Seriously tell us something positive the Tories are planning
The facts of his behaviour which you are happy to stand behind tell us all we need to know about him his possible government and of course you.
The tories stand for fiscal monetary social and security responsibility, labour stand for spending wastefully and borrowing flagrantly.
Not on average they dont
The Tories have been the biggest borrowers over the last 70years. The documented figures are as follows: The average Tory annual borrowing in their 42 years in office was £22.9 billion compared to Labour’s annual borrowing of £17.4 billion during their 28 years in office. (Data source: The basic data on borrowing came from the House of Commons Library)
And even if it were true its not enough to win big after the main proposals of another 8 yrs of Austerity and House Theft from Granny
I take it that is just the sum of borrowing divided by the number of years, which significantly up-weights the huge deficit left by Labour in 2010.
You would imagine Attlee might have borrowed quite a bit though.
You wouldn't imagine Attlee spending many billions of pounds though, let alone borrowing billions...
Presumably Attlee inherited a massive deficit, but had plenty of scope for reducing it (even despite all the nationalisation programmes etc)
My main point was that "one billion pounds" then and "one billion pounds" today are very different things, as Rob has been saying rather more clearly, repeatedly, to no avail whatsoever. Should have italicised the word "billion" to make my point clearer.
I'm trying my best
You're a hero all the way, Rob, but you're fighting a 386 battle.
(Bet you knew where that link was pointing before you hovered...)
Hah, sums up many posts here on PB. But that's what debating is all about
The questions are chosen to be difficult for Corbyn. Assuming balance and May gets the same spin bowling, I worry how she's going to cope? Unless she ignores the questions as previously.
He's not convincing the Tory businessman but he doesn't need to.
In a few months (if he won) he will be hiking taxes for people like him, and he will need them not to change their income patterns as a result. Never gonna happen.
Why shouldn't there be VAT on luxury services from private schools? Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato. I wish he'd say no, he wouldn't use nukes.
I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.
Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?
Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.
Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.
Crosby maybe can't be blamed for the manifesto screw up but there are many other mistakes in this campaign that can be laid squarely at his door. He seems to be phoning it in based on a mistaken belief than not much has changed since 2015.
The 'coalition of chaos' angle was a major mistake. They needed to use the Lib Dems as a foil to go after Labour from the left, but instead allowed Corbyn to monopolise the opposition.
On the basis of Corbyn's performance tonight, agreeing to this format instead of a head-to-head was another misstep.
I think turnout may well be up on last GE - both May and Corbyn reaching places Miliband & Cameron couldn't.
Turnout in Scotland increased 7.3 pp between 2010 and 2015. Could Brexit have a similar effect on turnout for the UK as a whole?
Pretty sure turnout will be down in Scotland this time.
Assuming g the same drop between reported 10/10 and actual turnout then turnout will be hugely down and Tories will take a huge number of seats on differential turnout.
Corbyn really is doing well. But his backstory will not go away.
Come on we need Leamington as a LAB gain to get rid of this terrible Govt to get a sensible BREXIT a fairer society piblic services we can be proud of.
This election is all about making sure Labour voters will hold their noses and vote Labour.
I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.
If Labour is sensible post 8th June this campaign could be a positive turning point for the party. Someone without Corbyn's back story, unencumbered by some of the more ridiculous policies in the manifesto (renationalisation, middle class freebies) could make hay. Very, very big If, though.
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who died on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
You're confusing the Anglo-Irish Agreement (1985) with the Good Friday Agreement (1988). rkrkrk has already posted a link proving he voted for the GFA.
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
Hopefully its just the types who have to win petty online squabbles to feel good about themselves rather than normal people in the real world
Amazing that Corbyn didn't deny he stood for a minutes silence at the funerals of IRA terrorists who were killed on their way to attacking our policemen and people say "10/10" "knocked it out the park"
I agree. Astonishing how low his apologists have set the bar. This idiot could be our PM next week, it's utterly horrifying.
This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.
I thought Corbyn did very well in the first part. That format plays to his strengths. However, all anyone remembers of the same show with Miliband Minor two years ago was that ridiculous "Am I tough enough? Hell yeah!" comment. So, we will see. Paxman will make heavy weather but it's not impossible that the audience will then have sympathy for Corbyn.
This terrorism stuff on Corbyn is getting boring. I cannot understand how the economics of his manifesto are going unchallenged. The costs of nationalisation as industries become as inefficient as every other government run operation, how many immigrants to build half a million council houses ect. I've never known such a poorly run national campaign as this.
The Tories are playing the man, not the ball. Will the voters deliver the red card?
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You're mistaken.
That's not a good line.
I don't think JC has put them off with this performance.
HE VOTED FOR GFA ffs
From someone who is not a Corbynista.
Corbyn is doing well but he sounds breathless and staccato.
I wish he'd say no, he wouldn't use nukes.
Also, you could see the audience was engaged, and interested in what he had to say.
Now will Paxman ask the Monarchy question?
The 'coalition of chaos' angle was a major mistake. They needed to use the Lib Dems as a foil to go after Labour from the left, but instead allowed Corbyn to monopolise the opposition.
On the basis of Corbyn's performance tonight, agreeing to this format instead of a head-to-head was another misstep.
The May landslide will see the opposite.
Hold your nose
Con supporters sit there politely - Lab supporters will have a go at May.
Match that Theresa
He's not really catching out Corbyn.
Springwatch is one of the best programmes on the box.
Paxman's ultra-aggressive strategy isn't making Corbyn look 'bad'.
You know it i know it
JUST STOP PANICKING
Corbyn 11/10
Tariff free access most important.
Q: "What is James Bond' number under JC?"
A: "7"
Getting Trident / MI5 / Monarchy into people's minds is not good for Corbyn.
Past his best.