Perhaps the Tories are in a spot of trouble, that sun front page is very late in coming. I expected a mail / sun giving him the old 1-2 day after day but they have waited until the last second.
Dents the impact if they're doing it day-in, day-out.
They want it to hit home at the right time.
I dont know it worked against miliband and he doesn't have the massive baggage that jez does.
They are more scared of a Corbyn victory than a Miliband one.
You'd think so. But those polls... (no they don't show Corbyn victory, but still)
Three-year lurker unlurking here. I'll start with a vote of thanks.
1. To those PBers, especially those with their ears close to the floor, who give genuine tips and analysis. Special thanks to Meeks for the PVV/VVD shout and to whoever said to get on Macron while he was still odds-against. I know you'll all say it was you. Payouts from political bets haven't exactly bought me a new car, but they've covered my car insurance over the last 24 months.
2. OGH, TSE and any other contributors/editors/mods. This the least douchey place on the internet for political chat, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
3. Anyone who actually knocks on doors, stumps up a deposit or stands, for all the obvious reasons.
4. NPXMP, who is my mum and dad's old MP. They have met you and Soubry and think you are nicer.
How do I see the election going? Something like CON44, LAB33, LD8, for a CON maj of just under triple figures and a rough night for Tim Farron. Higher than most anticipate, and I'm led that way primarily by the anonymous tales of woe on Labour Uncut, Bloomberg etc over the last 48 hours, and a chat with a LD canvasser I know.
If you are after a tip from someone on the internet you've never met, try LD under 10 seats, which is 2.75 with BETFRED and should be odds-on.
Welcome sir! Cracking first post.
I'm on the LD under 10 - currently 3.7 at betfair exchange. Started backing at 8.......right down to 4.something
Is there an experience as grueling as forcing yourself to get through a piece of entertainment you simply do not find entertaining or otherwise compelling? Just read Phillip Gregory's 'The Little House' this evening - what a waste of time that was. And I know about wasting time *looks at pb post count*.
Read Casino_Royale's post and calm down. Seriously.
I am genuinely disturbed by the Sky paper review this evening with the two guests suggesting that the burden of proof should be changed in terrorist cases so that we no longer convict on beyond reasonable doubt.
Everyone thinks that laws can be changed to just address one small section of society thinking it will never be extended to them. It is quite frightening.
Indeed, that's illiberal bollocks, same as the internet censorship Mrs May is going on about. The scumbags win if we do that shit.
We just need to make it clear that anyone travelling to Libya or Syria without good reason can expect to not be allowed back, and if they're British citizens they can expect to be put on trial for treason. The trial and the jury are important though, we don't intern people without charging them with an offence.
The Sun doesn't understand. Corbyn was at the rally in solidarity with all people, excluding Jews, the White working class, Conservative voters, the security services, the military...
See? All people.
Corbyn has the kind of opinion scope that if he wasn't a Labour MP and went around coming off with some of his public utterances, he'd be a candidate for Prevent....
Long experience this side of the Irish Sea has led to much knowledge that Corbyn is a f**king little wannabe revolutionary. His views are encouragement to those who seek to undermine the basic tents of this nation, he fundamentally hates Britain and what it stands for whilst taking the benefit of the freedoms it gives.
That kind of individual sound familar?
No, because it doesn't exist. But that kind of spiel doesn't half sound as though it could come from someone whose favourite attire includes a bowler hat and an orange sash.
For the record, I have never been in the Orange Order and won't be because I don't care for it. I was brought up not to see religion as a driver and I stuck to it.
What you gonna use now smart arse?
Ask some Republicans how they used Corbyn, if you know any, which you don't. Stitched up like a cheap set of trainers and he loved it, he loved brown nosing. You could nearly smell the shit off his face after he had done his meetings with them. 'Comrades' he would call them at the start of his little speeches during small gatherings.
More could easily come out about him within 24 hours, because there is more. There are plenty of tapped recordings, maybe they will come out?
2. OGH, TSE and any other contributors/editors/mods. This the least douchey place on the internet for political chat, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
The Sun doesn't understand. Corbyn was at the rally in solidarity with all people, excluding Jews, the White working class, Conservative voters, the security services, the military...
See? All people.
Corbyn has the kind of opinion scope that if he wasn't a Labour MP and went around coming off with some of his public utterances, he'd be a candidate for Prevent....
Long experience this side of the Irish Sea has led to much knowledge that Corbyn is a f**king little wannabe revolutionary. His views are encouragement to those who seek to undermine the basic tents of this nation, he fundamentally hates Britain and what it stands for whilst taking the benefit of the freedoms it gives.
That kind of individual sound familar?
Did you read the Weekly Worker article that it was taken from? :
"A group of ultra-orthadox religious jews (for whom the state of Israel is a 'blasphemy') waved Palestinian flags from the platform and were praised by the PLO speaker. The rally was also addressed by Labour MPs Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, and by union leaders Paul Mackney (Natfhe) and John McFadden (Unison), but there was no speaker who put forward a democratic solution based on the independent working class."
So Jezza shared a platform with ultra orthodox Jews, and the Israeli group Just Peace.
The article describes clearly the Al Mujarhadoon were an unwelcome disruptive group heckled by other elements of the rally.
mhh - not sure that is a completely accurate description but people can make up their own minds by reading the base doc in it's entirity
The Sun doesn't understand. Corbyn was at the rally in solidarity with all people, excluding Jews, the White working class, Conservative voters, the security services, the military...
See? All people.
Corbyn has the kind of opinion scope that if he wasn't a Labour MP and went around coming off with some of his public utterances, he'd be a candidate for Prevent....
Long experience this side of the Irish Sea has led to much knowledge that Corbyn is a f**king little wannabe revolutionary. His views are encouragement to those who seek to undermine the basic tents of this nation, he fundamentally hates Britain and what it stands for whilst taking the benefit of the freedoms it gives.
That kind of individual sound familar?
Did you read the Weekly Worker article that it was taken from? :
"A group of ultra-orthadox religious jews (for whom the state of Israel is a 'blasphemy') waved Palestinian flags from the platform and were praised by the PLO speaker. The rally was also addressed by Labour MPs Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, and by union leaders Paul Mackney (Natfhe) and John McFadden (Unison), but there was no speaker who put forward a democratic solution based on the independent working class."
So Jezza shared a platform with ultra orthodox Jews, and the Israeli group Just Peace.
The article describes clearly the Al Mujarhadoon were an unwelcome disruptive group heckled by other elements of the rally.
I'm already aware of more about this guy and his associations than most. One article in the Sun doesn't change jack, I already know what he is and who he is.
The Sun doesn't understand. Corbyn was at the rally in solidarity with all people, excluding Jews, the White working class, Conservative voters, the security services, the military...
See? All people.
Corbyn has the kind of opinion scope that if he wasn't a Labour MP and went around coming off with some of his public utterances, he'd be a candidate for Prevent....
Long experience this side of the Irish Sea has led to much knowledge that Corbyn is a f**king little wannabe revolutionary. His views are encouragement to those who seek to undermine the basic tents of this nation, he fundamentally hates Britain and what it stands for whilst taking the benefit of the freedoms it gives.
That kind of individual sound familar?
Did you read the Weekly Worker article that it was taken from? :
"A group of ultra-orthadox religious jews (for whom the state of Israel is a 'blasphemy') waved Palestinian flags from the platform and were praised by the PLO speaker. The rally was also addressed by Labour MPs Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, and by union leaders Paul Mackney (Natfhe) and John McFadden (Unison), but there was no speaker who put forward a democratic solution based on the independent working class."
So Jezza shared a platform with ultra orthodox Jews, and the Israeli group Just Peace.
The article describes clearly the Al Mujarhadoon were an unwelcome disruptive group heckled by other elements of the rally.
mhh - not sure that is a completely accurate description but people can make up their own minds by reading the base doc in it's entirity
I think if I was going to do a daily mail hit piece on labour I would do a playing card style front page each with picture ans a dodgy thing about them ie marxist entrist, wanted IRA to win, communist leader, etc just to make it absolutely clear what you are getting if labour win.
photo of "unwell" Diane Abbot on her phone this morning when she was supposedly too unwell to appear on the radio show, now in tomorrow's papers. Not good for Team Corbyn
Of course she was unwell, she'd been in a massive car crash only 12 hours earlier
Sir Lynton awakes. Float popular outside London scrapping of some human rights laws, which Corbyn has to oppose, tip off Sun and stand back. Mini-surge / firming up of votes in last 48 hours.
And Labour have already swallowed the lure hook, line and sinker...
Is there an experience as grueling as forcing yourself to get through a piece of entertainment you simply do not find entertaining or otherwise compelling? Just read Phillip Gregory's 'The Little House' this evening - what a waste of time that was. And I know about wasting time *looks at pb post count*.
Read Casino_Royale's post and calm down. Seriously.
Is there an experience as grueling as forcing yourself to get through a piece of entertainment you simply do not find entertaining or otherwise compelling? Just read Phillip Gregory's 'The Little House' this evening - what a waste of time that was. And I know about wasting time *looks at pb post count*.
Read Casino_Royale's post and calm down. Seriously.
Seriously, I don't think Corbyn is going to win and didn't say I did - I was referring the pretty likely fact he will outdo Ed M in vote share, which is astounding to me given I'd think people would fear him winning more than Ed M. I know we joke about it, but not everything is a bedwetting panic attack for christ's sake
The Sun doesn't understand. Corbyn was at the rally in solidarity with all people, excluding Jews, the White working class, Conservative voters, the security services, the military...
See? All people.
Corbyn has the kind of opinion scope that if he wasn't a Labour MP and went around coming off with some of his public utterances, he'd be a candidate for Prevent....
Long experience this side of the Irish Sea has led to much knowledge that Corbyn is a f**king little wannabe revolutionary. His views are encouragement to those who seek to undermine the basic tents of this nation, he fundamentally hates Britain and what it stands for whilst taking the benefit of the freedoms it gives.
That kind of individual sound familar?
Did you read the Weekly Worker article that it was taken from? :
"A group of ultra-orthadox religious jews (for whom the state of Israel is a 'blasphemy') waved Palestinian flags from the platform and were praised by the PLO speaker. The rally was also addressed by Labour MPs Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway, and by union leaders Paul Mackney (Natfhe) and John McFadden (Unison), but there was no speaker who put forward a democratic solution based on the independent working class."
So Jezza shared a platform with ultra orthodox Jews, and the Israeli group Just Peace.
The article describes clearly the Al Mujarhadoon were an unwelcome disruptive group heckled by other elements of the rally.
I'm already aware of more about this guy and his associations than most. One article in the Sun doesn't change jack, I already know what he is and who he is.
Yokel, have you been speaking to the Telegraph :-)
@hannahrosewoods: What's the naughtiest thing you've done? PM: Jog through some wheat?
Eight hours later- PM: Also I'll probably take away your human rights
Shocking if Theresa actually goes through with curbing our ancient liberties. In those circumstances I'd expect another resignation from DD and a by-election.
Hadn't realised the ECHR was that old!
The ECHR is just a convenient bogeyman. The position of the anti-libertarian Right (epitomized by Dacre and co.) that the riff-raff have been allowed to much license over the years, is the one I'm sure that the statist Theresa will lurch towards.
The ECHR is frankly irrelevant. The important laws that protect our freedoms existed for decades or even centuries before we even thought about the ECHR. It is those freedoms that are now being seriously threatened by politicians to ignorant to look for anything other than a quick fix and too dumb to realise what long term damage they will do.
Perhaps the Tories are in a spot of trouble, that sun front page is very late in coming. I expected a mail / sun giving him the old 1-2 day after day but they have waited until the last second.
Dents the impact if they're doing it day-in, day-out.
They want it to hit home at the right time.
I dont know it worked against miliband and he doesn't have the massive baggage that jez does.
They are more scared of a Corbyn victory than a Miliband one. In hindsight, considering who's running Labour now, I don't think anyone could say the sky would have fallen in with Ed in Number 10.
Unless a few uears into a Miliband government there was a leadershipp election for some reason, and it turned out there were still loads of rabid lefties from the early 80s that we thought had gone away, and various MPs nominated a candidate from the left to 'broaden the debate' and win brownie points with the unions - only this election was effectively for PM rather than LOTO.
This is why it will take me a good long while even after Corbyn before I'd consider trusting the British Labour Party with any grown up decisions again.
Is there an experience as grueling as forcing yourself to get through a piece of entertainment you simply do not find entertaining or otherwise compelling? Just read Phillip Gregory's 'The Little House' this evening - what a waste of time that was. And I know about wasting time *looks at pb post count*.
Read Casino_Royale's post and calm down. Seriously.
Is there an experience as grueling as forcing yourself to get through a piece of entertainment you simply do not find entertaining or otherwise compelling? Just read Phillip Gregory's 'The Little House' this evening - what a waste of time that was. And I know about wasting time *looks at pb post count*.
Read Casino_Royale's post and calm down. Seriously.
Seriously, I don't think Corbyn is going to win and didn't say I did - I was referring the pretty likely fact he will outdo Ed M in vote share, which is astounding to me given I'd think people would fear him winning more than Ed M. I know we joke about it, but not everything is a bedwetting panic attack for christ's sake
Sorry....
Corbyn comes off as more personable/charismatic than Ed M did in 2015. That's why. Most voters will not know about his past either.
I am genuinely disturbed by the Sky paper review this evening with the two guests suggesting that the burden of proof should be changed in terrorist cases so that we no longer convict on beyond reasonable doubt.
Everyone thinks that laws can be changed to just address one small section of society thinking it will never be extended to them. It is quite frightening.
I had this debate today with someone, it's almost like they forget how much of a success internment in Northern Ireland was.
Towards what aim?
It provoked a considerable surge in violence, pushed many into the IRA, and helped remove moderate Unionism from the picture. It was an Orange dream come true. You might as well call the Bloody Sunday massacre the following year a success too.
TSE, do you think "internment" was a great success in Algeria, Kenya, and South America too? There's no doubt it's been much used, almost always with torture, and in many cases with concentration camps.
On the declaration times, I see 3 of the 4 Northumberland seats are last to declare at Midday on Friday - presumably they're not starting counting until Friday morning? Yet Hexham is due to declare at 5am - odd!
One of the reasons for Berwick is the tide times for Holy Island. (2 policemen overtime to watch the box cost most of their budget). You can only cross at certain times of day. Otherwise votes would be delivered by boat or helicopter. Both risky. The count was always done in one place for 4 constituencies to save money. Many rural places are 2 hours by road, during the night. It was generally accepted that daytime counting was better. No idea why Hexham is down for 5 am. Long daylight hours in June, or just wrong info?
Thanks for the info. I remember when I was up there and the causeway was at high tide to get across to Lindisfarne! I remember watching archive footage of the February 1974 election with the Berwick result declared at around midday with Alan Beith in front of a very old shed type building. I think if PB had existed back then, nearly everyone would have expected the Tories easily to regain Berwick in that election after the 1973 by-election loss. It looks as though Berwick has reverted to type over 40 years later.
Yes, Alan Beith was genuinely well liked. Have both Tories and Momentum types agreeing on that. Was one of the few with a genuinely large personal vote. It is, however, natural Conservative territory. ps, You should try walking the Causeway. It is an eerie experience. Like a sci-fi set.
Interesting photo choices - Corbyn looking worried, McDonnell like he's about to thump someone, and Abbott like she sat on a pin.
I don't know why, but for some reason though it is a truly amazingly hostile headline, I am less offended than that 'Crush the Saboteurs' one. I guess because it is only focusing on three people?
By the way, big props to @hunchman@Danny565@Saltire for the predictions. We'll see what happens 48 hours from now as the exit poll is released!
Thanks @Sandpit. I was thinking around a Tory 70 majority towards the end of last week when the Labour opinion poll surge was at its height. I've just been hearing too much Labour negative stuff outside of London since then. The Labour Uncut article last night (forget the name of the guy who was accurate in 2015 IIRC) was a big confirmation for me of moving back to around a 100 Tory majority.
Iv'e bought on the spreads at 367 Tory seats, and have a bag of sand at 1.25 on the majority. I think Labournare going to pile up votes in London and Surrey where they make no difference, whereas the Tories will pile them up in the West Mids and North East marginals.
Labour Uncut guy is Atul Harawal I think
Yes that's the guy Atul Harawal - very astute commentator IMO. Good luck with your bets.
Yes, he's very good, and not afraid to call a spade a spade at this point in the campaign. I've got all my eggs in one basket with the betting, some lucky buggers managed to get 1.31 on the majority this morning. I still predict a 90 majority.
If ComRes are releasing another poll before June 8th, it shouldn't be too bad for the Tories then.
yes they are for Thursday's Independent
I expect a bit of a late move back to the Tories in the polls, after Tories net on balance were away on holiday last week for half term in many places, irrespective of anything else. These Sun and Telegraph headlines are standard end of campaign stuff. But as we've seen at recent elections, they don't have the power that they had like in yesteryear such as 1992.
One thing that we miss from elections these days is parties paying for adverts on billboards along major routes. They were a big thing back in 1992 but the internet / social media and sophisticated voter targeting software has rendered them redundant.
Three-year lurker unlurking here. I'll start with a vote of thanks.
1. To those PBers, especially those with their ears close to the floor, who give genuine tips and analysis. Special thanks to Meeks for the PVV/VVD shout and to whoever said to get on Macron while he was still odds-against. I know you'll all say it was you. Payouts from political bets haven't exactly bought me a new car, but they've covered my car insurance over the last 24 months.
2. OGH, TSE and any other contributors/editors/mods. This the least douchey place on the internet for political chat, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
3. Anyone who actually knocks on doors, stumps up a deposit or stands, for all the obvious reasons.
4. NPXMP, who is my mum and dad's old MP. They have met you and Soubry and think you are nicer.
How do I see the election going? Something like CON44, LAB33, LD8, for a CON maj of just under triple figures and a rough night for Tim Farron. Higher than most anticipate, and I'm led that way primarily by the anonymous tales of woe on Labour Uncut, Bloomberg etc over the last 48 hours, and a chat with a LD canvasser I know.
If you are after a tip from someone on the internet you've never met, try LD under 10 seats, which is 2.75 with BETFRED and should be odds-on.
Welcome.
Thanks for the tip, but I'm sticking with the LDs under 27.5 seats at 5/6 on (from a month back).
According to my twitter timeline, that Sun front page is proof that Murdoch and the Tories are scared that Corbyn is going to win on Thursday
No surprises there. Are they all too young to remember The Sun sticking the boot into every opposition leader since the dawn of time - Kinnock 'lights out', Salmond 'you'll put Scotland's head in the noose'?
Corbyn's problem is that he has given people far too much ammo with some highly unwise associations over the years, hence the attempts to clean him up will never work.
My pub quiz team name last night was "If Jeremy Corbyn wins on Thursday, will the last person to leave Britain please turn off the lights". Got a massive round of applause - in Dubai, 3,500 miles away!
Three-year lurker unlurking here. I'll start with a vote of thanks.
1. To those PBers, especially those with their ears close to the floor, who give genuine tips and analysis. Special thanks to Meeks for the PVV/VVD shout and to whoever said to get on Macron while he was still odds-against. I know you'll all say it was you. Payouts from political bets haven't exactly bought me a new car, but they've covered my car insurance over the last 24 months.
2. OGH, TSE and any other contributors/editors/mods. This the least douchey place on the internet for political chat, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
3. Anyone who actually knocks on doors, stumps up a deposit or stands, for all the obvious reasons.
4. NPXMP, who is my mum and dad's old MP. They have met you and Soubry and think you are nicer.
How do I see the election going? Something like CON44, LAB33, LD8, for a CON maj of just under triple figures and a rough night for Tim Farron. Higher than most anticipate, and I'm led that way primarily by the anonymous tales of woe on Labour Uncut, Bloomberg etc over the last 48 hours, and a chat with a LD canvasser I know.
If you are after a tip from someone on the internet you've never met, try LD under 10 seats, which is 2.75 with BETFRED and should be odds-on.
I love it when lurkers delurk - especially with a corker of a first post like that!
If ComRes are releasing another poll before June 8th, it shouldn't be too bad for the Tories then.
yes they are for Thursday's Independent
I expect a bit of a late move back to the Tories in the polls, after Tories net on balance were away on holiday last week for half term in many places, irrespective of anything else. These Sun and Telegraph headlines are standard end of campaign stuff. But as we've seen at recent elections, they don't have the power that they had like in yesteryear such as 1992.
One thing that we miss from elections these days is parties paying for adverts on billboards along major routes. They were a big thing back in 1992 but the internet / social media and sophisticated voter targeting software has rendered them redundant.
Not sure they called brown or miliband friends of terrorists....
I don't think any of this is that controversial though? It's fairly widely acknowledged that he wanted the IRA to degeat the British; that he's friends with some pretty unsavoury types in the Middle East, that his economic and political model is Venezuela, that his attachment to democracy is rather lukewarm. His past is an open book in this regard. I can't imagine there's that many Daily Mail waverers who were considering voting for him upuntil they saw this, anyway.
Given how much 'Corbyn will be a disaster' copy has been written for several years now, I do wonder how they will all find the new and interesting ways to express the point. I mean, Dan Hodges managed to do daily 'Ed M is crap' columns for years somehow.
I guess what we look for in these situations is how strident or confident a tone the editorials have.
What will be interesting is if the mail put their front page article really prominently on their website. Remember it is one of the world's most visited websites and especially among middle class centre / centre left ladies who go for the gossip / celebrity tittle tattle.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
You would think the sun thought Corbyn had a chance.
No, they will expose his flaws, Relentlessly.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did a wrap around on election day itself.
I certainly expect to see tactical voting advice and the like in the mail, express and sun. In 2015, they had tactical voting against Labour in the Daily Mail and the Sun.
Mortimer, that's sensational value - you could make it effectively a free bet if you backed the 10-19 band almost anywhere else. I have banned myself from the exchanges, though, for the same reason I've banned myself from getting Sky Sports when the cricket's on - I'd never go to bed, or to work.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
She should have stayed on This Week.
Her and Portillo were a great duo.
Portillo also sounded a lot more reasonable back then. Now he may as well be a parrot for CCHQ.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
I think Abbott has had several high profile gaffes which have, to the extent that these things do at least, cut through to regular people.
I mean, it's only a comedy site, and one that is not really a fan of Corbyn or May, but anecdotally I bet a lot of people can appreciate this point
FRIENDS and families torn apart by politics are coming together and healing over the crapness of Diane Abbott.
This Newsnight focus group doesn't match up with the opinion polls.
Shit - all pro Corbyn?
Its Walsall.
My model (104 majority) does not have Tories winning Walsall.
Walsall would be c.150 majority.
Based on my phoning tonight I think the Tories have every chance of winning Walsall, though Walsall North is only 23rd on the Tory target list, Walsall South is 70th
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
She's black and therefore she's a suitable hate target for those who are influenceable by that filthy publication, which is many millions of people. It's not as if there's an intelligence or decency of character qualification for joining the electorate.
Much of the Daily Mail's readership won't care about social care if the question is put to them in terms of will they vote for a black woman who's trying to tell them what's what in their own country.
Mail and Sun readers should admit who they are and get their white hoods on.
I am still soliciting serious suggestions for where I might emigrate to. From people who wish me the best, that is. Not who would like me to get killed.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
She should have stayed on This Week.
Her and Portillo were a great duo.
Portillo also sounded a lot more reasonable back then. Now he may as well be a parrot for CCHQ.
Rubbish. Portillo is as independent a Tory as you can get.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
She's black and therefore she's a suitable hate target for those who are influenceable by that filthy publication, which is many millions of people. It's not as if there's an intelligence or decency of character qualification for joining the electorate.
Nor for joining the Labour party since Ed Miliband changed the rules........
True, the Conservative campaign has not been flawless and Mrs May will doubtless have learnt from the experience.
Just wait for the Exit poll with Jezza ahead!
Not an entrancing prospect. Look, if he gets smashed, maybe the LDs will get another go at trying to become the main opposition, like Farron said was the goal in the manifesto.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
You've clearly not been canvassing.
Diane cuts through more than the other two - yet to meet anyone but a die hard Corbynista who likes her.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
She should have stayed on This Week.
Her and Portillo were a great duo.
Portillo also sounded a lot more reasonable back then. Now he may as well be a parrot for CCHQ.
Rubbish. Portillo is as independent a Tory as you can get.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
Not sure The Mail should have featured Dianne. To most people she's that quaintly eccentric leftie who spent many years cuddling up on a sofa with Michael 'Who Dares Wins" Portillo - hardly the stuff of nightmares. Still, I'm sure Mr Dacre knows his audience.
You've clearly not been canvassing.
Diane cuts through more than the other two - yet to meet anyone but a die hard Corbynista who likes her.
I overheard several people at work talking about her today - none of it remotely positive.
The Mail has all cannons firing. And firing. And firing. Pics of bloody IRA victims, JC at CND rally, JC not singing the National Anthem, Hamas 'friends' with rocket launchers, Gerry Adams huddled with JC, more bomb victims.... anti-police stuff, immigration stuff... all in one long, long article. Bloody hell.
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I'm on the LD under 10 - currently 3.7 at betfair exchange. Started backing at 8.......right down to 4.something
We just need to make it clear that anyone travelling to Libya or Syria without good reason can expect to not be allowed back, and if they're British citizens they can expect to be put on trial for treason. The trial and the jury are important though, we don't intern people without charging them with an offence.
So Jezza shared a platform with ultra orthodox Jews, and the Israeli group Just Peace.
The article describes clearly the Al Mujarhadoon were an unwelcome disruptive group heckled by other elements of the rally.
which do not I feel accurately reflect the whole picture
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/872212742186389506
This is why it will take me a good long while even after Corbyn before I'd consider trusting the British Labour Party with any grown up decisions again.
Corbyn comes off as more personable/charismatic than Ed M did in 2015. That's why. Most voters will not know about his past either.
ps, You should try walking the Causeway. It is an eerie experience. Like a sci-fi set.
I don't know why, but for some reason though it is a truly amazingly hostile headline, I am less offended than that 'Crush the Saboteurs' one. I guess because it is only focusing on three people?
I've got all my eggs in one basket with the betting, some lucky buggers managed to get 1.31 on the majority this morning. I still predict a 90 majority.
One thing that we miss from elections these days is parties paying for adverts on billboards along major routes. They were a big thing back in 1992 but the internet / social media and sophisticated voter targeting software has rendered them redundant.
Mr Branch, on the other hand, is very possibly not doing any Conservative or media owner bidding at all.
Whatever happens on Thursday, I wish the Tories had gone stronger on Labour's manifesto.
Thanks for the tip, but I'm sticking with the LDs under 27.5 seats at 5/6 on (from a month back).
Finally out of solitary, my thanks to Robert, isam and Mike
Rod and Plato next?
Put them down as a "maybe"
Plenty of praise for Jezza on leadership and even on security topics.
Matches the polling... Corbynism sweeping the nation.
*still looks as grim as I recall, I lived there for 6 months as a junior doctor. Great hospital social club booze ups in those days.
I can't imagine there's that many Daily Mail waverers who were considering voting for him upuntil they saw this, anyway.
Think it was down to the excellent song isam posted on my behalf last night!
I guess what we look for in these situations is how strident or confident a tone the editorials have.
My model (104 majority) does not have Tories winning Walsall.
Walsall would be c.150 majority.
Owe you a pint for the excellent SPIN tips on Brexit in England/Wales!
It wouldn't surprise me if they did a wrap around on election day itself.
I certainly expect to see tactical voting advice and the like in the mail, express and sun. In 2015, they had tactical voting against Labour in the Daily Mail and the Sun.
Some classic understatement there.
Her and Portillo were a great duo.
Portillo also sounded a lot more reasonable back then. Now he may as well be a parrot for CCHQ.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4578368/Jeremy-Corbyn-tells-activists-underestimated-us.html
I mean, it's only a comedy site, and one that is not really a fan of Corbyn or May, but anecdotally I bet a lot of people can appreciate this point
FRIENDS and families torn apart by politics are coming together and healing over the crapness of Diane Abbott.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/divided-nation-bonds-over-diane-abbotts-crapness-20170606128946
Much of the Daily Mail's readership won't care about social care if the question is put to them in terms of will they vote for a black woman who's trying to tell them what's what in their own country.
Mail and Sun readers should admit who they are and get their white hoods on.
I am still soliciting serious suggestions for where I might emigrate to. From people who wish me the best, that is. Not who would like me to get killed.
He is also the best PM we never had....
Diane cuts through more than the other two - yet to meet anyone but a die hard Corbynista who likes her.
WHO DARES WINS
WE dare! WE will WIN!!!
The Mail has all cannons firing. And firing. And firing. Pics of bloody IRA victims, JC at CND rally, JC not singing the National Anthem, Hamas 'friends' with rocket launchers, Gerry Adams huddled with JC, more bomb victims.... anti-police stuff, immigration stuff... all in one long, long article. Bloody hell.
I have never seen anything like it.