You can see why the the remain vote won in Scotland with headlines like that,any leave the EU newspapers in Scotland.
The one million plus leave voters in Scotland represented by who in Scotland ?
The Tories, the Express, the Mail & the Telegraph.
And David Coburn.
Wrong on Tories,Davidson and her party were for remain,some strays.
Do keep up, TRuthy and her merry men are born again Brexit all the way.
Thanks,can't trust the woman on this after her passionate performances for remain in the tv debates,her heart can't be in it.
I think her heart's in it for the moment. Of course it could be in something else entirely at the drop of hat.
Are you disappointed with Nicola Sturgeon today?
From this distance Nicola Sturgeon set up her red line and Mrs May has breached it, and it seems like an almost tepid response from Sturgeon.
I'm assuming if Sturgeon was had private poling showing Yes to win/convinced she could win the a second IndyRef, we would have gotten a date.
(I do acknowledge that the First Minister is well aware a second referendum loss for the Nats really will kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead for a generation, so it might just be caution on her part.)
No, I want to win the next referendum.
Sturgeon wants to demonstrate to Remain/No voters that she'll go to the limit to get a compromise for a specific Scottish EU arrangement, while knowing it's not very likely. No point in waving starting pistols around and firing them off indiscriminately, and definitely not before Article 50 is triggered.
As far as polls goes, Unionism's record on improving its polling during a referendum campaign isn't great.
You can see why the the remain vote won in Scotland with headlines like that,any leave the EU newspapers in Scotland.
The one million plus leave voters in Scotland represented by who in Scotland ?
The Tories, the Express, the Mail & the Telegraph.
And David Coburn.
Wrong on Tories,Davidson and her party were for remain,some strays.
Do keep up, TRuthy and her merry men are born again Brexit all the way.
Thanks,can't trust the woman on this after her passionate performances for remain in the tv debates,her heart can't be in it.
I think her heart's in it for the moment. Of course it could be in something else entirely at the drop of hat.
Are you disappointed with Nicola Sturgeon today?
From this distance Nicola Sturgeon set up her red line and Mrs May has breached it, and it seems like an almost tepid response from Sturgeon.
I'm assuming if Sturgeon was had private poling showing Yes to win/convinced she could win the a second IndyRef, we would have gotten a date.
(I do acknowledge that the First Minister is well aware a second referendum loss for the Nats really will kill Scottish Nationalism stone dead for a generation, so it might just be caution on her part.)
No, I want to win the next referendum.
Sturgeon wants to demonstrate to Remain/No voters that she'll go to the limit to get a compromise for a specific Scottish EU arrangement, while knowing it's not very likely. No point in waving starting pistols around and firing them off indiscriminately, and definitely not before Article 50 is triggered.
As far as polls goes, Unionism's record on improving its polling during a referendum campaign isn't great.
I don't know if PB has an award for most vulgar and unpleasant posts but if so Tyson's revolting efforts tonight must be candidates. Quite how he thinks they advance his argument is beyond me. Too much grappa tonight?
I only come to PB for the titillation. Between hard Brexit, Tyson's rimming, and SeanT's deflowering of young Corbynistas - who needs YouPorn?
I told you before I think you have been one of the best new commentators to pbCOM for many a moon.....
I think this post proves my point.
Anyway good night all. And hoping North Wales Wife isn't too upset, and seanT can direct his attentions to girls nearer his own age......
She is very disgusted at seeing such comments and maybe some on this forum should consider being a bit more temperate
Listen mate...if I told my wife that you think May's speech today was one of the best ever...
You see my wife is forced to move from Italy to England, abandoning her parents who are ailing and who will be left alone...my wife is allowed to return to Italy for 90 days per 18 months (whereas now we live around the corner).... And we have to do this before March...
This is the reality of Brexit for some people....Not just some vulgar metaphor that you find offensive.....
So let's compare wives and see who is genuinely most affected....
Brexit is a REAL nightmare for us and the people that we love.....
What has this sad turn of affairs got to do with Brexit?
I genuinely don't understand why your wife is forced to move to the UK from Italy, if it's not to delicate an issue could you explain?
Notwithstanding the supposed early visit by Mrs May to Washington DC to meet the new President, "England" (NB not the UK) appears decent value at 16/1 in Paddy Power's "Trump's First Overseas Visit" market, compared with the other main contenders. Current prices are as follows:
Russia (Ha ha!) ...... 4/6 Canada ................. 5/1 Mexico ................. 5/1 China ................... 7/1 Israel .................... 8/1 England .............. 16/1 France ................ 22/1 Germany ............ 33/1 etc., etc.
It will surely be a country deemed especially friendly towards the U.S. and if not Canada (which should logically be the favourite at somewhere around evens and therefore offering good value also), then good old Blighty England should surely feature large. As ever, DYOR.
I've seen press briefing that Trump visiting the UK ( Inc the Queen at Windsor ) is booked for March. The fact May's Vogue cover is the April edition ( goes on sale in March ) suggests it's coordinated with the visit and A50 invocation that month. Though DYOR.
The other possible fly in the ointment is Trump's Scottish Ancestry and Golf Course in Scotland. Even if the UK was his first overseas visit he'd screw the PP bet if he landed in Scotland not England first. Though are any of the Scottish Airports big enough for Airforce One ?
The usual AirForceOne is a modified 747. Both Glasgows and Edinburgh can handle them: I don't know about Dundee or Aberdeen. However Trump has his own (smaller) aircraft and can use that if he wishes
Can he? Wouldn't the Secret Service prevent him from using his own aircraft for the duration of his Presidency?
Interesting question. On 9/11 Bush II took off on AirForceOne and at some point he wanted to fly to a specific location (I forget which: presumably DC/NY). The SS (ouch!) contradicted him to his face and they flew to a secure location instead. So they do have the authority to do so. However, I can't see them physically preventing Trump from boarding his own aircraft nor preventing him employing pilots nor paying for his own fuel. Trump is far more self-sufficient than recent Presidents
Yeah, but no, but yeah, because if you don't let me get tariff free access we are gonna give you beatings because I've actually already met Trump already anyway, actually, down at the Palace and Melania was well giving me evils!
Yeah, but no, but yeah, because if you don't let me get tariff free access we are gonna give you beatings because I've actually already met Trump already anyway, actually, down at the Palace and Melania was well giving me evils!
No single market? Am I bovvered? But, am I bovvered, though?
@Casino_Royale Well now you are just being pathetic and ad hominem. Of course I can read. I just don't agree with you. Russia " Might " be a neighbour of the EU ? It has an extensive land border with the EU. There is no possible definition of " neighbouring " that Russia doesn't meet. Yet the EU has substantial sanctions against Russia and Russia hasn't taken it to court under your article.
If you don't want discursive responses to your posts I'd suggest you don't put them on an internet discussion forum.
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
Here is their tweet
@weltkompakt: So lonely pic.twitter.com/iBs7zUbWzc
I've just had a look at the early betting for Best Picture at this year's Oscars, following some decidedly Emperor's Clothes-style comments concerning La La Land. I'm wondering whether to lay this at around 1.3 on the Betfair exchange, or alternatively to content myself with Marquee Mark's somewhat unfancied pick "Hidden Figures" on offer at odds of up to 100/1.
Notwithstanding the supposed early visit by Mrs May to Washington DC to meet the new President, "England" (NB not the UK) appears decent value at 16/1 in Paddy Power's "Trump's First Overseas Visit" market, compared with the other main contenders. Current prices are as follows:
Russia (Ha ha!) ...... 4/6 Canada ................. 5/1 Mexico ................. 5/1 China ................... 7/1 Israel .................... 8/1 England .............. 16/1 France ................ 22/1 Germany ............ 33/1 etc., etc.
It will surely be a country deemed especially friendly towards the U.S. and if not Canada (which should logically be the favourite at somewhere around evens and therefore offering good value also), then good old Blighty England should surely feature large. As ever, DYOR.
I've seen press briefing that Trump visiting the UK ( Inc the Queen at Windsor ) is booked for March. The fact May's Vogue cover is the April edition ( goes on sale in March ) suggests it's coordinated with the visit and A50 invocation that month. Though DYOR.
The other possible fly in the ointment is Trump's Scottish Ancestry and Golf Course in Scotland. Even if the UK was his first overseas visit he'd screw the PP bet if he landed in Scotland not England first. Though are any of the Scottish Airports big enough for Airforce One ?
The usual AirForceOne is a modified 747. Both Glasgows and Edinburgh can handle them: I don't know about Dundee or Aberdeen. However Trump has his own (smaller) aircraft and can use that if he wishes
Can he? Wouldn't the Secret Service prevent him from using his own aircraft for the duration of his Presidency?
Interesting question. On 9/11 Bush II took off on AirForceOne and at some point he wanted to fly to a specific location (I forget which: presumably DC/NY). The SS (ouch!) contradicted him to his face and they flew to a secure location instead. So they do have the authority to do so. However, I can't see them physically preventing Trump from boarding his own aircraft nor preventing him employing pilots nor paying for his own fuel. Trump is far more self-sufficient than recent Presidents
One of the TV progs on 9/11 had a SS guy saying that they were mandated under federal law to protect the president, the individual at the time may not like it, but......
Just over half (51%) now trust Mrs May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU, up five points since October, while the proportion who do not trust her is down three points to 36%.
Just over half (51%) now trust Mrs May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU, up five points since October, while the proportion who do not trust her is down three points to 36%.
It's interesting that no-one is citing Article 8 of TFEU:
"1. The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.
2. For the purposes of paragraph 1, the Union may conclude specific agreements with the countries concerned. These agreements may contain reciprocal rights and obligations as well as the possibility of undertaking activities jointly. Their implementation shall be the subject of periodic consultation."
If my reading of this is correct, not offering the UK a special relationship would be illegal, yet alone "punishing" us.
And a plaintiff could bring a case or appeal to the ECJ on this basis if it happens.
I think they would judge it as an aspiration rather than an obligation.
That would be for the lawyers to argue and for the judges to rule upon.
By that measure, it would be impossible for them to impose sanctions on Russia if they - for example - invaded Ukraine.
No, I don't think so.
On a prima facie reading, there is clearly an obligation ("shall") to have a special relationship, but it could, based on the language, be specially bad, rather than good, or even specially meh.
The is an aspiration ("may") or an option to conclude specific agreements.
The man has been at it all day and getting angrier ;-)
You seem confused.
I have been advocating Hard as Fuck Brexit for weeks. It's the only way to kill the parasite.
Tezza has exceeded my expectations. (Applaud, sic)
Of course, I don't work in automotive manufacturing so I won't be directly affected by the catastrophe there.
My employer is a very large US firm, so unless Trump screws them over I should be alright, Jack. I could move to Belgium, or Ireland, Germany or Spain (actually my job would get easier) so I am covered against the worst effects of Brexit.
So the EU will make sure that German exports to the UK will have punitive tariffs, the EU will make Germany pay extra to make up the loss of the UK contribution, the EU will remove the German rebate, the EU will make Germany join a full fiscal union with Greece and Italy, the EU will discrimate against UK citizens living in the EU - so Germany will get back all the asylum seekers they have been moving to the UK. It is going to be great for Germany.
Just over half (51%) now trust Mrs May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU, up five points since October, while the proportion who do not trust her is down three points to 36%.
Matthew Goodwin (to much derision from hand wringing Remainers) did predict yesterday that May's stance would be popular.....
With the headbangers.
With the British public:
Just over half (51%) now trust Mrs May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU, up five points since October, while the proportion who do not trust her is down three points to 36%.
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
Those forecasts were based on assumptions of population growth that (thanks to Brexit and to Germany importing squillions of furrriners) are now wildly out of date
Looking back to recent events, one perhaps now has a better idea of why Ivan Rogers resigned. One might also take the view that the wrong person resigned. Whether the men in grey suits come calling, to invite Mrs May to book a trip to the Palace, remains to be seen. But every day now that she remains in No 10 will add to the growing sense of disaster.
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
Those forecasts were based on assumptions of population growth that (thanks to Brexit and to Germany importing squillions of furrriners) are now wildly out of date
Though Opinium also had Scots putting control of free movement ahead of single market membership by 37% to 36%, we shall see what other polls bring. Goodnight
Looking back to recent events, one perhaps now has a better idea of why Ivan Rogers resigned. One might also take the view that the wrong person resigned. Whether the men in grey suits come calling, to invite Mrs May to book a trip to the Palace, remains to be seen. But every day now that she remains in No 10 will add to the growing sense of disaster.
Absurdly defeatest article, the gist of which is that Britain can never meaningfully leave because it's just too difficult. He will be surprised. Brexit will happen because Brexit must happen. The measure of his delusion can be seen from the quote above. The men in grey suits will be delighted with May's speech; they would come calling, however, if she followed the eureferendum.com advice.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
Those forecasts were based on assumptions of population growth that (thanks to Brexit and to Germany importing squillions of furrriners) are now wildly out of date
It is birthrate which is the key factor
Yes it is. Immigrants breed more (they're younger).
Sad day. Britain became a little smaller, a little more backward looking.and a little less broad minded.
Where does it say that in May's speech?
Whether or not you agree with what Jonathan says, that's a silly response. All political speeches are to be taken with a dollop of salt.
In this case I think May has done pretty well, politically speaking. She's examined the situation, seen that Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, and is making a virtue out of playing it straight, even though it has to be said that she has little choice in the matter: the rules are the rules, and all the talk of deals is largely pie in the sky. Having said that, as Brexit progresses it will become clear that the UK's relationship with the EU will in fact stay close. Brexit is a huge change and even pro-Brexit people aren't as prepared as they imagine for some of the shocks to the system that will transpire - co-operation (especially with Ireland, Spain and France) will become a key word as the majority of us try to lessen those shocks.
Meanwhile she has bought the Tory party time. A speech like this keeps the slavering Ukip hounds in their kennels. Free movement has contributed to the rise in xenophobia that we've seen, and it is and was a policy that the UK was unsuited to, at least in the way that it was implemented. Let's hope that now the UK really does become more internationalist again.
Looking back to recent events, one perhaps now has a better idea of why Ivan Rogers resigned. One might also take the view that the wrong person resigned. Whether the men in grey suits come calling, to invite Mrs May to book a trip to the Palace, remains to be seen. But every day now that she remains in No 10 will add to the growing sense of disaster.
Absurdly defeatest article, the gist of which is that Britain can never meaningfully leave because it's just too difficult. He will be surprised. Brexit will happen because Brexit must happen. The measure of his delusion can be seen from the quote above. The men in grey suits will be delighted with May's speech; they would come calling, however, if she followed the eureferendum.com advice.
Once you get past the hyperbole, the article makes the good point that we will be leaving the EU in 2019 but we might not have a comprehensive trade deal till 2023. This is realism rather than defeatism, and UK business will have to gird its loins.
The French employers' federation Medef has reversed its previous opposition to the National Front, and for the first time ever it has invited the NF's leader to come and address it, along with the leaders of the other political parties:
Sad day. Britain became a little smaller, a little more backward looking.and a little less broad minded.
And looks towards 180 countries instead of 26.
Is that seriously supposed to be an argument for Brexit? Should Ohio pull out of the US? Do you want a union of 181? The EU trades with all the world's other countries.
(Note that the EU has had 28 members since Croatia joined in 2013.)
To sum up, though this was in many ways the most extraordinary contest we can remember, the lesson it has for the rest of us is the same as always: that the voters are worth listening to, and they, not the politicians, will decide what an election is about. One way or another they will make themselves heard, and when they do, the result might surprise you.
First, it’s politically smart. Mrs May has earned a lot of capital today from Ukip, the Tory right and the Daily Mail. Like it or not those audiences matter to her. The optimistic ‘Global Britain’ tone will likely prove popular with the public, too, with those continuing to fight the ‘Remain’ side risking sounding like unpatriotic moaning minnies.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
Those forecasts were based on assumptions of population growth that (thanks to Brexit and to Germany importing squillions of furrriners) are now wildly out of date
It is birthrate which is the key factor
Yes it is. Immigrants breed more (they're younger).
Given Germany has the same present rate of immigration as the UK, the UK still has a higher birthrate so not entirely
It won't even be Little Britain (which incidentally actually refers to Brittany, to distinguish it from GB). It will be Little England (& Wales), a tiny impoverished rump of a state across the sea from a prosperous United States of Europe.
On some forecasts the UK will be the biggest economy in Europe by 2050
I think that was on the assumption that we were in the EU, the EU was bigger than currently and that the population growth due to immigration accelerated. On that last point, if you want to be a bigger economy than Germany you have to either match its population or beat its productivity.
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Sturgeon wants to demonstrate to Remain/No voters that she'll go to the limit to get a compromise for a specific Scottish EU arrangement, while knowing it's not very likely. No point in waving starting pistols around and firing them off indiscriminately, and definitely not before Article 50 is triggered.
As far as polls goes, Unionism's record on improving its polling during a referendum campaign isn't great.
https://twitter.com/felicitymorse/status/821492630513192960
not only are these dream headlines for Tezza, they may be the best headlines she ever gets as the rhetoric starts to unravel.
If you don't want discursive responses to your posts I'd suggest you don't put them on an internet discussion forum.
@weltkompakt: So lonely pic.twitter.com/iBs7zUbWzc
I've just had a look at the early betting for Best Picture at this year's Oscars, following some decidedly Emperor's Clothes-style comments concerning La La Land. I'm wondering whether to lay this at around 1.3 on the Betfair exchange, or alternatively to content myself with Marquee Mark's somewhat unfancied pick "Hidden Figures" on offer at odds of up to 100/1.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-poll-britons-back-exit-from-the-eu-single-market-10732707
Who knew?
The is an aspiration ("may") or an option to conclude specific agreements.
I have been advocating Hard as Fuck Brexit for weeks. It's the only way to kill the parasite.
Tezza has exceeded my expectations. (Applaud, sic)
Of course, I don't work in automotive manufacturing so I won't be directly affected by the catastrophe there.
My employer is a very large US firm, so unless Trump screws them over I should be alright, Jack. I could move to Belgium, or Ireland, Germany or Spain (actually my job would get easier) so I am covered against the worst effects of Brexit.
It's a tragedy, but not for me.
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/821503591534002176
Tezza has signalled hostile Brexit to the EU. Brexiteers will now be amazed and alarmed when that is what we get...
Just over half (51%) now trust Mrs May to get the best possible deal in negotiations with the EU, up five points since October, while the proportion who do not trust her is down three points to 36%.
http://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-poll-britons-back-exit-from-the-eu-single-market-10732707
Oh...
* The EU can impose tariffs on imports into the EU from the UK
* The UK can impose tariffs on imports into the UK from the EU
But the EU cannot impose tariffs on imports into the UK from the EU. Those would be known as sanctions
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/821511628130762752
Hamon is currently 100/1 with SkyBet. Montebourg is 66/1. I doubt either price will last long.
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86348
Looking back to recent events, one perhaps now has a better idea of why Ivan Rogers resigned. One might also take the view that the wrong person resigned. Whether the men in grey suits come calling, to invite Mrs May to book a trip to the Palace, remains to be seen. But every day now that she remains in No 10 will add to the growing sense of disaster.
SCOTTISH SUB-SAMPLE?!
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/15/asia/kyrgyzstan-plane-crash/
In the latter case it would be the UK government doing it.
In this case I think May has done pretty well, politically speaking. She's examined the situation, seen that Brexit does indeed mean Brexit, and is making a virtue out of playing it straight, even though it has to be said that she has little choice in the matter: the rules are the rules, and all the talk of deals is largely pie in the sky. Having said that, as Brexit progresses it will become clear that the UK's relationship with the EU will in fact stay close. Brexit is a huge change and even pro-Brexit people aren't as prepared as they imagine for some of the shocks to the system that will transpire - co-operation (especially with Ireland, Spain and France) will become a key word as the majority of us try to lessen those shocks.
Meanwhile she has bought the Tory party time. A speech like this keeps the slavering Ukip hounds in their kennels. Free movement has contributed to the rise in xenophobia that we've seen, and it is and was a policy that the UK was unsuited to, at least in the way that it was implemented. Let's hope that now the UK really does become more internationalist again.
Le Medef ouvre ses portes à Marine Le Pen ("Medef opens its doors to Marine Le Pen") (Le Figaro).
Even as recently as December 2015, Medef's leadership was expressing concern that the NF might win some of the regional elections.
(Note that the EU has had 28 members since Croatia joined in 2013.)
Surely they will be waiting when we come out? That, or a strike on French railways.
To sum up, though this was in many ways the most extraordinary contest we can remember, the lesson it has for the rest of us is the same as always: that the voters are worth listening to, and they, not the politicians, will decide what an election is about. One way or another they will make themselves heard, and when they do, the result might surprise you.
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/01/15009/
http://stephentall.org/2017/01/17/theresa-mays-hard-brexit-politically-and-tactically-smart/?wt=3
First, it’s politically smart. Mrs May has earned a lot of capital today from Ukip, the Tory right and the Daily Mail. Like it or not those audiences matter to her. The optimistic ‘Global Britain’ tone will likely prove popular with the public, too, with those continuing to fight the ‘Remain’ side risking sounding like unpatriotic moaning minnies.