"I thought Sky had to provide balance but it is totally lacking from him"
To be fair to the BBC, they nay have a Metropolitan Liberal bias at times, but they do try be impartial. It only comes over occasionally in manner rather than in deliberate partiality.
Ian Murray labour's shadow Scotland Minister rebelled - sack him and no Scots based labour minister
I thought he had already resigned as shadow Scotland a while ago
You may be right but that is Sky reporting just now
Ian Murray, resigned last June as shadow Scottish Secretary.
To be fair it is difficult to keep up...
Rachael Maskell's departure is the 31st exit from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet since he became leader in September 2015 and triggers the fourth Shadow Cabinet reshuffle.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
I've seen people book an Uber and ask them to deliver a package to the destination for them.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
I've seen people book an Uber and ask them to deliver a package to the destination for them.
Ian Murray labour's shadow Scotland Minister rebelled - sack him and no Scots based labour minister
I thought he had already resigned as shadow Scotland a while ago
You may be right but that is Sky reporting just now
Ian Murray, resigned last June as shadow Scottish Secretary.
To be fair it is difficult to keep up...
Rachael Maskell's departure is the 31st exit from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet since he became leader in September 2015 and triggers the fourth Shadow Cabinet reshuffle.
Blockquote error on my part...I thought the "about 50" was talking about the number of people in Stoke who watch CH4 news...
Yeah, I had that thought too.
C4News peaks at around 800k viewers, the UK population is around 65 million, the Stoke Central electorate is about 65k, so if C4News viewers are evenly distributed around the country, about 800.
In reality, they aren't and it will be less than that.
Really, is that all. I know the Independant's in reality no more and they need their fix but the cost per viewer of C4 news must be remarkable.
Blockquote error on my part...I thought the "about 50" was talking about the number of people in Stoke who watch CH4 news...
Yeah, I had that thought too.
C4News peaks at around 800k viewers, the UK population is around 65 million, the Stoke Central electorate is about 65k, so if C4News viewers are evenly distributed around the country, about 800.
In reality, they aren't and it will be less than that.
Really, is that all. I know the Independant's in reality no more and they need their fix but the cost per viewer of C4 news must be remarkable.
Its stellar figures compared to the other lefty fest, Newsnight.
As I said earlier the main shift has been Fillon to Le Pen, Macron is only up 1% in this poll, there are still 3 months to go until polling and if Fillon can squeeze back a little of the Le Pen vote and get his voters out he could go through to the runoff
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
A lot of Welsh Labour MPs are probably at the "Fuck it, what the Hell" stage already. Between the party's dire polling position and the effects of boundary change, an election in 2020 would currently see nearly half of them gone - and that's assuming things don't get any worse.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
Is it 2000 again?
I currently telecommute 50% of the time, although I won't be for my new job I start in a couple of weeks.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
Stoke Central has been Labour since 1922 with one exception (in 1931), so people there have a history of being pretty left-wing.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
Stoke Central has been Labour since 1922 with one exception (in 1931), so people there have a history of being pretty left-wing.
Well thats how I remember the place from the brief time I lived in that part of the world many many moons ago, but all the people they found on the streets sounded like Hitler might get a fair hearing.
Ian Murray labour's shadow Scotland Minister rebelled - sack him and no Scots based labour minister
I thought he had already resigned as shadow Scotland a while ago
You may be right but that is Sky reporting just now
Ian Murray, resigned last June as shadow Scottish Secretary.
To be fair it is difficult to keep up...
Rachael Maskell's departure is the 31st exit from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet since he became leader in September 2015 and triggers the fourth Shadow Cabinet reshuffle. [snip]
Awesome swatting Mr Urquhart – that list should set to the ‘periodic table song’…!
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
Is it 2000 again?
I currently telecommute 50% of the time, although I won't be for my new job I start in a couple of weeks.
I had job where I theoretically worked at home 95 percent of the time....it gets tedious.
Ian Murray labour's shadow Scotland Minister rebelled - sack him and no Scots based labour minister
I thought he had already resigned as shadow Scotland a while ago
You may be right but that is Sky reporting just now
Ian Murray, resigned last June as shadow Scottish Secretary.
To be fair it is difficult to keep up...
Rachael Maskell's departure is the 31st exit from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet since he became leader in September 2015 and triggers the fourth Shadow Cabinet reshuffle.
Awesome swatting Mr Urquhart – that list should set to the ‘periodic table song’…!
Unfortunately I can't claim that list to be mine. It was on the BBC website.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
Tim Farron stating the obvious in regard to Labour.
Re a point made by Pong FPT in regard to PB having a blind spot for the religious right. I think actually think it's just that some PBers have sympathy/share the views of the religious right - I mean comparing abortion to infantacide?! There is also this weird tendency at times to defend any and all things connected to the Right. As leftie, I don't need to defend all things connected to the Left. I know that not everything about my side is great.
No, he's entitled to his opinion. Just as the bastards were. I've always felt that thematically, history moves in cycles and were currently at the furthest point from KCs views. Query whether we always will be.
Can someone explain something to me here, please? Labour are saying that the fight continues? How and against what?
Assuming Article 50 is triggered (a reasonable assumption now?), then in two years or so Mrs May returns with a deal which will be voted on. The alternative can only be a WTO deal, Is that correct? Where do Labour come in? They will have to vote for one or the two. May's Brexit or Hard Brexit.
How can they possibly vote for Hard Brexit? Or am I missing something?
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
He'd be ineligible to stand again, wouldnt he?
Yup. It'll be like Phil Woolas all over again according to Professor Chalmers.
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
He'd be ineligible to stand again, wouldnt he?
I'm not sure an address issue would be reason enough to exclude, would it?
No, he's entitled to his opinion. Just as the bastards were. I've always felt that thematically, history moves in cycles and were currently at the furthest point from KCs views. Query whether we always will be.
What I take issue with is his attitude, very Ted Heath. In that if you disagree with him you are deluded and/or irretrievably stupid. This from a man who cant dress himself.
IANAL, but I think the result of an election could be deemed invalid without the election being deemed to have been so invalid as to prevent a candidate from re-standing.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
I think the Goldman types here could be missing an opportunity.
Think of a small compact city state; high per capita GDP; an enlightened approach to traffic management; a political system sufficiently authoritarian to mandate a complete switchover to autonomous vehicles...
Negotiating a deal between Musk, Uber ?, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ? and Singapore to set up a joint venture to develop the world's first completely autonomous traffic system might be quite rewarding ?
So the Cliffs from Crick piece, Nuttall doesn't appear to have been living at the address he put down (when it filled in the forms), but is now. That can't stop him being on the ballot. However, in theory, if he wins, another party could complain and potentially the result nullified.
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
People don't like clever-dickery with election courts.
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
He'd be ineligible to stand again, wouldnt he?
I'm not sure an address issue would be reason enough to exclude, would it?
If it's deemed a corrupt practice - and it seems to be under s65A(1) of the Representation of the People Act 1983 - then anyone personally guilty of a corrupt practice is ineligible for election for five years (and if elected must vacate the seat) under s160(4) of that Act. "Personally guilty" means with the knowledge and consent of that person.
@timfarron: Labour's leadership tonight waved the white flag. They are not an opposition, they are cheerleaders. Future generations deserve better.
Tory Collaborators views don't really count.
Dim wont even rule out further collaboration with Theresa the Appeaser
Aren't we on the same side at the moment?
We're never on the same side as Labour. I look forwards to their demise with great pleasure. Unfortunately Jez has just saved them from certain doom by forcing the party to take up the cause of Brexit. The 47 traitors can be dealt with in due course.
@SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.
PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.
Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.
Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
We'll need passenger-less cars because we will all be telecommuting.
I'm fairly sure that MPs in the last stage of terminal illnesses have voted before. On important votes and when you want a say you make the effort.
I seem remember John Major being ill when the cabinet were being rallied to vote for Maggie shortly before she was deposed. Maybe she has been sitting at his knee.
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For Gareth Snell.
I cannot believe they picked a remainer. And one who is so chatty on social media too.
Rachael Maskell's departure is the 31st exit from Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet since he became leader in September 2015 and triggers the fourth Shadow Cabinet reshuffle.
January 2016:
1. Michael Dugher, Shadow Culture
2. Catherine McKinnell, Shadow Attorney General
June 2016
3. Hilary Benn, Shadow Foreign (or sacked)
4. Heidi Alexander, Shadow Health
5. Gloria de Piero, Shadow Youth
6. Vernon Coaker, Shadow Northern Ireland
7. Lucy Powell, Shadow Education
8. Seema Malthotra, Shadow Chief Sec
9. Ian Murray, Shadow Scotland
10. Lillian Greenwood, Shadow Transport
11. Kerry McCarthy, Shadow DEFRA
12. Charles Falconer, Shadow Justice
13. Karl Turner, Shadow Attorney Gen
14. Chris Bryant, Shadow Leader of the House
15. Lisa Nandy, Shadow DECC
16. Owen Smith, Shadow DWP
17. Angela Eagle, Shadow BIS
18. Maria Eagle, Shadow Culture
19. Nia Griffith, Shadow Wales*
20. Luciana Berger, Shadow Mental Health
21. Lord Basam*
22. Baroness Smith*
23. John Healey, Shadow Housing*
24. Pat Glass, Shadow Education
*Indicates they returned to the Shadow Cabinet
October 2016
25. Rosie Winterton, Shadow Chief Whip
26. Kelvin Hopkins, Shadow Culture
27. Paul Flynn, Shadow Leader of House & Wales
28. Grahame Morris, Shadow Local Govt
January 2017
29. Jo Stevens, Shadow Wales
February 2017
30. Dawn Butler, Shadow Diverse Communities
31. Rachael Maskell, Shadow DEFRA
114
Majority = 384
Charlie Falconer's resigned?
Frontbencher Kevin Brennan, Chris Bryant and Madeline Moon join four others already known to be rebelling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38826291
What a shock Mr Underpants is there.
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-eu-referendum-how-did-westminster-constituencies-vote-283c85cd20e1#.f5i4ae39i
The only problem from the Vox pops on the streets of Stoke, it didn't sound like the public would be react favourably to that. In fact, Nutall might not be right wing enough for their tastes, they sounded like they would prefer The Orange one to be standing.
@ProfChalmers: If a candidate who is elected is guilty of a corrupt practice, his election is void: s 159. legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/2/s…
Any amendments passed with the bill?
If he won and it was taken to court and over-turned, he'd be re-elected with a larger majority I expect. Not least because I'd expect some parties not to stand.
Incoming - chanting...
Ken Clarke stuck to his guns.
guffaw
@paulwaugh: I told @HackneyAbbott abstained. Trying to check.
https://order-order.com/2017/02/01/labour-stoke-candidate-brexiteers-confused-inward-looking-racists/
Dim wont even rule out further collaboration with Theresa the Appeaser
Re a point made by Pong FPT in regard to PB having a blind spot for the religious right. I think actually think it's just that some PBers have sympathy/share the views of the religious right - I mean comparing abortion to infantacide?! There is also this weird tendency at times to defend any and all things connected to the Right. As leftie, I don't need to defend all things connected to the Left. I know that not everything about my side is great.
Assuming Article 50 is triggered (a reasonable assumption now?), then in two years or so Mrs May returns with a deal which will be voted on. The alternative can only be a WTO deal, Is that correct? Where do Labour come in? They will have to vote for one or the two. May's Brexit or Hard Brexit.
How can they possibly vote for Hard Brexit? Or am I missing something?
This from a man who cant dress himself.
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/826884802276122624
I'd appreciate expert input on this.
Fair enough. Then your lot won't have to dither on calling that second referendum of yours, will you?
Well, come on then.
I think the Goldman types here could be missing an opportunity.
Think of a small compact city state; high per capita GDP; an enlightened approach to traffic management; a political system sufficiently authoritarian to mandate a complete switchover to autonomous vehicles...
Negotiating a deal between Musk, Uber ?, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries ? and Singapore to set up a joint venture to develop the world's first completely autonomous traffic system might be quite rewarding ?
Maybe she has been sitting at his knee.