So much for the doom and gloom - CNBC reporting big jump in pound due to good UK manufacturing and Theresa May's large mandate to leave creating certainty of direction
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
We Brexiteers still need to get this thing through committee, unamended, third reading, and the Lords. Lets not get too eurphoric
Whatever happens next week, this is the easy part.
No one ever said this would be easy - but I bet the Eurocrats in Brussels are very worried tonight with Theresa May's mandate and their real problems with Trump
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
No, he's entitled to his opinion. Just as the bastards were. I've always felt that thematically, history moves in cycles and were currently at the furthest point from KCs views. Query whether we always will be.
What I take issue with is his attitude, very Ted Heath. In that if you disagree with him you are deluded and/or irretrievably stupid.
That's not entirely fair. Clarke respects the headbangers on the other side (like Bill Cash) who take a principled but different view.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
That even if it is a technicality it should not be difficult to adhere to such rules, so punishment would be just. However it is probably true that if his election were voided on that basis (assuming he won, which I do not think is likely) he, if permitted to re-stand, or another UKIP candidate, would win quite handily. In of itself, however, not a reason for someone not to challenge his election if indeed the allegation is correct - if it is known he breached and no-one challenges, they might as well repeal the requirement.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
The bravest MP there is Paul Farrelly, MP for Newcastle-U-Lyme. He only has a majority of 650 and the borough voted 63% leave
It's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Depends on if he is planning to stand at the next election I suppose. Given that majority, if he is planning to, then fair play for being prepared to face the consequences of his decision.
No one was expecting Hilary Benn to vote against - he had made it very clear that he would support the bill. I would have made a nuisance of myself at CLP if he had said otherwise.
I'm fairly sure that MPs in the last stage of terminal illnesses have voted before. On important votes and when you want a say you make the effort.
I seem remember John Major being ill when the cabinet were being rallied to vote for Maggie shortly before she was deposed. Maybe she has been sitting at his knee.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What has Nuttall done? I didn't see the programme.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What has Nuttall done? I didn't see the programme.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
I certainly don't blame Crick for highlighting what is a breach of the rules. But as for redress, well, I think that can safely be left in the hands of the electorate. If they think that the fact Nuttall has parachuted himself into the seat is a negative, they should bear that in mind when voting.
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
Was Powell a supporter of gay marriage?!
He was opposed to criminalisation, that's all I know.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What has Nuttall done? I didn't see the programme.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
Ideally yes, we need Labour to lose this seat and UKIP are doing their usual trick of being utterly incompetent. Let's hope Stoke is where Trump is going now in Marine One. Parachuted in?
The bravest MP there is Paul Farrelly, MP for Newcastle-U-Lyme. He only has a majority of 650 and the borough voted 63% leave
Blimey.
The 2nd bravest has to be Mary Creagh in Wakefield. Her majority is only 2,600 and the borough voted 66% leave
John Redwood's constituency voted 57% Remain.
Who will really care who voted for A50 or not in the long run? I certainly would not hold that against an MP who did not vote for it or against it. I think in the longer run voters will decide on who delivers the optimum for them (Once they get rid of Corbyn).
I do think British politics has been infected by an almost Gestapo like political fervour in which if people dare to not follow with the crowd they are deemed infidels! I hope this fades away now this process of A50 goes away because it is very distasteful.
The bravest MP there is Paul Farrelly, MP for Newcastle-U-Lyme. He only has a majority of 650 and the borough voted 63% leave
Blimey.
The 2nd bravest has to be Mary Creagh in Wakefield. Her majority is only 2,600 and the borough voted 66% leave
John Redwood's constituency voted 57% Remain.
Who will really care who voted for A50 or not in the long run? I certainly would not hold that against an MP who did not vote for it or against it. I think in the longer run voters will decide on who delivers the optimum for them (Once they get rid of Corbyn).
I do think British politics has been infected by an almost Gestapo like political fervour in which if people dare to not follow with the crowd they are deemed infidels! I hope this fades away now this process of A50 goes away because it is very distasteful.
Yes there is a quiet (and not so quiet) fascism about the whole thing: traitors, quislings, etc etc. It makes me shudder in same way that people fawning about the monarchy does.
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
Was Powell a supporter of gay marriage?!
He was opposed to criminalisation, that's all I know.
No he voted against equalling the age of consent, on a technicality. Matthew Parris confronted him about it and Powel apologised profusely but still clung to the technicality as to why voted against.. And for the fucking life of me I cant remember the technicality.
Powell of course when younger was in love with at least one young man.
The bravest MP there is Paul Farrelly, MP for Newcastle-U-Lyme. He only has a majority of 650 and the borough voted 63% leave
Blimey.
The 2nd bravest has to be Mary Creagh in Wakefield. Her majority is only 2,600 and the borough voted 66% leave
John Redwood's constituency voted 57% Remain.
Who will really care who voted for A50 or not in the long run? I certainly would not hold that against an MP who did not vote for it or against it. I think in the longer run voters will decide on who delivers the optimum for them (Once they get rid of Corbyn).
I do think British politics has been infected by an almost Gestapo like political fervour in which if people dare to not follow with the crowd they are deemed infidels! I hope this fades away now this process of A50 goes away because it is very distasteful.
Yes there is a quiet (and not so quiet) fascism about the whole thing: traitors, quislings, etc etc. It makes me shudder in same way that people fawning about the monarchy does.
The only problem with that theory is that the government is pro-leave but the baying (sp?) crowds are pro-remain.
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What has Nuttall done? I didn't see the programme.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
Nutall is certainly showing a lot of promise in his mastery of alternative facts.
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
Was Powell a supporter of gay marriage?!
He was opposed to criminalisation, that's all I know.
As for the EU he fought IT continuously, He even urged tory voters to vote Labour in the (i think) 1974 election because they were offering a referundum. Have you not seen the clip where at a hustings on leaving the Conservative party over Europe he is called Judas....."Judas, Judas, Judas was paid I am making a sacrifice"
I'd like Ken Clarke to stand as an MP again. I know he'll have been one for 50 years in 2020, and the Tories are now a long way away from many of his views (not that being in favour of the EU was a tiny position among them a year ago, though sticking to that position post referendum certainly is), but it seems only fair that every party has at least one cantankerous grandee moaning at them all the time.
Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
It was his swan song, but it was an impressive speech.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
Was Powell a supporter of gay marriage?!
He was opposed to criminalisation, that's all I know.
As for the EU he fought IT continuously, He even urged tory voters to vote Labour in the (i think) 1974 election because they were offering a referundum. Have you not seen the clip where at a hustings on leaving the Conservative party over Europe he is called Judas....."Judas, Judas, Judas was paid I am making a sacrifice"
so what are the thoughts of pb on Nuttall's home address?
The rules is the rules.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What has Nuttall done? I didn't see the programme.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
It's not just a question of invalidating the result. It's potentially a criminal matter. From the Electoral Commission:
"You should be aware that it is a serious offence to include false information on any of your nomination forms. Providing a false statement could invalidate your election, and is also punishable by an unlimited fine and/or six months imprisonment in England and Wales (12 months on indictment)"
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
What's the history between Trump and Mark Cuban? It seems like the media go to guy to give his opinion of Trump.
Mark Cuban is actually rich rather than being paper rich, is an arsehole and doesn't like Trump. So is very willing to give sound bites.
I understand this, but he appears to have some previous personal relational with Trump, as his interviews always seem to contain stories stated in a manner of knowing a lot more about Trump than simply having met him on a few occasions at the Billionaire Club Annual Ball.
I wondered what the story was. Maybe there isn't one, other than realizing the Orange one with tiny hands is a giant douche with an even bigger ego than himself.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
@paulwaugh: Asked if shad ministers to be sacked, Corbyn team say those "decisions will be taken at a later stage". So whips who defied own whip remain.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Not a breakaway, but a run for the leadership possibly, with the intention of stepping down after a couple of years.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Miliband has a massively leave voting constituency. If he wants to set up a Pro-Europe Labour, he'll need to find a new seat.
Politically I think Corbyn has made a big mistake with his support for A50. He has alienated the overwhelming majority of his own supporters - the most intense supporters of the EU. He won't gain more voters from now-kippers. They won't just say "oh he supports brexit so never mind the wage caps, the IRA, Hamas, etc etc etc" and go back to him. He's weakened his own position in the party considerably for no electoral gain.
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
@paulwaugh: Asked if shad ministers to be sacked, Corbyn team say those "decisions will be taken at a later stage". So whips who defied own whip remain.
Would it be wrong to say Jeremy Corbyn’s authority is crumbling away?
Politically I think Corbyn has made a big mistake with his support for A50. He has alienated the overwhelming majority of his own supporters - the most intense supporters of the EU. He won't gain more voters from now-kippers. They won't just say "oh he supports brexit so never mind the wage caps, the IRA, Hamas, etc etc etc" and go back to him. He's weakened his own position in the party considerably for no electoral gain.
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
I actually think tonight demonstrates that he thinks he'll be leading Labour into the next election.
It was the first time I've seen him make a decision based on electoral maths.
Politically I think Corbyn has made a big mistake with his support for A50. He has alienated the overwhelming majority of his own supporters - the most intense supporters of the EU. He won't gain more voters from now-kippers. They won't just say "oh he supports brexit so never mind the wage caps, the IRA, Hamas, etc etc etc" and go back to him. He's weakened his own position in the party considerably for no electoral gain.
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
Declaring a free vote, and his own intention to vote with the government would have been enough.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Miliband has a massively leave voting constituency. If he wants to set up a Pro-Europe Labour, he'll need to find a new seat.
I think you underestimate how much currency 'they lied to you' will have over the next few years.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Miliband has a massively leave voting constituency. If he wants to set up a Pro-Europe Labour, he'll need to find a new seat.
I think you underestimate how much currency 'they lied to you' will have over the next few years.
blah blah blah
However Ed could win an internecine war, when Corbyn collapses. Shame that 50/1 (Ladbrokes) is not particularly tempting. I'd be prepared to back him at 100/1 - for a small sum of course.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Not a breakaway, but a run for the leadership possibly, with the intention of stepping down after a couple of years.
It would be interesting to see a poll of the Labour selectorate. Do we know the state of play at Unite? If McCluskey is beaten by the moderate challenger in the union's spring election Jezza's position looks weaker still.
Politically I think Corbyn has made a big mistake with his support for A50. He has alienated the overwhelming majority of his own supporters - the most intense supporters of the EU. He won't gain more voters from now-kippers. They won't just say "oh he supports brexit so never mind the wage caps, the IRA, Hamas, etc etc etc" and go back to him. He's weakened his own position in the party considerably for no electoral gain.
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
Declaring a free vote, and his own intention to vote with the government would have been enough.
@TheWhiteRabbit England's Glory Matches made by Morelands of Gloucester, later owned by Bryant & May. Boat based on HMS Devastation. The brand is currently owned by Swedish Match.
I liked the playing on words, and use of images. In any case my father took me on visits to inspect the factory.
Politically I think Corbyn has made a big mistake with his support for A50. He has alienated the overwhelming majority of his own supporters - the most intense supporters of the EU. He won't gain more voters from now-kippers. They won't just say "oh he supports brexit so never mind the wage caps, the IRA, Hamas, etc etc etc" and go back to him. He's weakened his own position in the party considerably for no electoral gain.
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
I actually think tonight demonstrates that he thinks he'll be leading Labour into the next election.
It was the first time I've seen him make a decision based on electoral maths.
Given that most 2015 Labour voters are Remainers his grasp of maths must be as poor as his grasp of leadership.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Miliband has a massively leave voting constituency. If he wants to set up a Pro-Europe Labour, he'll need to find a new seat.
I think you underestimate how much currency 'they lied to you' will have over the next few years.
blah blah blah
However Ed could win an internecine war, when Corbyn collapses. Shame that 50/1 (Ladbrokes) is not particularly tempting. I'd be prepared to back him at 100/1 - for a small sum of course.
Sooner or later, someone will work out what type of Labour members these mostly are/were: supporters of Mr Corbyn, or supporters of a more traditional Labour approach. If the latter - people for whom this is the last straw - then Labour's left wing is strengthened even more.
I am sort of thinking that ed Milibands obvious manoeuvres are aimed at a breakaway real Labour party in the event of by election disaster later this month. I can't believe he fancies another shot at leadership for himself, but he might be contemplating eminence grise status in a new party.
Yes, that's a reasonable conclusion to draw. There's something up.
Miliband has a massively leave voting constituency. If he wants to set up a Pro-Europe Labour, he'll need to find a new seat.
I think you underestimate how much currency 'they lied to you' will have over the next few years.
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Even funnier would be if he finally lived up to the 'Lib Dem in all but name' jokes (Clegg even made the joke at conference) and flipped sides after 50 years as a Tory MP (though I would think like lifelong Labour supporters now denounced as Tories in all but name but leadership supporters, he'd never do so).
Be LEAVE!
https://twitter.com/TrumpDraws/status/826542931112660992
Personally, I don't think he should be excluded from the ballot on a technicality. If Labour win, it should be by defeating Nuttall.
UKIP have done this way too often in various elections and need o be shown that it is not acceptable.
Besides, who would want someone as MP who can't even organise their own election properly? He would probably do a Baldrick and forget what he was supposed to be voting for.
What would Enoch Powell think of the current Conservative Party? He'd probably be very supportive of leaving the EU, curbs on immigration, and gay marriage. But, hostile towards any drift towards protectionism.
PAGING UKIP media team....
Not too familar with US politics but does that mean he now succeeds John Kerry
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
I do think British politics has been infected by an almost Gestapo like political fervour in which if people dare to not follow with the crowd they are deemed infidels! I hope this fades away now this process of A50 goes away because it is very distasteful.
Powell of course when younger was in love with at least one young man.
Have you not seen the clip where at a hustings on leaving the Conservative party over Europe he is called Judas....."Judas, Judas, Judas was paid I am making a sacrifice"
Economic, cultural or something else ?
"You should be aware that it is a serious offence to include false information on any of
your nomination forms. Providing a false statement could invalidate your election,
and is also punishable by an unlimited fine and/or six months imprisonment in
England and Wales (12 months on indictment)"
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/electoral_commission_pdf_file/0015/14154/UKPE-CA-by-election-guidance.pdf
Maybe the UK's version of James Comey will step up to the mark.
Prosecutors Weigh Child-Pornography Charges Against Anthony Weiner
https://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-weigh-child-pornography-charges-against-anthony-weiner-1485894771
I wondered what the story was. Maybe there isn't one, other than realizing the Orange one with tiny hands is a giant douche with an even bigger ego than himself.
@paulwaugh: Asked if shad ministers to be sacked, Corbyn team say those "decisions will be taken at a later stage". So whips who defied own whip remain.
https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/826917798458847237
To be clear I support the voting in favour of A50, but think as far as internal party politics go it was a mistake for him.
It was the first time I've seen him make a decision based on electoral maths.
However Ed could win an internecine war, when Corbyn collapses. Shame that 50/1 (Ladbrokes) is not particularly tempting. I'd be prepared to back him at 100/1 - for a small sum of course.
England's Glory Matches made by Morelands of Gloucester, later owned by Bryant & May. Boat based on HMS Devastation. The brand is currently owned by Swedish Match.
I liked the playing on words, and use of images. In any case my father took me on visits to inspect the factory.
En Marche
Emmanuel Macron
Ed Miliband