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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    Gotta love them Momentum types.

    I feel like the right wing headbangers (and I mean the reallllly crazy ones, not merely hard brexiting leavers) aren't getting enough attention because of them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,778
    Loooooll!!!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,501
    Because the bookies are so poor, they need all the help they can get.....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,324
    I thought Corbyn was against rigged systems.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,081
    Ifop

    1st round

    Macron 24%
    Le Pen 22.5%
    Fillon 19.5%
    Melenchon 18.5%

    Runoff

    Macron 61%
    Le Pen 39%
    http://m.parismatch.com/Actu/Politique/Sondage-presidentielle-Macron-creuse-l-ecart-1237664
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    Le Pen is back as second favourite now at Betfair.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    OldKingCole said:

    I thought Corbyn was against rigged systems.

    Don't hold the blessed JC responsible for the follies of some of his followers.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,915
    Can we direct them to the constituency markets please.
  • juniusjunius Posts: 73
    I am of no party political persuasion. Can anyone tell me the differences between 'fake news', 'political spin' - and 'subterfuge' ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,462
    Hughes is in to 8/11 now
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    junius said:

    I am of no party political persuasion. Can anyone tell me the differences between 'fake news', 'political spin' - and 'subterfuge' ?

    Fake News - The Party you would never vote for

    Political Spin - The Party you voted for last time

    Subterfuge - The Party you are voting for this time
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,941
    edited April 2017
    Twelve - Like the number of jobs George Osborne will have by Christmas. :D
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited April 2017
    Barking - at least we now know where #619 went to in such a hurry…
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,228
    My gast is utterly flabbered.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,369
    It's also an interesting insight into a fundamental error in a lot of policy-making, particularly (but not only) on the left - the idea that people passively accept a change rather than responding to it. It's a logic most visible in tax policy, but also elsewhere (e.g. McDonnell's plan to crank up the printing presses at the Bank of England).

    In fact, as those on here know, if you pile into the betting market for sentimental reasons, those not in it for sentimental reasons will graciously accept your generosity all day long by piling in on the other side of the see-saw.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,778
    I got on Bermondsey for the LDs at evens earlier and Chester at 3/10 for the Tories.

    I also did Batley and Spen at 6/4 - I don't think the Jo Cox effect will affect the Tories and their vote pool looks very promising there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    junius said:

    I am of no party political persuasion. Can anyone tell me the differences between 'fake news', 'political spin' - and 'subterfuge' ?

    I doubt there is any accepted definition that would pass muster. Personally I would suggest that fake news, an odious term that has cropped up in the past year, was supposed to refer to where stories were circulated that were just plain false, but has come to be thrown out at things that more spin. I would class spin as not telling outright falsehoods, but leaving things out, presenting things in as positive and negative a manner you can for partisan advantage, and so ruthless but not technically making things up. Subterfuge would I assume be deliberately hiding something, even suggesting you will do the opposite - so actively leading people away from the truth, rather than spin where you just try to polish it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,987
    edited April 2017
    They are a genius lot them Maomentumers. Just wait until they put their minds to solving world hunger.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Utterly pathetic from Momentum / Labour
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    Are we expecting any polling today?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    @Shadsy must be pissing himself with all the free money he is receiving.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    So the steady narrative against Labour continues

    Michael Fallon:

    “Russia will be watching Labour’s feebleness that Jeremy Corbyn has not supported this deployment… Putin would certainly welcome feebler British defence.”
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Scott_P said:

    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.

    His entire political career spent on the shadow benches - couldn’t face another 7 years..
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    I can assure them that won't work. At least not at £10 a pop.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    DavidL said:

    Are we expecting any polling today?

    Macron 4.5% ahead of Fillon. Le Pen 2nd.

    61-39 r2.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2017
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    They are a genius lot them Maomentumers. Just wait until they put their minds to solving world hunger.

    Momentum Hackney are not just bonkers Corbynites, but bonkers Corbynites who voted for Diane Abbott.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,764
    Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Junius.

    Mr. P, I'd swap the spin/subterfuge definitions. Subterfuge sounds worse than spin, to me.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    SimonStClare said:

    Barking - at least we now know where #619 went to in such a hurry…

    Is this part of the awesome ground game we were told about before last election?

    ROFL
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    Tissue_Price said:

    I can assure them that won't work. At least not at £10 a pop.

    The strategy is to bring the odds down.

    I assume they'll keep betting more to bring the odds down further.

    When Corbyn is Even money they'll have to up the stakes.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    I can assure them that won't work. At least not at £10 a pop.

    The strategy is to bring the odds down.

    I assume they'll keep betting more to bring the odds down further.

    When Corbyn is Even money they'll have to up the stakes.
    They should double him up with Asselineau. The liabilities would be "frightening".
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kle4 said:

    Gotta love them Momentum types.

    I feel like the right wing headbangers (and I mean the reallllly crazy ones, not merely hard brexiting leavers) aren't getting enough attention because of them.

    Pretty sure there is enough laughter in the world to take the piss out of both sets.
  • juniusjunius Posts: 73
    kle4 said:

    junius said:

    I am of no party political persuasion. Can anyone tell me the differences between 'fake news', 'political spin' - and 'subterfuge' ?

    I doubt there is any accepted definition that would pass muster. Personally I would suggest that fake news, an odious term that has cropped up in the past year, was supposed to refer to where stories were circulated that were just plain false, but has come to be thrown out at things that more spin. I would class spin as not telling outright falsehoods, but leaving things out, presenting things in as positive and negative a manner you can for partisan advantage, and so ruthless but not technically making things up. Subterfuge would I assume be deliberately hiding something, even suggesting you will do the opposite - so actively leading people away from the truth, rather than spin where you just try to polish it.
    Excellent. Much more precise than all/most politicians
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,369
    I think kle4 describes it right on fake news/spin/subterfuge.

    Of course, "fake news" has been widely redefined (starting with Trump in the US, but picked up by Momentum here) as, essentially, spin, or even just news you'd rather not see reported.

    When Trump talks about investigations into senior campaign staff over Russian links as "fake news", that simply isn't correct in the literal sense - they ARE definitely being investigated. It's possible he's right that the significance has been over-hyped, or that there are innocent explanations for all contacts, or that there aren't but he was in the dark. But "fake news" it isn't.
  • RestharrowRestharrow Posts: 233
    Just heard Dawn Butler on PM. Snuff Radio.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Are we expecting any polling today?

    Macron 4.5% ahead of Fillon. Le Pen 2nd.

    61-39 r2.
    No, I meant about the election in a proper country.
  • LordWakefieldLordWakefield Posts: 144
    I'm sure the bookies would be happy to increase the liability on Labour considering the source of these Mug Tenner bets.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/fmq-analysis-rare-davidson-missteps-allow-sturgeon-to-shine-1-4424633
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,501
    kle4 said:

    OldKingCole said:

    I thought Corbyn was against rigged systems.

    Don't hold the blessed JC responsible for the follies of some of his followers.
    Well - apart from those who voted to make him leader....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    I can assure them that won't work. At least not at £10 a pop.

    The strategy is to bring the odds down.

    I assume they'll keep betting more to bring the odds down further.

    When Corbyn is Even money they'll have to up the stakes.
    They should double him up with Asselineau. The liabilities would be "frightening".
    My liabilities on that combo are pretty "frightening" too.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Scott_P said:

    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.

    Blinking heck - Labour are losing some quality people.

    Is McFadden gonna stand?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,559
    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2017
    Enjoyed Polly's piece from earlier today.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/general-election-labour-annihilation-jeremy-corbyn
    Wrong, wrong and wrong again. Was ever there a more crassly inept politician than Jeremy Corbyn, whose every impulse is to make the wrong call on everything? It’s not excitingly flamboyant red radicalism that has done for Labour, but his sluggish incompetence at the absolute basics of leadership.

    Some vicious infighting in the comments.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,084
    Anorak said:

    Enjoyed Polly's piece from earlier today.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/general-election-labour-annihilation-jeremy-corbyn
    Wrong, wrong and wrong again. Was ever there a more crassly inept politician than Jeremy Corbyn, whose every impulse is to make the wrong call on everything? It’s not excitingly flamboyant red radicalism that has done for Labour, but his sluggish incompetence at the absolute basics of leadership.

    Some vicious infighting in the comments.

    Sadly true - it boils down to competence.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    Fenster said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.

    Blinking heck - Labour are losing some quality people.

    Is McFadden gonna stand?
    "but there are some of us, I think many of us, who will not accept that this blow need be mortal: who will not believe that such an end is inevitable. There are some of us who will fight, and fight, and fight again, to save the party we love."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    malcolmg said:

    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.

    Is this an Alex Salmond thread ?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Fenster said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.

    Blinking heck - Labour are losing some quality people.

    Is McFadden gonna stand?
    Jezza's son has got to get a seat somewhere

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,193
    https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/855037314619322368
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,941
    DavidL said:

    Are we expecting any polling today?

    For the next seven weeks polls could drop at any moment... Just have to keep tuned in,
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,369
    LordWakefield said:

    I'm sure the bookies would be happy to increase the liability on Labour considering the source of these Mug Tenner bets.

    I'd be interested to know how far they analyse that, and how far they just have an automatic stop-loss that kicks in so that they can't lose more than x% of market size on any particular outcome. My guess is that Shadsy has some latitude to run up a potential liability on an unlikely outcome, but not total freedom... but would be genuinely interested in that.

    In any event, though, even if there was some kind of automatic stop-loss adjustment, they'd quickly find non-mug tenners to balance it off and push the Labour price out again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    3. Is impossible.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Posting this just for some of the excitable sorts on here

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/north-korea-warns-super-mighty-preemptive-strike-will-reduce/
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Never heard of him !

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/855094005050335232
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,941
    malcolmg said:

    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.

    Tim made me laugh though... As do you Malc. If someone makes me laugh they are fine by me. :D
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Unwise. Her record as Home Secretary in that respect is not one she wants a focus on, especially for non EU immigration that she could have done something about.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/855037314619322368

    Loool

    Remind me how that ended for Labour?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    rottenborough said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    3. Is impossible.
    No, it isn't.
    There is an economic cost however.
  • CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    Cameron fucked up the timing so badly. And the dramaturgy. He should have stormed out of the negotiations saying This isn't good enough!", then he could have threatened to campaign for Leave unless he got something more, then six months later Brussels would have yielded some meaningless "better deal"....

    All of this should have been pre-arranged and secretly choreographed with Paris and Berlin and the Commission...

    What a dork he was. Just a very bad politician. BAD.

    Having the Sun and the monarch supporting Leave, and fielding a transvestite wearing lipstick and a pink beret to make the case for Remain against Nigel Farage on Question Time, also helped.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Shield against UKIP? What evidence is there that she needs one? Is Crosby misreading this?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838
    Hmm.

    Surely a gift to UKIP in the years to come, as immigration inevitably remains in the 100,000s.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Unwise. Her record as Home Secretary in that respect is not one she wants a focus on, especially for non EU immigration that she could have done something about.
    I think you're all missing the point here, she's not trying to get the EEA leavers vote. This is bread and butter 17 million leave vote stuff - UKIP just didn't have the brand that the Tories do.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,193
    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    Labour MPs have until 6pm tonight to jump according to Tom Harris.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838
    Hmm.

    Surely a gift to UKIP in the years to come, as immigration inevitably remains in the 100,000s.
    May isn't worried about the "years to come". This is all about June 8th.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,184
    Looks like these Momentum numpties have misread the email from Jezza asking us all to donate £10.

    I have promised myself that I will go to bed after the exit poll on election night. Staying up would be the political equivalent of sticking pins in my eyes for 8 hours.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,987
    edited April 2017
    Dawn butler is the idiots idiot...makes Lucy Powell look like a genius. She should be nowhere near parliament. The only thing she is good at is claiming expenses for things she shouldn't be.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    edited April 2017
    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    And people say May prioritises short term advantage over long term? Preposterous.

    We'll see how the campaign goes, and I recognise the Tories should still not be complacent, but it seems like she is overly cautious in some respects.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Pulpstar said:

    Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838
    Hmm.

    Surely a gift to UKIP in the years to come, as immigration inevitably remains in the 100,000s.
    May isn't worried about the "years to come". This is all about June 8th.
    I think that's very short-termist, and unnecessary given the polling. Look at how DC's "cast iron promise" came back to haunt him again and again and again.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Unwise. Her record as Home Secretary in that respect is not one she wants a focus on, especially for non EU immigration that she could have done something about.
    Agreed. Unless she takes students out of the numbers (which she refuses to do) then this is unachievable. Which is why she failed to achieve it as Home Sec, as you say.

    However it depends on the phrasing in the manifesto. If she commits to this in the next parliament it would be insane. If she says it is a long term aim, then fair enough. The wording will be crucial.

    Definitely has to be in aspiration territory. But leaving it at the take back control point is better. Especially if combined with it will be regulated to meet the needs of our economy from time to time (which, of course, it always should have been). At times of fairly full employment this might mean quite high immigration to sustain growth. So be it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    So, that's why they all voted for an early election?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Given how cynical May is she must already have a scapegoat in mind for why it won't be achieved. Our old friend the EU?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,559
    calum said:


    http://www.scotsman.com/news/fmq-analysis-rare-davidson-missteps-allow-sturgeon-to-shine-1-4424633

    That is what happens when you believe your own press, she ended up punch drunk. Way beyond her talent level and more gubbings to come for sure. When will we see her run south with her tail between her legs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,501
    rottenborough said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    So, that's why they all voted for an early election?
    Point and laugh at Labour
  • LordWakefieldLordWakefield Posts: 144
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    LordWakefield said:

    I'm sure the bookies would be happy to increase the liability on Labour considering the source of these Mug Tenner bets.

    I'd be interested to know how far they analyse that, and how far they just have an automatic stop-loss that kicks in so that they can't lose more than x% of market size on any particular outcome. My guess is that Shadsy has some latitude to run up a potential liability on an unlikely outcome, but not total freedom... but would be genuinely interested in that.

    In any event, though, even if there was some kind of automatic stop-loss adjustment, they'd quickly find non-mug tenners to balance it off and push the Labour price out again.
    I would guess any slight shorting off the odds on Labour would lead to the Tories drifting. That's the point were the smart money will come in for the Tories. Basically momentum don't have the financial clout to move the market against the smart money in a high volume market such as this.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    Best election campaign comment since Lucy Powell's "written in stone".
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,173
    rottenborough said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    So, that's why they all voted for an early election?
    Well exactly. Some of us trying to be sensibly critical of May, this isn't helping!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    ThreeQuidder said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    Best election campaign comment since Lucy Powell's "written in stone".
    Six more weeks of this! Pass the popcorn...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,809
    She has to commit to tens of thousands.

    Because if she doesn't, the media will say target abandoned, she won't reduce immigration etc etc and it opens her up to massive attack.

    Which is why she also must stick to pensions triple lock.

    People on here remind me of cricket commentators who always say the captain should declare but when they were captain they didn't.

    It's so easy to say take a risk when you are not responsible. When you are in the hot seat it looks very different.

    One only needs to see how self-employed NICs blew up in the Government face. May cannot risk something similar on immigration or pensions - areas which are of much greater importance to far more people.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,559
    Alanbrooke said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.

    Is this an Alex Salmond thread ?
    You saving your pocket money to pay up on June 9th
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,369
    williamglenn said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Shield against UKIP? What evidence is there that she needs one? Is Crosby misreading this?
    It may well be that Crosby's reasoning is that, if a Tory win is seen as a racing certainty, that gives right-wingers space to make a point by casting a UKIP vote, denying the Tories seats at the margins (and especially against the Lib Dems in places). They need something to give those voters on the doorstep (and over the airwaves etc).
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Floater said:

    Fenster said:

    Scott_P said:

    @stephenkb: Am hearing from reliable source that Michael Dugher is standing down.

    Blinking heck - Labour are losing some quality people.

    Is McFadden gonna stand?
    Jezza's son has got to get a seat somewhere

    Dugher is an outspoken supporter of Israel, so probably felt uncomfortable in Corbyn's Labour. Indeed, Corbyn sacked him.

    Mcfadden is an outspoken denouncer of Islamic terrorism (Corbyn sacked him for this), so I wonder if this is an organised refusal to stand....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,849
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Dawn butler is the idiots idiot...makes Lucy Powell look like a genius. She should be nowhere near parliament. The only thing she is good at is claiming expenses for things she shouldn't be.

    Don't knock her, she is one of my best results for next Labour leader, +3 grand or some such :>
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,228
    DavidL said:

    SeanT said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/855087844267896838

    Hmm.

    Unwise. Her record as Home Secretary in that respect is not one she wants a focus on, especially for non EU immigration that she could have done something about.
    Interesting. It was probably a failure she feels keenly. She could just blame Cameron for it, like so much else.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    edited April 2017
    williamglenn said:

    Given how cynical May is she must already have a scapegoat in mind for why it won't be achieved. Our old friend the EU?

    Has she ruled out including students at universities? One way to destroy the sector.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,941
    rottenborough said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    Best election campaign comment since Lucy Powell's "written in stone".
    Six more weeks of this! Pass the popcorn...
    Seven actually...
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    Congratulations to Betfair Sportsbook on having stolen a march on the rest of the bookmaking fraternity by having already posted up odds for hundreds of constituencies throughout the UK, whilst their rivals have yet to start - you've been well and truly outmanoeuvred on this occasion Shadsy!

    What a difference a few months make - in my neighbouring constituency of Richmond Park here in S.W. London, where Zac Goldsmith was toppled after forcing a by-election in December, the Tories are now 1/200 to recapture this seat from the LibDems who are on offer at 25/1, just ahead of Labour at 33/1.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,987
    edited April 2017
    The dodgy business going on with unite kinder buggers labours attack like on may being anti-democratic.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,559
    calum said:

    Never heard of him !

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/855094005050335232

    He has never uttered one word on Scotland, unbelievable.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    malcolmg said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.

    Is this an Alex Salmond thread ?
    You saving your pocket money to pay up on June 9th
    Ive told Mike to buy two new servers from the wall of money coming down south :-)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,987
    rottenborough said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    Best election campaign comment since Lucy Powell's "written in stone".
    Six more weeks of this! Pass the popcorn...
    I am going to be the size of a house by the time of the GE !!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,979
    peter_from_putney said:

    Congratulations to Betfair Sportsbook on having stolen a march on the rest of the bookmaking fraternity by having already posted up odds for hundreds of constituencies throughout the UK, whilst their rivals have yet to start - you've been well and truly outmanoeuvred on this occasion Shadsy!

    What a difference a few months make - in my neighbouring constituency of Richmond Park here in S.W. London, where Zac Goldsmith was toppled after forcing a by-election in December, the Tories are now 1/200 to recapture this seat from the LibDems who are on offer at 25/1, just ahead of Labour at 33/1.

    Wow. 25/1 looks seriously tempting. I would expect the Tories to regain it but it is not that level of certainty.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,214
    Will the last MP to stand down please turn out the lights? :lol:
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited April 2017
    peter_from_putney said:

    Congratulations to Betfair Sportsbook on having stolen a march on the rest of the bookmaking fraternity by having already posted up odds for hundreds of constituencies throughout the UK, whilst their rivals have yet to start - you've been well and truly outmanoeuvred on this occasion Shadsy!

    What a difference a few months make - in my neighbouring constituency of Richmond Park here in S.W. London, where Zac Goldsmith was toppled after forcing a by-election in December, the Tories are now 1/200 to recapture this seat from the LibDems who are on offer at 25/1, just ahead of Labour at 33/1.

    That LD price won't last more than a few seconds, so pile on..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,994
    GIN1138 said:

    rottenborough said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    ToryJim said:

    https://twitter.com/jasongroves1/status/855093315217260544

    Did she really say this? Just comical.

    Best election campaign comment since Lucy Powell's "written in stone".
    Six more weeks of this! Pass the popcorn...
    Seven actually...
    I'm planning to have to have a week in a darkened room half way through or my lungs will give out from laughter.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,764
    Mr. Putney, are the Lib Dems value, in your view, at 26 to retain Richmond?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    I have been looking at West Bromwich East. Could be an interesting result once the votes are counted in June. Depending on boundary changes the seat was pretty close in 1992 & 1987.
    Might Tom Watson be in trouble?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bromwich_East_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,084
    MikeL said:

    She has to commit to tens of thousands.

    Because if she doesn't, the media will say target abandoned, she won't reduce immigration etc etc and it opens her up to massive attack.

    Which is why she also must stick to pensions triple lock.

    People on here remind me of cricket commentators who always say the captain should declare but when they were captain they didn't.

    It's so easy to say take a risk when you are not responsible. When you are in the hot seat it looks very different.

    One only needs to see how self-employed NICs blew up in the Government face. May cannot risk something similar on immigration or pensions - areas which are of much greater importance to far more people.

    Saying it and doing it are two different things.

    This will blow up in her face sometime soon. The masses who voted Brexit to keep Johnny Foreigner out will go ballistic!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    peter_from_putney said:

    Congratulations to Betfair Sportsbook on having stolen a march on the rest of the bookmaking fraternity by having already posted up odds for hundreds of constituencies throughout the UK, whilst their rivals have yet to start - you've been well and truly outmanoeuvred on this occasion Shadsy!

    What a difference a few months make - in my neighbouring constituency of Richmond Park here in S.W. London, where Zac Goldsmith was toppled after forcing a by-election in December, the Tories are now 1/200 to recapture this seat from the LibDems who are on offer at 25/1, just ahead of Labour at 33/1.

    25/1 sounds like value considering their MP is the incumbent. I'd expect more like 4/1
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,559
    Alanbrooke said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    malcolmg said:

    FPT:
    SeanT said:

    » show previous quotes
    Meh. He was cruel and vindictive, even bullying, when he wanted to be. I feel no remorse.

    I just miss his wit and insight.

    He gave as good as he got (which was often a hell of a lot). I was never quite sure where the misogyny claims came from.

    He was a sneering whining twunt, well rid of him.

    Is this an Alex Salmond thread ?
    You saving your pocket money to pay up on June 9th
    Ive told Mike to buy two new servers from the wall of money coming down south :-)
    LOL
  • TypoTypo Posts: 195
    Hello. First post.

    Did Dawn Butler just accuse Costa Coffee (owned by UK domiciled and listed listed Whitbread) of tax dodging?
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