls...

    is there a way all of them could be considered wrong?

    Labour win?
    Tories on nearly 50% and Labour less than 30%?
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    RobD said:

    Recount in Sunderland would be a hell of a way to kick off the night!

    What do you think would happen on PB if it was Con GAIN Houghton & Sunderland S? :D

    (I know it isn't going to happen... but it is fun to dream)
    Server would melt down
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    kle4 said:

    An interesting perspective on constituency names

    http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/here-are-uk-s-most-infuriating-constituency-names-3099

    Which one do you think is the worst?

    Certainly not Aberavon - lots of places with the name not most significant settlement (or used to be many like that).

    I have to admit I have noticed the excessive 'and' usage in Scotland - they stick to a theme. Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey is just too long though.

    I like the ones where you lack a compass point - very common in local elections too - Royal Wootton Bassett has a north, south and east, but no west division.

    South Holland and the Deepings is a great name.
    Richmond (Yorks) is an unfortunate name. The parentheses is surely not necessary considering the similarly named seat is actually Richmond Park and considering Richmond, North Yorkshire came first (by some 600 years), it shouldn't be the one to suffer the caveat.

    Notwithstanding this, the seat should be called Northallerton and Richmond anyway.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Chameleon said:

    An interesting perspective on constituency names

    http://www.citymetric.com/horizons/here-are-uk-s-most-infuriating-constituency-names-3099

    Which one do you think is the worst?


    They have an issue with almost every single constituency name, which is quite impressive in itself.
    They are not that impressive. Altrincham and Sale West is missing from the list as is Wythenshawe and Sale East. Or have they no issues with those? They both have the hated "and" in the middle.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,963
    Scott_P said:

    hps://twitter.com/mirrorpolitics/status/872872334356557824

    At least there's a UKIP candidate for him to vote for.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Rexel56 said:

    An email from TM at 5:58 asking me to get out and vote as it could come down to a few votes... in Skipton and Ripon where Julian Smith has a majority of several gazillions... have a Lancaster postcode mind, so that might be confusing the message targeting...

    They always do that, I remember getting a text from David Cameron (Obviously it was a huge mail out) in 2010.

    I am not a member of any political party now, so I have received no communications from any party.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,226
    Use your cross wisely. Crucify a politician.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,327

    As an Englishman I get most annoyed by the Welsh and Gaelic constituency names. I have to check their spelling every single time. Even then I sometimes get them wrong.

    Some of us even get the names of the constituencies wrong.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,251
    edited June 2017
    HaroldO said:

    Blue_rog said:

    When the Tory manifesto came out I said that it was time to get some unpalatable stuff on the table and a hit in the polls wouldn't hurt too much. . I'm sure the same calculation was done by the Tories. The joker was May's poor campaigning performance. I don't think it's so bad as to prevent an increased majority but it could have been better and it has also revealed May's Achilles heel, public speaking - strange in a politician

    I am no fan of TM but at least she is offering a serious platform. Her style is a bit wooden but I think people would rather have someone tell you the truth rather than the Blair and to a lesser extent Cameron who were all polish and media focused. If you look back at dynamic PMs they are usually followed by technocratic types. Think: Macmillan followed by Home or Wilson followed by Callaghan or Thatcher followed by Major or Blair followed by Brown and now Cameron followed by May. Politics is a cycle, if Labour can get rid of Corbyn they should be in for a period of rejuvenation as the pendulum swings against the Tories.

    May is not telling the truth on Brexit.

    She tells the truth and we have capital flight and a recession.
    That's coming anyway, but if she'd told the truth she would have lost in a landslide.

    It pees me off when I hear people complain about politicians not telling the truth, when everybody knows what a high price they pay electorally for being honest with us.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503
    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,523
    Mr. Eagles, hat tip Milton Jones, no?

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,267

    Abbott and Corbyn get into a lift together ..... but it doesn't move.

    Turns out she couldn't remember the correct floor number - and he wouldn't press the button!

    You nicked that from Milton Jones...
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Mr. Piggy, welcome to pb.com.

    Lots of new posters today.

    Mr. Observer, it'd be a good thing for the UK if the sane PLP members split and formed a comparable party here.

    :+1:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,573
    T-3 hours.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451

    My gut is telling me Labour closer to 160 than 180.

    But I'll stick to 180 give or take. Definitely not 200.

    You a seller of Labour Seats then Southam? Sporting's spread has crept up during the day and is now 207/212. Even I think that's a bit high and I started buying when they were 160.

    Big profits available to you if you are right and have the cojones. I'm not sure. Staying out of it.

    The rule of thumb in every election is that it will be worse for Labour than most are expecting. That has been bucked every now and again, but it usually works. Looking at the demographics on who Labour is relying on to turn out and it is pretty clear to me that the Tories are going to walk this. I am not betting on this election, though. I would need more than gut feeling; I would need certainty. This is not the absolute 100% slam dunk that I knew the Referendum would be.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503
    Freggles said:

    RobD said:

    Recount in Sunderland would be a hell of a way to kick off the night!

    What do you think would happen on PB if it was Con GAIN Houghton & Sunderland S? :D

    (I know it isn't going to happen... but it is fun to dream)
    Server would melt down
    I think PB will meltdown if it is Con gain Don Valley.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,206

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    would that be George Osborne ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503

    Abbott and Corbyn get into a lift together ..... but it doesn't move.

    Turns out she couldn't remember the correct floor number - and he wouldn't press the button!

    You nicked that from Milton Jones...
    Nope, someone texted it to me.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,251

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    If they were patriotically voting for brexit, I doubt that they're going to patriotically vote for the IRA ally, except in Liverpool of course.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Blue_rog said:

    When the Tory manifesto came out I said that it was time to get some unpalatable stuff on the table and a hit in the polls wouldn't hurt too much. . I'm sure the same calculation was done by the Tories. The joker was May's poor campaigning performance. I don't think it's so bad as to prevent an increased majority but it could have been better and it has also revealed May's Achilles heel, public speaking - strange in a politician

    I am no fan of TM but at least she is offering a serious platform. Her style is a bit wooden but I think people would rather have someone tell you the truth rather than the Blair and to a lesser extent Cameron who were all polish and media focused. If you look back at dynamic PMs they are usually followed by technocratic types. Think: Macmillan followed by Home or Wilson followed by Callaghan or Thatcher followed by Major or Blair followed by Brown and now Cameron followed by May. Politics is a cycle, if Labour can get rid of Corbyn they should be in for a period of rejuvenation as the pendulum swings against the Tories.

    May is not telling the truth on Brexit.

    Is anyone?
    That song 'liar liar' can be applied to both May and Corbyn.
    And the other 648 of them...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
    Lol
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807

    Rexel56 said:

    An email from TM at 5:58 asking me to get out and vote as it could come down to a few votes... in Skipton and Ripon where Julian Smith has a majority of several gazillions... have a Lancaster postcode mind, so that might be confusing the message targeting...

    They always do that, I remember getting a text from David Cameron (Obviously it was a huge mail out) in 2010.

    I am not a member of any political party now, so I have received no communications from any party.
    Ah, I had assumed that some bloke called Jim Messina studies my web activity and sends me a personal email based on how many times I have looked at PB or Breitbart. Or something.
  • midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Pulpstar said:

    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.

    Any thoughts on the Lib Dems at 12s under 7 seats? Seems very generous?
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Evening all we are all set for the exit poll at 10pm then. I still have no sense of how this is going to play out. Lots of Labour leafleting outside Finchley Central tube station tonight. I can't see them gaining the seat though with Corbyn as leader.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,251
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Possibe? Yes. It's about an 8/1 shot.

    I do like to be helpful when I can.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,067
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    :lol:

    come on Ave It give us a

    tim = muppet

    our 2010 election treat
    Hopefully there will be some treats later!

    :lol:
    It's an election night on PB only when Ave It is in the house.... although has he mellowed a little we ask?
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    I don't feel nervous but I do want this to be over and done with.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128
    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Anything is possible. I covered myself with a small stake on that last night.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503
    Feck it, I'm going to be a seller of Labour seats.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.

    Leave Derbyshire out of this.....
  • RobD said:

    Recount in Sunderland would be a hell of a way to kick off the night!

    What do you think would happen on PB if it was Con GAIN Houghton & Sunderland S? :D

    (I know it isn't going to happen... but it is fun to dream)
    Anyone not up all not at a count would go to bed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 118,503

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
    Clearly you've been to Wigan then!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    :lol:

    come on Ave It give us a

    tim = muppet

    our 2010 election treat
    Hopefully there will be some treats later!

    :lol:
    It's an election night on PB only when Ave It is in the house.... although has he mellowed a little we ask?
    I've a feeling the person we shall most miss tonight is Martin Day, with his artwork of means of LibDem conveyances....
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    chloe said:

    Evening all we are all set for the exit poll at 10pm then. I still have no sense of how this is going to play out. Lots of Labour leafleting outside Finchley Central tube station tonight. I can't see them gaining the seat though with Corbyn as leader.

    Labour seem to be leafleting all across London today - I guess they have the Momentum manpower in the capital to rely on. Leaflets have been thrust at me all day in Dulwich which to the best of my knowledge is in no way a marginal or a target for anybody.
  • chrisbchrisb Posts: 112
    DavidL said:

    My other hot prediction is that Labour will end up with fewer seats than the Exit Poll initially predicts.

    That I agree with for the reasons I have said but I think 180 is excessively pessimistic, let alone 160. I expect Labour to be around 200. Above or below will be quite important psychologically.
    I would have thought the 209 seats they won in the 1983 election might hold more psychological resonance.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128

    Macron looks on course for a stunning result.

    image

    That will sooooo piss off the Brexit right in the UK. The Spectator will have a meltdown. Lucky France.

    Why? Doesn't bother me.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Leave.EU mail-list doing its job?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.

    Leave Derbyshire out of this.....

    Derbyshire has been left out of everything since the dawn of civilisation.....
  • Any sense for how the Space Navies are doing in their targets?
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249
    Battersea is crawling with Labour rosettes
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2017
    Apparently the returning officer usually in charge of the Sunderland counts has moved to Newcastle, which is why the latter is being mooted as a possible first declaration this time.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    At my polling station in Birkhill tonight it was bouncing. I am usually there at the crack of so it was an unusual time but I have never seen it so busy.

    Bit weird really. Dundee West is not marginal, no one canvassed us, no tellers, no obvious GOTV operation. My guess is that the SNP storm troopers are all in Angus and Perth and North Perthshire. But people are voting, no doubt about it.

    You'd describe it as risk then?

    Post work is always the busiest time when I've voted
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.

    Leave Derbyshire out of this.....

    Derbyshire has been left out of everything since the dawn of civilisation.....
    Heard any news from Kevin yet ?
  • Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    :lol:

    come on Ave It give us a

    tim = muppet

    our 2010 election treat
    Hopefully there will be some treats later!

    :lol:
    It's an election night on PB only when Ave It is in the house.... although has he mellowed a little we ask?
    I've a feeling the person we shall most miss tonight is Martin Day, with his artwork of means of LibDem conveyances....
    For me, his masterpiece was the Galapagos Tortoise with Gordon Brown's head grafted ineptly onto it. I still have that stored away somewhere. A crazed genius. Sort of.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    Typo said:

    chloe said:

    Evening all we are all set for the exit poll at 10pm then. I still have no sense of how this is going to play out. Lots of Labour leafleting outside Finchley Central tube station tonight. I can't see them gaining the seat though with Corbyn as leader.

    Labour seem to be leafleting all across London today - I guess they have the Momentum manpower in the capital to rely on. Leaflets have been thrust at me all day in Dulwich which to the best of my knowledge is in no way a marginal or a target for anybody.
    They have been leafleting in Borough all week though there are lots of Bring Back Simon Hughes posters too!
  • chloe said:

    Evening all we are all set for the exit poll at 10pm then. I still have no sense of how this is going to play out. Lots of Labour leafleting outside Finchley Central tube station tonight. I can't see them gaining the seat though with Corbyn as leader.

    Jews have made their minds up about Corbyn like he has made his up about Jews.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,269
    Halep in the final, excellent!

    Any sign of this youth tsunami yet?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
    Clearly you've been to Wigan then!
    Mr Eagles! I had a nice meal in Wigan once. Well.... on the outskirts of Wigan..... err..... OK.... M6 services...

    :(
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128
    I bedwetted out of the spreads last night.

    Now trying to decide whether to go back in, and onto what.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Battersea is crawling with Labour rosettes

    Labour's excellent ground game will mean that they hold Battersea, after their great ground game won it for them last time out.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.

    Leave Derbyshire out of this.....
    Derbyshire has been left out of everything since the dawn of civilisation.....
    It is slowly creeping up on Sheffield though. It seems to get closer every time I go over Snake Pass.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    Macron looks on course for a stunning result.

    image

    That will sooooo piss off the Brexit right in the UK. The Spectator will have a meltdown. Lucky France.

    Why? Doesn't bother me.
    Political leaders secure in their positions will be in a better position to seek out mutually beneficial solutions.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    Battersea is crawling with Labour rosettes

    Labour's excellent ground game will mean that they hold Battersea, after their great ground game won it for them last time out.
    Very droll. Battersea is their only chance of a non marginal gain IMO, but think it unlikely.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,251

    I bedwetted out of the spreads last night.

    Now trying to decide whether to go back in, and onto what.

    I did the same about a week ago, but just sold half my stake. Glad I did because I would otherwise have been a nervous wreck by now.
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just voted in Ilford North!

    Turnout seems OK, not earth-shattering. Only one teller, a Tory.

    Sunil means "blue"... :innocent:

    Did you vote :naughty: or :innocent:?
    I'm tittering and chortling right now :lol:

    But my little brother voted Labour :open_mouth:
    Your have fallen significantly on the Order of Lenin shortlist. :D
    Sunil's little "brother" needs to be sent for re-education to the gulags of Tunbridge Wells....
    I was there earlier today. Saw a few Greg Clark posters, not much else except for some home made ones saying: "Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Vote against the Tory party".

  • With the reports of the brexit vote turning out and perhaps more youth voters than before is there any value in turnout markets?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715
    chrisb said:

    DavidL said:

    My other hot prediction is that Labour will end up with fewer seats than the Exit Poll initially predicts.

    That I agree with for the reasons I have said but I think 180 is excessively pessimistic, let alone 160. I expect Labour to be around 200. Above or below will be quite important psychologically.
    I would have thought the 209 seats they won in the 1983 election might hold more psychological resonance.
    I look at the list of seats that need to fall for Labour even to be down at 180 and I just shake my head. I just can't see any of them with a Tory MP.

    If they do fall, it is a political earthquake that Corbyn will have unleashed (for it will be his doing, and not that of Theresa May).
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    midwinter said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Pulpstar said:

    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.

    Any thoughts on the Lib Dems at 12s under 7 seats? Seems very generous?
    If its a Tory landslide we will be wiped out. I couldn't believe it that a lifetime lib dem in somerton and frome voted Tory because she didn't want jimmy krankie pulling the strings. There's no way labour can win there but it influenced her vote. I think we may be toast.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    jonny83 said:

    Halep in the final, excellent!

    Any sign of this youth tsunami yet?

    She voted about 3pm and then had her breakfast.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439
    Anecdote alert...

    Visiting his local polling station in Derby, a friend of mine had to brake hard - Margaret Beckett walked out in front of his car without looking! No harm caused, fortunately.

    *Interesting*
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,067
    edited June 2017
    Earlier versions of Travel Junkie might suggest this party's MPs have put party before country?

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/872878018351550465
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,251

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
    Clearly you've been to Wigan then!
    Lol! As it happens, I have, and I liked it very much.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    nichomar said:

    midwinter said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Pulpstar said:

    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.

    Any thoughts on the Lib Dems at 12s under 7 seats? Seems very generous?
    If its a Tory landslide we will be wiped out. I couldn't believe it that a lifetime lib dem in somerton and frome voted Tory because she didn't want jimmy krankie pulling the strings. There's no way labour can win there but it influenced her vote. I think we may be toast.
    Where is that offer?
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Turnout was fairly sizzling in Beckenham from the rush hour commuter trains. A fair amount of well dressed 30 somethings. Where their vote goes is hard to say but Bob Stewart will be fine even if demographics mean his margin gets cut as the snooty liberal Dulwich sorts move here.

    After writing my abstention note on the ballot paper for 15 seconds I became conscious my pencil was making a lot more noise than anyone else's and promptly stopped.
  • Brom said:

    Chameleon said:

    Battersea is crawling with Labour rosettes

    Labour's excellent ground game will mean that they hold Battersea, after their great ground game won it for them last time out.
    Very droll. Battersea is their only chance of a non marginal gain IMO, but think it unlikely.
    For what it's worth someone on Guido is suggesting Tory activists are worried in Battersea
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715

    My Labour friend in the North West who first alerted me to the possibility that Leave were going to win it is nervous.

    The voters that turned out then are turning out now.

    But he's not sure who they are voting for.

    Must be like a scene from Shaun Of The Dead.
    Clearly you've been to Wigan then!
    Mr Eagles! I had a nice meal in Wigan once. Well.... on the outskirts of Wigan..... err..... OK.... M6 services...

    :(
    I saw a singing River Warbler in Wigan....summer of '95.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439

    Earlier versions of Travel Junkie might suggest this party's MPs have put party before country?

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/872878018351550465

    Danczuk ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128
    alex. said:

    Macron looks on course for a stunning result.

    image

    That will sooooo piss off the Brexit right in the UK. The Spectator will have a meltdown. Lucky France.

    Why? Doesn't bother me.
    Political leaders secure in their positions will be in a better position to seek out mutually beneficial solutions.
    Precisely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,963

    Earlier versions of Travel Junkie might suggest this party's MPs have put party before country?

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/872878018351550465

    They have been very disciplined - if the campaign had gone badly, I bet a lot more would have.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Pulpstar said:

    Earlier versions of Travel Junkie might suggest this party's MPs have put party before country?

    https://twitter.com/montie/status/872878018351550465

    Danczuk ?
    Not a Labour MP...
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Pulpstar said:

    Anecdote alert...

    Visiting his local polling station in Derby, a friend of mine had to brake hard - Margaret Beckett walked out in front of his car without looking! No harm caused, fortunately.

    *Interesting*

    Sounds as though she is flustered. Like other PB'ers to see Labour down at the 150-160 level you wince at some of the seats that would potentially go - Bolsover, Durhan NW, Hemsworth?, Blyth Valley?

    And to think that Margaret Beckett was instrumental in getting Jezza on the leadership ballot a couple of years ago.............
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439
    Chameleon said:

    nichomar said:

    midwinter said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Pulpstar said:

    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.

    Any thoughts on the Lib Dems at 12s under 7 seats? Seems very generous?
    If its a Tory landslide we will be wiped out. I couldn't believe it that a lifetime lib dem in somerton and frome voted Tory because she didn't want jimmy krankie pulling the strings. There's no way labour can win there but it influenced her vote. I think we may be toast.
    Where is that offer?
    http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/11224089/General+Election+-+#YourOdds.html
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,523
    Mr. Pulpstar, isn't Danczuk standing as an independent?
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    Have taken the coward's way out and put a little bit on Labour to get under 208 seats at evens on SkyBet.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,088

    Blue_rog said:

    When the Tory manifesto came out I said that it was time to get some unpalatable stuff on the table and a hit in the polls wouldn't hurt too much. . I'm sure the same calculation was done by the Tories. The joker was May's poor campaigning performance. I don't think it's so bad as to prevent an increased majority but it could have been better and it has also revealed May's Achilles heel, public speaking - strange in a politician

    I am no fan of TM but at least she is offering a serious platform. Her style is a bit wooden but I think people would rather have someone tell you the truth rather than the Blair and to a lesser extent Cameron who were all polish and media focused. If you look back at dynamic PMs they are usually followed by technocratic types. Think: Macmillan followed by Home or Wilson followed by Callaghan or Thatcher followed by Major or Blair followed by Brown and now Cameron followed by May. Politics is a cycle, if Labour can get rid of Corbyn they should be in for a period of rejuvenation as the pendulum swings against the Tories.

    May is not telling the truth on Brexit.

    Is anyone?
    That song 'liar liar' can be applied to both May and Corbyn.
    Probably my favourite Jim Carrey movie :lol:
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Pulpstar said:

    Chameleon said:

    nichomar said:

    midwinter said:

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone think 400 seats is possible for the Tories? Just looking at the 8/1 on Betfair that's available for that option.

    Pulpstar said:

    5-2 Billy Hills first constituency to declare before 22:45

    With no locals there'll be a race to break records.

    Any thoughts on the Lib Dems at 12s under 7 seats? Seems very generous?
    If its a Tory landslide we will be wiped out. I couldn't believe it that a lifetime lib dem in somerton and frome voted Tory because she didn't want jimmy krankie pulling the strings. There's no way labour can win there but it influenced her vote. I think we may be toast.
    Where is that offer?
    http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/e/11224089/General+Election+-+#YourOdds.html
    Thank you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,128

    I bedwetted out of the spreads last night.

    Now trying to decide whether to go back in, and onto what.

    I did the same about a week ago, but just sold half my stake. Glad I did because I would otherwise have been a nervous wreck by now.
    You still have half open then?
  • Chameleon said:

    W/R the constituency names article:

    'Barnsley Central

    Barnsley East

    I know what you’re thinking. How do you split a town in two and end up with a “Central” and an “East”? A West and an East, sure. A Central and an Outer, fine. But what exactly are they sniffing over at the Boundary Commission?'

    Is very funny.

    The three Westernmost wards in Barnsley are actually in Penistone & Stocksbridge, which makes a little more sense of it, especially when you consider that two of those Wards (Penistone East and West) are almost as big as the rest of the town when it comes to area.

    The names are actually fairly sensible. Perhaps Barnsley Central could be better described as Barnsley North and Barnsley East does include a large part of the South of the town.
  • BaskervilleBaskerville Posts: 391

    Macron looks on course for a stunning result.

    image

    That will sooooo piss off the Brexit right in the UK. The Spectator will have a meltdown. Lucky France.

    Why? Doesn't bother me.
    Strong and stable France + strong and stable Britain = grown up Brexit deal.
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249

    Brom said:

    Chameleon said:

    Battersea is crawling with Labour rosettes

    Labour's excellent ground game will mean that they hold Battersea, after their great ground game won it for them last time out.
    Very droll. Battersea is their only chance of a non marginal gain IMO, but think it unlikely.
    For what it's worth someone on Guido is suggesting Tory activists are worried in Battersea
    Great. I promised myself I would never live in a Labour seat again.. this is unacceptable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,715

    Mrs C, Yorkshire is a flourishing and bountiful land, nourished by the timely rain. Not a parched realm of nightmares, like Mordor.

    Leave Derbyshire out of this.....
    Derbyshire has been left out of everything since the dawn of civilisation.....
    It is slowly creeping up on Sheffield though. It seems to get closer every time I go over Snake Pass.
    It's a sneaky county, Derbyshire. You've got to watch it like a hawk....
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,067
    Given the whole Corbyn campaign has been he is for the many and the Tories are for the few.

    What is the defence if we assume the Tories get a total vote which is perhaps 1 to 2 million more than his party?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,226
    Long queues at the polling station in leafy Hampstead.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,088

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Just voted in Ilford North!

    Turnout seems OK, not earth-shattering. Only one teller, a Tory.

    Sunil means "blue"... :innocent:

    Did you vote :naughty: or :innocent:?
    I'm tittering and chortling right now :lol:

    But my little brother voted Labour :open_mouth:
    Your have fallen significantly on the Order of Lenin shortlist. :D
    Sunil's little "brother" needs to be sent for re-education to the gulags of Tunbridge Wells....
    Actually, it's "little" brother - he's easily in excess of 6 feet, more than 6 inches taller than yours truly.

    Predictably, I've already been branded a "Tory"! :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,439
    rcs1000 said:

    Long queues at the polling station in leafy Hampstead.

    Lab hold, plenty of Lib + green to squeeze.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Any rumours?
  • Anyone know where I can get a spreadsheet of seats with % Majority / swing required and likely declaration time? I had one in 2015 and it was great!
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