As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
So in this ward 74% of people say they'll vote Lab.
As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years
IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even in private and whether or not he was drunk.
If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. This was the woman who dared to call men who dug coal and wanted to keep their jobs the "enemy within". If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years
IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even when sober.
If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
The Tonypandy dislike related to Churchill's ministerial career, he has consistently been voted the UK's best PM by the public. Even in the 1945 campaign huge crowds turned out to hear him speak as his party was about to get trounced. Along with Attlee and Thatcher, Churchill was the best PM of the last century in my view
Never occurred to me that Labour might lose their deposit in Sleaford. Shocking if those reports are true.
again.....hahahaah. They can write off next election, each MP for him/her self now. If I was an MP in a city like Sunderland wih ukip breathing down my neck I would be campaiging on leaving th e.u and immigration everyday of the short campaign.
Never occurred to me that Labour might lose their deposit in Sleaford. Shocking if those reports are true.
again.....hahahaah. They can write off next election, each MP for him/her self now. If I was an MP in a city like Sunderland wih ukip breathing down my neck I would be campaiging on leaving th e.u and immigration everyday of the short campaign.
@britainelects: Question of who'll come second not yet clear. Rumours UKIP and Lib Dems in contention. Labour likely to be pushed from second to fourth.
Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.
"Best" is a matter of opinion. "Undoubted" is simply incorrect, unless only doubt in the minds of Tories counts.
In my opinion the best prime ministers since WW2 were Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson.
The legacies of every PM is always mixed.
Clement Attlee brought the NHS, but he also brought famine, bankruptcy and the end of the empire.
Harold Wilson brought the end of the death penalty, but he also brought crime, bankruptcy and industrial strife.
I don't rate them high, no PM should be rated high, all of them caused one disaster or the other.
On the negative side, Attlee did bring famine and also NATO membership and nuclear weapons. But the end of the empire would have happened anyway and I'd rate it as a good thing, although perhaps if Britain had acted differently then far fewer people may have been killed in the Indo-Pakistani war. Wilson brought exports and the Open University and generally brought the country out of the side-whiskers era. The Open University was a great idea and it is shame that it didn't grow much bigger. It was not at all in the same mickey-mouse category as much tertiary educational provision is today. (I'm told that a few years ago it quadrupled its prices, slashed tuition and lowered payments to lecturers practically all in one go.)
I doubt it. In many places the parties have signed up their core supporters and relentlessly follow them up by email, telephone, and visits. I suspect the PV turnout in some places could be 80%.
I don't even think Kendall is finished. After the BDSM of the May epoch I think the nation will be ready for the comforting presence of a slightly left of centre MILF with a kind face in No. 10.
I don't even think Kendall is finished. After the BDSM of the May epoch I think the nation will be ready for the comforting presence of a slightly left of centre MILF with a kind face in No. 10.
It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years
IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even in private and whether or not he was drunk.
If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. This was the woman who dared to call men who dug coal and wanted to keep their jobs the "enemy within". If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
But those people who gathered in Trafalgar Square were, to put it bluntly, thick as pig shit and utterly unrepresentative of the country as a whole. Many more gathered to pay their respects and were probably far more representative of the country than the tossers who celebrated.
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
Nothing like an ultra safe Tory seat in rural Lincolnshire setting the agenda.
I'm not even waiting for the result, take any by-election in a Tory safe seat of the past 6 years and it will be the same result.
The key thing though is that any swing from the Tories is not going to Labour but to UKIP and the LDs, following Labour's poor third in Richmond Park that is two poor by-elections in a row and in Sleaford they were second last time they are now heading for fourth or maybe even fifth
The interview I heard with the Labour candidate was pathetic. He blurred out that he'd voted Remain in a tone you'd use to admit to kiddy fiddling because of " Jobs and investment " in a further tone implying " jobs and investment " were equivalent to Moloch worship. He then banged on about he was gagging to vote for A50 if elected. Who exactly is such craven and unconfirmed flip flopping meant to appeal to ?
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
I don't think the membership gives a sh*t.
A lot of them would! The evidence was not there last Summer with Corbynites being able to claim that he had exceeded expectations in respect of the electoral tests set for him. That has now changed!
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
Yes but for the official opposition to come 4th or worse in any by-election would be very bad (especially outside Scotland and Wales with no SNP or Plaid), the Tories got rid of IDS when they came third in Brent South
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000591
Then 8% show up and vote for "Corbyn's Labour"
Another straw in the GE wind
Was 1.02 earlier.
Could UKIP have a chance?
If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. This was the woman who dared to call men who dug coal and wanted to keep their jobs the "enemy within". If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
LDs were matched at 3.
UKIP can still be laid at 1.4.
And on that image, good night.
In the w/o Conservatives market, LD were 1.2, Kippers 1.22
To term the LDs favourite in such circumstances is an error.
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Night all.
Votes: 32,893
Electorate: 88,783
https://twitter.com/bbcthisweek/status/807008309400268801
I'm not even waiting for the result, take any by-election in a Tory safe seat of the past 6 years and it will be the same result.
"Beware of drugs, or else you might end up like those two"
No Sky News live pictures of the piles this time...
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).