Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
Nearly half the vote went to extreme right or left candidates. This is more like Hindenburg winning in 1932. Preferable to the alternatives, but cold comfort.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
The polls have been pretty accurate in France so far, and they predict a 2:1 win for Macron in round two. That may change, but tonight is a great night for Macron, and an OK night for Le Pen. Remember, just two weeks ago there wasn't a single poll that didn't have Le Pen in front.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
SUPREME EFFORT. Looks like the populist right is about to get smashed. Bring on Round Two.
LET'S ALL MOVE TO FRANCE.
Kind of worrying that Le Pen is doing this well though isn't it? Depending on how things go for Macron in the next few years you could see her having a real chance of the Presidency in four years?
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
And Macron will be an embarrassing failure - just like Hollande has been.
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
Sounds like French polls are pretty spot on. A lesson for the second round. I have been tipping Macron to come top for weeks. Even this morning he was at 3.
I like Macron, he has charm and charisma, and It is delighful to have a politician spreading optimism rather than fear.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
Certainly at least it's a bit much for it to be a 'triumph' over any ideology yet - he edged the first round and will handsomely win the second.
SUPREME EFFORT. Looks like the populist right is about to get smashed. Bring on Round Two.
LET'S ALL MOVE TO FRANCE.
Kind of worrying that Le Pen is doing this well though isn't it? Depending on how things go for Macron in the next few years you could see her having a real chance of the Presidency in four years?
No chance. Macron will win easily and centrism will be revived in the world's fifth largest economy. A night for most decent folk to celebrate. Viva La France!
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
This will be the live results from actual counts. Like saying Labour are ahead after Sunderland declared I guess.
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
And Macron will be an embarrassing failure - just like Hollande has been.
He's a bright tough cookie. France has three problems - the labour market, vested interests and the Euro - and he's got the right answers about two of them. Mme Le Pen has the right answer about one. I think we all have a tendency to see the French economy too much through the eyes of "the Euro" and "the EU". In truth, France is an over-regulated economy, and Fillon would probably have done the best job of sorting that out. But Le Pen - who believes that the French economy is too free market - would have been a disaster for average French people.
If you click on the areas in France you can see the breakdown in districts - but the final result for that area is not going to be shown until all of them are counted.
Dont forget many areas stopped voting 1 3/4 hours ago.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
The polls have been pretty accurate in France so far, and they predict a 2:1 win for Macron in round two. That may change, but tonight is a great night for Macron, and an OK night for Le Pen. Remember, just two weeks ago there wasn't a single poll that didn't have Le Pen in front.
Correct. Amazing effort from Macron – who is making history doing it without a party machine. @SeanT should doff his gin-addled Cornish cap.
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
This will be the live results from actual counts. Like saying Labour are ahead after Sunderland declared I guess.
Every time I hope there's not-very-attentive people on both sides who get really over excited/upset by the early slew of Labour results from the north east.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
And Macron will be an embarrassing failure - just like Hollande has been.
He's a bright tough cookie. France has three problems - the labour market, vested interests and the Euro - and he's got the right answers about two of them. Mme Le Pen has the right answer about one. I think we all have a tendency to see the French economy too much through the eyes of "the Euro" and "the EU". In truth, France is an over-regulated economy, and Fillon would probably have done the best job of sorting that out. But Le Pen - who believes that the French economy is too free market - would have been a disaster for average French people.
Fillon certainly has liberal employment views when it comes to close family!
I do not know much about French politics but it does seem that Macron is the right choice and hope that there will be stability in France and wish the Country well
Obviously at your own risk, but if you believe the level-pegging (at the top) poll, you can lay Macron to win round one at 1.13. I did that a bit, just to eliminate any redness.
Morris, I believe you have been on Macron to win in both rounds for a while? A position I quietly considered wrong (I assumed Le Pen would win Round One). Yet you look near certain to be correct. All credit to you.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
Hollande almost certainly voted for Macron as did half the cabinet.
I do not know much about French politics but it does seem that Macron is the right choice and hope that there will be stability in France and wish the Country well
May was at least shrewd in that the only French presidential candidate she invited to 10 Downing Street was Macron
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
And Macron will be an embarrassing failure - just like Hollande has been.
He's a bright tough cookie. France has three problems - the labour market, vested interests and the Euro - and he's got the right answers about two of them. Mme Le Pen has the right answer about one. I think we all have a tendency to see the French economy too much through the eyes of "the Euro" and "the EU". In truth, France is an over-regulated economy, and Fillon would probably have done the best job of sorting that out. But Le Pen - who believes that the French economy is too free market - would have been a disaster for average French people.
Even assuming he has the right answers doesn't mean he will be able to put them into practice.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
watch as his missus case gets quietly kicked in to the long grass
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
The polls have been pretty accurate in France so far, and they predict a 2:1 win for Macron in round two. That may change, but tonight is a great night for Macron, and an OK night for Le Pen. Remember, just two weeks ago there wasn't a single poll that didn't have Le Pen in front.
But Macron will only win because he's facing the still-tainted Le Pen.
He got 24%, at best. It's not some crowning endorsement or stunning triumph.
The French are confused, conflicted and unhappy, and this is reflected in the wild spread of votes.
That said I hear Macron is a mild Anglophile, and pro-business, so he might be OK for Brexit.
Macron is a smart, successful guy, bright, tough guy. That may not be enough, as France has problems aplenty, and the vested interests are huge. But at least he understands basic economics.
Also, you know what, good for him for starting his own political movement at 39 and topping the French polls.
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
This will be the live results from actual counts. Like saying Labour are ahead after Sunderland declared I guess.
Every time I hope there's not-very-attentive people on both sides who get really over excited/upset by the early slew of Labour results from the north east.
And we pray that they're making bets based on the seat numbers on the TV in front of them!
First real indicator is usually Nuneaton, everything else before about 02:30 is just noise.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
They will all endorse Macron as all candidates endorsed Chirac v her father in 2002, the only endorsement Le Pen might get is Dupont Aignan
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
Er, he got maybe a quarter of the vote at most, and edged out a hard right candidate by about 1 point (maybe). He might even be second behind Le Pen (we don't know yet)
In truth, the French haven't gone for ANYONE. They've voted all over the place in a kind of flailing despair, from communist to anarchist.
The polls have been pretty accurate in France so far, and they predict a 2:1 win for Macron in round two. That may change, but tonight is a great night for Macron, and an OK night for Le Pen. Remember, just two weeks ago there wasn't a single poll that didn't have Le Pen in front.
But Macron will only win because he's facing the still-tainted Le Pen.
He got 24%, at best. It's not some crowning endorsement or stunning triumph.
The French are confused, conflicted and unhappy, and this is reflected in the wild spread of votes.
That said I hear Macron is a mild Anglophile, and pro-business, so he might be OK for Brexit.
Macron will slaughter Le Pen in the second round.
He is less radical than Fillon in his planned economic reforms, but is inclined in the right direction, and much more likely to bring a majority of tbe country with him.
The assembly is likely to be pro reform, with quite a Republican and centrist majority.
Can someone explain Macron's apppeal? Seems bizarre France would now suddenly go for a Blair type figure given how discredited centrist politicans are elsewhere in the world.
People finally coming to their senses after seeing the embarrassing shambles that are Trump, Corbyn and Brexit?
And Macron will be an embarrassing failure - just like Hollande has been.
He's a bright tough cookie. France has three problems - the labour market, vested interests and the Euro - and he's got the right answers about two of them. Mme Le Pen has the right answer about one. I think we all have a tendency to see the French economy too much through the eyes of "the Euro" and "the EU". In truth, France is an over-regulated economy, and Fillon would probably have done the best job of sorting that out. But Le Pen - who believes that the French economy is too free market - would have been a disaster for average French people.
Even assuming he has the right answers doesn't mean he will be able to put them into practice.
I don't disagree. He has a real fight on his hands.
We should probably be wary of that on our election nights too (apologies for posting that tweet before, but if I hadn't and it proved accurate I didn't want people to lose money).
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement.
Only a personal one. There will probably be other leading figures in LR who back Le Pen.
Does anyone have a link to the livecount. Betfair is at 1.25 for Macron to win the first round, which might be utterly enormous, but I'd like to see some results for myself.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
They will all endorse Macron as all candidates endorsed Chirac v her father in 2002, the only endorsement Le Pen might get is Dupont Aignan
It's a shame NDA never got the mojo. France - and Europe generally - needs sensible Eurosceptics. (As opposed to anti-semitic or plain mad ones.)
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
This will be the live results from actual counts. Like saying Labour are ahead after Sunderland declared I guess.
Every time I hope there's not-very-attentive people on both sides who get really over excited/upset by the early slew of Labour results from the north east.
And we pray that they're making bets based on the seat numbers on the TV in front of them!
First real indicator is usually Nuneaton, everything else before about 02:30 is just noise.
The thing I hate most about election night is politicians on the TV between 10pm and 2am who say "I'm not here to speculate".
Hmm. Seeing Twitter reports that the French Interior Ministry is reporting Le Pen ahead of Macron. Some replies indicating this is before big cities report. I was bit unsure of posting it, but here's an example: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
This will be the live results from actual counts. Like saying Labour are ahead after Sunderland declared I guess.
Every time I hope there's not-very-attentive people on both sides who get really over excited/upset by the early slew of Labour results from the north east.
And we pray that they're making bets based on the seat numbers on the TV in front of them!
First real indicator is usually Nuneaton, everything else before about 02:30 is just noise.
Swindon North was first last time at about 12:40am.
I notice that Le Pen has won a lot of local authorities and not just come 2nd or 3rd in lots of them, consistently. Worrying that France is so divided.
We should probably be wary of that on our election nights too (apologies for posting that tweet before, but if I hadn't and it proved accurate I didn't want people to lose money).
The Interior Ministry doesn't do SMS apparently.
It is true that the cities did close their stations later so some flow in results may be expected.
I notice that Le Pen has won a lot of local authorities and not just come 2nd or 3rd in lots of them, consistently. Worrying that France is so divided.
Fillon now conceding and urges supporters to focus on runoff, says he will vote for Macron in runoff to keep out Le Pen but it is for his voters' conscience to choose what is best for their country
as good as an endorsement. Now what about melenchon... and Hollande...
They will all endorse Macron as all candidates endorsed Chirac v her father in 2002, the only endorsement Le Pen might get is Dupont Aignan
It's a shame NDA never got the mojo. France - and Europe generally - needs sensible Eurosceptics. (As opposed to anti-semitic or plain mad ones.)
If it had been Juppe as LR candidate rather than Fillon Juppe may have done better overall and perhaps even beaten Macron but NDA would have got some of Fillon's support
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What would happen if Corbyn drops out and the NEC elects Cooper as Leader ?
"There can be only one..."
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/856214386767257601
Also the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/apr/23/french-presidential-election-results-2017-latest
I like Macron, he has charm and charisma, and It is delighful to have a politician spreading optimism rather than fear.
Vive La France!
you'll be in France
Chortle.
So, somewhat useful but shouldn't be treated as representative of the country as a whole, but the more rural parts.
I'll still post on here Alan, you won't get rid of me that easily monsieur!
Dont forget many areas stopped voting 1 3/4 hours ago.
Morris, I believe you have been on Macron to win in both rounds for a while? A position I quietly considered wrong (I assumed Le Pen would win Round One). Yet you look near certain to be correct. All credit to you.
Also, you know what, good for him for starting his own political movement at 39 and topping the French polls.
The French interior ministry warned a couple of hours back that SMS messages putting out results claiming to be from them are not genuine.
First real indicator is usually Nuneaton, everything else before about 02:30 is just noise.
Mr. Rabbit, election night may be quite interesting. An apt analogy.
Mr. Sandpit, cheers.
He is less radical than Fillon in his planned economic reforms, but is inclined in the right direction, and much more likely to bring a majority of tbe country with him.
The assembly is likely to be pro reform, with quite a Republican and centrist majority.
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/856205132874346498
We should probably be wary of that on our election nights too (apologies for posting that tweet before, but if I hadn't and it proved accurate I didn't want people to lose money).
The exit poll was done by Ipsos. Are they better in France than they are in the UK?
The Tories blew it. Fillon is a goner.
I'm with you there, comrade.
It is true that the cities did close their stations later so some flow in results may be expected.
Amazing. Of course there was always a chance it would happen but to see it actually transpire. Fabulous. A real two fingers up to the naysayers.
Now all we need to do is wallop Chelsea in the final.
You can fault the Conservatives for many things, but an unwillingness or inability to oust a leader is not one of them.
Mr. Pulpstar, interesting, he's gone out a little. Was 1.1 last I checked.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39686239