Corbyn's call for May to resign isn't aimed at the political junkies but Joe Bloggs who sees a reasonable relationship between massive police cuts and terror attacks. Put simply :
"May cut 20,000 coppers and here we are today."
From my experience most people who aren't political junkies understand the reason for terrorist attacks is terrorists.
See edmundintokyo @ 12:30pm
Yes, but what i'm saying is that actually it is about appealing to his base of political junkie conspiracy theorist loons, this won't have an effect on joe bloggs.
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
He's no pacifist. He's super comfortable with violence - as long as it is violence conducted in support of a cause he likes. Even now many 'Tory scum' Labour MPs are physically intimated by his Momentum boot boys putting bricks through their windows. Or try being a Jew in the Labour party.
@PA: #Breaking Jeremy Corbyn says he backs similar calls by "very responsible people" who are "very worried" about her record
Ooh...is something about to come out?
May is probably in the lead at the moment, but she is not stable. A collapse of her support is more likely than a collapse of Labour's. The Tory attackers have already thrown everything they've got at Corbyn and he's still standing.
May's husband Philip works for Capital Group, which has a big presence in Saudi. Is that what's coming? Which clients does he manage relationships with?
Why? The Tories have consistently been over 40% for months, that will not change in 3 days, Corbyn is only up because he is squeezing the LDs and UKIP and the Greens, there is no net movement from Tory to Labour as most Tories won't touch him with a bargepole, indeed most polls show a small net movement from Labour to Tory since 2015
As for Hilton Cameron hates him.now after he backed Leave and now the rest of the Tory Party will hate him too
Even today's ICM poll had more 2015 Con voters moving to Labour than vice versa 72 to 64 ,
He's no pacifist. He's super comfortable with violence - as long as it is violence conducted in support of a cause he likes. Even now many 'Tory scum' Labour MPs are physically intimated by his Momentum boot boys putting bricks through their windows. Or try being a Jew in the Labour party.
But yes - pretty damning, suspect all the more powerful because delivered by an apparently independent police officer...
No, don't google it at work.
Frotting is pithier, and doesn't have the Frenchified cadence that you patriotic Anglo dry humpers would, I'm sure, deplore.
Frottage is a completely innocent word in French - it just means rubbing - including making a brass rubbing, which gives a lot of scope for comedic misunderstandings.
Does it have any sexual connotation in French, or have they gone down the 'le dry humping' road?
I don't know and would be very cautious about who I asked; it's quite likely it has re-crossed the channel as frottage but with added Anglo Saxon innuendo.
Francois Rabelais - C16 Gargantua - se frottant leur lard
One wonders how much screaming down the phone this followed.
what was the original wording?
Something like: "I attended COBRA this morning, where we were updated by the PM and the security services. They’re doing everything they can to keep us safe"
No they do not, they really do not. What they need is some serious leaders who will really take an axe to the back office and concentrate on doing the job they are paid for. Some progress has been made in this respect in recent years but there are still far too many "civvies" employed in jobs that actually only exist to give work to other "civvies".
The budget cuts on the police were imposed by the Treasury (that was TSE's great mate, Osborne) and not by the Home Office. How those cuts were implemented was decided by each individual force (in practice by its Chief Officer) not the Home Secretary. Some forces cut more from the frontline than others. Most, if not all, still kept on far too many back-office staff. Possibly because the committees and working parties who decided where the axes will fall were overloaded with senior back office staff (ain't no HR director on a six figure salary going to propose a cut in the HR department).
When police forces have got their back office functions and staffing levels back to those of the 1980's then they might have a genuine gripe about funding. Until then the Police need to put their own house in order.
As an aside Police and Crime Commissioners might just be held to account for the state of their police force. If people don't like the way the cuts have been implemented they might perhaps vote for someone else rather than on simple party lines.
Friend of mine works on cost-cutting reform in the police in the South of England. She said there were lots of redundant processes that needed to be automated in the back office - like making people pay things online rather than letting them send in cheques for instance.
That said - we should be wary about just assuming back office is useless and needs to be slashed. That's how you end up with BA IT outsourcing nightmares... But definitely true that you have to keep up with changing, more efficient ways of working...
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
Corbyn's call for May to resign isn't aimed at the political junkies but Joe Bloggs who sees a reasonable relationships between massive police cuts and terror attacks. Put simply :
"May cut 20,000 coppers and here we are today."
Right, it's like Trump's Lock Her Up line. It excites the base, but that's not the point. What matters is that it makes low-information floating voters dimly perceive that there might be something worth locking her up over.
May isn't an MP. But she is PM. And as we've seen in the coverage over the last 24 hours she's taking a lot of flack for cutting police numbers so deeply. And its something thats been a live issue in my town for a couple of years. So handcuffing May to the cuts will resonate, and provides a rebuttal to what the Tories are trying to do in pinning responsibility for terrorism onto Corbyn
You are both understanding it well. It's not at all a stupid move by Corbyn. It's bright. This may be the reason that some Tories are foaming at the mouth with hatred and shouting "cretin".
This may be the first election for 20 years where Labour gets some effective blows in during the last few days.
And it looks to me as though it's the first blow in a case of "the old one-two". We shall find out.
Depends how naive you believe the British public are. Most people will now know Corbyn's past record on terrorism (and being friends of terrorist organisations), and all of the associated baggage. Now, in a last desperate stunt to shift the news agenda, he's asking for the PM to resign.
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
One wonders how much screaming down the phone this followed.
what was the original wording?
Something like: "I attended COBRA this morning, where we were updated by the PM and the security services. They’re doing everything they can to keep us safe"
I can see why Corbyn might not think that helpful
But petty and mean spirited looking of the Mayor to bother retweeting.
Get the Parliamentary video of Corbyn defending Isis supporters featured on Guido into the mainstream and he is finished. Vital to counter the totally dishonest Labour attack.
Shoot to kill is simple. If there is no alternative then fine, do it. If there is any chance of safely protecting the public and leaving them alive then that HAS to be the best option.
These jihadists are a brilliant source of intelligence. A thorough interrogation is something we should be aiming for if possible.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
To be fair to Jeremy Corbyn he did say that a win for Labour would be the best way of ensuring that Theresa May could not preside over more cuts to policing. She has been the Home Secretary for so long and then Prime Minister so she must bear some responsibility for system failures.
In asking for her to resign he is underlining the extent of her culpability.
May has already blatently played politics with this issue.
Corbyn's call for May to resign isn't aimed at the political junkies but Joe Bloggs who sees a reasonable relationships between massive police cuts and terror attacks. Put simply :
"May cut 20,000 coppers and here we are today."
Right, it's like Trump's Lock Her Up line. It excites the base, but that's not the point. What matters is that it makes low-information floating voters dimly perceive that there might be something worth locking her up over.
May isn't an MP. But she is PM. And as we've seen in the coverage over the last 24 hours she's taking a lot of flack for cutting police numbers so deeply. And its something thats been a live issue in my town for a couple of years. So handcuffing May to the cuts will resonate, and provides a rebuttal to what the Tories are trying to do in pinning responsibility for terrorism onto Corbyn
You are both understanding it well. It's not at all a stupid move by Corbyn. It's bright. This may be the reason that some Tories are foaming at the mouth with hatred and shouting "cretin".
This may be the first election for 20 years where Labour gets some effective blows in during the last few days.
And it looks to me as though it's the first blow in a case of "the old one-two". We shall find out.
Are you talking your book as much as you were in the French election, btw?
Every labour politician will now be quizzed if he was right to politicise the attack
May politicised it yesterday. Next.
Quite so. i've not been very critical of that either. Actually it's a bit ridiculous that we shouldn't be having a debate during an election marked by terrorist attacks on whether the right policies on terrorism are being followed. Are we really supposed to say "Never mind about all that, what about the culture budget"?
Shoot to kill is simple. If there is no alternative then fine, do it. If there is any chance of safely protecting the public and leaving them alive then that HAS to be the best option.
These jihadists are a brilliant source of intelligence. A thorough interrogation is something we should be aiming for if possible.
who in their right mind is going to walk up to a bloke wearing an exploisives vest and ask him to surrender ?
this is like WW2 in the Pacific where they shot the Japs rather than take them prisoner
One wonders how much screaming down the phone this followed.
what was the original wording?
Something like: "I attended COBRA this morning, where we were updated by the PM and the security services. They’re doing everything they can to keep us safe"
I can see why Corbyn might not think that helpful
But petty and mean spirited looking of the Mayor to bother retweeting.
Yes. But then he is an idiot. Not a dangerous idiot (per @RichardNabavi earlier) but an ambitious idiot
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
How did we become a world in which low-information voters have the most power?
Shoot to kill is simple. If there is no alternative then fine, do it. If there is any chance of safely protecting the public and leaving them alive then that HAS to be the best option.
These jihadists are a brilliant source of intelligence. A thorough interrogation is something we should be aiming for if possible.
who in their right mind is going to walk up to a bloke wearing an exploisives vest and ask him to surrender ?
this is like WW2 in the Pacific where they shot the Japs rather than take them prisoner
Not all of them have vests. We're also raiding other addresses and making more arrests. Good. Arrest the bastards, drain them dry of info. Not bothered what happens to them after that.
Turns out Corbyn was asked a question about whether he would support calls from others for her to resign, and said yes but there's an election soon which can achieve it. Not a planned gambit.
She blundered badly by saying the police were 'crying wolf' over the cuts because they're not being restrained in their criticisms of her now, and they will cut through to the public far more easily than the armchair experts here talking about cutting backroom elements and more efficient management and the like. Very difficult to present coppers as heroes demonstrably putting their lives on the line one day and money-grubbing whingers the next.
"Why then is my forecast so bullish about the Conservatives' prospects? In part, it's because of movement I expect to happen between now and the day of the election in the polls. I described how I model this in a previous post, but generally Labour do badly in the run-in to elections."
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
How did we become a world in which low-information voters have the most power?
Every labour politician will now be quizzed if he was right to politicise the attack
May politicised it yesterday. Next.
Quite so. i've not been very critical of that either. Actually it's a bit ridiculous that we shouldn't be having a debate during an election marked by terrorist attacks on whether the right policies on terrorism are being followed. Are we really supposed to say "Never mind about all that, what about the culture budget"?
...maybe we should divert more of the culture budget to ...erm...reinforcing our own culture...as opposed to their barbaric medieval death cult....just saying...
Corbyn's call for May to resign isn't aimed at the political junkies but Joe Bloggs who sees a reasonable relationships between massive police cuts and terror attacks. Put simply :
"May cut 20,000 coppers and here we are today."
Right, it's like Trump's Lock Her Up line. It excites the base, but that's not the point. What matters is that it makes low-information floating voters dimly perceive that there might be something worth locking her up over.
May isn't an MP. But she is PM. And as we've seen in the coverage over the last 24 hours she's taking a lot of flack for cutting police numbers so deeply. And its something thats been a live issue in my town for a couple of years. So handcuffing May to the cuts will resonate, and provides a rebuttal to what the Tories are trying to do in pinning responsibility for terrorism onto Corbyn
You are both understanding it well. It's not at all a stupid move by Corbyn. It's bright. This may be the reason that some Tories are foaming at the mouth with hatred and shouting "cretin".
This may be the first election for 20 years where Labour gets some effective blows in during the last few days.
And it looks to me as though it's the first blow in a case of "the old one-two". We shall find out.
Are you talking your book as much as you were in the French election, btw?
My investment in laying a Con maj is well green (it's risen 35% in value; I laid at 1.17). I'm hoping to increase it a lot, not to sell it. That's the only item in my book. How is yours?
Depends how naive you believe the British public are. Most people will now know Corbyn's past record on terrorism (and being friends of terrorist organisations), and all of the associated baggage. Now, in a last desperate stunt to shift the news agenda, he's asking for the PM to resign.
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
Judge Corbyn on what he said and May by what she has done - "judge me on my record" she said. And her record is directly implicated in this terrorist hell we're in. Jeremy hasn't cut a single police officer's job, a single Border Force job, a single PCSO job - May did all of that.
But because his philosophy is "to stop violence you all need to talk" its his fault apparently. How naive do you think the British people are? The solution to the Norther Irish civil war was dialogue as everyone recognises. Talking to the IRA shock is less shock when the commander of the Belfast Brigade for many years was Deputy First Minister and Education Minister.
Go ask people scared to go out at night whats has the biggest impact on their lives. The visible lack of police officers? Or a story in the Sun about what Corbyn said a decade ago?
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
How did we become a world in which low-information voters have the most power?
Think that's been under discussion since the Reform Acts!
But communicating one idea or factoid to a low-information voter is likely to have a greater swaying influence than communicating one idea or factoid to a high-information voter, since the latter has other information available to sway them. Information you can broadcast to lower-information voters is several times more valuable than to high-information voters.
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
Depends how naive you believe the British public are. Most people will now know Corbyn's past record on terrorism (and being friends of terrorist organisations), and all of the associated baggage. Now, in a last desperate stunt to shift the news agenda, he's asking for the PM to resign.
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
Judge Corbyn on what he said and May by what she has done - "judge me on my record" she said. And her record is directly implicated in this terrorist hell we're in. Jeremy hasn't cut a single police officer's job, a single Border Force job, a single PCSO job - May did all of that.
But because his philosophy is "to stop violence you all need to talk" its his fault apparently. How naive do you think the British people are? The solution to the Norther Irish civil war was dialogue as everyone recognises. Talking to the IRA shock is less shock when the commander of the Belfast Brigade for many years was Deputy First Minister and Education Minister.
Go ask people scared to go out at night whats has the biggest impact on their lives. The visible lack of police officers? Or a story in the Sun about what Corbyn said a decade ago?
But to do that he has to defend his own record of voting against all anti terror legislation and why they were all wrong.
That price on selling Plaid seats of 3.6 seems interesting given they only have three seats now. I suppose you are betting against them winning Ynys Mon (where they are favoured) or Cerdigion (where they are competitive). I do think the three seats they have are fairly safe though. When you look at the regional polling for their "strongholds", I think the regions as defined aren't helpful. "North Wales" has 9 seats, and only three of them have Plaid being historically competitive. In parts of NE Wales they struggle to save the deposit. Similarly "Mid and West Wales" covers 8 seats, only a couple of which would have any Plaid history, and some of which like Montgomeryshire have Plaid losing their deposit. So the regional splits don't tell you much, but I would have thought that there is no chance they lose the two in the predominatly Welsh speaking areas, and Camarthen East should be fairly safe as well
I'm not a fan of analysing subsamples, which is an exercise similar to examining chicken entrails. I do want to take this head on though. As you note, "Mid and West" has eight seats. Two of these Carmarthen E & Dinefwr and Dwyfor Meirionnydd) Plaid Cymru hold, one of which (Ceredigion) is one of their two main prospects and one of which (Llanelli) is a lurker for them. Admittedly the other four seats are hopeless for them. But the YouGov subsample shows them polling just 9% in this region, fourth behind the Lib Dems. In 2015 they would have been polling just under 20% in this region. If they are losing so many votes in this area - and I hesitate to draw conclusions from subsamples - it's almost impossible to see how they are doing so without doing so in seats they hold or are in serious contention in.
Of course, subsamples are subsamples. But still you have to wonder whether they are going to suffer a calamity.
Thanks Alastair. I see what you are saying, but the extreme skewing within these regions of the Plaid support means that in addition to the usual pitfalls of subsamples, you would also be assuming that the subsample was somewhat evenly balanced accross the region. If the small to begin with Mid Wales sample is skewed away from the coast, then it will likely give a horrible result for Plaid. Is there any corroborating evidence that Plaid are in trouble in their own seats ?
Depends how naive you believe the British public are. Most people will now know Corbyn's past record on terrorism (and being friends of terrorist organisations), and all of the associated baggage. Now, in a last desperate stunt to shift the news agenda, he's asking for the PM to resign.
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
Judge Corbyn on what he said and May by what she has done - "judge me on my record" she said. And her record is directly implicated in this terrorist hell we're in. Jeremy hasn't cut a single police officer's job, a single Border Force job, a single PCSO job - May did all of that.
But because his philosophy is "to stop violence you all need to talk" its his fault apparently. How naive do you think the British people are? The solution to the Norther Irish civil war was dialogue as everyone recognises. Talking to the IRA shock is less shock when the commander of the Belfast Brigade for many years was Deputy First Minister and Education Minister.
Go ask people scared to go out at night whats has the biggest impact on their lives. The visible lack of police officers? Or a story in the Sun about what Corbyn said a decade ago?
Are you saying those attacks could have been stopped if we had more PCSOs? Don't be silly, man. No amount of Police Officers could stop a determined attack by anyone.
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
How did we become a world in which low-information voters have the most power?
We live in a Rob Peter To Pay Paul world. Paul has more votes. And spent his formative years in the state education system.
Corbyn's call for May to resign isn't aimed at the political junkies but Joe Bloggs who sees a reasonable relationships between massive police cuts and terror attacks. Put simply :
"May cut 20,000 coppers and here we are today."
Right, it's like Trump's Lock Her Up line. It excites the base, but that's not the point. What matters is that it makes low-information floating voters dimly perceive that there might be something worth locking her up over.
May isn't an MP. But she is PM. And as we've seen in the coverage over the last 24 hours she's taking a lot of flack for cutting police numbers so deeply. And its something thats been a live issue in my town for a couple of years. So handcuffing May to the cuts will resonate, and provides a rebuttal to what the Tories are trying to do in pinning responsibility for terrorism onto Corbyn
You are both understanding it well. It's not at all a stupid move by Corbyn. It's bright. This may be the reason that some Tories are foaming at the mouth with hatred and shouting "cretin".
This may be the first election for 20 years where Labour gets some effective blows in during the last few days.
And it looks to me as though it's the first blow in a case of "the old one-two". We shall find out.
Given that he's just reversed, hard, what do you think the "old two" will be?
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
As another poster said on here, several times, in the Hansard record there is Ted Heath saying that joining the EU will mean a political union (I paraphrase a bit). If everyone on here is so stupid not to have read that then it's their fault.
Corbyn has said many things over the last 30 years and if everyone on here is so stupid not to believe it it's their fault.
No they do not, they really do not. What they need is some serious leaders who will really take an axe to the back office and concentrate on doing the job they are paid for. Some progress has been made in this respect in recent years but there are still far too many "civvies" employed in jobs that actually only exist to give work to other "civvies".
The budget cuts on the police were imposed by the Treasury (that was TSE's great mate, Osborne) and not by the Home Office. How those cuts were implemented was decided by each individual force (in practice by its Chief Officer) not the Home Secretary. Some forces cut more from the frontline than others. Most, if not all, still kept on far too many back-office staff. Possibly because the committees and working parties who decided where the axes will fall were overloaded with senior back office staff (ain't no HR director on a six figure salary going to propose a cut in the HR department).
When police forces have got their back office functions and staffing levels back to those of the 1980's then they might have a genuine gripe about funding. Until then the Police need to put their own house in order.
As an aside Police and Crime Commissioners might just be held to account for the state of their police force. If people don't like the way the cuts have been implemented they might perhaps vote for someone else rather than on simple party lines.
Friend of mine works on cost-cutting reform in the police in the South of England. She said there were lots of redundant processes that needed to be automated in the back office - like making people pay things online rather than letting them send in cheques for instance.
That said - we should be wary about just assuming back office is useless and needs to be slashed. That's how you end up with BA IT outsourcing nightmares... But definitely true that you have to keep up with changing, more efficient ways of working...
Well said. As one example, the various police forces used to have individual vehicle procurement for cars, vans and ever helicopters. The latter are now arranged mutually for the whole of England, with commonality of fleet type and huge savings in servicing costs and downtime windows.
The Federation should really be aiming their ire at chief constables and elected commissioners, but they prefer to parrot Labour's line about measuring inputs (number of people) rather than outputs like crime rates and incident response times.
Yesterday they could have led a countrywide show of love for those who protect us, instead of voicing support for theose who think of the terrorists as their friends.
Weather looks pretty awful on Thursday in a lot of places. Will the yoof drop their Xbox or PS4 controllers and get down to their polling station if it's pissing it down?
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
Bring it on. I'm on Hammond, Hunt, Rudd at 100/1 and Boris at 50/1 to be PM after the next GE.
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Wonder who would get the job in this purely hypothetical situation. One of Rudd, Johnson or Hammond I guess, with Rudd probably having the best claim today.
I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
This is of course true, but oddly the floating voters they're fighting for are pretty much the same: White, low-information, middle-aged-to-elderly, formerly left-voting...
How did we become a world in which low-information voters have the most power?
I worry more about those with not much longer to live having the most power.
The young have most of their lives ahead of them. The old have it mostly behind them and will die relatively soon.
I think there is a case, in all fairness, for votes to be weighted in proportion to life expectancy. The vote of a 25 year old should carry three times the weight of say a 75 year old.
Technically it would be easy to implement - we give our date of birth when we register to vote.
Politically it would be more difficult, - more difficult than introducing PR.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
Depends how naive you believe the British public are. Most people will now know Corbyn's past record on terrorism (and being friends of terrorist organisations), and all of the associated baggage. Now, in a last desperate stunt to shift the news agenda, he's asking for the PM to resign.
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
Judge Corbyn on what he said and May by what she has done - "judge me on my record" she said. And her record is directly implicated in this terrorist hell we're in. Jeremy hasn't cut a single police officer's job, a single Border Force job, a single PCSO job - May did all of that.
But because his philosophy is "to stop violence you all need to talk" its his fault apparently. How naive do you think the British people are? The solution to the Norther Irish civil war was dialogue as everyone recognises. Talking to the IRA shock is less shock when the commander of the Belfast Brigade for many years was Deputy First Minister and Education Minister.
Go ask people scared to go out at night whats has the biggest impact on their lives. The visible lack of police officers? Or a story in the Sun about what Corbyn said a decade ago?
But to do that he has to defend his own record of voting against all anti terror legislation and why they were all wrong.
He can point to the PM and Brexit Secretary joining him on some of those votes. No interviewer is going to go bill-by-bill so that slings enough mud to close off the discussion as a nil-nil draw. And then the previous Home Sec's failure to use the actual powers she had is a good place to go. May's actual record of action (inaction) is a pretty big weakness for attacks on Corbyn's past opinions.
Corbyn calling on PM to resign I see - a blatant stunt I'd hope not to work, but obviously its for the core support, who'll love it, but hopefully not others. Criticism might be valid, and necessary, but demands for resignations are rarely done except for partisan point scoring, and little to do with any culpability. If there is some too, that's just a bonus.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
Shoot to kill is simple. If there is no alternative then fine, do it. If there is any chance of safely protecting the public and leaving them alive then that HAS to be the best option.
These jihadists are a brilliant source of intelligence. A thorough interrogation is something we should be aiming for if possible.
who in their right mind is going to walk up to a bloke wearing an exploisives vest and ask him to surrender ?
this is like WW2 in the Pacific where they shot the Japs rather than take them prisoner
Not all of them have vests. We're also raiding other addresses and making more arrests. Good. Arrest the bastards, drain them dry of info. Not bothered what happens to them after that.
I imagine that wearing fake vests (as I think all 3 were?) is intended to induce a "suicide by cop" outcome? Can't think of any other reason. Not that it makes any difference to the police response - because there's no knowing whether the vest is fake or not.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Wonder who would get the job in this purely hypothetical situation. One of Rudd, Johnson or Hammond I guess, with Rudd probably having the best claim today.
Hammond or Rudd depending who has more support in cabinet, probably Rudd
Are you saying those attacks could have been stopped if we had more PCSOs? Don't be silly, man. No amount of Police Officers could stop a determined attack by anyone.
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
If you didn't have a prior commitment to Theresa May being right on this, there's no way you'd come up with the idea that 'no amount of police officers could stop a determined attack by anyone'. We've had warnings from people who actually know what they're talking about on exactly this issue:
@PA: #Breaking Jeremy Corbyn says he backs similar calls by "very responsible people" who are "very worried" about her record
Ooh...is something about to come out?
May is probably in the lead at the moment, but she is not stable. A collapse of her support is more likely than a collapse of Labour's. The Tory attackers have already thrown everything they've got at Corbyn and he's still standing.
May's husband Philip works for Capital Group, which has a big presence in Saudi. Is that what's coming? Which clients does he manage relationships with?
Why? The Tories have consistently been over 40% for months, that will not change in 3 days, Corbyn is only up because he is squeezing the LDs and UKIP and the Greens, there is no net movement from Tory to Labour as most Tories won't touch him with a bargepole, indeed most polls show a small net movement from Labour to Tory since 2015
As for Hilton Cameron hates him.now after he backed Leave and now the rest of the Tory Party will hate him too
Even today's ICM poll had more 2015 Con voters moving to Labour than vice versa 72 to 64 ,
Wrong, today's ICM actually has 15% of 2015 Labour voters going Tory and only 11% of 2015 Tory voters going Labour
Just got the final-week leaflet from our (excellent) local Lib Dem candidate. Majors on the NHS; also covers dementia tax and school funding. Not a single mention of Brexit anywhere on it.
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Wonder who would get the job in this purely hypothetical situation. One of Rudd, Johnson or Hammond I guess, with Rudd probably having the best claim today.
Hammond or Rudd depending who has more support in cabinet, probably Rudd
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
Laura Kuenssberg was serving CCHQ as usual when she sneered that the Tories would have to elect a new leader within three days. If Theresa May resigned today, she would be asked to stay on as caretaker.
If May chucked the nuclear button down and said "The hell with you all!" - or if the revelation was so bad that she had no option but to leave immediately in abject disgrace - the monarch might ask David Cameron to be short-term caretaker. Or it could be Philip Hammond.
Email just received of May and Boris planning a rally in a surprising Labour seat tomorrow.
That won't be by accident.
Sedgefield, Bolsover or Islington N?
If it's a decapitation strategy I'd say Islington South or Hayes and Harlington, the latter having the biggest UKIP vote to eat. Gunning for Thornberry or McDonnell?
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Wonder who would get the job in this purely hypothetical situation. One of Rudd, Johnson or Hammond I guess, with Rudd probably having the best claim today.
Hammond or Rudd depending who has more support in cabinet, probably Rudd
They are both at 300 on Betfair.
Yeah I'm not tipping it, I'm discussing with Jonathan a highly unlikely what if.
Are you saying those attacks could have been stopped if we had more PCSOs? Don't be silly, man. No amount of Police Officers could stop a determined attack by anyone.
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
If you didn't have a prior commitment to Theresa May being right on this, there's no way you'd come up with the idea that 'no amount of police officers could stop a determined attack by anyone'. We've had warnings from people who actually know what they're talking about on exactly this issue:
No amount of any officers, armed or unarmed, could stop every single attack, it's simply impossible. One determined person could sneak through, no matter what the circumstances.
This is the last dying, desperate effort by the Corbynistas to change the narrative via a clumsy and transparent political stunt.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
My neighboring seat-no way this will happen. Brazier is popular amongst the Oldies and is seen as a good constituency MP (personally i dont like him) the labour candidate is not great.
Brazier will walk this and i would not waste any money on the Lab candidate.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
So, mad but curious question. What if something happened that caused Theresa May to resign as PM/Tory Leader today.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
The cabinet would agree who would take the role of PM and the Queen would summon them. Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Wonder who would get the job in this purely hypothetical situation. One of Rudd, Johnson or Hammond I guess, with Rudd probably having the best claim today.
Hammond or Rudd depending who has more support in cabinet, probably Rudd
Rudd seems to be more in favour with TM. Which might suggest she wouldn't get it if TM is discredited?
IMO spreadsheet Phil is still a safe pair of hands and Amber Rudd is awful but who am I to guess the minds of Tory MPs?
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
YouGov's election model has Labour slightly ahead in Canterbury where the Tories have a majority of almost 10,000 votes and the result last time was Con 43% Lab 25%.
My neighboring seat-no way this will happen. Brazier is popular amongst the Oldies and is seen as a good constituency MP (personally i dont like him) the labour candidate is not great.
Brazier will walk this and i would not waste any money on the Lab candidate.
There are also 7,000 UKIP votes from 2015 for the Tories to squeeze.
Brazier held on in 1997 so doubt he will be going this time.
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I'm sorry but the Trump/Corbyn parallels only go so far. In reality their voter base is somewhat different.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/london-terrorist-appeared-channel-4-jihadi-documentary-tried/
Edit - I hate the keyboard on my computer
"rubbing their bacon" as the two backed beast
She said there were lots of redundant processes that needed to be automated in the back office - like making people pay things online rather than letting them send in cheques for instance.
That said - we should be wary about just assuming back office is useless and needs to be slashed. That's how you end up with BA IT outsourcing nightmares... But definitely true that you have to keep up with changing, more efficient ways of working...
If you believe Corbyn is on safe ground on this subject, then you are a bigger fool than he is.
These jihadists are a brilliant source of intelligence. A thorough interrogation is something we should be aiming for if possible.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/871693140759019521
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
In asking for her to resign he is underlining the extent of her culpability.
May has already blatently played politics with this issue.
this is like WW2 in the Pacific where they shot the Japs rather than take them prisoner
She blundered badly by saying the police were 'crying wolf' over the cuts because they're not being restrained in their criticisms of her now, and they will cut through to the public far more easily than the armchair experts here talking about cutting backroom elements and more efficient management and the like. Very difficult to present coppers as heroes demonstrably putting their lives on the line one day and money-grubbing whingers the next.
"Why then is my forecast so bullish about the Conservatives' prospects? In part, it's because of movement I expect to happen between now and the day of the election in the polls. I described how I model this in a previous post, but generally Labour do badly in the run-in to elections."
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-final-straight-5336d7e03406
Lies emblazoned the side of buses endorsed by senior politicians, and "we have had enough of experts" as a campaign slogan
But because his philosophy is "to stop violence you all need to talk" its his fault apparently. How naive do you think the British people are? The solution to the Norther Irish civil war was dialogue as everyone recognises. Talking to the IRA shock is less shock when the commander of the Belfast Brigade for many years was Deputy First Minister and Education Minister.
Go ask people scared to go out at night whats has the biggest impact on their lives. The visible lack of police officers? Or a story in the Sun about what Corbyn said a decade ago?
But communicating one idea or factoid to a low-information voter is likely to have a greater swaying influence than communicating one idea or factoid to a high-information voter, since the latter has other information available to sway them. Information you can broadcast to lower-information voters is several times more valuable than to high-information voters.
Whilst hugely unlikely (and doesn't have to be May in this hypothetical case), but wonder what would happen if a Tory PM had to go. She doesn't have a deputy in the same way as Corbyn.
Could the Tory party elect a new leader and would the Queen appoint her in a day? Who might it be?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/871696751077601282
as opposed to lies endorsed by "experts" and peddled by senior politicans on TV
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
If the current state of the polling companies does not cure you of your delusion that "expert" is a synonym of "prophet", nothing will.
Post election they would continue as PM if they commanded the confidence of Parliament and the Tories would have to sort out who was the leader of the party. Major was PM but not leader of the party after he resigned in 1995 until reelected by the PCP.
Corbyn has said many things over the last 30 years and if everyone on here is so stupid not to believe it it's their fault.
The Federation should really be aiming their ire at chief constables and elected commissioners, but they prefer to parrot Labour's line about measuring inputs (number of people) rather than outputs like crime rates and incident response times.
Yesterday they could have led a countrywide show of love for those who protect us, instead of voicing support for theose who think of the terrorists as their friends.
The young have most of their lives ahead of them. The old have it mostly behind them and will die relatively soon.
I think there is a case, in all fairness, for votes to be weighted in proportion to life expectancy.
The vote of a 25 year old should carry three times the weight of say a 75 year old.
Technically it would be easy to implement - we give our date of birth when we register to vote.
Politically it would be more difficult, - more difficult than introducing PR.
Didn't even happen at the peak of Blair's prowess.
Are you saying those attacks could have been stopped if we had more PCSOs? Don't be silly, man. No amount of Police Officers could stop a determined attack by anyone.
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
If you didn't have a prior commitment to Theresa May being right on this, there's no way you'd come up with the idea that 'no amount of police officers could stop a determined attack by anyone'. We've had warnings from people who actually know what they're talking about on exactly this issue:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/london-terror-attack-bridge-borough-latest-firearms-officer-government-wrong-police-cuts-theresa-may-a7772506.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-warned-by-manchester-police-that-cuts-risked-terror-attack-2017-5?r=UK&IR=T
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-police-cuts-slammed-by-jim-gamble-former-northern-ireland-counter-terror-chief_uk_5934603ee4b02478cb9cb0dd
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-34877031/police-cuts-terror-response-warning-to-theresa-may
That won't be by accident.
I have NEVER heard so much tripe in all my life.
https://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/
If May chucked the nuclear button down and said "The hell with you all!" - or if the revelation was so bad that she had no option but to leave immediately in abject disgrace - the monarch might ask David Cameron to be short-term caretaker. Or it could be Philip Hammond.
Con gain Bootle?
https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/corbyn-mcdonnell-abbott-voted-to-allow-isis-fighters-to-return-to-britain/
Full list of who voted what
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2014-05-07&number=266&display=allvotes&sort=name
Corbyn has spent his whole career giving succour to our enemies, then performs an absurd u-turn 3 days before a GE, on the behest of Seamus Milne. Please.
If you didn't have a prior commitment to Theresa May being right on this, there's no way you'd come up with the idea that 'no amount of police officers could stop a determined attack by anyone'. We've had warnings from people who actually know what they're talking about on exactly this issue:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/london-terror-attack-bridge-borough-latest-firearms-officer-government-wrong-police-cuts-theresa-may-a7772506.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-warned-by-manchester-police-that-cuts-risked-terror-attack-2017-5?r=UK&IR=T
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-police-cuts-slammed-by-jim-gamble-former-northern-ireland-counter-terror-chief_uk_5934603ee4b02478cb9cb0dd
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-34877031/police-cuts-terror-response-warning-to-theresa-may
No amount of any officers, armed or unarmed, could stop every single attack, it's simply impossible. One determined person could sneak through, no matter what the circumstances.
This is the last dying, desperate effort by the Corbynistas to change the narrative via a clumsy and transparent political stunt.
Corbyn tough on terror.................mmmm, ok.
Brazier will walk this and i would not waste any money on the Lab candidate.
Perhaps she believes The Labour candidate will fare better than she did in 2001.
Personally, I wouldn't put money on it.
IMO spreadsheet Phil is still a safe pair of hands and Amber Rudd is awful but who am I to guess the minds of Tory MPs?
*titter*
If you're a Tory party member in the South, you've probably received the same email.
Momentum students gaming the system much?
Brazier held on in 1997 so doubt he will be going this time.