A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
The average PBer is more economically rightwing than the average voter but also more liberal and pro immigration than the average voter, hence they will not like the direction May is taking the Tories on the whole
FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?
I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
Labour should send Thornberry or Ashworth, either is good with cameras, and Ashworth would be a good foil to the sisterhood.
Thornberry has been excellent. In fact, apart from Abbott all have been good.
FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?
I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
Labour should send Thornberry or Ashworth, either is good with cameras, and Ashworth would be a good foil to the sisterhood.
Thornberry has been excellent. In fact, apart from Abbott all have been good.
Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
Surely they have Major's soapbox in storage somewhere at CCHQ?
FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?
I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
Labour should send Thornberry or Ashworth, either is good with cameras, and Ashworth would be a good foil to the sisterhood.
Thornberry has been excellent. In fact, apart from Abbott all have been good.
Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
Indeed. Tories are lucky there is only ten days of this to go.
She looks like the achieving, but awkward, Head Girl who became a successful dentist, now being asked in her 50s to do a sketch for the review show for the old college.
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
''“It may just be that the terrible event in Manchester has done this but this seems to be quite a low-key campaign. “I don’t mean to be rude but you seem to be a bit of a glum bucket'' to which the audience jeered she looked round and smiled at which point the clip conveniently stops. A bit thick of Letts to juxtapose the bombing with 'low key'.
Letts does have form (lets face it reporters are always tying to sound superior) he said of Clegg (as per Huffington) he 'had the demeanor of a “spat-out Smartie”.' I am not quite sure what that is meant to mean but I would put May ahead.
One thing is for sure, no surprise at the thread header. LibDems paddling like mad here.
Letts is not really a reporter - he is a sketch-writer and humorist.
Is that significant? Ascribing comedy to him makes my point more valid. I would agree the correct word might be... jour er jour er jour er joutnalist but I have an aversion to using that word.
Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
Brown is perhaps the closest parallel to the rapid change in perception of May.
Previously her long tenure in the Home Office and inscrutability made her come across as the British equivalent of a member of the Russian siloviki - someone who not only knew where the bodies were buried, but who put them there to begin with. Now that she's not able to control her image so tightly the illusion has been shattered.
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
Brown is perhaps the closest parallel to the rapid change in perception of May.
Previously her long tenure in the Home Office and inscrutability made her come across as the British equivalent of a member of the Russian siloviki - someone who not only knew where the bodies were buried, but who put them there to begin with. Now that she's not able to control her image so tightly the illusion has been shattered.
Worth saying on Gordon Brown, imagine if he'd gone for that election in 2007 and the polls had moved in a similar way to this giving the Tories the lead. Can you imagine just how angry he would have been?
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
It does not stop the cheerful editorialising of it on PB
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
I once read that Thatcher sometimes didn't understand the jokes that were written for her, and suggested unfunny "improvements" to them.
Apparently when Callaghan had been compared to Moses, someone wrote a line about "keep taking the tablets" for her. It seems she thought "keep taking the pill" would have been better. Perhaps she'd watched too many Carry On films.
Her 'dead parrot' sketch was pretty excruciating but I think her delivery of 'you turn if you want to' was just about perfect, switching into a robotic cadence for 'the lady's not for turning' that emphasised the deeper meaning.
I once wrote an article for a professional magazine, on family planning, entitled “Prudence and the Pill’ which the sub-editor thought would be better entitled ‘Young Prudence and the Pill’. Why I have no idea!
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
Personally, I have always viewed having a sense of humour as a sign of a certain level of intelligence.
Indeed. Life is ridiculous. If you can't laugh at it you are driven to despair.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
Remainers haven't forgiven her for accepting democracy post referendum..
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Yes. A Jeremy Corbyn lead Brexit ?
Doesn't bear thinking about.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Yes. A Jeremy Corbyn lead Brexit ?
Doesn't bear thinking about.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Yes. A Jeremy Corbyn lead Brexit ?
Doesn't bear thinking about.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
Maybe I am not the target demographic, but that video is, to use a SeanT expression, beyond utterly shit.
Terrible facial expressions - maniacal verging on the unhinged. Reminds me of that bizarre thing Gordon did all those years ago. Theresa is rapidly turning into a figure of derision. The Tories can't allow this to continue, or Jezza will soon be boiling his jam in the kitchen of Number 10.
Now what was Mr Fear just saying...
Anyone would think she's reaching Cameron, Major or, god forbid Thatcher like levels of public (dis)approval....
i am seriously considering delaying spending any money on a new car until i know Corbyn isn't going to be running the show from next thursday . infact if he does win i think i might close my business and live off the state or emigrate because i don't think the economy will survive . i have a horrible feeling he could manage to win . time to emigrate methinks . The Tories really need to up their game or we are screwed
Yes. A Jeremy Corbyn lead Brexit ?
Doesn't bear thinking about.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
Auslan Cramb in the Daily Telegraph writes that Nicola Sturgeon is being "accused" of "paving the way for a 'coalition of chaos'" by indicating that she would prefer Jeremy Corbyn as PM to Theresa May.
If Labour continue to climb in the polls, will "Avoid getting a coalition of chaos" become the Tory line? Will they seriously take the same tack as in 2015?
This may be the election where voters at last revolt against being treated like idiots and stay focused on "Which party will be best in government for my family and people like us?" Let the Tories complain if they wish that the peasants always want something for nothing.
Even in her own narrow Brexity terms, if Theresa May can't see beyond the end of her nose where a general election is concerned, how can she be best at negotiating with EU27?
A government that calls an election after only two years to "strengthen its hand" and then desperately tries to hold on to some votes by warning of "chaos" doesn't deserve to remain in office. Nobody made it call the election.
And seriously I think many people may get that.
(I've now invested in the Tories failing to get a majority.)
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!
Ie someone who will cave into the EU, we don't want that either
Seeing compromise as cave in is where May is taking us, sadly. Her fear of the right wing press will prove to be very bad news for the UK.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
So far Nuttall has been brilliant here, Nige couldn't have done any better
As a non-supporter his felt a lot like Corybn's to me. As in, he didn't grab my attention - and to be honest I was a bit bored - but that also meant I didn't feel he was making any errors or anything. His openness to internment turned me off, but that's not a gaffe as much as a different philosophy to me.
FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?
I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
Yes, very much instinct this time around - so far have only delivered in Kingston and Surbiton though will be knocking up there on the day. The value of the feedback from the intensive canvassing for the locals earlier this month has clearly diminished. So I have made a caveat on my general confidence in that the campaign itself can afford no more bungling in the next two weeks.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
Auslan Cramb in the Daily Telegraph writes that Nicola Sturgeon is being "accused" of "paving the way for a 'coalition of chaos'" by indicating that she would prefer Jeremy Corbyn as PM to Theresa May.
If Labour continue to climb in the polls, will "Avoid getting a coalition of chaos" become the Tory line? Will they seriously take the same tack as in 2015?
This may be the election where voters at last revolt against being treated like idiots and stay focused on "Which party will be best in government for my family and people like us?" Let the Tories complain if they wish that the peasants always want something for nothing.
Even in her own narrow Brexity terms, if Theresa May can't see beyond the end of her nose where a general election is concerned, how can she be best at negotiating with EU27?
A government that calls an election after only two years to "strengthen its hand" and then desperately tries to hold on to some votes by warning of "chaos" doesn't deserve to remain in office. Nobody made it call the election.
And seriously I think many people may get that.
(I've now invested in the Tories failing to get a majority.)
I think many south of the border will react as they did in 2015 and reject the SNP interferring in the rest of UK politics.
FPT - In 2015 I was convinced that the Tories would win and probably with an overall majority (though confess to a momentary doubt after the poll herding on Election Day itself!) and posted here regularly to that effect. Still confident about 100 seat plus margin on June 8th but Mrs May must up her game: how she and Corbyn do tonight could indeed affect the electoral narrative.
But in your confidence this time based on what you are finding or the doorstep, or your instinct about how the electorate will ultimately respond to Corbyn in the privacy of the election booth?
I think the big problem could be the BBC "leaders debate" where she's sending a replacement. Better to just boycott the thing if you don't like the idea. Might just about be helped by Sturgeon not taking part, but Rudd will be on a hiding to nothing. And Labour (as long as they don't send Abbott) can just say that Corbyn would have turned up if May had.
Yes, very much instinct this time around - so far have only delivered in Kingston and Surbiton though will be knocking up there on the day. The value of the feedback from the intensive canvassing for the locals earlier this month has clearly diminished. So I have made a caveat on my general confidence in that the campaign itself can afford no more bungling in the next two weeks.
So far Nuttall has been brilliant here, Nige couldn't have done any better
As a non-supporter his felt a lot like Corybn's to me. As in, he didn't grab my attention - and to be honest I was a bit bored - but that also meant I didn't feel he was making any errors or anything. His openness to internment turned me off, but that's not a gaffe as much as a different philosophy to me.
I thought Neil gave him a pretty easy time really. Doubt many people watched though
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
Is there a parallel with 1930s Hollywood comedy, when the imperious but humourless Margot Dumas played opposite the Marx Brothers (geddit)? It was always said that she never got the joke.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
I think they said you will be entitled to time off work without pay to care for a relative.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
My father was a master mariner, my mother a teacher. I'm a graduate engineer now retired and am married to a graduate pharmacist. Which class am I in and why should I give a ....
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
There's a lot about both Thatcher and May that grates with some well-heeled people. I remember Sir Peter Hall hated the former because she bought clothes from M & S and read Frederick Forsyth novels.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
You would imagine Attlee might have borrowed quite a bit though.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
In a post-war provincial town a vicar and a small business owner would have been among the elite.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
You would imagine Attlee might have borrowed quite a bit though.
In real terms, yes, but is your stat correcting for that?
Why are the LDs so long on Bristol West? They were 2/1 when the campaign starter, now 7/1 or longer.
The Greens, by contrast, are basically where they started. Even though their polls have halved in the campaign, whereas the LDs are reasonably stable (albeit no surge).
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
Especially since Lee Rowley is a top bloke.
Pulpstar needs to shake off the influence of his Lefty girlfriend and come back to the light side
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Its not working
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
To be fair, Labour had 1945-51, which must be worth a bit, in real terms.
Only people who think that curbs on private education are an attack on the middle classes would think that the daughters of provincial vicars and small businessmen are lower middle class.
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!
Ie someone who will cave into the EU, we don't want that either
Seeing compromise as cave in is where May is taking us, sadly. Her fear of the right wing press will prove to be very bad news for the UK.
Is "fear of the right wing press" the new attack line?
I expected you to see you put 'mediocre' in front of May, there.
1) I am not noticing any dip in the Conservative vote. Certainly nothing like to justify the colly wobbles on here for the past week.
2) The polls seem to confirm the above. The Tory vote is consistently solid and still not that far off the 'peak' of 49%,. The Tory lead has shrunk because Jeremy is allegedly polling in the mid 30's. If that is the case I'm a Dutch man.
3) There is nothing to give us reason to change our minds on what we know. Jeremy's boys (and girls) don't turn up on the day. Even in the Referendum when it was 'their' future at stake, they couldn't be arsed. He will be doing bloody well to top 28%.
3) The Tory campaign needs it to look and feel close, to motivate the soft Tory (remainer) vote and convert the Liberal leaners into Blues on the day. I doubt the Jolly Swagman will be wholly unhappy with the narrative developing that Jeremy is close to pulling this off (with a little help from Jimmy Crankie).
4) Theresa should be cut some slack. Two years ago we scrapped an unexpected majority (and barely a working one). Between then and now we have had a rancorous referendum which the Conservative party, to all intents and purposes, lost badly and we have jettisoned a PM and half a cabinet. The cupboard is bare and Theresa has bugger all to offer in the way of sweeteners. Yet despite all this, she is polling at Mrs T levels. She's doing fine and looks likely to win a very healthy majority. That is all any Conservative supporter can reasonably ask of a leader.
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!
Ie someone who will cave into the EU, we don't want that either
Seeing compromise as cave in is where May is taking us, sadly. Her fear of the right wing press will prove to be very bad news for the UK.
Is "fear of the right wing press" the new attack line?
I expected you to see you put 'mediocre' in front of May, there.
I appreciate you're now a LibDem but if you feel so strongly about Corbyn, why can you not vote tactically for the Tories in your highly marginal seat (assuming you are still living in North East Derbyshire)?
Especially since Lee Rowley is a top bloke.
Pulpstar needs to shake off the influence of his Lefty girlfriend and come back to the light side
I think he will vote Tory
I also think NE Derbyshire is a likely Tory gain
Mainly because of the green belt and Fracking stances of Engel.
1) I am not noticing any dip in the Conservative vote. Certainly nothing like to justify the colly wobbles on here for the past week.
2) The polls seem to confirm the above. The Tory vote is consistently solid and still not that far off the 'peak' of 49%,. The Tory lead has shrunk because Jeremy is allegedly polling in the mid 30's. If that is the case I'm a Dutch man.
3) There is nothing to give us reason to change our minds on what we know. Jeremy's boys (and girls) don't turn up on the day. Even in the Referendum when it was 'their' future at stake, they couldn't be arsed. He will be doing bloody well to top 28%.
3) The Tory campaign needs it to look and feel close, to motivate the soft Tory (remainer) vote and convert the Liberal leaners into Blues on the day. I doubt the Jolly Swagman will be wholly unhappy with the narrative developing that Jeremy is close to pulling this off (with a little help from Jimmy Crankie).
4) Theresa should be cut some slack. Two years ago we scrapped an unexpected majority (and barely a working one). Between then and now we have had a rancorous referendum which the Conservative party, to all intents and purposes, lost badly and we have jettisoned a PM and half a cabinet. The cupboard is bare and Theresa has bugger all to offer in the way of sweeteners. Yet despite all this, she is polling at Mrs T levels. She's doing fine and looks likely to win a very healthy majority. That is all any Conservative supporter can reasonably ask of a leader.
That's the spirit. Good to see someone with some backbone on here!
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
In a post-war provincial town a vicar and a small business owner would have been among the elite.
Not really. Post-war Britain was even more stuffily socially conformist and snobbish about class than today.
The elite would be the landowners, minor aristocrats, and gentry. The upper-middle class doctors, lawyers and surgeons and those educated at public schools.
May could do with a joke writer and/or chuckles consultant.
She's about as joyless as Corbyn, and that's saying something.
Corbyn can be quite witty, and has a little twinkle in his eye when talking to a crowd. He no longer harangues people, but rather demonstrates a very British civility. I recall watching him at the Labour hustings. He knows how to work an audience. One on one with a journalist less so.
Would you care to comment on how he works a police cordon around the Old Bailey during a trial of IRA murders?
Not working is it? Brown trousers in Toryland.
Take a look at Inspector Gadgets tweets (serving police inspector, ex army)
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
There's a lot about both Thatcher and May that grates with some well-heeled people. I remember Sir Peter Hall hated the former because she bought clothes from M & S and read Frederick Forsyth novels.
If May and Maggie hail from the lower middle class I was born into the underclass :-D
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
My father was a master mariner, my mother a teacher. I'm a graduate engineer now retired and am married to a graduate pharmacist. Which class am I in and why should I give a ....
Middle class. And you shouldn't.
But it's part of the English disease that we all profess to abhor class distinctions whilst either secretly, or subconsciously, filing everyone into one, as such.
1) I am not noticing any dip in the Conservative vote. Certainly nothing like to justify the colly wobbles on here for the past week.
2) The polls seem to confirm the above. The Tory vote is consistently solid and still not that far off the 'peak' of 49%,. The Tory lead has shrunk because Jeremy is allegedly polling in the mid 30's. If that is the case I'm a Dutch man.
3) There is nothing to give us reason to change our minds on what we know. Jeremy's boys (and girls) don't turn up on the day. Even in the Referendum when it was 'their' future at stake, they couldn't be arsed. He will be doing bloody well to top 28%.
3) The Tory campaign needs it to look and feel close, to motivate the soft Tory (remainer) vote and convert the Liberal leaners into Blues on the day. I doubt the Jolly Swagman will be wholly unhappy with the narrative developing that Jeremy is close to pulling this off (with a little help from Jimmy Crankie).
4) Theresa should be cut some slack. Two years ago we scrapped an unexpected majority (and barely a working one). Between then and now we have had a rancorous referendum which the Conservative party, to all intents and purposes, lost badly and we have jettisoned a PM and half a cabinet. The cupboard is bare and Theresa has bugger all to offer in the way of sweeteners. Yet despite all this, she is polling at Mrs T levels. She's doing fine and looks likely to win a very healthy majority. That is all any Conservative supporter can reasonably ask of a leader.
you make some valid and reassuring points . maybe i won't need to emigrate after all
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
In a post-war provincial town a vicar and a small business owner would have been among the elite.
Not really. Post-war Britain was even more stuffily socially conformist and snobbish about class than today.
The elite would be the landowners, minor aristocrats, and gentry. The upper-middle class doctors, lawyers and surgeons and those educated at public schools.
And then you get the solid middle class, which is where the Thatchers and Mays sat. The lower middle classes did Mr Thatcher's books for him.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
There's a lot about both Thatcher and May that grates with some well-heeled people. I remember Sir Peter Hall hated the former because she bought clothes from M & S and read Frederick Forsyth novels.
Left-wing snobs fear - what they would see as - their parochialism as an obstacle to their progressive internationalist politics.
Right-wing snobs don't like the upset to the social order, with them naturally on top and calling the shots.
A week ago children were blown to bits during a night out. May has spent time this last week being briefed by the security services about threats of similar attacks, threats that necessitated a temporary change in rating.
Anyone would be a "glum bucket" after such a week.
I am not a May fan. But, really, a sense of perspective is needed.
For a number of reasons, some personal some political, I think there is an intense dislike of Theresa May on this forum, which is not shared by the public as a whole.
That's absolutely right and you should join the diplomatic service.
1. She sacked some people in CCHQ, who are friends with people here.
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
Thatcher wasn't lower middle class. May definitely isn't. Provincial is fair enough, though.
She was the daughter of a grocer, and town alderman from Lincolnshire - that's lower middle class. She went to Oxford later and had elocution lessons, so she didn't sound it.
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
My father was a master mariner, my mother a teacher. I'm a graduate engineer now retired and am married to a graduate pharmacist. Which class am I in and why should I give a ....
Middle class. And you shouldn't.
But it's part of the English disease that we all profess to abhor class distinctions whilst either secretly, or subconsciously, filing everyone into one, as such.
I forgot to mention I was lib dem sandhurst town mayor 1996/7 does that change it?
Nuttall did well earlier, he's a sitting duck but coped comfortably. Bit disappointed with Neil continually calling UKIP extreme, the death penalty is supported by 65% and even more want immigration reduced significantly.
It will all be in vain but well done Paul Nuttall.
1) I am not noticing any dip in the Conservative vote. Certainly nothing like to justify the colly wobbles on here for the past week.
2) The polls seem to confirm the above. The Tory vote is consistently solid and still not that far off the 'peak' of 49%,. The Tory lead has shrunk because Jeremy is allegedly polling in the mid 30's. If that is the case I'm a Dutch man.
3) There is nothing to give us reason to change our minds on what we know. Jeremy's boys (and girls) don't turn up on the day. Even in the Referendum when it was 'their' future at stake, they couldn't be arsed. He will be doing bloody well to top 28%.
3) The Tory campaign needs it to look and feel close, to motivate the soft Tory (remainer) vote and convert the Liberal leaners into Blues on the day. I doubt the Jolly Swagman will be wholly unhappy with the narrative developing that Jeremy is close to pulling this off (with a little help from Jimmy Crankie).
4) Theresa should be cut some slack. Two years ago we scrapped an unexpected majority (and barely a working one). Between then and now we have had a rancorous referendum which the Conservative party, to all intents and purposes, lost badly and we have jettisoned a PM and half a cabinet. The cupboard is bare and Theresa has bugger all to offer in the way of sweeteners. Yet despite all this, she is polling at Mrs T levels. She's doing fine and looks likely to win a very healthy majority. That is all any Conservative supporter can reasonably ask of a leader.
Cameron had a sense of humour, BoJo still does, look where it got them (and us). Maggie otoh didn't. Listen to her doing the "You turn if you want to" gag; she sounds like someone reading a phonetic transcript in a language of which they do not know a single word.
We are going into extremely tough negotiations with the EU straight after this election is over, we do not need a comedian, we need someone extremely dry and serious
We need someone who is flexible, quick on their feet, confident, curious, smart and not terrified of negative headlines in the right wing press. We need the anti-May!
Ie someone who will cave into the EU, we don't want that either
Seeing compromise as cave in is where May is taking us, sadly. Her fear of the right wing press will prove to be very bad news for the UK.
Is "fear of the right wing press" the new attack line?
I expected you to see you put 'mediocre' in front of May, there.
It's your £350m a week.
It's accurate.
Nope, it's your attack line. Which you are having some success with on here, it has to be said, as I've noticed a handful of other posters subliminally inherit the moniker from you now.
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She looks like the achieving, but awkward, Head Girl who became a successful dentist, now being asked in her 50s to do a sketch for the review show for the old college.
I would agree the correct word might be... jour er jour er jour er joutnalist but I have an aversion to using that word.
Previously her long tenure in the Home Office and inscrutability made her come across as the British equivalent of a member of the Russian siloviki - someone who not only knew where the bodies were buried, but who put them there to begin with. Now that she's not able to control her image so tightly the illusion has been shattered.
Doesn't bear thinking about.
Changed big time after Tory manifesto and then got 10 times worse for her after her U Turn that isnt a U Turn U Turn.
Why I have no idea!
2. She's not Cameron or Osborne.
3. She's not economically dry enough (I agree, but I'll still vote Conservative.)
4. She's " provincial" and lower middle class (like Thatcher).
5. She accepts Brexit.
6. She's a Tory.
A grave chart sheet, indeed.
I don't think I can bear to watch the C4/Skynews "debate".
Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
Must be the usual delayed effect in the polls...
If Labour continue to climb in the polls, will "Avoid getting a coalition of chaos" become the Tory line? Will they seriously take the same tack as in 2015?
This may be the election where voters at last revolt against being treated like idiots and stay focused on "Which party will be best in government for my family and people like us?" Let the Tories complain if they wish that the peasants always want something for nothing.
Even in her own narrow Brexity terms, if Theresa May can't see beyond the end of her nose where a general election is concerned, how can she be best at negotiating with EU27?
A government that calls an election after only two years to "strengthen its hand" and then desperately tries to hold on to some votes by warning of "chaos" doesn't deserve to remain in office. Nobody made it call the election.
And seriously I think many people may get that.
(I've now invested in the Tories failing to get a majority.)
That video represents her core message for this election.
So true. All she needed was candles in the background!
Tanya Burr and Zoella use music which is almost identical to the music used in that TMay re-launch video in their YT videos
She's not fit for office.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LVK8onc5EA&t=1s
Plus I don't want us to become like Venezuela
Theresa May is a vicar's daughter from Oxforshire, and the granddaughter of grandparents who both worked in domestic service. That's lower middle class.
Although, strictly speaking, in a way only someone English would fully understand, Vicar outranks Greengrocer.
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
The Greens, by contrast, are basically where they started. Even though their polls have halved in the campaign, whereas the LDs are reasonably stable (albeit no surge).
I expected you to see you put 'mediocre' in front of May, there.
It's your £350m a week.
1) I am not noticing any dip in the Conservative vote. Certainly nothing like to justify the colly wobbles on here for the past week.
2) The polls seem to confirm the above. The Tory vote is consistently solid and still not that far off the 'peak' of 49%,. The Tory lead has shrunk because Jeremy is allegedly polling in the mid 30's. If that is the case I'm a Dutch man.
3) There is nothing to give us reason to change our minds on what we know. Jeremy's boys (and girls) don't turn up on the day. Even in the Referendum when it was 'their' future at stake, they couldn't be arsed. He will be doing bloody well to top 28%.
3) The Tory campaign needs it to look and feel close, to motivate the soft Tory (remainer) vote and convert the Liberal leaners into Blues on the day. I doubt the Jolly Swagman will be wholly unhappy with the narrative developing that Jeremy is close to pulling this off (with a little help from Jimmy Crankie).
4) Theresa should be cut some slack. Two years ago we scrapped an unexpected majority (and barely a working one). Between then and now we have had a rancorous referendum which the Conservative party, to all intents and purposes, lost badly and we have jettisoned a PM and half a cabinet. The cupboard is bare and Theresa has bugger all to offer in the way of sweeteners. Yet despite all this, she is polling at Mrs T levels. She's doing fine and looks likely to win a very healthy majority. That is all any Conservative supporter can reasonably ask of a leader.
I also think NE Derbyshire is a likely Tory gain
Mainly because of the green belt and Fracking stances of Engel.
Big meeting in Dronfield tonight re former
The elite would be the landowners, minor aristocrats, and gentry. The upper-middle class doctors, lawyers and surgeons and those educated at public schools.
Says this working class Northerner
Take a look at Inspector Gadgets tweets (serving police inspector, ex army)
https://twitter.com/nickh1877/status/868607563528581121
No fan of Corbyn, but even less keen on May. That speech at the Police Federation lives long in the memory.
Not sure what to believe any more re polls/canvas returns.
But it's part of the English disease that we all profess to abhor class distinctions whilst either secretly, or subconsciously, filing everyone into one, as such.
Right-wing snobs don't like the upset to the social order, with them naturally on top and calling the shots.
It will all be in vain but well done Paul Nuttall.