A letter from Emily Thornberry asking for one final push. One million young people have registered to vote for the first time. With a final pre election contribution they will be able to do a nationwide map of polling stations (I guess that's in case the 1,000,000 new voters can't find their way).
Thank God they don't do IQ tests!
What is really needed is a couple of hours of power cut on Thurday evening, then when the TV and the Xboxes stop working, and they cant get online, those students might consider getting off their butts and going to vote
Without that they will stay on line, forget to vote, and spend the rest of the night in a huge petulant strop on Snapchat and Twitter because the Tories won.
Two people in the last two days have raised the election with me whilst I was chatting to them about something else entirely. One in a cricket score box and one at work
Both said more or less the same thing - no good parties to vote for this time. Got the impression the first would vote against Corbyn, the second has one child at uni and another in 6th form, said you've got to vote for your own self-interest if there's nothing else to vote for, implying one in the bag for the red team based in tuition fees despite there being clearly no general enthusiasm for Labour otherwise.
Both people I would have had down as natural tories demographically - white, middle aged men, well-ish off. But who knows.
Quite surprised and a mild about of bedwetting may occur as a result :-/
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
Assuming Labour stays in opposition, his odds of re-election in London are surely higher than 70%? Winning as a Tory in the capital is becoming harder every year; even Boris only managed it by being gifted past-his-best Ken as an opponent.
A letter from Emily Thornberry asking for one final push. One million young people have registered to vote for the first time. With a final pre election contribution they will be able to do a nationwide map of polling stations (I guess that's in case the 1,000,000 new voters can't find their way).
Thank God they don't do IQ tests!
What is really needed is a couple of hours of power cut on Thurday evening, then when the TV and the Xboxes stop working, and they cant get online, those students might consider getting off their butts and going to vote
Without that they will stay on line, forget to vote, and spend the rest of the night in a huge petulant strop on Snapchat and Twitter because the Tories won.
You could be right. We had power cuts during the February 1974 campaign. Worked surprisingly well for Labour.
Theresa May as Home Secretary: -Stopped control orders.
Fake News. They were ruled incompatible with (Labour's) Human Rights Act
May voted against them.
Quite right too. They were incompatible with the Human Rights Act and unlawful under Article 6 ECHR, not to mention opposed by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, JUSTICE and Liberty. Labour bought forth a complete horlicks of a law and tried to force it through parliament, quite a lot of Labour MPs voted against it!
Well they will be introduced again very shortly.
Not unless we leave the ECHR, which we should, but won't.
Lord Carlille reviewer of terrorism legislation does not agree with you.States that they were justified proportional and used as a last resort.Has slammed the decision of the conservatives to abolish them.
They might have been, but the High Court disagreed. Which bit of that is hard for you to understand.
A high court judge branded the government's system of control orders against terrorism suspects "an affront to justice" yesterday and ruled that they breached human rights laws.
If the government tries to bring forward similar laws and we are still in the ECHR, they will be struck down for the same reasons, its not that complicated.
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
Increased knife crime is May's fault. She insisted on ending stop and search against police wishes. No love for either of them tho. There is something about him that is very untrustworthy.
Today Corbyn is visiting 4 Labour seats in North East. The average Lab majority in the seats is 9,084, or 22.9%. Why is Labour so defensive? (Michael Cricks tweet)
Am i reading too much into this? Why would he be in these seats with 3 days to go?
Do leaders' visits help local candidates to win?
Even having Liam Fox in W&L discomforted some Lib Dems
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
Londoners don't want him to do anything. He can't really anyway and apart from those "brought to you by LondonMayor" signs on the tube most people would be hard pressed to name anything he is in charge of (buses?). Which is as it should be. He was a perfectly blank canvas for London at the time.
Theresa May as Home Secretary: -Stopped control orders.
Fake News. They were ruled incompatible with (Labour's) Human Rights Act
May voted against them.
Quite right too. They were incompatible with the Human Rights Act and unlawful under Article 6 ECHR, not to mention opposed by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, JUSTICE and Liberty. Labour bought forth a complete horlicks of a law and tried to force it through parliament, quite a lot of Labour MPs voted against it!
Well they will be introduced again very shortly.
Not unless we leave the ECHR, which we should, but won't.
Lord Carlille reviewer of terrorism legislation does not agree with you.States that they were justified proportional and used as a last resort.Has slammed the decision of the conservatives to abolish them.
That would be Liberal Democrat peer Lord Carlille who signed off on those provisions before they were introduced?
They gave some distinctly unsavoury people a free run through our courts at enormous public expense generating negative publicity and making these sick psychos look persecuted. Giving up on them was an outbreak of sanity.
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
Increased knife crime is May's fault. She insisted on ending stop and search against police wishes. No love for either of them tho. There is something about him that is very untrustworthy.
Yeah. Ending stop and search was BOLLOCKS. But I don't see Sadiq clamouring to reintroduce it.
Ofcourse not, May ended it because of endless harping on from Labour about how it was ethnic profiling by the back door.
Oh, I wasn't expecting that to work TBH. Not after yesterday.
I wish to apologise for the flame war in which I was involved yesterday with somebody who shall remain anonymous. I don't wish to dwell on the matter, but suffice it to say I have an abiding personal loathing of bullies, which is what internet trolls are. If this were Twitter I would solve through mute and block, but sadly the mechanism is not available here.
That aside, no new thoughts. On topic, I'm siding with the punters: I don't see how May doesn't win this election, regardless of the problems with the campaign.
Still won't be happy until the exit poll comes out though.
46.4m registered for the 2015 GE so registration only back to what it was before IER, despite population growth.
Is there population growth of British citizens (who would be eligible) or is it driven by immigration (who might not be eligible) ?
I expect the majority of it to be based on greater life expectancy, but good Q.
On a similar tack, those inclined to draw a connection between local and national elections should remember that EU citizens are entitled to vote in the former but not in the latter. I don't know if this would make a difference, but there are reputed to be 3m EU residents here.
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
Increased knife crime is May's fault. She insisted on ending stop and search against police wishes. No love for either of them tho. There is something about him that is very untrustworthy.
Yeah. Ending stop and search was BOLLOCKS. But I don't see Sadiq clamouring to reintroduce it.
Ofcourse not, May ended it because of endless harping on from Labour about how it was ethnic profiling by the back door.
We're back to the 'racism is worse than stabbing' fallacy.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
Theresa May as Home Secretary: -Stopped control orders.
Fake News. They were ruled incompatible with (Labour's) Human Rights Act
May voted against them.
Quite right too. They were incompatible with the Human Rights Act and unlawful under Article 6 ECHR, not to mention opposed by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, JUSTICE and Liberty. Labour bought forth a complete horlicks of a law and tried to force it through parliament, quite a lot of Labour MPs voted against it!
Well they will be introduced again very shortly.
Not unless we leave the ECHR, which we should, but won't.
Lord Carlille reviewer of terrorism legislation does not agree with you.States that they were justified proportional and used as a last resort.Has slammed the decision of the conservatives to abolish them.
That would be Liberal Democrat peer Lord Carlille who signed off on those provisions before they were introduced?
They gave some distinctly unsavoury people a free run through our courts at enormous public expense generating negative publicity and making these sick psychos look persecuted. Giving up on them was an outbreak of sanity.
I will see if you still agree with them thoughts when they are re introduced by May under a different name.
Standing back and looking at the overall picture, there can be only one conclusion. To say that the Act does not give the respondent in this case, against whom a non-derogating control order has been made by the Secretary of State, a fair hearing in the determination of his rights under Article 8 of the Convention would be an understatement. The court would be failing in its duty under the 1998 Act, a duty imposed upon the court by Parliament, if it did not say, loud and clear, that the procedure under the Act whereby the court merely reviews the lawfulness of the Secretary of State's decision to make the order upon the basis of the material available to him at that earlier stage are conspicuously unfair. The thin veneer of legality which is sought to be applied by section 3 of the Act cannot disguise the reality. That controlees' rights under the Convention are being determined not by an independent court in compliance with Article 6.1, but by executive decision-making, untrammelled by any prospect of effective judicial supervision.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Don't think the candidate makes much difference if the swing is big enough tbh. However I'd imagine Dover unlikely to be a beacon for a pro immigration party somehow.
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
He is the first Muslim Mayor in a major western city .Also the son of a bus driver . Working class lad made good .
It's enough for the first six months, I'd have thought. But eventually you have to start doing *something*
"What is to be done?" As a Londoner, what changes would you like that fall within the Mayor's remit? All I can remember about Boris's 8-year stint is (a) he kept Ken and his mates out of office and (b) he introduced a network of clunky bicycles that still bear his name. If Khan goes 4 years without causing any damage it will be enough to secure re-election, though by then he may be needed elsewhere.
Oh, I wasn't expecting that to work TBH. Not after yesterday.
I wish to apologise for the flame war in which I was involved yesterday with somebody who shall remain anonymous. I don't wish to dwell on the matter, but suffice it to say I have an abiding personal loathing of bullies, which is what internet trolls are. If this were Twitter I would solve through mute and block, but sadly the mechanism is not available here.
That aside, no new thoughts. On topic, I'm siding with the punters: I don't see how May doesn't win this election, regardless of the problems with the campaign.
Still won't be happy until the exit poll comes out though.
It's not being done by PooGov, is it? If so - disregard.
That's a higher conversion of applications to registrations than we saw in 2015. Which suggests a lot of the "I have no idea whether I am registered already" duplicate applications found out the answer last year.
Why is Sadiq popular? H's done F all except preside over increased knife crime and cancelled a bridge.
Genuine confuzzled. He seems like an empty space to me, and not even charismatic in that Boris way. Answers welcome.
He is the first Muslim Mayor in a major western city .Also the son of a bus driver . Working class lad made good .
It's enough for the first six months, I'd have thought. But eventually you have to start doing *something*
"What is to be done?" As a Londoner, what changes would you like that fall within the Mayor's remit? All I can remember about Boris's 8-year stint is (a) he kept Ken and his mates out of office and (b) he introduced a network of clunky bicycles that still bear his name. If Khan goes 4 years without causing any damage it will be enough to secure re-election, though by then he may be needed elsewhere.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
Correct, the UKIP candidate this time hasn't bothered to visit the constituency, kippers won't be voting for young Stacey. For a polling company to call it "leaning Labour" is ridiculous, I had lunch with Elphicke and he's confident of an increased majority.
As I said I have no idea how they're arriving at this conclusion but it makes even more certain of a huge Conservative win.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
Corbyn is a rank nasty disgusting evil barsteward of the highest order. Not fit to lace the shoelaces of Roy Mason although he does see fit to lick Gerry Adams' arse. What an odious pile of rancid vomit that man is.
Corbyn is a rank nasty disgusting evil barsteward of the highest order. Not fit to lace the shoelaces of Roy Mason although he does see fit to lick Gerry Adams' arse. What an odious pile of rancid vomit that man is.
Corbyn is a rank nasty disgusting evil barsteward of the highest order. Not fit to lace the shoelaces of Roy Mason although he does see fit to lick Gerry Adams' arse. What an odious pile of rancid vomit that man is.
Somewhat understated but he does have better connections with these scum than any civilised person should.
Theresa May is 1.21 on Betfair to be next PM. Even if the Yougov is correct and Labour are running close in Canterbury, High Peak & Pudsey that still looks huge to me. I've gone back in :E
Standing back and looking at the overall picture, there can be only one conclusion. To say that the Act does not give the respondent in this case, against whom a non-derogating control order has been made by the Secretary of State, a fair hearing in the determination of his rights under Article 8 of the Convention would be an understatement. The court would be failing in its duty under the 1998 Act, a duty imposed upon the court by Parliament, if it did not say, loud and clear, that the procedure under the Act whereby the court merely reviews the lawfulness of the Secretary of State's decision to make the order upon the basis of the material available to him at that earlier stage are conspicuously unfair. The thin veneer of legality which is sought to be applied by section 3 of the Act cannot disguise the reality. That controlees' rights under the Convention are being determined not by an independent court in compliance with Article 6.1, but by executive decision-making, untrammelled by any prospect of effective judicial supervision.
Hardly fake the conservatives did abolish them through parliament.
Oh, I wasn't expecting that to work TBH. Not after yesterday.
I wish to apologise for the flame war in which I was involved yesterday with somebody who shall remain anonymous. I don't wish to dwell on the matter, but suffice it to say I have an abiding personal loathing of bullies, which is what internet trolls are. If this were Twitter I would solve through mute and block, but sadly the mechanism is not available here.
That aside, no new thoughts. On topic, I'm siding with the punters: I don't see how May doesn't win this election, regardless of the problems with the campaign.
Still won't be happy until the exit poll comes out though.
It's not being done by PooGov, is it? If so - disregard.
I can't remember the details of all involved, but I'm pretty sure that this exit poll is being done by Ipsos Mori and that John Curtice is somehow involved as well, just like last time.
The exit polls have been reasonable accurate in each of the past several elections.
As they go down to vote, Da Yoof are all going to be wearing Jezza Flip-Flops....
Unless it's raining. In which case, fuck it.
Ah, the weather-turnout relationship... Well, it's a bit early to tell but it looks as though it might be peeing down on Thursday in the North and in Wales. +5 seats to the Tories?
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
I have campaigned for Charlie
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
That is great, show it is still a vocation for many.
@SouthamObserver was correct at the time of the attack I reckon, Saturday Night at Borough Mkt is one of the quietest times of the week there. For one thing the market is closed, and secondly the city crowd are not about. The Wheatsheaf and Brindisa will still be packed, but they always are. Strange timing really
I have just learnt that a fellow employee was one of those attacked and is now in a coma after surgery.
Puts all the rest in perspective.
This attack came close to more Londoners than most. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because Borough Market is so quintessential to modern, exciting London - and also the Shard. And it's near to lots of newspaper and media offices, so the journalism was immediate?
I was in the Market with my daughter the day the attack happened, in the very same bakery where some people took shelter, and we stood outside the restaurant that got shot up hours later.
My best female friend was there that night, and had to run and hide.
I've got other friends and acquaintances with similar stories
This one really hit home. I hope your colleague recovers.
I think that it's because almost everyone that visits or lives in London has done Borough Market and/or the Shard. For some reason this attack has made everything feel a lot more 'real' for me than any other in the past decade since 7/7.
Whereas I can't place myself at an Ariana Grande concert, or walking on the streets outside Westminster at midday. Borough Market on a Saturday night? Most of us have done that, and it could have been us.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
That is indeed truly humbling. (Mental note not to complain about doctors' pensions for at least 6 months).
Theresa May is 1.21 on Betfair to be next PM. Even if the Yougov is correct and Labour are running close in Canterbury, High Peak & Pudsey that still looks huge to me. I've gone back in :E
Con Majority has drifted out to 1.28 as well, if you fancy some of that.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
Theresa May is 1.21 on Betfair to be next PM. Even if the Yougov is correct and Labour are running close in Canterbury, High Peak & Pudsey that still looks huge to me. I've gone back in :E
Con Majority has drifted out to 1.28 as well, if you fancy some of that.
May PM has more margin. All the derivatives are crazily priced right now. Pick your bet.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
I have campaigned for Charlie
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
Ah but Dover is "leaning Labour".
1 or 2 pollsters could easily go out of business I'm afraid.
Theresa May is 1.21 on Betfair to be next PM. Even if the Yougov is correct and Labour are running close in Canterbury, High Peak & Pudsey that still looks huge to me. I've gone back in :E
Con Majority has drifted out to 1.28 as well, if you fancy some of that.
I'm completely split on how this election will go, firstly I seem to be seeing signs of the Con core slowly falling apart, but this is mostly in the safe shires, so if the polls are right then the Con majority should be greater than polls indicate. On the other hand, polls have massive weightings applied for shy Tories, what if there aren't as many as before? In which case gains could be an awful lot more limited.
Hardly fake the conservatives did abolish them through parliament.
Christ on a bike.
The Court ruled them to be incompatible with the HRA and the ECHR, after which the government could not use the law without every case being challenged in Brussells and Strasbourg, the court cannot actually disapply the law though, that has to be done by parliament and so it was.
The new TPIM order (which I will agree is far too feeble) is the absolute most the government could pass and not be ruled incompatible with the ECHR and the HRA. If the government tries to do the same again, they will be ruled against again.
The answer is to amend the HRA, and to resile from the ECHR, which we will have to do anyway if we want to control our borders from arriving terrorists, because of the way Article 5 is being interpreted by the courts. Labour will oppose both.
FWIW Corbyn is speaking in Gateshead tonight. Gateshead...
Does it really matter where he is? 99.999% of people get their information via mediums of one sort or another, not by being in a specific location.
But why bother? This seat is going red no matter what. We've not even had any Lib Dem or Tory literature. Nothing at all!
Labour are probably worried about a potential swing to the Tories in Northumberland and Teeside, perhaps Gateshead is the most obvious place to hold a rally for those areas.
Quite. I suspect this has more to do with Darlington and Bishop Auckland than Gateshead.
or maybe we should ignore where corbyn goes as he only meets with hoades of adoring fans anyway.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
Corbyn is a rank nasty disgusting evil barsteward of the highest order. Not fit to lace the shoelaces of Roy Mason although he does see fit to lick Gerry Adams' arse. What an odious pile of rancid vomit that man is.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
I have campaigned for Charlie
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
Ah but Dover is "leaning Labour".
1 or 2 pollsters could easily go out of business I'm afraid.
The weird thing is that they just walk away from this nonsense. And then produce more. Which is listened to. The only ones I can recall disappearing were that Canadian bunch who did an election (maybe 2015?) and then gave up.
Is it too early to nominate @The_Apocalypse as poster of the year? Open-minded, sticks up for herself but prepared to take on board different views? And of course outside the standard PB demographic.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
Yokal said something the other night about joining these dots.
Today Corbyn is visiting 4 Labour seats in North East. The average Lab majority in the seats is 9,084, or 22.9%. Why is Labour so defensive?
A good question Mr Crick.
Beat me to it! But very odd..
Simples. When the campaign started we were 20%+ behind in the polls. Which meant we were on track to lose places like Hartlepool to the Tories.
Labour haven't changed their plans since then?
I think that Gordon Brown visited mostly Safe Labour or Semi- marginal seats from 2005 in the GE in 2010. I think they did this because outside of Labour, Brown was very unpopular. I suspect the same might be true with Corbyn. The left love him but anyone who is anything other than Labour are not well disposed to him. That is 70% of the population in all probability!
My memory is that Brown and Blair went round campaigning together with Bown as Blairs human shield as he was so unpopular with the labour faithful. They kept buying each othe ice creams as I recall to show that they really likedveach other. Oh how we laughed.
Is it too early to nominate @The_Apocalypse as poster of the year? Open-minded, sticks up for herself but prepared to take on board different views? And of course outside the standard PB demographic.
Wow....Thanks!
I think there are many other posters on here more deserving of that title though, I don't think my posts are that insightful.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
I have campaigned for Charlie
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
Ah but Dover is "leaning Labour".
1 or 2 pollsters could easily go out of business I'm afraid.
The weird thing is that they just walk away from this nonsense. And then produce more. Which is listened to. The only ones I can recall disappearing were that Canadian bunch who did an election (maybe 2015?) and then gave up.
'Conservatives on course for majority the same size as two weeks ago' does not sell nearly as well as 'Tory lead COLLAPSES', 'CORBYN on course for SHOCK TRIUMPH'.
LOL, who's done that? If I were to guess I'd say it's The Sun.
Given that the cliffs are around 100m/350' high, that's at least a 100' tall, umm, erection.
Dover is another seat in Kent YouGov are giving a "leaning Labour" flavour to, but not by as much as Canterbury.
This tells me that the polling is just plain wrong. The Labour candidate is in her 20s, miles out of her depth, Elphicke is best price 1/200 to win.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
Dover is proper UKIP country. They got 10,000 votes there in 2015, up from 1,000 in 2010 while Labour remained stable. Even if Elphicke was in trouble, some of those former UKIP voters will surely be coming to his rescue.
I have campaigned for Charlie
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
Ah but Dover is "leaning Labour".
1 or 2 pollsters could easily go out of business I'm afraid.
The weird thing is that they just walk away from this nonsense. And then produce more. Which is listened to. The only ones I can recall disappearing were that Canadian bunch who did an election (maybe 2015?) and then gave up.
I'm genuinely puzzled, to call a seat where the tory is 1/200 "leading Labour" is unfathomable. It convinces me their entire MO is flawed in some way.
I think it could be the other way around. The Democrats will likely take the House next year, get overconfident and pick a left liberal like Warren who Trump will beat having been forced to the centre.
In London Alan Sugar loathes Khan judging by his Twitter feed and having endorsed May in this general election might be tempted to run in the Tory primary, he would certainly have a better chance of beating Khan than Goldsmith did
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
I have just learnt that a fellow employee was one of those attacked and is now in a coma after surgery.
Puts all the rest in perspective.
This attack came close to more Londoners than most. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because Borough Market is so quintessential to modern, exciting London - and also the Shard. And it's near to lots of newspaper and media offices, so the journalism was immediate?
I was in the Market with my daughter the day the attack happened, in the very same bakery where some people took shelter, and we stood outside the restaurant that got shot up hours later.
My best female friend was there that night, and had to run and hide.
I've got other friends and acquaintances with similar stories
This one really hit home. I hope your colleague recovers.
I think that it's because almost everyone that visits or lives in London has done Borough Market and/or the Shard. For some reason this attack has made everything feel a lot more 'real' for me than any other in the past decade since 7/7.
Whereas I can't place myself at an Ariana Grande concert, or walking on the streets outside Westminster at midday. Borough Market on a Saturday night? Most of us have done that, and it could have been us.
I cannot imagine myself at an Ariana Grande concert but I have dropped children off at concerts and gone to some with them. So that felt real too. There was something especially cruel about targeting excited youngsters at that age when they are children but on the brink of turning a little bit adult and beginning to do adult things - trying on make up but still (secretly) keen on teddies - and their parents, wanting them to enjoy themselves but not yet able to let them go by themselves. Such a precious time.
Anywhere, any time, any one of us.
Still, fuck'em. They're scumbags. We've survived and beaten other losers. We'll survive and beat this latest lot too.
I'm completely split on how this election will go, firstly I seem to be seeing signs of the Con core slowly falling apart, but this is mostly in the safe shires, so if the polls are right then the Con majority should be greater than polls indicate. On the other hand, polls have massive weightings applied for shy Tories, what if there aren't as many as before? In which case gains could be an awful lot more limited.
There may be a lot of potential for the Shy Tory Problem to rear its ugly head again this time. Remember, the Conservatives are looking for gains in traditional Labour areas - in the Midlands, and especially up North - where there is a long cultural Labour tradition, and people can feel very embarrassed about owning up to their intention to vote Tory.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
Is it too early to nominate @The_Apocalypse as poster of the year? Open-minded, sticks up for herself but prepared to take on board different views? And of course outside the standard PB demographic.
Wow....Thanks!
I think there are many other posters on here more deserving of that title though, I don't think my posts are that insightful.
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
consensus at my workplace seems to be Birmingham is next
- large muslim population - disaffected young preferring C7 to C21 - all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
Is it too early to nominate @The_Apocalypse as poster of the year? Open-minded, sticks up for herself but prepared to take on board different views? And of course outside the standard PB demographic.
Peter Salliss passes away peacefully at the ripe old age of 96
I loved Last of the Summer Wine. Sad news, but a good innings.
Oh no. He will forever be Wallace from Wallace and Gromit. For me anyway. The number of times our family has watched those films...... masterpieces each and every one though The Wrong Trousers still edges it for me.
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Without that they will stay on line, forget to vote, and spend the rest of the night in a huge petulant strop on Snapchat and Twitter because the Tories won.
Both said more or less the same thing - no good parties to vote for this time. Got the impression the first would vote against Corbyn, the second has one child at uni and another in 6th form, said you've got to vote for your own self-interest if there's nothing else to vote for, implying one in the bag for the red team based in tuition fees despite there being clearly no general enthusiasm for Labour otherwise.
Both people I would have had down as natural tories demographically - white, middle aged men, well-ish off. But who knows.
Quite surprised and a mild about of bedwetting may occur as a result :-/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/apr/13/humanrights.terrorism
A high court judge branded the government's system of control orders against terrorism suspects "an affront to justice" yesterday and ruled that they breached human rights laws.
If the government tries to bring forward similar laws and we are still in the ECHR, they will be struck down for the same reasons, its not that complicated.
Puts all the rest in perspective.
They gave some distinctly unsavoury people a free run through our courts at enormous public expense generating negative publicity and making these sick psychos look persecuted. Giving up on them was an outbreak of sanity.
I wish to apologise for the flame war in which I was involved yesterday with somebody who shall remain anonymous. I don't wish to dwell on the matter, but suffice it to say I have an abiding personal loathing of bullies, which is what internet trolls are. If this were Twitter I would solve through mute and block, but sadly the mechanism is not available here.
That aside, no new thoughts. On topic, I'm siding with the punters: I don't see how May doesn't win this election, regardless of the problems with the campaign.
Still won't be happy until the exit poll comes out though.
No idea how or why but they are massively overstating Labour's chances.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/corbyn-condemns-liverpool-attacks/
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/871753145445208064
Liverpool attacks?
Unless it's raining. In which case, fuck it.
Here is the case.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2006/1000.html
Standing back and looking at the overall picture, there can be only one conclusion. To say that the Act does not give the respondent in this case, against whom a non-derogating control order has been made by the Secretary of State, a fair hearing in the determination of his rights under Article 8 of the Convention would be an understatement. The court would be failing in its duty under the 1998 Act, a duty imposed upon the court by Parliament, if it did not say, loud and clear, that the procedure under the Act whereby the court merely reviews the lawfulness of the Secretary of State's decision to make the order upon the basis of the material available to him at that earlier stage are conspicuously unfair. The thin veneer of legality which is sought to be applied by section 3 of the Act cannot disguise the reality. That controlees' rights under the Convention are being determined not by an independent court in compliance with Article 6.1, but by executive decision-making, untrammelled by any prospect of effective judicial supervision.
Hasting and Rye -13% ukip
Canterbury-14% ukip.
All lean labour? Clearly that is a bug of the model showing some funny results. Or they have not accounted for the collapse of the ukio vote properly.
Do they have any going the other way? Like suprising Tory leans?
Miss Cyclefree, I hope your colleague is ok.
In such emergencies, the NHS shines. I found that out for myself last year.
As I said I have no idea how they're arriving at this conclusion but it makes even more certain of a huge Conservative win.
http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2017_by_time.php
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attack-trauma-surgeon-malach-ramadan-van-bridge-borough-market-stabbing-victims-not-speak-a7772846.html
This bit leapt out to me:
"Dr Ramadhan said the reason so many people were able to come in and work was because they had been waiting for something like the attack to happen.
He said people working in trauma and emergency care had recently not been doing what they would usually do on a Saturday night.
“People are ready. The major trauma system in London has been preparing for something to happen" he explained. “So doctors like myself who might be going to Borough to see friends... on Saturday night we had a lot of people who were completely sober and ready to help the public"."
The quiet way in which some of our citizens give up part of their private life as a precaution for the rest of us is humbling.
What an odious pile of rancid vomit that man is.
The exit polls have been reasonable accurate in each of the past several elections. Ah, the weather-turnout relationship... Well, it's a bit early to tell but it looks as though it might be peeing down on Thursday in the North and in Wales. +5 seats to the Tories? +1
There is NO WAY he is going to loose this seat.,
And i am happy to take bets from those who think he
@SouthamObserver was correct at the time of the attack I reckon, Saturday Night at Borough Mkt is one of the quietest times of the week there. For one thing the market is closed, and secondly the city crowd are not about. The Wheatsheaf and Brindisa will still be packed, but they always are. Strange timing really
Whereas I can't place myself at an Ariana Grande concert, or walking on the streets outside Westminster at midday. Borough Market on a Saturday night? Most of us have done that, and it could have been us.
- large muslim population
- disaffected young preferring C7 to C21
- all attacks have been started by locals
the grim betting is that Broad Street ( weekend funspot ) is most likely target
1 or 2 pollsters could easily go out of business I'm afraid.
The Court ruled them to be incompatible with the HRA and the ECHR, after which the government could not use the law without every case being challenged in Brussells and Strasbourg, the court cannot actually disapply the law though, that has to be done by parliament and so it was.
The new TPIM order (which I will agree is far too feeble) is the absolute most the government could pass and not be ruled incompatible with the ECHR and the HRA. If the government tries to do the same again, they will be ruled against again.
The answer is to amend the HRA, and to resile from the ECHR, which we will have to do anyway if we want to control our borders from arriving terrorists, because of the way Article 5 is being interpreted by the courts. Labour will oppose both.
Oh how we laughed.
I think there are many other posters on here more deserving of that title though, I don't think my posts are that insightful.
I think it could be the other way around. The Democrats will likely take the House next year, get overconfident and pick a left liberal like Warren who Trump will beat having been forced to the centre.
In London Alan Sugar loathes Khan judging by his Twitter feed and having endorsed May in this general election might be tempted to run in the Tory primary, he would certainly have a better chance of beating Khan than Goldsmith did
Anywhere, any time, any one of us.
Still, fuck'em. They're scumbags. We've survived and beaten other losers. We'll survive and beat this latest lot too.
Doubts? Read this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labour-voters-fear-friends-and-family-will-disown-them-for-switching-to-tories-huffpost-edelman-focus-group_uk_59205461e4b03b485cb1e86b
It's absolutely extraordinary. Some of these people sound as if they're confessing to a crime.
This campaign really can't come to an end soon enough.
RIP