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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Not now.

    Anyway, there won't be hardly any campaigning left in this GE after this - campaigning will likely stop for some days.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    Police checking the Thames.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658

    alex. said:

    Anyone a bit worried about the security of polling stations next Thursday?

    Don't start talking like that, you'll have the election postponed. The show must go on.
    I don't think so. But might see increased police/army presence in the vicinity of stations. (incidentally, as a knock on, would probably focus minds on security when people vote)
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    That won't provoke any adverse reactions, nope none whatsoever.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Someone in the water apparently.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058
    The polls are so out there any of them turn out close to the truth will probably have been an accident.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,904
    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Moron
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Even that ICM has 98% of respondents saying they are registered to vote and 73% of people saying they are 10/10 certain to vote. I find that extremely unlikely.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    That won't provoke any adverse reactions, nope none whatsoever.
    The security services know who the potential dangers are on the whole, internment may eventually be inevitable, I expect Trump would do it first
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    That won't provoke any adverse reactions, nope none whatsoever.
    Who gives a fuck. We had to bomb the Nazis. They reacted. We won.
    This isn't a conventional enemy, they don't wear uniforms, speak a different language, or carry guns. The only way to tackle this is to target the places funding the versions of islam causing these problems, such as Saudi, who we export masses of weapons to.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    kle4 said:

    The polls are so out there any of them turn out close to the truth will probably have been an accident.

    Correct.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208
    I might change my route to work. Change at Clapham on to Southern and walk from VIC. No need to cross the river.
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    I hope there are no deaths, how incredibly sad. Obviously not at all important but was saying to Mrs Brom an hour ago that I wasnt putting on my final bets until Wednesday in case of a black swan event. This is an all too familiar event in the Western World unfortunately.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    That won't provoke any adverse reactions, nope none whatsoever.
    Who gives a fuck. We had to bomb the Nazis. They reacted. We won.
    This isn't a conventional enemy, they don't wear uniforms, speak a different language, or carry guns. The only way to tackle this is to target the places funding the versions of islam causing these problems, such as Saudi, who we export masses of weapons to.
    Agreed.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    MaxPB said:

    Even that ICM has 98% of respondents saying they are registered to vote and 73% of people saying they are 10/10 certain to vote. I find that extremely unlikely.

    Why don't ICM/the pollsters just dismiss/exclude anyone not registered to vote?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175

    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Not now.

    Anyway, there won't be hardly any campaigning left in this GE after this - campaigning will likely stop for some days.
    No, tragic though this is it is not on the scale of the over 20 who were killed in the Manchester concert attack and even then the pause was arguably too long, campaigning should resume as usual, democracy cannot be stopped by terrorism especially with a general election 5 days away
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902

    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Not now.

    Anyway, there won't be hardly any campaigning left in this GE after this - campaigning will likely stop for some days.
    Fuck sake. You know what the best reaction would be? Start campaigning tomorrow morning at 9am, don't let them change our ways. But no there will be a mourning one-upmanship contest until our election.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    I was there a few weeks ago. Difficult to comprehend.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    Best cure for any bedwetting.

    Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    It's starting to look like anyone would do a better job than May.
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    Jonathan said:

    Polls really are bollocks.

    All present methodologies used in the UK would seem to be bollocks certainly. We can use the Stephen Hawking time travel logic to demonstrate that. If it were possible then someone would. If there were an essentially fool proof polling mechanism the fact that body got the right answer would soon make their methodology the only methodology.

    Of course some of these polls will be right - in part.

    I thought at the time the council of war / IPM the pollsters held after 2015 showed they did not begin to grasp the issue.

    I suspect the brains who could collectively devise a polling mechanism that could work, if any could work are regulars on this site.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208
    Sky suggesting it's just a road traffic accident. Whatever.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Cyan said:

    ydoethur said:

    Remember, if Corbyn does achieve 35% he will have done better than any other Labour leader elected in the last 40 years - bar one. And this despite being the weakest, most corrupt, stupidest and most dishonest of them all.

    What is your basis for calling Jeremy Corbyn "corrupt"?

    How about getting his son a cushy number in Macdonnell's office? How about appointing Macdonnell and Abbott over the heads of better qualified candidates?

    I could find more examples but those are without bothering to think.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Awful news :(
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
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    The_MuleThe_Mule Posts: 9

    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Moron
    Yes he is.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    tlg86 said:

    Sky suggesting it's just a road traffic accident. Whatever.

    yeah, BBC are saying it's similar to Westminster, but they can't confirm it's a terrorism incident.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,008
    edited June 2017
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    I was there a few weeks ago. Difficult to comprehend.
    My fav place to meet in London. Or used to be

    The video footage looks like it's at the exact place I had one of my most mental rows w the ex - top of Tooley St

    I don't know how people can live in inner London nowadays, I'd be even more of a nervous wreck
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Jonathan said:

    Polls really are bollocks.

    All present methodologies used in the UK would seem to be bollocks certainly. We can use the Stephen Hawking time travel logic to demonstrate that. If it were possible then someone would. If there were an essentially fool proof polling mechanism the fact that body got the right answer would soon make their methodology the only methodology.

    Of course some of these polls will be right - in part.

    I thought at the time the council of war / IPM the pollsters held after 2015 showed they did not begin to grasp the issue.

    I suspect the brains who could collectively devise a polling mechanism that could work, if any could work are regulars on this site.
    Just a thought...you know the saying those who can't, teach.

    I wonder, data science has become so incredibly valuable, I just wonder if those that really can i.e. Messina, get paid a fortune for their services and ain't going to share their data or their models.

    YouGov and alike at the end of the day don't make money with political polling, it is the market research stuff that is what makes the readies.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    JackW said:

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.

    I could have saved you the shoe leather ....

    Con Landslide ....
    I do have blisters today, actually.

    But, it is very, very interesting to actually talk to real people.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    Who will be the first with the competitive mourning?

    But fingers crossed there are no fatalities. Please god.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,153
    tlg86 said:

    Sky suggesting it's just a road traffic accident. Whatever.

    Met Police declaring it a major incident: Sky
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    Some unconfirmed reports of some stabbings as well :(
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956

    Best cure for any bedwetting.

    Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.

    Ditto marginal wards in safer seats.

    Seriously, Labour have got all overexcited again. Meanwhile normal Britons are flocking towards May and her manifesto!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    For fucks sake.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Nick Timothy may have screwed up the manifesto but firing him should suffice, surely?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208

    Who will be the first with the competitive mourning?

    But fingers crossed there are no fatalities. Please god.

    I wonder if that concert at Old Trafford will still go ahead?
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    HYUFD said:

    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Not now.

    Anyway, there won't be hardly any campaigning left in this GE after this - campaigning will likely stop for some days.
    No, tragic though this is it is not on the scale of the over 20 who were killed in the Manchester concert attack and even then the pause was arguably too long, campaigning should resume as usual, democracy cannot be stopped by terrorism especially with a general election 5 days away
    I at least hope this is the case. Please no loss of life and please continue the campaign on Monday if not tomorrow. This shouldn't stop our democracy.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    I walked past London Bridge with my 11 year old daughter this afternoon

    I'm sorry but I hate these people. I want them all gone. Anyone with any links, intern or deport

    That won't provoke any adverse reactions, nope none whatsoever.
    Who gives a fuck. We had to bomb the Nazis. They reacted. We won.
    This isn't a conventional enemy, they don't wear uniforms, speak a different language, or carry guns. The only way to tackle this is to target the places funding the versions of islam causing these problems, such as Saudi, who we export masses of weapons to.
    I'm too upset and angry right now. I should probably stop posting. I was right there a few hours ago with my beloved daughter, the sun was shining and London was so happy.

    But I hate them. I hate them. I hate them
    Agreed, I started the celebrations of my birthday by meeting my mates on the bridge 46 days ago at exactly this time, but going the other way isn't going to help anything whatsoever.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Don't be stupid. But I don't want any of this "nothing to do with Islam" bollocks, should it turn out to be what we will all presume.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Nick Timothy may have screwed up the manifesto but firing him should suffice, surely?
    :D
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.

    I could have saved you the shoe leather ....

    Con Landslide ....
    Landslide definitely won't happen if it wasn't for people like Casino_Royale!
    I'm flattered, but I really have done very little apart from donate and hit the streets this weekend.

    I am always terrified by knocking on the first few doors (so unBritish) but by the end, I'm really enjoying it - and loving it.

    Like anything in life, it's getting started and into it that's the hardest bit!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453
    Brom said:

    I hope there are no deaths

    While I share that hope given the size this van must have been and the location plus the standings that seems very, very unlikely.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    That depends a lot on what 9"cm" actually is in proper Imperial.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,153

    Best cure for any bedwetting.

    Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.

    Worked for me in 2015. This time it feels a bit like the circus has moved on to the next town (Plymouth in this case!)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    GeoffM said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    That depends a lot on what 9"cm" actually is in proper Imperial.
    354 centi-inches. :smiley:
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Don't be stupid. But I don't want any of this "nothing to do with Islam" bollocks.
    Well yeah, agreed, that sort of stuff really pisses me off. However there should be more political pressure on May to cut Saudi off from the international community.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    edited June 2017
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.

    I could have saved you the shoe leather ....

    Con Landslide ....
    Landslide definitely won't happen if it wasn't for people like Casino_Royale!
    I'm flattered, but I really have done very little apart from donate and hit the streets this weekend.

    I am always terrified by knocking on the first few doors (so unBritish) but by the end, I'm really enjoying it - and loving it.

    Like anything in life, it's getting started and into it that's the hardest bit!
    I used to love canvassing ... especially for myself!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    Brom said:

    HYUFD said:

    The_Mule said:

    Corbyn rushing to London Bridge with a cup of tea and wag of the finger for the terrorists.

    Not now.

    Anyway, there won't be hardly any campaigning left in this GE after this - campaigning will likely stop for some days.
    No, tragic though this is it is not on the scale of the over 20 who were killed in the Manchester concert attack and even then the pause was arguably too long, campaigning should resume as usual, democracy cannot be stopped by terrorism especially with a general election 5 days away
    I at least hope this is the case. Please no loss of life and please continue the campaign on Monday if not tomorrow. This shouldn't stop our democracy.
    Yes, we can't keep stopping every time this happens, in any case other than a brief pause to remember unless the government actually does something about it ie imposes a travel ban to Syria and Libya, interns radical Islamists etc it is all largely pointless anyway to suspend the campaign
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    Switching to radio coverage, as Sky News is dire in a situation like this.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    You just cant stop people using vehicles as weapons if that is indeed what has happened.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    Oh no! :(
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Don't be stupid. But I don't want any of this "nothing to do with Islam" bollocks.
    Well yeah, agreed, that sort of stuff really pisses me off. However there should be more political pressure on May to cut Saudi off from the international community.
    Interestingly, in the recent freakonomics podcast about surveys vs data science, they talked about this phase that Obama used and found it was actually hugely counter-productive.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    calum said:
    Good call. She's quite cute.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Jonathan said:

    Polls really are bollocks.

    All present methodologies used in the UK would seem to be bollocks certainly. We can use the Stephen Hawking time travel logic to demonstrate that. If it were possible then someone would. If there were an essentially fool proof polling mechanism the fact that body got the right answer would soon make their methodology the only methodology.

    Of course some of these polls will be right - in part.

    I thought at the time the council of war / IPM the pollsters held after 2015 showed they did not begin to grasp the issue.

    I suspect the brains who could collectively devise a polling mechanism that could work, if any could work are regulars on this site.
    Just a thought...you know the saying those who can't, teach.

    I wonder, data science has become so incredibly valuable, I just wonder if those that really can i.e. Messina, get paid a fortune for their services and ain't going to share their data or their models.

    YouGov and alike at the end of the day don't make money with political polling, it is the market research stuff that is what makes the readies.
    So if they aren't making money out of it and the publicity it generates is wholly and deservedly negative, how much more humiliation and brand damage do they want before they pull out?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,453

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Nick Timothy may have screwed up the manifesto but firing him should suffice, surely?
    Despite the grimness that made me laugh! Thank you!

    (Although the verb 'to fire' is an execution metaphor - from the order given to firing parties. Similarly 'sacking' is derived from hanging, where they used to cover the faces of the condemned.)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058

    Best cure for any bedwetting.

    Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.

    Worked for me in 2015. This time it feels a bit like the circus has moved on to the next town (Plymouth in this case!)
    Those of us without a party to knock for can hardly reassure ourselves that way.

    Pardon me, I'm not canvassing for a party, I'm just a nosey bastard - how are you voting?
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    GeoffM said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    That depends a lot on what 9"cm" actually is in proper Imperial.
    354 centi-inches. :smiley:
    Cheers! And in that case yes, it's definitely public execution time.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    Rhubarb said:

    I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.

    That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.
    What (rough) demographics were they sending you after? Lots of c1/c2 +35 plus working women?
    Waverers and undecided, bookended by socialists and solid Cons to check voting stability at either end.

    Hard to pointlessly knock on a socialists door to be (very occasionally) berated, but important to reaffirm data validity.

    The printed canvass sheets I had were 90-95% accurate in the voters stated intention.

    Why I am confident?

    A lot of the canvass data was from late April/early May, and showed no real movement between now and then, aside from waverers/undecided firming up.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited June 2017
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Jonathan said:

    Polls really are bollocks.

    All present methodologies used in the UK would seem to be bollocks certainly. We can use the Stephen Hawking time travel logic to demonstrate that. If it were possible then someone would. If there were an essentially fool proof polling mechanism the fact that body got the right answer would soon make their methodology the only methodology.

    Of course some of these polls will be right - in part.

    I thought at the time the council of war / IPM the pollsters held after 2015 showed they did not begin to grasp the issue.

    I suspect the brains who could collectively devise a polling mechanism that could work, if any could work are regulars on this site.
    Just a thought...you know the saying those who can't, teach.

    I wonder, data science has become so incredibly valuable, I just wonder if those that really can i.e. Messina, get paid a fortune for their services and ain't going to share their data or their models.

    YouGov and alike at the end of the day don't make money with political polling, it is the market research stuff that is what makes the readies.
    So if they aren't making money out of it and the publicity it generates is wholly and deservedly negative, how much more humiliation and brand damage do they want before they pull out?
    All these companies used to use the political polling as a showcase of their services. However, YouGov in particular sell the fact they have this enormous panel. The fact that there is loads of absolute bullshit in there (as illustrated by Dave Gorman) hasn't seemed to harm their business. In fact, I am pretty sure they made record profits in the past few years.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    9am tomorrow morning all parties should be campaigning, and if they aren't then it suggests that they're using this to cover shortcomings in their campaigning.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058
    jonny83 said:

    You just cant stop people using vehicles as weapons if that is indeed what has happened.

    Alas, that is so.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    kle4 said:

    Best cure for any bedwetting.

    Stop reading the interwebz and posting on forums, and go and knock on doors in a key marginal.

    Worked for me in 2015. This time it feels a bit like the circus has moved on to the next town (Plymouth in this case!)
    Those of us without a party to knock for can hardly reassure ourselves that way.

    Pardon me, I'm not canvassing for a party, I'm just a nosey bastard - how are you voting?
    Oh yes yes yes - that's a LIKE

    Why not?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Chameleon said:

    9am tomorrow morning all parties should be campaigning, and if they aren't then it suggests that they're using this to cover shortcomings in their campaigning.

    It may be callous, but this doesn't seem as bad as the Manchester incident. Suspect things will continue on regardless given the number of days left.
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    RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359

    Rhubarb said:

    I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.

    That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.
    What (rough) demographics were they sending you after? Lots of c1/c2 +35 plus working women?
    Waverers and undecided, bookended by socialists and solid Cons to check voting stability at either end.

    Hard to pointlessly knock on a socialists door to be (very occasionally) berated, but important to reaffirm data validity.

    The printed canvass sheets I had were 90-95% accurate in the voters stated intention.

    Why I am confident?

    A lot of the canvass data was from late April/early May, and showed no real movement between now and then, aside from waverers/undecided firming up.
    Interesting. Thanks!
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Soldiers back on the street Monday and outside polling stations?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Sun reporter on the scene says it was a B&Q van.

    https://twitter.com/benleo89/status/871116284561420288

    Do it yourself terrorists.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    Chameleon said:

    9am tomorrow morning all parties should be campaigning, and if they aren't then it suggests that they're using this to cover shortcomings in their campaigning.

    We have to face the grim reality that this will be a regular event and if we stop for a mourning festival after every one then life will never return to normal.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    RobD said:

    Chameleon said:

    9am tomorrow morning all parties should be campaigning, and if they aren't then it suggests that they're using this to cover shortcomings in their campaigning.

    It may be callous, but this doesn't seem as bad as the Manchester incident. Suspect things will continue on regardless given the number of days left.
    Yeah, to be fair the Manchester incident was ridiculous as well, it became a period of mourning one-upmanship.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,008
    Pakistan vs India in Birmingham tomorrow.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    All these companies used to use the political polling as a showcase of their services. However, YouGov in particular sell the fact they have this enormous panel. The fact that there is loads of absolute bullshit in there (as illustrated by Dave Gorman) hasn't seemed to harm their business. In fact, I am pretty sure they made record profits in the past few years.

    A cynic might say that companies use market research to justify what they want to do, not to find out what they should do. So results only have to be right, not true.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Don't be stupid. But I don't want any of this "nothing to do with Islam" bollocks.
    Well yeah, agreed, that sort of stuff really pisses me off. However there should be more political pressure on May to cut Saudi off from the international community.
    She went there and licked all the hands and the other places.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,153
    edited June 2017

    JackW said:

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.

    I could have saved you the shoe leather ....

    Con Landslide ....
    I do have blisters today, actually.

    But, it is very, very interesting to actually talk to real people.
    Met a lovely lady yesterday - 91 next week, German, from Wuppertal, came here in '49, became a British citizen in 1950. Lost 10 members her family in an Allied raid in '43. Voting for Mrs May because she wants her to implement Brexit...

    Best I ever met was a guy in Brum from the Welsh Valleys, was a life-long Labour man, coincidentally also 90 years old, never going to change his vote. But he invited me in for a drink and I had a fascinating chat - he used to play the piano for the silent movies!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Soldiers back on the street Monday and outside polling stations?

    The alert level didn't change after Westminster. Wouldn't something like this likely be a lone wolf attack?

    The worrying thing is it isn't clear they have the driver.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    Rhubarb said:

    I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.

    That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.
    What (rough) demographics were they sending you after? Lots of c1/c2 +35 plus working women?
    Waverers and undecided, bookended by socialists and solid Cons to check voting stability at either end.

    Hard to pointlessly knock on a socialists door to be (very occasionally) berated, but important to reaffirm data validity.

    The printed canvass sheets I had were 90-95% accurate in the voters stated intention.

    Why I am confident?

    A lot of the canvass data was from late April/early May, and showed no real movement between now and then, aside from waverers/undecided firming up.
    It would backup why Tory national campaign really hasn't done anything.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:
    Spectator bod says man crashed into people, then jumped out and starting stabbing them.
    Thanks, didn't appear on the news sites for a while.
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    MimusMimus Posts: 56
    More awful news. Feeling very close to home all too often right now.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,904

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.

    I could have saved you the shoe leather ....

    Con Landslide ....
    Landslide definitely won't happen if it wasn't for people like Casino_Royale!
    I'm flattered, but I really have done very little apart from donate and hit the streets this weekend.

    I am always terrified by knocking on the first few doors (so unBritish) but by the end, I'm really enjoying it - and loving it.

    Like anything in life, it's getting started and into it that's the hardest bit!
    The 2 marginals i have canvassed are very different.

    I reckon Derby North very promising for Lab

    NE Derbyshire looked like Tory Gain last time I was there. Now described by fellow travellers as on a knife edge
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    isam said:

    Pakistan vs India in Birmingham tomorrow.

    The show must go on and this will be a great match.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    glw said:

    All these companies used to use the political polling as a showcase of their services. However, YouGov in particular sell the fact they have this enormous panel. The fact that there is loads of absolute bullshit in there (as illustrated by Dave Gorman) hasn't seemed to harm their business. In fact, I am pretty sure they made record profits in the past few years.

    A cynic might say that companies use market research to justify what they want to do, not to find out what they should do. So results only have to be right, not true.
    You may say that, but I couldn't possibly comment....
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    alex. said:

    The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc

    It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    edited June 2017

    isam said:

    Pakistan vs India in Birmingham tomorrow.

    The show must go on and this will be a great match.
    On the contrary, I'm expecting a Pakistani batting collapse. All over by late lunch - no matter who starts the batting.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited June 2017

    isam said:

    Pakistan vs India in Birmingham tomorrow.

    The show must go on and this will be a great match.
    Wouldn't be an obvious target would it?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    SeanT said:

    nunu said:

    Sun reporter on the scene says it was a B&Q van.

    https://twitter.com/benleo89/status/871116284561420288

    Do it yourself terrorists.
    Jesus. My daughter and I and her mum were EXACTLY in that spot, this afternoon. That pavement in that photo

    This gets far too close.

    So what the F do we do now? Another pathetic vigil? Tea-candles? Hashtags?

    Fuck that shit. Fuck it to hell and back
    Don't forget your twitter and facebook "twibbon"...
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    SeanT said:

    nunu said:

    Sun reporter on the scene says it was a B&Q van.

    https://twitter.com/benleo89/status/871116284561420288

    Do it yourself terrorists.
    Jesus. My daughter and I and her mum were EXACTLY in that spot, this afternoon. That pavement in that photo

    This gets far too close.

    So what the F do we do now? Another pathetic vigil? Tea-candles? Hashtags?

    Fuck that shit. Fuck it to hell and back
    With you 100%. I am utterly sick of celebrations of impotence and kumbaya naivety.

    It's time for action.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,006
    "BBC reporter Holly Jones, who was on the bridge at the time of the incident, said the van was driven by a male driver and was "probably travelling at about 50 miles an hour".
    About five people were being treated for injuries after the vehicle mounted the pavement and hit them, she said."
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    A friend of mine has been told to go home, he's in a bar in Borough.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    SeanT said:

    "Two people stabbed in a restaurant"??

    Is this one man?

    Or a normal night out in London?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    BBC saying someone has been arrested.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902

    alex. said:

    The reports are getting worse. Not restricted to London Bridge, but Borough market, nightclubs etc

    It's news hype. It looks like being at the *end* of London Bridge, where the road goes under the railway next to Borough Market. One location.
    Agreed, the night club rumoured to be being cleared is also at the end of the bridge.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,153
    Report: possible related incident at the Shard - SKY
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    just seen the news - shit
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680

    I am still very bemused by the Tory reaction or lack of it. If Messina was getting too close to call in his polls you would have thought they would be calling in every favour, every Tory that is popular would be spending every waking minute in every marginal seat and the Sun / Mail / Telegraph would be getting inundated with useful stories.

    That or Kim Jong May doesn't want to listen.

    I spent 6 hours knocking on doors in Southampton Test today using Messina's data.

    It is bloody accurate.

    I am no longer prone to the occasional bedwetting.

    We are going to win.
    Its interesting that you were in Southampton Test - 5% swing required, significant student population, demographically trending Labour - rather than marginal Conservative Southampton Itchen.

    If Southampton Test goes Conservative then it will be a landslide, maybe a big landslide, victory.
    I reckon Labour by 1,000-1,500, but it was saturated with activists and MPs today. Interesting, most students don't actually live in that constituency.

    Candidate says extremely close, and gave me very specific numbers from CCHQ, but I discount that because he needs to motivate the troops.

    My data shows close but no cigar, but I could be wrong and - in any event - that means it is probably looking very good in other seats.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Same Holly Jones just said someone in handcuffs just marched past her by police.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    surbiton said:

    Chameleon said:

    Chameleon said:

    SeanT said:

    Napalm them. Burn them.

    F##king Kim Jong May better not come out with wishy washy bollocks.
    What do you want, public executions of anyone with a beard length over 9cm?
    Don't be stupid. But I don't want any of this "nothing to do with Islam" bollocks.
    Well yeah, agreed, that sort of stuff really pisses me off. However there should be more political pressure on May to cut Saudi off from the international community.
    She went there and licked all the hands and the other places.
    It is Libya and Syria which is more a problem in terms of radicalisation now and Saudi is bombing ISIS
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