We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
It's not like we took an Indian city named Mumbai and changed it to Bombay agai st their wishes, iirc. Only guy I know from the place is older and calls it Bombay. Says something about shiv sena.
It was originally called Mumbadevi before it became Bombay.
Are you sure? I thought it was originally Kakamuchee?
Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Is it just me, or if the plod start screaming get down or get back get back, the last time thing I would think about doing is getting my mobile out and film it?
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Stabbings from people with vests on seems to make it an attack - most attacks of this form are terrorist.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
We're already terrorised. If it leads to overreaction or over cautious non reaction, we've still been terrorised.
That great and noble Labour Party campaigner Eddie Izzard had a funny bit about PIRA bombscares many years ago and how we coped. It was very astute and showed us being a long way from terrorised.
Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
Oh Fuckity fuck fuck fuck...Sky are repeating this now too.
Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
Not that I think anyone here is in the area, but for future reference the police advice is specifically to turn vibrate *off* as well. It's about being able to hide and avoid detection.
Incident now in the Vauxhall area. Sky News according to the Met.
That's pretty far away, right?
Yeh. A good couple of miles...
Yes, we just have to hope that the Vauxhall incident is just a run of the mill crime rather than being a part of a co-ordinated terror attack plan on my home city.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Is a good point. But whatever it is people should run away from it.
Police advice on twitter: run as fast as you can, hide yourself, turn your phone to vibrate.
Not that I think anyone here is in the area, but for future reference the police advice is specifically to turn vibrate *off* as well. It's about being able to hide and avoid detection.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.
Like I said I hadn't read back through the thread. Just trying to get some steer without all the hyperbole
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
It's not like we took an Indian city named Mumbai and changed it to Bombay agai st their wishes, iirc. Only guy I know from the place is older and calls it Bombay. Says something about shiv sena.
It was originally called Mumbadevi before it became Bombay.
Are you sure? I thought it was originally Kakamuchee?
I was told that by a Mumbaikar who I assume would know. I suppose my point is that Mumbai was a name made up by modern day Marathi nationalists, the city wasn't called that before the colonial Brits came along.
Let's not get carried away. Terror is supposed to terrorise. Don't be terrorised. The MO of anyone committing a vehicle weapon attack is now to dismount the vehicle and continue the attack. That's what it looks like here. Not great, obvs, but not Mumbai either.
People must be street aware always now...is the sad reality.
Without reading back through the thread, is there any real evidence at all that this is actually terrorism as opposed to some other sort of crime?
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Erhhhh.....PM May and Donald Trump are being briefed by the spooks? I am not sure they wake up Mrs May or Donald off the golf course for a traffic incident or a random stabbing.
Like I said I hadn't read back through the thread. Just trying to get some steer without all the hyperbole
You can tell from the way BBC presenter is about to have a break down, it is bad.
Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail. No guns or grenades etc. reported used by the attackers so far.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Here's it's Lefties who get upset if I call it Bombay.
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
Mad to think I used to go into London everyday and lived there (Nw5) for a few years, but now I honestly couldn't care less if I never went there again (Hornchurch & Upminster not really London)
We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
A marauding attack is what many security services fear most. This seems to be one, with all the difficulties of maintaining a cordon with suspects mobile and not contained.
Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
Calm the fuck down it's some guys with knives. Horrific but a million miles away from Mumbai. Do you have any idea of the Mumbai MO?
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
Why? Hasn't affected electoral intents to date.
Good night all. In a week everything will be normal again no doubt, perhaps more normal than it should be but there we are. I certainly feel like we are terrorised.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
I have visited Mumbai twice. I will always remember on my first visit meeting a man at a bar who told me in no uncertain terms that it was Bombay, not Mumbai, and he would always call it by that name.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.
We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Here's it's Lefties who get upset if I call it Bombay.
So, of course, I call it Bombay.
That makes two of us for the same reason.
It's just background noise level trolling - but surprisingly effective
I guess should be thankful that it appears that it really must be difficult to get hold of guns in this country.
I would guess that it is something that is taking up a lot of the security services time. It is interesting that these days people don't do armed robberies at jewelers, they turn up on mopeds with sledge hammers instead.
Fucking hell, let's hope this isn't as big as Mumbai. At least 7 people stabbed, 3 with throats cut according to one witness at London Bridge. Source: Daily Mail.
Calm the fuck down it's some guys with knives. Horrific but a million miles away from Mumbai. Do you have any idea of the Mumbai MO?
Yes but Bombay is not here. Here is here. On balance I would rather terrible stuff happened there than marginally less bad stuff happens here. Internationalists may disagree
Oh I don't blame her for a second. I meant that clearly she is getting terrible info in her ear. She was in the middle of talking, then her voice went super wobbly.
We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.
Yup, after Dunblane it is very difficult to get a guns/rifles in this country.
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.
TMay now one Churchillian speech away from a landside..
Au contraire. People could think that her approach has failed.
I doubt it will make much difference other than maybe seeing a slight shift of any white working class voters who have moved from the Tories to Labour back to the Tories and maybe boost UKIP's score a little. However clearly we need a tougher response, whether tagging all known extremists, a travel ban to and from Libya and Syria without special permission etc
We don't call Lisbon, "Lisboa", Cologne, "Koln", or Rome, "Roma", do we?
Bit too much post-colonial guilt there. And plenty of Bombay residents are annoyed it was renamed too.
The Bombay/Mumbai thing was pure politics by the Indian Nationalists. As is entirely their right of course but the funny thing is of the 4 Indian friends I have who live in Bombay they all call it Bombay and take the piss out of me if I call it Mumbai.
It is a source of constant argument within the city itself with the split being along political and some social lines. It is not the same as Bejing where all the locals actually call it that.
Beijing is not the same case. It is merely how you transliterate the Chinese characters into English. It always has been bay_jing... Just how we choose to spell it.
Met Police tweeting essentially active shooter/attacker advice with the hashtags of the three locations. They must at least think perpetrators are possibly at large.
Yes and it's good advice, on the whole, assuming you have read it all prior to an incident. I just happen to prefer the US's run hide fight because when it comes to it and that's the only thing to do, it is a pretty good nudge to make people do something that might save them or others.
We'll know in the cold light of dawn, but it isn't clear to me that any official or police source has said the attackers have guns. References to 'shots fired', but possibly all by police. Hopefully just stabbings, which are horrific but generally less fatal to less people.
Yes, it's starting to sound like stabbings only. Horrible, but it would continue to suggest that getting guns without being caught is still quite difficult.
Yup, after Dunblane it is very difficult to get a guns/rifles in this country.
Being an island also helps.
To be honest it was not that easy to get them beforehand. And it is still legal and possible to buy rifles as well of course as shotguns. The difference being we do have a pretty effective licencing system for them. But I do fear a terrorist attack using a shotgun because of the consequences it might have for all the legal, law abiding owners.
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https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
Not wanting to detract from it but I have seen nothing official yet.
Best behaviour, just in case.
But it sounds as if they are definitely linking Vauxhall with other incidents.
twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
I wonder why they are trying to escape (if that's what is happening)
https://twitter.com/metpoliceuk/status/871135916047388672
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/871136402699763712
So, of course, I call it Bombay.
Just dreadful.
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Good night all. In a week everything will be normal again no doubt, perhaps more normal than it should be but there we are. I certainly feel like we are terrorised.
It's just background noise level trolling - but surprisingly effective
Being an island also helps.