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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    RobD said:

    alex. said:

    RobD said:

    TMA1 said:



    Its not working

    Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning

    The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.

    The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
    Not on average they dont

    The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)

    And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
    I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
    You would imagine Attlee might have borrowed quite a bit though.
    You wouldn't imagine Attlee spending many billions of pounds though, let alone borrowing billions...

    http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/total_spending_1950UKmn
    Presumably Attlee inherited a massive deficit, but had plenty of scope for reducing it (even despite all the nationalisation programmes etc)
    My main point was that "one billion pounds" then and "one billion pounds" today are very different things, as Rob has been saying rather more clearly, repeatedly, to no avail whatsoever. Should have italicised the word "billion" to make my point clearer.
    I'm trying my best ;)
    You're a hero all the way, Rob, but you're fighting a 386 battle.

    (Bet you knew where that link was pointing before you hovered...)
    Hah, sums up many posts here on PB. But that's what debating is all about :D
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,926

    Im sorry, Corbyn told a flat out lie re. Vote on the good friday agreement.

    http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=1998-07-20&number=340&mpn=Jeremy_Corbyn&mpc=Islington_North&house=commons

    You're mistaken.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575
    The questions are chosen to be difficult for Corbyn. Assuming balance and May gets the same spin bowling, I worry how she's going to cope? Unless she ignores the questions as previously.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,221
    "Random acts of terror."

    That's not a good line.
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Barnesian said:

    He's not convincing the Tory businessman but he doesn't need to.

    In a few months (if he won) he will be hiking taxes for people like him, and he will need them not to change their income patterns as a result. Never gonna happen.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    Corbyn really is doing well. But his backstory will not go away.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,698
    This election is all about making sure Labour voters will hold their noses and vote Labour.

    I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911

    Im sorry, Corbyn told a flat out lie re. Vote on the good friday agreement.

    OMG this has been proved about 10 times on here in past week

    HE VOTED FOR GFA ffs
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Corbyn, 10/10.

    From someone who is not a Corbynista.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,453

    Corbs knocking it out of the park.

    But not PM material
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited May 2017
    Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?
    Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.
    I wish he'd say no, he wouldn't use nukes.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Suspect his letter of last resort might be to go to Australia/New Zealand.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Wow.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,808
    I think Corbyn did well there.

    Also, you could see the audience was engaged, and interested in what he had to say.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited May 2017
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107
    Very impressed with Corbyn so far. Don't agree with him but he speaks with conviction.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Overall good for Corbyn but unlucky for him to have to finish on Trident which is a very weak subject for him.

    Now will Paxman ask the Monarchy question?
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Soft ride so far dodged most of the questions and not held to account on anything
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.

    Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?
    Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.
    Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,190
    RobD said:

    Suspect his letter of last resort might be to go to Australia/New Zealand.

    Or Venezuela.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,808
    Pulpstar said:

    My initial hope for the election was that the Lib Dems would replace Labour.

    That one seems a longshot now :p

    I had the same hope, funnily enough.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,271
    edited May 2017
    Crosby maybe can't be blamed for the manifesto screw up but there are many other mistakes in this campaign that can be laid squarely at his door. He seems to be phoning it in based on a mistaken belief than not much has changed since 2015.

    The 'coalition of chaos' angle was a major mistake. They needed to use the Lib Dems as a foil to go after Labour from the left, but instead allowed Corbyn to monopolise the opposition.

    On the basis of Corbyn's performance tonight, agreeing to this format instead of a head-to-head was another misstep.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.

    Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?
    Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.
    Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.
    Time to trigger the klaxon?
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    My god Corbyn handled that well.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,453
    Cyan said:

    Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?

    Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.

    Vat on private school fees is calculated to force over 100,000 children into the state sector at immense expense. Just another popular but crass idea
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AWESOME !!!!!!!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911

    Corbyn really is doing well. But his backstory will not go away.

    Come on we need Leamington as a LAB gain to get rid of this terrible Govt to get a sensible BREXIT a fairer society piblic services we can be proud of.

    The May landslide will see the opposite.

    Hold your nose
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    This election is all about making sure Labour voters will hold their noses and vote Labour.

    I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.

    If Labour is sensible post 8th June this campaign could be a positive turning point for the party. Someone without Corbyn's back story, unencumbered by some of the more ridiculous policies in the manifesto (renationalisation, middle class freebies) could make hay. Very, very big If, though.

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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,379

    Corbs knocking it out of the park.

    Exactly my own thought.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Corbyn, 10/10.

    From someone who is not a Corbynista.

    Paxman could get nasty, though.

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    Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    I can only agree with the general consensus that Corbyn was very impressive there. Looking and sounding the part... very surprising.
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    Corbs knocking it out of the park.

    But not PM material
    Same was said about Thatcher.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Certain that May will get booed by the audience.

    Con supporters sit there politely - Lab supporters will have a go at May.
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    When push comes to shove people always vote for the most credible leader. In a field of two,

    President Trump suggest this isn't the case. In politics there is no "always"
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Cyan said:

    Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools?

    Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.

    Vat on private school fees is calculated to force over 100,000 children into the state sector at immense expense. Just another popular but crass idea
    90000 will pay. That money can be spent on other schools.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Corbyn, 10/10.

    From someone who is not a Corbynista.

    Paxman could get nasty, though.

    Yep, I think he could trip up there.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,058
    edited May 2017
    Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who died on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    I can only agree with the general consensus that Corbyn was very impressive there. Looking and sounding the part... very surprising.

    He is good at hustings (as I pointed out earlier), one to ones with journalists less so.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    That was Fantastic

    Match that Theresa
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,044
    Corbyn largely unscathed. Half time. Gaffes nil, questions answered (properly) nil.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575
    Paxman is past his best
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    isam said:

    Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"

    I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262

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    You're confusing the Anglo-Irish Agreement (1985) with the Good Friday Agreement (1988). rkrkrk has already posted a link proving he voted for the GFA.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    IanB2 said:

    Paxman is past his best

    Exactly what I think.

    He's not really catching out Corbyn.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Well i really enjoyed that.
    Springwatch is one of the best programmes on the box.

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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Jason said:

    isam said:

    Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"

    I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
    Even sadder people on PB are falling for it.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    OUT said:

    Well i really enjoyed that.
    Springwatch is one of the best programmes on the box.

    You mean you didn't watch HH Nuttall's proclamation? :o
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,221

    IanB2 said:

    Paxman is past his best

    Exactly what I think.

    He's not really catching out Corbyn.
    You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575
    The obvious reply for Corbyn is that he doesn't just write the manifesto on his own, like Theresa did on dementia charges,
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    isamisam Posts: 41,058
    Jason said:

    isam said:

    Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"

    I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
    Hopefully its just the types who have to win petty online squabbles to feel good about themselves rather than normal people in the real world
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    Paxman is being too Paxman here.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,190
    Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    Jason said:

    isam said:

    Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"

    I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
    Perhaps they approve.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Argh, don't clap the questions!
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Trident and MI5 are subjects that will worry floating voters - notwithstanding all other issues.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    Monarchy!
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    woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Paxman is past his best

    Exactly what I think.

    He's not really catching out Corbyn.
    You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.
    I stand by my previous statements.

    Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    MikeL said:

    Monarchy!

    I'm surprised it came up, TBH.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    edited May 2017

    Paxman is being too Paxman here.

    Quite. His OTT style is undermining his questions.
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    DougieDougie Posts: 57
    I thought Corbyn did very well in the first part. That format plays to his strengths. However, all anyone remembers of the same show with Miliband Minor two years ago was that ridiculous "Am I tough enough? Hell yeah!" comment. So, we will see. Paxman will make heavy weather but it's not impossible that the audience will then have sympathy for Corbyn.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575
    I fear for Theresa
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,221

    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Paxman is past his best

    Exactly what I think.

    He's not really catching out Corbyn.
    You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.
    I stand by my previous statements.

    Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.
    He's not being nearly as aggressive with Jezza as he was with Ed.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,698
    RobD said:

    Argh, don't clap the questions!

    Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    Jason said:

    Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.

    TMICIPM next week.

    You know it i know it

    JUST STOP PANICKING
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    MattyNethMattyNeth Posts: 60
    I don't think Paxman likes Corbyn very much!
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    isamisam Posts: 41,058
    He got the angry glint there
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    RobD said:

    Argh, don't clap the questions!

    Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?
    Touché, sir.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited May 2017
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Paxman is past his best

    Exactly what I think.

    He's not really catching out Corbyn.
    You were saying? Paxo brings up benefits and Jezza doesn't know what he's talking about.
    I stand by my previous statements.

    Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.
    He's not being nearly as aggressive with Jezza as he was with Ed.
    I'd disagree. I think he's more aggressive now, than he even was with Ed.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986

    Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.

    It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.

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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    DavidL said:

    Corbyn doing rather well.

    Corbyn's initial answer on the monarchy got a laugh from me and the audience and unsettled Paxo.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    woody662 said:

    This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.

    The Tories are playing the man, not the ball. Will the voters deliver the red card?
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    RobD said:

    Argh, don't clap the questions!

    Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?
    Phew MI6 is safe !
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,698

    Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.

    It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.

    It's straight from the Trump playbook
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Paxman is such a Tory turd, telling Corbyn "You don't like (the queen), do you?"
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    surbiton said:

    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.

    It seems to be the opposite approach to Neil, who focussed on only a couple of issues.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,698
    calum said:

    RobD said:

    Argh, don't clap the questions!

    Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?
    Phew MI6 is safe !
    Yup, nobody wants to abolish 007.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    edited May 2017
    And its over

    Corbyn 11/10

    Tariff free access most important.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.

    It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.

    It's straight from the Trump playbook
    Bang on the money with that comment. Another man getting most of his support from credulous cretins.
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    The man has no principles he's willing to defend not one straight answer to a question
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575
    Not often that you see two Jeremys in one room
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    surbiton said:

    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.

    He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,510

    surbiton said:

    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.

    He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.

    Seriously past it I am afraid.
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    Jason said:

    Corbyn nervous as hell, clearly. I don't really know what to make of it. He could be our PM next week, fucking terrifying.

    TMICIPM next week.

    You know it i know it

    JUST STOP PANICKING
    i'm not sure anymore this could be Trump/Brexit mkIII. we're doooooommmmmed
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,575

    surbiton said:

    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.

    He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.

    You're right. Unlike Neil he isn't willing to do some softening up first.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    I question the sanity of any person who thinks Corbyn is fit and capable of being a PM.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    calum said:

    RobD said:

    Argh, don't clap the questions!

    Are you sure they weren't applauding the idea of abolishing MI5 and Special Branch?
    Phew MI6 is safe !
    Yup, nobody wants to abolish 007.
    Not sure his "Shoot to kill policy" will be permitted with Jezz in Number 10.

    Q: "What is James Bond' number under JC?"

    A: "7"
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,321
    edited May 2017
    What matters is influence on floaters.

    Getting Trident / MI5 / Monarchy into people's minds is not good for Corbyn.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    surbiton said:

    For someone with Paxman's experience he is asking daft questions.

    He is awful, isn't he. Looking for a knock-out with every question and way too shouty.

    Yep.

    Past his best.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,698
    Anorak said:

    Security still Corbyn's huge credibility problem.

    It is. He's lied about Trident. He's lied about the IRA. He seems to get away with it.

    It's straight from the Trump playbook
    Bang on the money with that comment. Another man getting most of his support from credulous cretins.
    If he starts chanting 'Lock her up'
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,190
    Corbyn struggling badly over the Falklands --> defending Britain
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Adam Boulton would've been better !
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jason said:

    I question the sanity of any person who thinks Corbyn is fit and capable of being a PM.

    Nearly half the country is bonkers then!
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