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Theresa May promises a Parliamentary vote on @Brexit, but what does that mean? We explain https://t.co/SvqS1P6UEa pic.twitter.com/uVzopLB3Yb

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    Not first again surely?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,969
    A poor second.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412
    Repostwd but I think Starmer reaction is really strange...

    Has Keir hurt his chances of replacing Corbyn?

    Having said two days ago the PM should rule out hard brexit and commit to single market... He now says she has!?

    Feels like he just hasn't been paying attention? Surely other labour MPs won't be keen on this?
    He's supposed to be trying to look competent...

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/15/brexit-theresa-may-speech-single-market-labour-keir-starmer
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelLCrick: Officially Stoke Ukip members will pick candidate on Fri night. In effect, decision tonight when Ukip bigwigs will give go-ahead to Nuttall
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Assume the positive tweets regarding the speech are being updated to the header as we speak.......

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    interest rate rise panic
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    It's safe to go back to your Theresa 'superhero' May avatar. :)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    FPT:
    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    edited January 2017
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    It's safe to go back to your Theresa 'superhero' May avatar. :)
    I think I prefer the one @Morris_Dancer found with her flanked by imperial guards from Star Wars :D
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    DavidL said:

    Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.

    @sunny_hundal: Seriously. I still can't believe Corbyn's reponse to May's Brexit speech today was some academic waffle about needing more detail. Fucked
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited January 2017
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    interest rate rise panic
    All the way up from 0.25%.

    Looks like we might finally see a return to some normality.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2017
    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.


    We may disagree but it is very quotable.

    Normally hard for Lib Dems to get any media coverage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Poor Mike has to resort to filling the thread header with negative Tweets :lol:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    In other news: Vladimir Putin: 'our prostitutes are the best in the world, but I doubt Donald Trump would fall for them' ... :o

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/17/russia-calls-british-author-donald-trump-dossier-runaway-swindler/

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
  • JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    Farron has a position to stick to for the lib dems to have any chance of surviving in future general elections, so I understand why he spouts the bs he does to appease Remainers. As desperately irritating and as transparent as he is, it is at least a marked position - unlike Labour's. Who can say with any conviction what Labour's position is? To remain members of the single market is to remain a member of the EU, yet all the front bench hacks keeps saying they will not block A50 or vote against the government proposals.

    Never has a front bench of any party looked so woefully inadequate as Labour's does right now.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
    I could be wrong, but I suspect there are shy Labour voters in Stoke, simply because Tristram was... errr... not a natural fit for the constituency.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    Good point. Although just imagine you are Jeremy Corbyn, sitting in the House, having to respond to the speech you are hearing in front of you in an informed and coherent manner in the most intense scrutiny, knowing your party is totally split. At least he escaped that.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    TGOHF said:

    Assume the positive tweets regarding the speech are being updated to the header as we speak.......

    Don't hold your breath.....

    Heck.....even the FT was vaguely positive:

    http://blogs.ft.com/david-allen-green/2017/01/17/theresa-mays-speech-means-the-brexit-phony-war-may-be-ending/
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    "Pound soars as Theresa May soothes European single market fears
    Pound on course for biggest rise in eight years after PM says she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."
    Citywire Money
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Matthew Goodwin: Some folks need reality check. If appeals to economic self-interest worked we would have voted to Remain. PM May will be v popular. Watch.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Both Labour & the SNP chewing wasps:

    7. Protect workers’ rights

    And a fairer Britain is a country that protects and enhances the rights people have at work.

    That is why, as we translate the body of European law into our domestic regulations, we will ensure that workers rights are fully protected and maintained.

    Indeed, under my leadership, not only will the Government protect the rights of workers’ set out in European legislation, we will build on them. Because under this Conservative Government, we will make sure legal protection for workers keeps pace with the changing labour market – and that the voices of workers are heard by the boards of publicly-listed companies for the first time.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    SandyRentool said:

    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.

    About time if it does!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    CarlottaVance said:

    Matthew Goodwin: Some folks need reality check. If appeals to economic self-interest worked we would have voted to Remain. PM May will be v popular. Watch.

    True, except her speech was all about appealing to the economic self interest of the rest of the EU

    By his own logic she will be very unpopular with them
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    edited January 2017
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    It's safe to go back to your Theresa 'superhero' May avatar. :)
    I think I prefer the one @Morris_Dancer found with her flanked by imperial guards from Star Wars :D
    "It is a period of civil war. LEAVE spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil EUROPEAN UNION.

    During the battle, LEAVE spies managed to steal secret plans to the EU's ultimate weapon, the TECHNOCRAT, an armoured space station with enough power to destroy an entire member state's economy!

    Pursued by the sinister pro-EU REMAINERs, Princess Theresa races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save these islands and restore FREEDOM to the Continent...."

    https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/#!/AKahOlAk7L6C254apaII

    NB. plays best in Chrome!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanDunt: Security cooperation is a core component of UK Brexit strategy, but think what that entails: Give us what we want or we stop helping.

    @IanDunt: As in the EU citizens case, it's worth imagining what happens if they call our bluff. We get intelligence of an impending attack And what?

    @IanDunt: We do nothing and tell no-one? Morally unthinkable. But then the government keeps asking us to consider the morally unthinkable.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
    I could be wrong, but I suspect there are shy Labour voters in Stoke, simply because Tristram was... errr... not a natural fit for the constituency.
    That's a possibility, as is the chance that a fair few Tories might have voted for Hunt. Still Labour's to lose though, assuming they don't parachute in Polly from Islington.

    My uncle lives in Stoke, I'll try and tap him up for his view on the by-election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    Scott_P said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Matthew Goodwin: Some folks need reality check. If appeals to economic self-interest worked we would have voted to Remain. PM May will be v popular. Watch.

    True, except her speech was all about appealing to the economic self interest of the rest of the EU

    By his own logic she will be very unpopular with them
    Of course. You're hardly going to be the most popular person in the room if you are negotiating to leave.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RobD said:

    Of course. You're hardly going to be the most popular person in the room if you are negotiating to leave.

    ...and again following his logic they will tell us to fuck off, as we did to them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I see Sterling had a good day.. *innocent face*

    It's safe to go back to your Theresa 'superhero' May avatar. :)
    I think I prefer the one @Morris_Dancer found with her flanked by imperial guards from Star Wars :D
    "It is a period of civil war. LEAVE spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil EUROPEAN UNION.

    During the battle, LEAVE spies managed to steal secret plans to the EU's ultimate weapon, the TECHNOCRAT, an armoured space station with enough power to destroy an entire member state's economy!

    Pursued by the sinister pro-EU REMAINERs, Princess Theresa races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save these islands and restore FREEDOM to the Continent...."

    https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/#!/AKahOlAk7L6C254apaII

    NB. plays best in Chrome!
    Episode A50... titters.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Scott_P said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Matthew Goodwin: Some folks need reality check. If appeals to economic self-interest worked we would have voted to Remain. PM May will be v popular. Watch.

    True, except her speech was all about appealing to the economic self interest of the rest of the EU
    One part of it was about the consequences of a 'Punishment Brexit' - the vast majority of her speech was what Britain would be doing.....
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Tim (F) has an enviable position compared with Nicola -

    Her options are to call a referendum to leave a big single market to retain a small one whilst ditching the pound for the Euro or scuttle away to the shadows grumbling.

    The written statement rather than the tour of the news studios suggests she's already picked the latter.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    What happened to Labour's reaction? Have they all become Trappists?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,719
    logical_song said:

    "Pound soars as Theresa May soothes European single market fears
    Pound on course for biggest rise in eight years after PM says she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."
    Citywire Money

    LOL, up 2% after dropping 20% , what turkeys.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    Scott_P said:

    @IanDunt: Security cooperation is a core component of UK Brexit strategy, but think what that entails: Give us what we want or we stop helping.

    @IanDunt: As in the EU citizens case, it's worth imagining what happens if they call our bluff. We get intelligence of an impending attack And what?

    @IanDunt: We do nothing and tell no-one? Morally unthinkable. But then the government keeps asking us to consider the morally unthinkable.

    Probably more to intelligence sharing than warning of impending attacks. And on the EU citizens case, wasn't it May who was pushing for a quick deal but was rebuffed by the EU?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    malcolmg said:

    logical_song said:

    "Pound soars as Theresa May soothes European single market fears
    Pound on course for biggest rise in eight years after PM says she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."
    Citywire Money

    LOL, up 2% after dropping 20% , what turkeys.
    Agreed. It was this bit that surprised me:
    "she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    logical_song said:

    Agreed. It was this bit that surprised me:
    "she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."

    She is following the AA Gill playbook word for word...

    That’s the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: “ ’Ello luv, you’re looking nice today. Would you like some?”

    When the rest of us ask how that’s really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that “they’re going to still really fancy us, honest, they’re gagging for us. Possibly not Merkel, but the bosses of Mercedes and those French vintners and cheesemakers, they can’t get enough of old John Bull. Of course they’re going to want to go on making the free market with two backs after we’ve got the decree nisi. Makes sense, doesn’t it?”
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    TGOHF said:

    The written statement rather than the tour of the news studios suggests she's already picked the latter.

    Don't agree. Nicola needs to bide her time until the Supreme Court pronounces and the constitutional A50 process is under way.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip spokesman says it's rubbish that Nuttall will be picked as candidate for Stoke Central by-election tonight. Nominations close tomorrow.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    I could never vote Lib Dem again with him in charge, he's a spanner.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    malcolmg said:

    logical_song said:

    "Pound soars as Theresa May soothes European single market fears
    Pound on course for biggest rise in eight years after PM says she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."
    Citywire Money

    LOL, up 2% after dropping 20% , what turkeys.
    Surely Nicola Sturgeon will now be preparing for Independence referendum ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    Scott_P said:

    @IanDunt: Security cooperation is a core component of UK Brexit strategy, but think what that entails: Give us what we want or we stop helping.

    @IanDunt: As in the EU citizens case, it's worth imagining what happens if they call our bluff. We get intelligence of an impending attack And what?

    @IanDunt: We do nothing and tell no-one? Morally unthinkable. But then the government keeps asking us to consider the morally unthinkable.

    That really is simplistic nonsense. There is every difference in the world between passing on hard information of an imminent attack (which we would of course do) and having detailed day to day co-operation which passes on a great deal of material not obviously of use on its own but which allows other countries to join the dots when added to what they already have. No one else in the EU has made anything like the investment we have in GCHQ and no one else has the US material that we have to add to it. If the EU thinks it can do without it or continues to angst about whether it is compatible with the ECHR as adopted into the EU treaties that is a matter for them but I suspect those who are at risk may have a view that differs from some of the legalists.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Perhaps Jezza will ask his good friend Paul to stand in Stoke, to show the voters the way.

    https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/821405655080824832
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    Can't image why Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower wasn't included in the twitterfest:

    https://order-order.com/2017/01/17/david-blanchflower-does-it-again/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,265
    How are the Remoaners today? Wanna be sedated? Or accusing the Leavers of a dancing a Blitzkrieg Bop?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
    I could be wrong, but I suspect there are shy Labour voters in Stoke, simply because Tristram was... errr... not a natural fit for the constituency.
    I agree. That is why my money is on Labour winning Stoke.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    DavidL said:

    There is every difference in the world between passing on hard information of an imminent attack (which we would of course do)

    We've done that even with Russia.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,265
    TGOHF said:

    Tim (F) has an enviable position compared with Nicola -

    Her options are to call a referendum to leave a big single market to retain a small one whilst ditching the pound for the Euro or scuttle away to the shadows grumbling.

    The written statement rather than the tour of the news studios suggests she's already picked the latter.

    His unenviable position is being an utter cock.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MarqueeMark said:

    How are the Remoaners today? Wanna be sedated? Or accusing the Leavers of a dancing a Blitzkrieg Bop?

    This guy seems happy enough

    https://twitter.com/edwardineurope/status/821128582504337408
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    Scott_P said:

    logical_song said:

    Agreed. It was this bit that surprised me:
    "she will seek to preserve some single market arrangements."

    She is following the AA Gill playbook word for word...

    That’s the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: “ ’Ello luv, you’re looking nice today. Would you like some?”

    When the rest of us ask how that’s really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that “they’re going to still really fancy us, honest, they’re gagging for us. Possibly not Merkel, but the bosses of Mercedes and those French vintners and cheesemakers, they can’t get enough of old John Bull. Of course they’re going to want to go on making the free market with two backs after we’ve got the decree nisi. Makes sense, doesn’t it?”
    Got a copy of his autobiography Pour me a Life recently. Really looking forward to it. His column was one of my favourite bits of the ST. Not because I would ever be going to any of the restaurants he reviewed but because of the vivid brilliance of his language. There was always at least a couple of sentences which just made you think, wow, to be able to write like that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/821408279842668544
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Scott_P said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Matthew Goodwin: Some folks need reality check. If appeals to economic self-interest worked we would have voted to Remain. PM May will be v popular. Watch.

    True, except her speech was all about appealing to the economic self interest of the rest of the EU

    By his own logic she will be very unpopular with them
    Can they vote for her? No.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Oh dear, I can see another protest march...

    @holyroodmandy: Not sure @huwbbc should be passing comment that @NicolaSturgeon was being "less than constructive" re:@theresa_may Brexit speech
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/821408279842668544

    2014:
    UNIONISTS 55%
    BRAVEHEARTS 45%

    :innocent:
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,548
    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip spokesman says it's rubbish that Nuttall will be picked as candidate for Stoke Central by-election tonight. Nominations close tomorrow.

    Fake news?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to Labour's reaction? Have they all become Trappists?

    Problem for Corbyn he agrees with it all but his party don't.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/821408016163487744
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,265
    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear, I can see another protest march...

    @holyroodmandy: Not sure @huwbbc should be passing comment that @NicolaSturgeon was being "less than constructive" re:@theresa_may Brexit speech

    They'll rue the day....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    How are the Remoaners today? Wanna be sedated? Or accusing the Leavers of a dancing a Blitzkrieg Bop?

    This guy seems happy enough

    https://twitter.com/edwardineurope/status/821128582504337408
    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    Danny "5 million unemployed" has been at it again! :D
    https://twitter.com/D_Blanchflower/status/821137297420775433
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    CarlottaVance said:

    Can't image why Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower wasn't included in the twitterfest:

    https://order-order.com/2017/01/17/david-blanchflower-does-it-again/

    Danny Blanchflower must be up for the Lady Bracknell award for poor prediction, these outbursts by him are beginning to look like carelessness...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,257
    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
    What possible reason is there to vote UKIP after today's speech?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,548
    Paul Mason ‏@paulmasonnews 2m2 minutes ago
    (10/10) Brits: get ready to Rise Like Lions - if May loses on the final Brexit terms in the Commons she must go. End of.

    She will. Go to the country that is and win a 200 seat majority against a Labour party led by Corbyn, Abbott, Seamus and Mason.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Indyref2 "undoubtedly closer", as is the heat death of the Universe.

    Which will happen first?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    edited January 2017
    RobD said:

    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.

    They changed their tune as soon as the campaign started and they realised that the argument wouldn't stand up to the charge of being worse than membership because we would have no/little say. In the preceding period it was a very common refrain that being in the single market didn't require any of the political apparatus, just look at Norway, etc.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,563
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    How are the Remoaners today? Wanna be sedated? Or accusing the Leavers of a dancing a Blitzkrieg Bop?

    This guy seems happy enough

    tps://twitter.com/edwardineurope/status/821128582504337408
    Mr Hannan is indeed a happy man this evening
    https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/821399550900523008
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    How are the Remoaners today? Wanna be sedated? Or accusing the Leavers of a dancing a Blitzkrieg Bop?

    This guy seems happy enough

    https://twitter.com/edwardineurope/status/821128582504337408
    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.
    One of the key tactical victories Craig Oliver claimed was to force Gove to admit that the UK would exit the SM. Osborne monstered him. This was on the 8th May.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: BBC: "Nicola Sturgeon says an #indyref2 is "undoubtedly" closer". Sturgeon isn't fooling anyone. She's bottling it. May's called her bluff.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.

    They changed their tune as soon as the campaign started and they realised that the argument wouldn't stand up to the charge of being worse than membership because we would have no/little say. In the preceding period it was a very common refrain being in the single market didn't require any of the political apparatus, just look at Norway, etc.
    Ah, but during the campaign (when most were paying attention) it was quite clear that a vote to leave would mean leaving the single market?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    SimonStClare said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Can't image why Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower wasn't included in the twitterfest:

    https://order-order.com/2017/01/17/david-blanchflower-does-it-again/

    Danny Blanchflower must be up for the Lady Bracknell award for poor prediction, these outbursts by him are beginning to look like carelessness...
    Was that Blanchflower-v-Blanchflower case linked to a day or so again which said that the woman could not commit adultery in a gay relationship him? I thought with the reference to Dartmouth it must be.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,548
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: BBC: "Nicola Sturgeon says an #indyref2 is "undoubtedly" closer". Sturgeon isn't fooling anyone. She's bottling it. May's called her bluff.

    Doesn't it depend how the Scottish people react to Brexit over the next few months/years? If it becomes clear that the settled will has changed and there is a majority for Sindy, then there'll be another go.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: BBC: "Nicola Sturgeon says an #indyref2 is "undoubtedly" closer". Sturgeon isn't fooling anyone. She's bottling it. May's called her bluff.

    I think we should give Scotland Indyref 2 AND have a GE in May.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    @NicolaSturgeon: Scottish Parliament has just voted - by a clear majority - for Scotland's place in the single market to be protected.

    Is that the 'single market' that accounts for 15% of Scotland's trade, or the one that accounts for 64%?

    Just asking......
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,886
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.

    They changed their tune as soon as the campaign started and they realised that the argument wouldn't stand up to the charge of being worse than membership because we would have no/little say. In the preceding period it was a very common refrain being in the single market didn't require any of the political apparatus, just look at Norway, etc.
    Ah, but during the campaign (when most were paying attention) it was quite clear that a vote to leave would mean leaving the single market?
    I think Dominic Cummings is right to say that most people, whether listening or making the arguments, don't really understand what it means so it's probably academic, but I think it's fair to say that the message had seeped into the general consciousness that the 'good' bits of the EU were easily separable from the 'bad' bits.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    There is every difference in the world between passing on hard information of an imminent attack (which we would of course do)

    We've done that even with Russia.
    But Stalin refused to believe it - how many millions died because of his self-held opinion?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    DavidL said:

    SimonStClare said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Can't image why Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower wasn't included in the twitterfest:

    https://order-order.com/2017/01/17/david-blanchflower-does-it-again/

    Danny Blanchflower must be up for the Lady Bracknell award for poor prediction, these outbursts by him are beginning to look like carelessness...
    Was that Blanchflower-v-Blanchflower case linked to a day or so again which said that the woman could not commit adultery in a gay relationship him? I thought with the reference to Dartmouth it must be.
    Yep....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchflower_v._Blanchflower
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,548
    nunu said:

    dr_spyn said:

    What happened to Labour's reaction? Have they all become Trappists?

    Problem for Corbyn he agrees with it all but his party don't.
    No he doesn't. He doesn't agree with ending free movement. He wants it expanded to allow anyone from anywhere in the world to be able to move here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    I thought there was a whole montage of videos showing leave campaigners saying that it would mean leaving the single market.

    They changed their tune as soon as the campaign started and they realised that the argument wouldn't stand up to the charge of being worse than membership because we would have no/little say. In the preceding period it was a very common refrain being in the single market didn't require any of the political apparatus, just look at Norway, etc.
    Ah, but during the campaign (when most were paying attention) it was quite clear that a vote to leave would mean leaving the single market?
    I think Dominic Cummings is right to say that most people, whether listening or making the arguments, don't really understand what it means so it's probably academic, but I think it's fair to say that the message had seeped into the general consciousness that the 'good' bits of the EU were easily separable from the 'bad' bits.
    I'll take that as a yes :D
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    CarlottaVance said:

    @NicolaSturgeon: Scottish Parliament has just voted - by a clear majority - for Scotland's place in the single market to be protected.

    Is that the 'single market' that accounts for 15% of Scotland's trade, or the one that accounts for 64%?

    Just asking......

    Really, this argument makes the infamous and dishonest White Paper's views on oil revenues look really, really solid. It is nothing short of a joke.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    edited January 2017
    Casino_Royale said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT:

    Scott_P said:

    @MichaelLCrick: Ukip source says they're picking candidate for Stoke Central tonight. Leader Paul Nuttall IS in the running, I'm told

    UKIP 3.35 on Betfair, will surely come in if they pick Nuttall?
    Tories 12.5 looks value too, or does someone know they're not even going to try?
    What possible reason is there to vote UKIP after today's speech?
    You can kill off the Labour Party
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    .

    .
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    Things could go wrong. Only an idiot would claim otherwise.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412
    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: BBC: "Nicola Sturgeon says an #indyref2 is "undoubtedly" closer". Sturgeon isn't fooling anyone. She's bottling it. May's called her bluff.

    Doesn't it depend how the Scottish people react to Brexit over the next few months/years? If it becomes clear that the settled will has changed and there is a majority for Sindy, then there'll be another go.
    Exactly. Plus she can pretend that she is giving May a fair chance to protect Scottish interests in the negotiations. And if brexit turns out badly... It will be easy to blame it all in Westminster.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    You don't mean "darkies" will be picking fruit in Lincolnshire, surely ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    rkrkrk said:

    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: BBC: "Nicola Sturgeon says an #indyref2 is "undoubtedly" closer". Sturgeon isn't fooling anyone. She's bottling it. May's called her bluff.

    Doesn't it depend how the Scottish people react to Brexit over the next few months/years? If it becomes clear that the settled will has changed and there is a majority for Sindy, then there'll be another go.
    Exactly. Plus she can pretend that she is giving May a fair chance to protect Scottish interests in the negotiations. And if brexit turns out badly... It will be easy to blame it all in Westminster.
    That's a much more likely line than getting her knickers in a twist about membership of the European Single Market. And Nicola is a smart political operator. It makes perfect sense for her to play the waiting game.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,148
    edited January 2017
    surbiton said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    You don't mean "darkies" will be picking fruit in Lincolnshire, surely ?
    Under current arrangements, no, since such positions are filled by EU migrants. If there is a work permit scheme after Brexit with an agricultural component, then maybe.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,412
    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @IanDunt: Security cooperation is a core component of UK Brexit strategy, but think what that entails: Give us what we want or we stop helping.

    @IanDunt: As in the EU citizens case, it's worth imagining what happens if they call our bluff. We get intelligence of an impending attack And what?

    @IanDunt: We do nothing and tell no-one? Morally unthinkable. But then the government keeps asking us to consider the morally unthinkable.

    That really is simplistic nonsense. There is every difference in the world between passing on hard information of an imminent attack (which we would of course do) and having detailed day to day co-operation which passes on a great deal of material not obviously of use on its own but which allows other countries to join the dots when added to what they already have. No one else in the EU has made anything like the investment we have in GCHQ and no one else has the US material that we have to add to it. If the EU thinks it can do without it or continues to angst about whether it is compatible with the ECHR as adopted into the EU treaties that is a matter for them but I suspect those who are at risk may have a view that differs from some of the legalists.
    Presumably cooperation is a two way street and we benefit from their information also. Perhaps not as much.

    But still-hunt if it's a question of anti-terrorism wouldn't public will be pretty unsympathetic to the idea that we have reduced cooperation as a bargaining tactic?
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    surbiton said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    You don't mean "darkies" will be picking fruit in Lincolnshire, surely ?
    You seem to imply that no one with a brown face could possibly be European. Yet again.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    edited January 2017
    MarqueeMark said:

    TGOHF said:

    Tim (F) has an enviable position compared with Nicola -

    Her options are to call a referendum to leave a big single market to retain a small one whilst ditching the pound for the Euro or scuttle away to the shadows grumbling.

    The written statement rather than the tour of the news studios suggests she's already picked the latter.

    His unenviable position is being an utter cock.
    Farron makes Ed Miliband look electable :lol:
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    rkrkrk said:

    DavidL said:

    Scott_P said:

    @IanDunt: Security cooperation is a core component of UK Brexit strategy, but think what that entails: Give us what we want or we stop helping.

    @IanDunt: As in the EU citizens case, it's worth imagining what happens if they call our bluff. We get intelligence of an impending attack And what?

    @IanDunt: We do nothing and tell no-one? Morally unthinkable. But then the government keeps asking us to consider the morally unthinkable.

    That really is simplistic nonsense. There is every difference in the world between passing on hard information of an imminent attack (which we would of course do) and having detailed day to day co-operation which passes on a great deal of material not obviously of use on its own but which allows other countries to join the dots when added to what they already have. No one else in the EU has made anything like the investment we have in GCHQ and no one else has the US material that we have to add to it. If the EU thinks it can do without it or continues to angst about whether it is compatible with the ECHR as adopted into the EU treaties that is a matter for them but I suspect those who are at risk may have a view that differs from some of the legalists.
    Presumably cooperation is a two way street and we benefit from their information also. Perhaps not as much.

    But still-hunt if it's a question of anti-terrorism wouldn't public will be pretty unsympathetic to the idea that we have reduced cooperation as a bargaining tactic?
    There are undoubtedly mutual interests in this. And May will ostentatiously hold out the hand of friendship and co-operation in this field. I think the EU will take it. Eventually.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited January 2017
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    TGOHF said:

    Tim (F) has an enviable position compared with Nicola -

    Her options are to call a referendum to leave a big single market to retain a small one whilst ditching the pound for the Euro or scuttle away to the shadows grumbling.

    The written statement rather than the tour of the news studios suggests she's already picked the latter.

    His unenviable position is being an utter cock.
    Farron makes Ed Miliband seem electable :lol:
    I think Norman Lamb is one of the best MPs in the business. I would've picked him over Farron. I think Farron is a good campaigner but not a leader. He looks like Owen Jones's older brother.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    surbiton said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    You don't mean "darkies" will be picking fruit in Lincolnshire, surely ?
    RACIST REMAINER!!!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    surbiton said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    logical_song said:

    DavidL said:

    SandyRentool said:

    DavidL said:

    tpfkar said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Tim Farron accuses Theresa May of "waving the white flag from the White Cliffs of Dover".

    Seriously? - What an utter prick he is.

    It's an odd phrase - but he's done well today. Actually looked like the Opposition Leader.

    If Nuttall runs for UKIP in Stoke, it raises the stakes all round. Humiliating him would be a big win for the other parties.
    Farron is at least getting a hearing. And filling in some of that void where the Labour Party used to be. One consequence of May making her speech outside Parliament is that the LOTO is not given pride of place in responding and Farron, who may or may not have even been called in the House, has taken full advantage. Corbyn, not so much.
    I imagine that this evening's Channel 4 news will include a 20 minute soft-soap interview with Farron, and everyone agreeing how beastly Brexit is.
    Very likely. Will Corbyn even get a mention? Completely irrelevant. The chart that Mike showed of the proportion of remainers supporting the Lib Dems is only going to go in one direction, albeit I suspect the absolute number of die in the ditch remainers will fall over time.
    If all goes smoothly and nobody notices prices going up you could be right. Plenty more potential downside than upside for Theresa I suspect.
    Oh this is not going to be easy. But don't underestimate the upside if she delivers a UK outside the EU that feels very, very like it felt inside the EU but with much more control of immigration.
    But it could equally end up with higher prices and immigration just coming from the rest of the world rather than Europe.
    You don't mean "darkies" will be picking fruit in Lincolnshire, surely ?
    The current favoured Leave position, as far as I can ascertain that they have one, is that the fruit is going to pick itself.
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