Jesus. My daughter and I and her mum were EXACTLY in that spot, this afternoon. That pavement in that photo
This gets far too close.
So what the F do we do now? Another pathetic vigil? Tea-candles? Hashtags?
Fuck that shit. Fuck it to hell and back
Don't forget your twitter and facebook "twibbon"...
When tragedy becomes regular it becomes mundane. it's amazing how much places can carry on normally after even worse events, once they become the norm. Depressing and uplifting at the same time.
If this is another of the sort of events as we now immediately presume, I have no idea what a reaction should even be. We spend so much time in doubt, worrying about overreaction to the point of inaction. Beyond me.
Same Holly Jones just said someone in handcuffs just marched past her by police.
Of course it won't be easy clearing the streets of drunks on a hot summer's day. There's about 10 pubs within 100 metres between London Bridge and Borough tube.
Its ok, this time next week, PM Jezza will sort it all out.
Ffs give it a rest.
A f##king terrorist sympathizer leads your party, it is an absolute disgrace.
I poked fun at Miliband, as I did with Cameron and May, a bit of a plonker but he didn't surround himself with Marxists, Communists, Anti-semites and holocaust deniers.
Speaking as the Honorary Life President of Her Majesty's Guild of Bedwetters, I feel a lot calmer today.
The Tories have a 7-9 point lead, on average. Add on a couple of points (for the reasons cited below) and they are headed for a comfortable and increased majority.
It's difficult to imagine what might happen now that will change this. The Zulu surge has stopped. Silence reigns as the corpses rot. The Tory redoubt is battered, but unbroken. Michael Caine is sweating with relief in the burning bushveld sun, and Lynton "Hooky" Crosby is paring his nails with his blooded bayonet.
Imagine for a second if Messina polling has had Tory 45% throughout and Labour never above 35%. And with no special info, I have just hypothesizing from the campaign that is a logical conclusion.
If that is the result, we are all going to look like right plonkers.
However if they are wrong, oh fuckty fuck....there is going to be blue on blue murder.
will the labour VAT bribe take them over the edge ??
Seem to remember you can't cut VAT under EU rules.
Speaking as the Honorary Life President of Her Majesty's Guild of Bedwetters, I feel a lot calmer today.
The Tories have a 7-9 point lead, on average. Add on a couple of points (for the reasons cited below) and they are headed for a comfortable and increased majority.
It's difficult to imagine what might happen now that will change this. The Zulu surge has stopped. Silence reigns as the corpses rot. The Tory redoubt is battered, but unbroken. Michael Caine is sweating with relief in the burning bushveld sun, and Lynton "Hooky" Crosby is paring his nails with his blooded bayonet.
Imagine for a second if Messina polling has had Tory 45% throughout and Labour never above 35%. And with no special info, I have just hypothesizing from the campaign that is a logical conclusion.
If that is the result, we are all going to look like right plonkers.
However if they are wrong, oh fuckty fuck....there is going to be blue on blue murder.
will the labour VAT bribe take them over the edge ??
Seem to remember you can't cut VAT under EU rules.
Me thinks this is what Messina polls are telling the Tories. At least that would explain the lack of panic and seeming like little need to go nuclear and just skip interviews and debates.
Yes, every day that goes by without Project Fear suggests Tories are comfortable with the situation, and they can let the press get on with mobilising their vote.
I would agree, if the data they are getting matches some of the narrower tory poll leads I would have expected one last ditch vicious attack in the media and it hasn't happened yet.
So I think their data shows a narrowing but still a decent majority (their data/feedback could be wrong of course) so no panic.
My wobbles (no party affiliation but very anti Corbyn) have steadied in the past 48 hours and I've expressed already that I think there is nothing particularly special about the youth vote this time around and am expecting an increased Tory majority. Tonight has certainly helped reinforce my views and has been a good evening for Tory tickers. The one poll wildly outside my expectations is the one (survation) with the easiest to find flaws.
Well, when I was leafleting and canvassing this morning voters were looking me in the eye. Admittedly to the average voter the two deliveries per day from Farron's team reinforce the message of the Andrew Neil interview that he is a man who knows he has lost, and lost big.
Speaking as the Honorary Life President of Her Majesty's Guild of Bedwetters, I feel a lot calmer today.
The Tories have a 7-9 point lead, on average. Add on a couple of points (for the reasons cited below) and they are headed for a comfortable and increased majority.
It's difficult to imagine what might happen now that will change this. The Zulu surge has stopped. Silence reigns as the corpses rot. The Tory redoubt is battered, but unbroken. Michael Caine is sweating with relief in the burning bushveld sun, and Lynton "Hooky" Crosby is paring his nails with his blooded bayonet.
Imagine for a second if Messina polling has had Tory 45% throughout and Labour never above 35%. And with no special info, I have just hypothesizing from the campaign that is a logical conclusion.
If that is the result, we are all going to look like right plonkers.
However if they are wrong, oh fuckty fuck....there is going to be blue on blue murder.
will the labour VAT bribe take them over the edge ??
Seem to remember you can't cut VAT under EU rules.
Yes you can. We did a few years ago. You can't take something out of VAT once it's been included.
Its ok, this time next week, PM Jezza will sort it all out.
Ffs give it a rest.
A f##king terrorist sympathizer leads your party, it is an absolute disgrace.
I poked fun at Miliband, as I did with Cameron and May, a bit of a plonker but he didn't surround himself with Marxists, Communists, Anti-semites and holocaust deniers.
Not quite as much of a disgrace as you tonight, though.
Me thinks this is what Messina polls are telling the Tories. At least that would explain the lack of panic and seeming like little need to go nuclear and just skip interviews and debates.
Yes, every day that goes by without Project Fear suggests Tories are comfortable with the situation, and they can let the press get on with mobilising their vote.
I would agree, if the data they are getting matches some of the narrower tory poll leads I would have expected one last ditch vicious attack in the media and it hasn't happened yet.
So I think their data shows a narrowing but still a decent majority (their data/feedback could be wrong of course) so no panic.
My wobbles (no party affiliation but very anti Corbyn) have steadied in the past 48 hours and I've expressed already that I think there is nothing particularly special about the youth vote this time around and am expecting an increased Tory majority. Tonight has certainly helped reinforce my views and has been a good evening for Tory tickers. The one poll wildly outside my expectations is the one (survation) with the easiest to find flaws.
Well, when I was leafleting and canvassing this morning voters were looking me in the eye. Admittedly to the average voter the two deliveries per day from Farron's team reinforce the message of the Andrew Neil interview that he is a man who knows he has lost, and lost big.
Can you just clarify that: you are saying Farron has lost his seat, and lost it big?
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Its ok, this time next week, PM Jezza will sort it all out.
Ffs give it a rest.
A f##king terrorist sympathizer leads your party, it is an absolute disgrace.
I poked fun at Miliband, as I did with Cameron and May, a bit of a plonker but he didn't surround himself with Marxists, Communists, Anti-semites and holocaust deniers.
Not quite as much of a disgrace as you tonight, though.
I make no apologises for pointing this out about Corbyn. I want a decent Labour Party led by people who don't invite terrorists to the HoC a week after trying to murder the PM.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Yes, but attempted mass casualties are rare occurrences.
Jesus. My daughter and I and her mum were EXACTLY in that spot, this afternoon. That pavement in that photo
This gets far too close.
So what the F do we do now? Another pathetic vigil? Tea-candles? Hashtags?
Fuck that shit. Fuck it to hell and back
Sorry, we have to laugh or we cry.
Like I said I want to see internment and deportations if possible. Ban foreign funding of Mosques, ban the face veil force intergration with benefits sanctions etc. Literally force people to intergrate. I'm not trying to be flippant, I really believ when you have a section of society that is unwilling to intergrate then drastic and concerted action must be taken. Yes I have made up my mind to vote UKIP now as much as it pains me to say so. They are the only ones even talking about this. Just as UKIP forced our departure from the E.U they will hopefully force politicians to face this issue head on.
We cannot go softly softly over this. their literal stated aim is to force Muslim lives who live in the west to be so unbearable so that they are forced to choose. Either the west or the caliphate in syria/Iraq. They are basically aiming for the native population to turn on the muslims here, not as others have suggested to try to curtail democracy in the West, they dont care about that.
I want a strong robust statement from May not the usual they will not change our way of lives bs. Sorry that is not enough.
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
I could have saved you the shoe leather ....
Con Landslide ....
I do have blisters today, actually.
But, it is very, very interesting to actually talk to real people.
Met a lovely lady yesterday - 91 next week, German, from Wuppertal, came here in '49, became a British citizen in 1950. Lost 10 members her family in an Allied raid in '43. Voting for Mrs May because she wants her to implement Brexit...
Best I ever met was a guy in Brum from the Welsh Valleys, was a life-long Labour man, coincidentally also 90 years old, never going to change his vote. But he invited me in for a drink and I had a fascinating chat - he used to play the piano for the silent movies!
Ha! Fascinating. I was invited in by one chap as well. Also had a near-Sean Thomas experience with a sultry 18-year old girl on the doorstep, who was chatting to me about going clubbing the previous night etc, but subtly flashed my wedding ring and moved on.
I would caution that it was *the men* who were more anti-Corbyn than the women, who were generally more sympathetic, but mainly in vociferousness. And, even a few Brexit supporter waverers who were leaning Con were still very worried about the NHS.
Its ok, this time next week, PM Jezza will sort it all out.
Ffs give it a rest.
A f##king terrorist sympathizer leads your party, it is an absolute disgrace.
I poked fun at Miliband, as I did with Cameron and May, a bit of a plonker but he didn't surround himself with Marxists, Communists, Anti-semites and holocaust deniers.
Not quite as much of a disgrace as you tonight, though.
I make no apologises for pointing this out about Corbyn. I want a decent Labour Party led by people who don't invite terrorists to the HoC a week after trying to murder the PM.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
Unless it is multiple people, and that is only part of the attack. Saturday night packed pubs and clubs.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
They're targeting ordinary people out enjoying themselves. Just like Paris and Manchester.
The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
Hard to get enough space to be able to get up to 50mph at any other time of the week.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
That's the one saving grace with contemporary terrorism, you modern day Jihadist is often a bit of an idiot, and doesn't have the training and logistical support that terrorist of the 70s had.
The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.
It is bloody accurate.
I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.
We are going to win.
I could have saved you the shoe leather ....
Con Landslide ....
I do have blisters today, actually.
But, it is very, very interesting to actually talk to real people.
Met a lovely lady yesterday - 91 next week, German, from Wuppertal, came here in '49, became a British citizen in 1950. Lost 10 members her family in an Allied raid in '43. Voting for Mrs May because she wants her to implement Brexit...
Best I ever met was a guy in Brum from the Welsh Valleys, was a life-long Labour man, coincidentally also 90 years old, never going to change his vote. But he invited me in for a drink and I had a fascinating chat - he used to play the piano for the silent movies!
Ha! Fascinating. I was invited in by one chap as well. Also had a near-Sean Thomas experience with a sultry 18-year old girl on the doorstep, who was chatting to me about going clubbing the previous night etc, but subtly flashed my wedding ring and moved on.
I would caution that it was *the men* who were more anti-Corbyn than the women, who were generally more sympathetic, but mainly in vociferousness. And, even a few Brexit supporter waverers who were leaning Con were still very worried about the NHS.
The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
Fuck.
I hope not. Every day that campaigning is stopped is a victory for the attackers.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
That's the one saving grace with contemporary terrorism, you modern day Jihadist is often a bit of an idiot, and doesn't have the training and logistical support that terrorist of the 70s had.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
If they're not on suicide missions gives a better chance of getting away though
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
That's the one saving grace with contemporary terrorism, you modern day Jihadist is often a bit of an idiot, and doesn't have the training and logistical support that terrorist of the 70s had.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Yes, but attempted mass casualties are rare occurrences.
The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
Fuck.
We shouldn't allow these people to stop the democratic process.
Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.
Worked for me in 2015. This time it feels a bit like the circus has moved on to the next town (Plymouth in this case!)
The Corbyn surge is real, but it is confined to London, major metropolitan cities, and areas with strong student/young populations, I think.
And, bizarrely, Wales, which I thought would go strongly Tory this time.
Yes, Wales seemed to be getting more Tory, bit by bit, but the instant it looked like the Tories might win a majority, it surges back to labour, helped by the good campaign no doubt.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
There's a kebab shop by the station south of the bridge, roughly where it seems to have hit, and the Barrow Boy pub will have had smokers outside. I used to live there, and on a warm Saturday night it would be heaving.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Fuck right off you dickhead.
Get a grip and keep a sense of proportion.
Your comment could equally be applied to such things as Hillsborough.
The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
That's my suspicion. One man, one van, knocking over people, then jumping out and stabbing people. Seems the most likely explanation.
Everything else is Chinese whispers; I hope.
Seems a strange time to do it. Saturday during the day, any time during the week, and it would be chocka. Saturday night, though, there'd be comparatively fewer people around.
That area HEAVES with people on a warm Saturday evening. Borough is super trendy, lots of bars and restaurants. Massive station nearby. Fewer police at night, harder to spot nutters.
Ideal timing.
Our office is literally one minute's walk from where it happened. I know the area very well. Weekdays and weekend days are when it is absolutely rammed. My only point is that for maximum effect you would not do it on a Saturday night. It sounds horrific. It could well have been worse.
Like I said I want to see internment and deportations if possible. Ban foreign funding of Mosques, ban the face veil force intergration with benefits sanctions etc. Literally force people to intergrate. I'm not trying to be flippant, I really believ when you have a section of society that is unwilling to intergrate then drastic and concerted action must be taken. Yes I have made up my mind to vote UKIP now as much as it pains me to say so. They are the only ones even talking about this. Just as UKIP forced our departure from the E.U they will hopefully force politicians to face this issue head on.
We cannot go softly softly over this. their literal stated aim is to force Muslim lives who live in the west to be so unbearable so that they are forced to choose. Either the west or the caliphate in syria/Iraq. They are basically aiming for the native population to turn on the muslims here, not as others have suggested to try to curtail democracy in the West, they dont care about that.
I want a strong robust statement from May not the usual they will not change our way of lives bs. Sorry that is not enough.
You know who owns (at least a big share of) the Shard, much of Canary Wharf, the Olympic Village, and who bailed out Barclays, right? The Salafist state of Qatar.
Whatever has happened, the election can't be allowed to be derailed by it IMHO.
This event *will* be extremely politicised.
It's far, far too close to the General Election.
The security attacks on Corbyn from the papers should subside for a few days. I think arguments are best made on an economic level for a day or two. Tonight's event speaks for itself and I hope it does not change any minds, most people already have their mind made up on the best approach to National Security anyway.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
The election campaign just ended, really, didn't it?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
Fuck.
We shouldn't allow these people to stop the democratic process.
Lets wait and see on the gunfire. It seems to be based on one guy saying it was before the police sirens, but we don't know...it could easily that plod / SAS got there without the old neeenaaas on and took somebody out.
Would the be the widest reported drunk driver accident in history if that is the case?
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Britain, five people were killed and 70 seriously injured on the roads today, as they are every day. Lots of grieving families and shattered lives.
Comments
If this is another of the sort of events as we now immediately presume, I have no idea what a reaction should even be. We spend so much time in doubt, worrying about overreaction to the point of inaction. Beyond me.
I poked fun at Miliband, as I did with Cameron and May, a bit of a plonker but he didn't surround himself with Marxists, Communists, Anti-semites and holocaust deniers.
Of course nothing so unreliable as an eye witness
Like I said I want to see internment and deportations if possible. Ban foreign funding of Mosques, ban the face veil force intergration with benefits sanctions etc. Literally force people to intergrate. I'm not trying to be flippant, I really believ when you have a section of society that is unwilling to intergrate then drastic and concerted action must be taken. Yes I have made up my mind to vote UKIP now as much as it pains me to say so. They are the only ones even talking about this. Just as UKIP forced our departure from the E.U they will hopefully force politicians to face this issue head on.
We cannot go softly softly over this. their literal stated aim is to force Muslim lives who live in the west to be so unbearable so that they are forced to choose. Either the west or the caliphate in syria/Iraq. They are basically aiming for the native population to turn on the muslims here, not as others have suggested to try to curtail democracy in the West, they dont care about that.
I want a strong robust statement from May not the usual they will not change our way of lives bs. Sorry that is not enough.
I would caution that it was *the men* who were more anti-Corbyn than the women, who were generally more sympathetic, but mainly in vociferousness. And, even a few Brexit supporter waverers who were leaning Con were still very worried about the NHS.
In fact, the NHS came up a lot.
Where is that £350m a week?
I was out with my wife and a bunch of friends at Tower Hill, maybe half a mile away. If we'd turned right and walked to London Bridge for the Jubilee line instead of getting the DLR, as I'd considered...
Fuck.
And, bizarrely, Wales, which I thought would go strongly Tory this time.
It's far, far too close to the General Election.
Only after reallocating / deleting the DK's WNV and Refused, they end up with Con 45% Lab 35%
So a 2% gap becomes 10%. This correction was not there in 2015.
how many attempts though, how many plots underway? funny guy
You can't let these bastards win.
But then that could have been a coincidence.