Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Options

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Momentum’s cunning plan to change the narrative about LAB’s ch

1246

Comments

  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,876
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    That is how they waste our money , you could not make it up.
    They're reporting independent research:

    More than half a million Scottish jobs – around one in four – depend on Scotland’s trade with the rest of the UK, new research published today reveals. That is more than four times as many jobs supported by EU trade.

    The figures from the Fraser of Allander Institute show:

    around 530,000 jobs in Scotland (nearly one in four of all jobs) are supported by demand for Scottish goods and services from the rest of the UK;

    more than 175,000 jobs in Scotland are supported by export demand from the rest of the world; and

    around 125,000 jobs in Scotland supported by export demand from the rest of the EU.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-market-supports-half-a-million-scottish-jobs

    So, Mrs Sturgeon, what first attracted you to the market that supports 125,000 jobs at the expense of the one that supports 530,000 jobs?
    Yawn, those jobs will not disappear , usual gobshite from unionists
    Ha Ha Ha , independent research from diddy mundell, the only Tory in the country...............how stupid are Tories
    University of Strathclyde:

    https://www.sbs.strath.ac.uk/economics/fraser/20170420/Exports-and-Employment-Scotland.pdf
    Mundell's moniker all over it so tainted crap.
    The Fraser of Allander Institute is Scotland's leading independent economic research institute.

    Over the last 40 years, the Fraser has developed an unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the Scottish economy and is Scotland's expert authority on economic policy issues.

    The Fraser is also widely regarded as a leading provider of forecasting, appraisal and economic consultancy services with a diverse client base from across the public, private and third sectors.


    http://www.strath.ac.uk/business/economics/fraserofallanderinstitute/
    Pull the other one it plays bells
    So, Strathclyde University is lying.......and the SNP are mugs for citing them:

    https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/843079583947767808
    Ding Dong Ding Dong
    NURSE!
  • Options
    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    That would not have got her very far. A year later with Corbyn gone Labour could have tabled its own Confidence Vote and challenged her to then call an election. What is puzzling is why Labour has gone along with an election at a time of May's choosing when there was a much more attractive option available to them.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    IanB2 said:

    AndyJS said:

    As far as UKIP are concerned, I think it's probably a case of Hartlepool or nothing.

    Why would anyone vote UKIP there when even the monkey is backing the Tories this time?
    They're not favourites to win for sure, but it's the only seat where their chances are greater than zero IMO. Local election results have been much better than elsewhere for the party.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241

    Meanwhile, back on the day job:

    https://twitter.com/Number10gov/status/855109628891451392

    Edit - nifty metal tipped slippers Mrs May is sporting....

    Look like a pair of wally dugs
  • Options
    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,821
    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    Sssssht.
  • Options
    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    IanB2 said:

    I would suggest a visit to Dagenham might be sensible, en route to withdrawing your life savings from the bank? If it goes Tory, the world really has changed.

    We are rather in the midst of an age of seismic political events right now. Besides, Jon Cruddas beat the Tory candidate in Dagenham & Rainham in 2010 by just 2,500 votes - and I would hazard a guess that Jeremy Corbyn is a somewhat less attractive option as a future PM for the people of said constituency than Gordon Brown was.

    It requires the Ukip vote to break the right way, of course, but Labour is beatable in this seat.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Dagenham & Rainham: my take.

    1) Half of the kippers will vote for the Conservatives.
    2) One in eight Labour supporters will abstain.
    3) One in eight Labour supporters will vote Conservative.

    I think the Conservatives will take it quite comfortably.

    Seems not unreasonable.

    Context: Dagenham & Rainham is number 84 on an overall Conservative target seat list, based on 2015 results, and the Tories need an 8.5% swing to capture it. It is number 57 on the Labour defence list.

    Labour now has 48 days left to convince the voters of England and Wales that a Far Left minority Government, led by Jeremy Corbyn and propped up by Scottish Nationalism, is preferable to that of Theresa May.

    Labour is in desperate trouble.
    Labour needs to convince no such thing. Everyone knows Labour is going to lose and the Tories are going to win bigly.

    On the doorstep to an ex-Labour voter: "Do you want the Tories to have a massive majority so that they can do whatever they like, e.g. , privatise the NHS. "
  • Options
    ToryJim said:
    You couldn't make this up. Threatened to be sued maybe
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241
    Labour sound confident, they just love being Tories little helpers , keep the crumbs leftover

    Adam Ramsay‏ @AdamRamsay

    Met a Labour staffer in London this evening. Said she hopes Scotland elects Tory MPs to keep the SNP out, coz Labour's stuffed w/o Scotland.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    TGOHF said:

    Betfair seat markets are bonkers - not priced up at all well.

    I am crying right now, on crappy mobile no chance to really peruse and check the odds.
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,796
    ToryJim said:
    Obama's best mate Dawn is clearly not a latte-sipping liberal.
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    Mr. Alistair, that's assuming they stand...
  • Options
    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2017

    ToryJim said:
    You couldn't make this up. Threatened to be sued maybe
    "Having met Dawn Butler MP I can see why she is one of only two black women in parliament. She is bright, intelligent and determined."

    Signed. Obama +++
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,876
    malcolmg said:

    MTimT said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    That is how they waste our money , you could not make it up.
    They're reporting independent research:



    around 125,000 jobs in Scotland supported by export demand from the rest of the EU.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-market-supports-half-a-million-scottish-jobs

    So, Mrs Sturgeon, what first attracted you to the market that supports 125,000 jobs at the expense of the one that supports 530,000 jobs?
    Yawn, those jobs will not disappear , usual gobshite from unionists
    Ha Ha Ha , independent research from diddy mundell, the only Tory in the country...............how stupid are Tories
    University of Strathclyde:

    https://www.sbs.strath.ac.uk/economics/fraser/20170420/Exports-and-Employment-Scotland.pdf
    Mundell's moniker all over it so tainted crap.
    The Fraser of Allander Institute is Scotland's leading independent economic research institute.

    Over the last 40 years, the Fraser has developed an unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the Scottish economy and is Scotland's expert authority on economic policy issues.

    The Fraser is also widely regarded as a leading provider of forecasting, appraisal and economic consultancy services with a diverse client base from across the public, private and third sectors.


    http://www.strath.ac.uk/business/economics/fraserofallanderinstitute/
    Pull the other one it plays bells
    So, Strathclyde University is lying.......and the SNP are mugs for citing them:

    https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/843079583947767808
    Punk'd
    I am an independent intelligent thinking person.
    With limited self awareness......
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    We've already had more gaffes from the Labour campaign today than I was expecting in the first couple of weeks.
  • Options
    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,322
    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.
  • Options
    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,241

    malcolmg said:

    MTimT said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    That is how they waste our money , you could not make it up.
    They're reporting independent research:



    around 125,000 jobs in Scotland supported by export demand from the rest of the EU.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-market-supports-half-a-million-scottish-jobs

    So, Mrs Sturgeon, what first attracted you to the market that supports 125,000 jobs at the expense of the one that supports 530,000 jobs?
    Yawn, those jobs will not disappear , usual gobshite from unionists
    Ha Ha Ha , independent research from diddy mundell, the only Tory in the country...............how stupid are Tories
    University of Strathclyde:

    https://www.sbs.strath.ac.uk/economics/fraser/20170420/Exports-and-Employment-Scotland.pdf
    Mundell's moniker all over it so tainted crap.
    The Fraser of Allander Institute is Scotland's leading independent economic research institute.

    Over the last 40 years, the Fraser has developed an unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the Scottish economy and is Scotland's expert authority on economic policy issues.

    The Fraser is also widely regarded as a leading provider of forecasting, appraisal and economic consultancy services with a diverse client base from across the public, private and third sectors.


    http://www.strath.ac.uk/business/economics/fraserofallanderinstitute/
    Pull the other one it plays bells
    So, Strathclyde University is lying.......and the SNP are mugs for citing them:

    https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/843079583947767808
    Punk'd
    I am an independent intelligent thinking person.
    With limited self awareness......
    I am very self aware , greatness is easy to spot
  • Options
    AndyJS said:

    We've already had more gaffes from the Labour campaign today than I was expecting in the first couple of weeks.

    This election is heading for armageddon for labour
  • Options
    booksellerbookseller Posts: 423
    rkrkrk said:

    junius said:

    Which is the best betting company for a political betting newbie ? Best 'free bet' offers etc.

    Generally speaking betfair have the best odds i think.
    Offers wise there are comparison websites i think
    I've been looking into this as well. Bet365 have the best sign-up (but odds seem poor, although I haven't done any deep analysis!). From years of lurking on PB, Betfair seem the site for those 'in the know'...
  • Options
    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    junius said:

    Which is the best betting company for a political betting newbie ? Best 'free bet' offers etc.

    Generally Betfair is best, but often other bookies have a few more unusual markets. Ladbrokes in particular, but PaddyPower too.

    It is a bit tricky running multiple accounts, but today I had a windfall win. I had a payout on a 2017 election that I had forgotten about.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
  • Options
    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,960
    edited April 2017
    Well that was a busy evening - not often that betting distracts me from bookselling!!

    Should be packing for this weekend's Oxford Book Fair!
  • Options
    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Meanwhile, back on the day job:

    https://twitter.com/Number10gov/status/855109628891451392

    Edit - nifty metal tipped slippers Mrs May is sporting....

    All the better for applying to the soft, low hanging bits of Mr Tajani, if necessary.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    rcs1000 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Labour at 2.1 in bermondsey and Southwark?
    Simon Hughes has had his day perhaps? London is the one place you'd expect Corbyn vote to hold up?

    According to Hanretty, it was something like 75+% Remain, so that presumably is boosting the LibDem chance.
    This is one seat where I will back Labour.
  • Options
    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    Fruitcakes and loons heading back to the nest.
  • Options
    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,288
    rkrkrk said:

    junius said:

    Which is the best betting company for a political betting newbie ? Best 'free bet' offers etc.

    Generally speaking betfair have the best odds i think.
    Offers wise there are comparison websites i think
    OGH and I are shareholders in Genius Sports Group Ltd, which owns bestbetting.com

    So you should use that to check on offers and compare odds.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    Not sure why Betfair Sportsbook are putting so many safe Tory seats on their constituency betting list, and not including places like Derby South, Bury South, Bristol East, etc. Does anyone really want to bet on Aldershot or Brentwood & Ongar?
  • Options
    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Mr. Jonathan, best of luck to your son, and your good self.

    Ditto.. Jonathan, it cannot be worse than canvassing Horsham
  • Options
    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Labour at 2.1 in bermondsey and Southwark?
    Simon Hughes has had his day perhaps? London is the one place you'd expect Corbyn vote to hold up?

    According to Hanretty, it was something like 75+% Remain, so that presumably is boosting the LibDem chance.
    This is one seat where I will back Labour.
    Is that the only one
  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,876
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    MTimT said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    calum said:
    That is how they waste our money , you could not make it up.
    They're reporting independent research:



    around 125,000 jobs in Scotland supported by export demand from the rest of the EU.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-market-supports-half-a-million-scottish-jobs

    So, Mrs Sturgeon, what first attracted you to the market that supports 125,000 jobs at the expense of the one that supports 530,000 jobs?
    Yawn, those jobs will not disappear , usual gobshite from unionists
    Ha Ha Ha , independent research from diddy mundell, the only Tory in the country...............how stupid are Tories
    University of Strathclyde:

    https://www.sbs.strath.ac.uk/economics/fraser/20170420/Exports-and-Employment-Scotland.pdf
    Mundell's moniker all over it so tainted crap.
    The Fraser of Allander Institute is Scotland's leading independent economic research institute.

    Over the last 40 years, the Fraser has developed an unrivalled knowledge and understanding of the Scottish economy and is Scotland's expert authority on economic policy issues.

    The Fraser is also widely regarded as a leading provider of forecasting, appraisal and economic consultancy services with a diverse client base from across the public, private and third sectors.


    http://www.strath.ac.uk/business/economics/fraserofallanderinstitute/
    Pull the other one it plays bells
    So, Strathclyde University is lying.......and the SNP are mugs for citing them:

    https://twitter.com/theSNP/status/843079583947767808
    Punk'd
    I am an independent intelligent thinking person.
    With limited self awareness......
    I am very self aware , greatness is easy to spot
    My case rests.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    AndyJS said:

    Not sure why Betfair Sportsbook are putting so many safe Tory seats on their constituency betting list, and not including places like Derby South, Bury South, Bristol East, etc. Does anyone really want to bet on Aldershot or Brentwood & Ongar?

    Looking to catch Corbynistas in the shires?
  • Options
    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    malcolmg said:

    Labour sound confident, they just love being Tories little helpers , keep the crumbs leftover

    Adam Ramsay‏ @AdamRamsay

    Met a Labour staffer in London this evening. Said she hopes Scotland elects Tory MPs to keep the SNP out, coz Labour's stuffed w/o Scotland.

    It has a certain fascinating, although obviously-flawed, logic.

    I hope someone is filing all these quotes for publication in bound form. Stocking-stuffer material ...
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017
    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
    Labour could have easily voted against. The motion would not have received 2/3rds majority. Corbyn is a fool.
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Why didn't Conservatives win the Stoke on Trent Central by election?
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,076
    Evening. God did I choose the wrong week to be on customer site. On topic, I'm sure @Shadsy will be over the moon to take their money, and probably won't be cutting the odds too much either.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
    Labour could have easily voted against. The motion would not have received 2/3rds majority.
    I think they could have too, and dared May to go the no confidence route - that the voted for it, nullifies many of the criticism however, and it was still lawful. Less about the spirit of the law, admittedly.
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    Mr. T, Conservatives won't get that high.

    Labour could conceivably get that low. If they did, the Lib Dems would do quite well in share of the vote (which is irrelevant).
  • Options
    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited April 2017
    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    GE2015: Con+Ukip+DUP = absolute majority of all votes cast; Con+Ukip = 55% of all votes cast in England. And that was before the whole Corbyn thing got started.

    If Ukip collapses *AND* May can collect the bulk of their votes then Labour have completely had it.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    isam said:

    Why didn't Conservatives win the Stoke on Trent Central by election?

    Because Labour are, believe it or not, too strong to be destroyed, even if they are 20 points behind (which they probably are not).
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Labour at 2.1 in bermondsey and Southwark?
    Simon Hughes has had his day perhaps? London is the one place you'd expect Corbyn vote to hold up?

    According to Hanretty, it was something like 75+% Remain, so that presumably is boosting the LibDem chance.
    This is one seat where I will back Labour.
    Is that the only one
    Yes.
  • Options
    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    ToryJim said:
    Obama's best mate Dawn is clearly not a latte-sipping liberal.
    She sounds as thick as pigshit!
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    junius said:

    Which is the best betting company for a political betting newbie ? Best 'free bet' offers etc.

    Generally Betfair is best, but often other bookies have a few more unusual markets. Ladbrokes in particular, but PaddyPower too.

    It is a bit tricky running multiple accounts, but today I had a windfall win. I had a payout on a 2017 election that I had forgotten about.
    What kind of idiot would back a 2017 election?
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    GE2015: Con+Ukip+DUP = absolute majority of all votes cast; Con+Ukip = 55% of all vpotes cast in England. And that was before the whole Corbyn thing got started.

    If Ukip collapses *AND* May can collect the bulk of their votes then Labour have completely had it.
    We don't even know how many UKIP candidates will stand. They've struggled to find people for the local elections.
  • Options
    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,883
    The last London YouGov had an outer and inner London split and most of the Labour collapse has been in inner London. Dagenham might be OK

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5vzlbpfrb4/QueenMaryResults_London_March2017_2W.pdf
  • Options
    ab195ab195 Posts: 477
    Based on today, do the Tories require a strategy beyond "sit back, let Labour speak, and occasionally put the PM on the telly, away from the press".
  • Options
    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Dawn butler living down to her reputation...slandering a company when you are already seen as anti-business.
  • Options
    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    isam said:

    Why didn't Conservatives win the Stoke on Trent Central by election?

    Everybody knows how difficult it is to win in Stoke on a wet midweek in February.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2017
    1/14 for the Tories to hold Aldershot. Isn't that free money? Trying to work out the catch. It's been Conservative since it was created in 1918.
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Lib Dems 10-29 being backable for decent profit (and you can add 10 either side and still make money) still seems like the non-palpable bet of the election so far.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316
    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
    And Labour 20% maximum.
  • Options
    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2017
    Artist said:

    The last London YouGov had an outer and inner London split and most of the Labour collapse has been in inner London. Dagenham might be OK

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5vzlbpfrb4/QueenMaryResults_London_March2017_2W.pdf

    The BAME population of Dagenham has never been so high, and the MP is the brains behind Blue Labour
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    AndyJS said:

    1/14 for the Tories to hold Aldershot. Isn't that free money? Trying to work out the catch.

    It's all rather "Jeb Bush at 10s" at the moment. I am second guessing myself constantly.
  • Options
    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,336
    Remember dawn butler is so thick so managed to spend a day campaigning in the wrong constituency...
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
    And Labour 20% maximum.
    Labour will get 25%.
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,076
    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    And there's £80k waiting for it! Time to empty the savings account?

    Also PM after the election: Theresa May at 1.14 and Con Majority at 1.17, over a grand available on each.
  • Options
    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    Waltzing Ed not standing anywhere, official.....
  • Options
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Labour at 2.1 in bermondsey and Southwark?
    Simon Hughes has had his day perhaps? London is the one place you'd expect Corbyn vote to hold up?

    According to Hanretty, it was something like 75+% Remain, so that presumably is boosting the LibDem chance.
    This is one seat where I will back Labour.
    Is that the only one
    Yes.
    You are a bit negative and I agree Lib Dems around 15% seems reasonable
  • Options
    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    if Peter from Putney is about.. wrt my comment yesterday, try listening to Radio 5 live in the morning, and see how long it is before you cannot bear it any more.
  • Options
    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
    And Labour 20% maximum.
    Labour will get 25%.
    Polls already say no, one day in.
  • Options
    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    MTimT said:

    malcolmg said:

    Labour sound confident, they just love being Tories little helpers , keep the crumbs leftover

    Adam Ramsay‏ @AdamRamsay

    Met a Labour staffer in London this evening. Said she hopes Scotland elects Tory MPs to keep the SNP out, coz Labour's stuffed w/o Scotland.

    It has a certain fascinating, although obviously-flawed, logic.

    I hope someone is filing all these quotes for publication in bound form. Stocking-stuffer material ...
    There's no logic to it at all. If Labour can't claw its way back in Scotland - and right now, Scottish Labour looks like it's already halfway in the dustbin of history - then there is no conceivable way in which Scotland could ever be an asset to the party again.

    If it remains completely dominated by the SNP, then the Lab/Nat pact threat can be deployed against Labour in every future election it contests, up until the point at which Labour is so weak that any realistic threat of it becoming a party of Government is removed.

    If, on the other hand, the Tories make any kind of a Westminster comeback in Scotland, then their Commons majority is bolstered by x-number of seats *AND* the Lab/Nat pact can still be weaponised regardless.

    The best result in Scotland for Labour in England would be a vote for independence.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316
    edited April 2017
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
    And Labour 20% maximum.
    Labour will get 25%.
    Their vote was pretty inefficient in 2015 and I think a lot of the areas where they'll get truly hammered are where they are notionally safer on paper.
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    Mr. 195, May seems to have perfected the art of masterly inactivity. Her opponents, from the leadership contest to today, seem intent on defeating themselves.

    Mr. T, that sort of result could happen. Labour would be too weak to win, too strong to die.

    Mr. Alistair, constant second guessing is my usual F1 modus operandi (weirdly excepting the first race of this season, when I had to restrain myself and only offer three tips).
  • Options
    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,076
    AndyJS said:

    1/14 for the Tories to hold Aldershot. Isn't that free money? Trying to work out the catch. It's been Conservative since it was created in 1918.

    That's free money, was where I grew up. Military towns surrounded by leafy villages.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
    Labour could have easily voted against. The motion would not have received 2/3rds majority. Corbyn is a fool.
    It is almost as if he WANTS to destroy Labour. I'm perfectly serious. Does he harbour some inner hatred of his own party, all the years he voted against them, Tony Blair, the Iraq war, etc?

    The bollocks over a 2nd referendum this morning was classic. It's the one way he could have transformed the electoral narrative. The only possible way. Just leave open the tiny possibilty of a second vote, or a parliamentary veto on "the deal", and suddenly millions of Remoaners might have been tempted his way.

    So what does he do? Raises the possibility - but then completely rules it out four hours later.

    These aren't the actions of an imbecile. They are the actions of someone actively trying to sabotage Labour's chances, or so it seems to me.
    Sean, there is now a trend for anti-politicians, like Trump.

    Corbyn is simply NOT A POLITICIAN meaning he cannot think on his feet. He is not particularly intelligent.

    All his life, he has spoken to small audiences who accepted every word he said. When he became the accidental leader , he blinked at the headlights.
  • Options
    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,493
    edited April 2017
    The screenshot in this tweet is amusing

    https://twitter.com/isabelhardman/status/855118564906463232
  • Options

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit

    European parliament president Antonio Tajani said EU departure process could easily be reversed if there is change of UK government

    In accordance with international convention as regards foreign interference in a nation's election process, Tajani should keep his big mouth out of our affairs.
  • Options
    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    dr_spyn said:
    Despite holding one of the safest Labour seats in the country.
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    ToryJim said:

    The screenshot in this tweet is amusing

    https://twitter.com/isabelhardman/status/855118564906463232

    I don't think being prepared would have made much difference. Nonetheless, there are still MPs who have a local reputation built up over many years. They will be difficult to dislodge.
  • Options
    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Chameleon said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    MikeL said:

    Farage not standing must surely encourage any remaining UKIP supporters to back Con.

    It's as if he is unofficially endorsing her.

    UKIP could be down to 5% in the polls soon, Tories over 50%.
    That occurred to me today, too

    A result of

    Con: 50
    Lab: 23
    Lib: 11
    UKIP: 5
    Green: 5

    when Baxtered, produces

    Tories: 429 seats
    Labour: 124
    Others nowhere

    And a majority of 218

    But I suspect the calculus stops working with such extreme results, the same way thermometers stop working at 400C or whatever
    LDs will get 15%, minimum.
    And Labour 20% maximum.
    Labour will get 25%.
    Polls already say no, one day in.
    I think we need to wait and see how the polls pan out.

    On the one hand...

    * polls have a tendency to overestimate Labour support
    * polling 2 months out from the GE has consistently overestimated Labour's actual vote on each of the last six occasions

    On the other hand...

    * Labour has a lot of residual support.

    I find it hard to believe that Labour will slip much below 25%, but then again I dislike Labour strongly and am a natural pessimist.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    AndyJS said:

    1/14 for the Tories to hold Aldershot. Isn't that free money? Trying to work out the catch. It's been Conservative since it was created in 1918.

    The catch is you can't get 50 grand on.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
    Labour could have easily voted against. The motion would not have received 2/3rds majority. Corbyn is a fool.
    It is

    So what does he do? Raises the possibility - but then completely rules it out four hours later.

    These aren't the actions of an imbecile. They are the actions of someone actively trying to sabotage Labour's chances, or so it seems to me.
    Sean, there is now a trend of anti-politician, like Trump.

    Corbyn is simply NOT A POLITICIAN meaning he cannot think on his feet. He is not particularly intelligent.

    All his life, he has spoken to small audiences who accepted every word he said. When he became the accidental leader , he blinked at the headlights.
    I know he's dim, but he is surrounded by quite smart people. e.g. Seamus Milne and McDonnell are sinister but they're not cretins. So how are they fucking this up so momentously?

    It's odd. Genuinely odd.
    Either they are, actually, fools, or we all are for not seeing the brilliance. Scary thought.
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    And there's £80k waiting for it! Time to empty the savings account?

    Also PM after the election: Theresa May at 1.14 and Con Majority at 1.17, over a grand available on each.
    I deeply am regretting my strong-Hilary position i took. I do not have the depth of betting funds to invest in these rock solid investments.
  • Options
    RobDRobD Posts: 59,029
    Alistair said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    And there's £80k waiting for it! Time to empty the savings account?

    Also PM after the election: Theresa May at 1.14 and Con Majority at 1.17, over a grand available on each.
    I deeply am regretting my strong-Hilary position i took. I do not have the depth of betting funds to invest in these rock solid investments.
    The less that is said about Stein the better. :D
  • Options
    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,796
    Alistair said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    And there's £80k waiting for it! Time to empty the savings account?

    Also PM after the election: Theresa May at 1.14 and Con Majority at 1.17, over a grand available on each.
    I deeply am regretting my strong-Hilary position i took. I do not have the depth of betting funds to invest in these rock solid investments.
    No need for concern - Hilary will be safe in Leeds Central.
  • Options
    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    IanB2 said:

    I would suggest a visit to Dagenham might be sensible, en route to withdrawing your life savings from the bank? If it goes Tory, the world really has changed.

    We are rather in the midst of an age of seismic political events right now. Besides, Jon Cruddas beat the Tory candidate in Dagenham & Rainham in 2010 by just 2,500 votes - and I would hazard a guess that Jeremy Corbyn is a somewhat less attractive option as a future PM for the people of said constituency than Gordon Brown was.

    It requires the Ukip vote to break the right way, of course, but Labour is beatable in this seat.
    Dagenham and Rainham does look a possibility with 54.2% Con/UKIP.

    Eltham (51.4 Con+UKIP) looks possible as well.

    Westminster N and Erith and Thamesmead aren't unthinkable either. Con/UKIP within 5 of Labour.

    If UKIP consolidate behind the Tories and Corbyn is a vote killer then both are feasible.
  • Options
    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,316
    kle4 said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    surbiton said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    justin124 said:

    Rod Crosby has made interesting comments on UKPR. He too finds it odd that Corbyn went along with the Dissolution motion,and he is not convinced that May would have tabled a No Confidence Vote had that motion failed to gain 434 votes. He is very confident that the No Confidence Vote would have forced May to resign and that Corbyn would have been asked to form a Government.He cites various precedents - and I agree with him. Effectively Corbyn might have been PM by this weekend - so why did he not go down that avenue? Pure imbecility?

    I don't see why May would need to no confidence herself. Had Corbyn's Labour failed to accept the challenge of going to the nation they'd have been humiliated further and May could just continue governing without a ballot, with chicken noises every time a Labour MP ever spoke up again for the rest of Parliament until they accepted an election.
    This humiliation bullshit is for the birds. Do you think Labour would be any less humiliated in the election?

    The line should have been: we will abide by the law of the land.
    The law was abided by - it provided an avenue for the calling of an early election.
    Labour could have easily voted against. The motion would not have received 2/3rds majority. Corbyn is a fool.
    It is

    So what does he do? Raises the possibility - but then completely rules it out four hours later.

    These aren't the actions of an imbecile. They are the actions of someone actively trying to sabotage Labour's chances, or so it seems to me.
    Sean, there is now a trend of anti-politician, like Trump.

    Corbyn is simply NOT A POLITICIAN meaning he cannot think on his feet. He is not particularly intelligent.

    All his life, he has spoken to small audiences who accepted every word he said. When he became the accidental leader , he blinked at the headlights.
    I know he's dim, but he is surrounded by quite smart people. e.g. Seamus Milne and McDonnell are sinister but they're not cretins. So how are they fucking this up so momentously?

    It's odd. Genuinely odd.
    Either they are, actually, fools, or we all are for not seeing the brilliance. Scary thought.
    When the polls turn against them (no, I don't think this has happened yet), then we'll see what they're made of and it won't be pretty.
  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,876
    New Statesman:

    Could the 2017 general election turn Wales blue?
    The Conservatives have a chance to capture both the Leave Labour and the Ukip vote.

    Theresa May's bold pitch for a Brexit mandate will likely win significant support in Wales. Almost the entire Welsh political establishment supported Remain here last year. But the Welsh people voted Leave, and the polling evidence suggests that they have not changed their mind. A Brexit-focused campaign could be particularly problematic for Labour in its most iconic Welsh bastions: all of the south Wales valleys voted Leave, many by substantial margins.


    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/04/could-2017-general-election-turn-wales-blue
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    Naughty Betfair seems to have deleted my Wokingham bet.
  • Options
    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
    edited April 2017
    dr_spyn said:
    So far according to Politics Home that is

    12 Labour
    4 Conservatives
    1 Lib Dem
    1 Independent

    not standing again.

    Edit corrected as the site did not include Dugher
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    Mr. T, worth recalling even badly run campaigns can fluke their way to triumph.

    The First Crusade springs to mind.
  • Options
    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,130
    IanB2 said:

    Naughty Betfair seems to have deleted my Wokingham bet.

    Yeah, my Woking one is gone too. Oh well.
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2017
    RobD said:

    Alistair said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speaking of free money, why on earth are the Tories 1.06 for most seats ?

    Surely that should be unbackable.

    And there's £80k waiting for it! Time to empty the savings account?

    Also PM after the election: Theresa May at 1.14 and Con Majority at 1.17, over a grand available on each.
    I deeply am regretting my strong-Hilary position i took. I do not have the depth of betting funds to invest in these rock solid investments.
    The less that is said about Stein the better. :D
    0.07% between me and decent profit.

    Should have covered 1 to 2 % stronger than i did.
  • Options
    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    isam said:

    Artist said:

    The last London YouGov had an outer and inner London split and most of the Labour collapse has been in inner London. Dagenham might be OK

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5vzlbpfrb4/QueenMaryResults_London_March2017_2W.pdf

    The BAME population of Dagenham has never been so high, and the MP is the brains behind Blue Labour
    The combined Ukip and Tory vote in Dagenham is 5,500 greater than the Labour vote, with insignificant support for the also-rans. It's not at all safe, regardless of the % of non-white voters.
  • Options
    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,044
    IanB2 said:

    Naughty Betfair seems to have deleted my Wokingham bet.

    My Wokingham and South Holland bets are still up, but at 1-100. Which is 1-105 or so as I have £1.04 on each.

    Still it is better than the bank :p
  • Options
    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,493
    Mr Dancer I don't think Corbyn is going to fluke his way to Downing St. If he does Chris Mullins could become a much richer man.
  • Options
    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,117
    Might bet on this election! Hopefully I've learnt enough in the 3-4 years I've been reading this site!
  • Options
    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I am hoping for a 58 - 1 win for the SNP. The one will be Orkney and Shetland.
  • Options
    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,876
    Martin Kettle:

    A Macron victory would be much the best outcome among the available choices, not just for France but for the EU. And that means, though Theresa May will be loth to admit it, a Macron win would ultimately be good for Britain too. Negotiating with Macron over the next two years will not be easy, because he understandably shares the same priority as Germany and most of the EU27 that the union must be defended and made stronger. On every other count, though, he would be by far the least worst of the options.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/20/election-britain-france-emmanuel-macron-brexit?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Which one Candidate has May met, Martin?
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    Mr. T/Mr. Jim, I agree.

    It's not impossible, but I suspect the First Crusade was him becoming leader. The current situation is more Fourth Crusade.
  • Options
    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,587
    kle4 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Naughty Betfair seems to have deleted my Wokingham bet.

    Yeah, my Woking one is gone too. Oh well.
    I've sent in a complaint and will follow it through the procedure. The admin will probably cost them as much as my potential winnings.
  • Options
    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,037
    I had a tenner on Redwood for Wokingham at 61....

    *sighs*

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Ba_xCg96E
  • Options
    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited April 2017
    If I find the time i will be breaking out the Simple Moronic Analysis Prediction for Scotland (SMAPS) system again.

    It is the startlingly accurate, "what if all Indy voters vote for the SNP" approach to Scottish elections. This time I'll add differential turnout variables to it.
This discussion has been closed.