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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940
    AndyJS said:
    As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    AndyJS said:

    As expected, the news channels aren't reporting on this by-election with the same seriousness that they did with the Richmond by-election.

    "Conservative party wins safe seat on low turnout a long way from Portland Place" simply doesn't get the heart racing.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Newham SOuth was a tory seat?!?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    As expected, the news channels aren't reporting on this by-election with the same seriousness that they did with the Richmond by-election.

    "Conservative party wins safe seat on low turnout a long way from Portland Place" simply doesn't get the heart racing.
    I stocked up all this Blue Nun for no reason :(
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,021
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:
    That is staggering: from winners to fourth. Even the LibDems didn't manage that in many seats.
    Yes. This was pretty good going though:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/constituencies/E14000591
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    As expected, the news channels aren't reporting on this by-election with the same seriousness that they did with the Richmond by-election.

    "Conservative party wins safe seat on low turnout a long way from Portland Place" simply doesn't get the heart racing.
    This Week will be reporting on it before the end of the programme
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited December 2016
    slade said:

    AndyJS said:
    As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
    So in this ward 74% of people say they'll vote Lab.

    Then 8% show up and vote for "Corbyn's Labour"

    Another straw in the GE wind ;)
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    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    As expected, the news channels aren't reporting on this by-election with the same seriousness that they did with the Richmond by-election.

    "Conservative party wins safe seat on low turnout a long way from Portland Place" simply doesn't get the heart racing.
    I stocked up all this Blue Nun for no reason :(
    With christmas coming up , plenty of opportunities...I suggest when neighbours you don't particularly like pop around.
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    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    Something that could be asked about Mensch, though not the journalist bit obviously.

    Edit: and definitely not the award winning novelist bit.
    As a reverse snob when it comes to books, not being award winning is a plus.
    I'll hazard a guess that it's not big enough a plus to have gotten you into Bagshaw's oeuvre, though apols if you're a fan.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited December 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    He took heroin on John Major's plane
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Never occurred to me that Labour might lose their deposit in Sleaford. Shocking if those reports are true.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
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    I think tonight's winner is the partner of the other Independent Cllr elected in 2015
    slade said:

    AndyJS said:
    As I understand it the former councillor was elected as Labour, then became an Independent, and had previously been a Lib Dem.So make of that what you will.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    RobD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    As expected, the news channels aren't reporting on this by-election with the same seriousness that they did with the Richmond by-election.

    "Conservative party wins safe seat on low turnout a long way from Portland Place" simply doesn't get the heart racing.
    I stocked up all this Blue Nun for no reason :(
    I would have thought this was your celebratory tipple - http://www.flyacecorp.com/uploads/images/products/Single Shot/fac products__0001__MG_4681.jpg
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058

    kle4 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    Something that could be asked about Mensch, though not the journalist bit obviously.

    Edit: and definitely not the award winning novelist bit.
    As a reverse snob when it comes to books, not being award winning is a plus.
    I'll hazard a guess that it's not big enough a plus to have gotten you into Bagshaw's oeuvre, though apols if you're a fan.
    Not enough on it's own, no. Bit outside my wheelhouse, genre wise, admittedly.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited December 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    Looks like he works at a uni now.(Brunel)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Not a very liquid market, but Lib Dems favourite to come second on betfair
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,318
    Con just matched at 1.05 in Sleaford.

    Was 1.02 earlier.

    Could UKIP have a chance?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    He took heroin on John Major's plane
    Honey, we've all shot up smack on John Major's plane.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    MikeL said:


    Could UKIP have a chance?

    Imagine the reaction if it's the LDs clipping at the Tories' heels...
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    HYUFD said:

    It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years

    IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even in private and whether or not he was drunk.

    If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. This was the woman who dared to call men who dug coal and wanted to keep their jobs the "enemy within". If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,318
    Scott_P said:

    Not a very liquid market, but Lib Dems favourite to come second on betfair

    Not really.

    LDs were matched at 3.

    UKIP can still be laid at 1.4.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,609
    edited December 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    He took heroin on John Major's plane
    Honey, we've all shot up smack on John Major's plane.
    Sounds like a euphemism Edwina Currie would come up with.

    And on that image, good night.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited December 2016
    Dromedary said:

    HYUFD said:

    It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years

    IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even when sober.

    If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
    The Tonypandy dislike related to Churchill's ministerial career, he has consistently been voted the UK's best PM by the public. Even in the 1945 campaign huge crowds turned out to hear him speak as his party was about to get trounced. Along with Attlee and Thatcher, Churchill was the best PM of the last century in my view
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,318
    edited December 2016

    MikeL said:


    Could UKIP have a chance?

    Imagine the reaction if it's the LDs clipping at the Tories' heels...
    LDs are 75 for the win.
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    nunu said:

    Newham SOuth was a tory seat?!?

    So was Ilford South, as recently as 1992.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    AndyJS said:

    Never occurred to me that Labour might lose their deposit in Sleaford. Shocking if those reports are true.

    again.....hahahaah. They can write off next election, each MP for him/her self now. If I was an MP in a city like Sunderland wih ukip breathing down my neck I would be campaiging on leaving th e.u and immigration everyday of the short campaign.
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    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    What does Will Self actually do? I know he's someone that's on TV a lot talking about politics but what does he actually do? Journalist?

    He took heroin on John Major's plane
    Honey, we've all shot up smack on John Major's plane.
    He snorted it which is a bit weedy, not to mention a crap bang for your buck.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Scott_P said:

    Not a very liquid market, but Lib Dems favourite to come second on betfair

    eh?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: Lib Dems doing better than expected in Sleaford by-election apparently
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    nunu said:

    AndyJS said:

    Never occurred to me that Labour might lose their deposit in Sleaford. Shocking if those reports are true.

    again.....hahahaah. They can write off next election, each MP for him/her self now. If I was an MP in a city like Sunderland wih ukip breathing down my neck I would be campaiging on leaving th e.u and immigration everyday of the short campaign.
    But but but what about 21st Century Socialism?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pong said:

    eh?

    Was true when I posted it.

    In the w/o Conservatives market, LD were 1.2, Kippers 1.22
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tombateman: Mood so far in Sleaford - Tories think doing well.. Ukip not as bullish as earlier in week... v distinct lack of confidence from Labour
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    Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Not a very liquid market, but Lib Dems favourite to come second on betfair

    eh?
    It was briefly 1.2 v 1.22.

    To term the LDs favourite in such circumstances is an error.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    To term the LDs favourite in such circumstances is an error.

    :smile:

    /disable Senior mode
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058
    edited December 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: Lib Dems doing better than expected in Sleaford by-election apparently

    That would depend on who was doing the expecting. I presume they mean solidly third?

    Night all.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Conservatives confident they'll hold Sleaford & North Hykeham. Upset or close result unlikely.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Scott_P said:

    Pong said:

    eh?

    Was true when I posted it.

    In the w/o Conservatives market, LD were 1.2, Kippers 1.22
    The lay prices are always the ones to look at here I think.
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    Scott_P said:

    To term the LDs favourite in such circumstances is an error.

    :smile:

    /disable Senior mode
    You definitely had a Senior moment there :) Not least since there was still plenty of odds-on looking to back UKIP...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Question of who'll come second not yet clear. Rumours UKIP and Lib Dems in contention. Labour likely to be pushed from second to fourth.
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    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Conservatives confident they'll hold Sleaford & North Hykeham. Upset or close result unlikely.

    So in other words they are weighing Tory votes like Venezuelan bank notes at a bakery.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited December 2016
    Postal votes wot won it; 67.2% turnout.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Not yet clear Labour will even hold their deposit. Would mean a drop for them of at least twelve points.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2016
    nunu said:

    Newham SOuth was a tory seat?!?

    Newham South was never a Tory seat, although they got close in 1992 and 1987.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148

    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Conservatives confident they'll hold Sleaford & North Hykeham. Upset or close result unlikely.

    So in other words they are weighing Tory votes like Venezuelan bank notes at a bakery.
    Postal vote turnout was 67.2%. Perhaps that's why the Tories are confident.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    Speedy said:

    Dromedary said:



    Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.

    "Best" is a matter of opinion. "Undoubted" is simply incorrect, unless only doubt in the minds of Tories counts.

    In my opinion the best prime ministers since WW2 were Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson.

    The legacies of every PM is always mixed.

    Clement Attlee brought the NHS, but he also brought famine, bankruptcy and the end of the empire.

    Harold Wilson brought the end of the death penalty, but he also brought crime, bankruptcy and industrial strife.

    I don't rate them high, no PM should be rated high, all of them caused one disaster or the other.
    On the negative side, Attlee did bring famine and also NATO membership and nuclear weapons. But the end of the empire would have happened anyway and I'd rate it as a good thing, although perhaps if Britain had acted differently then far fewer people may have been killed in the Indo-Pakistani war. Wilson brought exports and the Open University and generally brought the country out of the side-whiskers era. The Open University was a great idea and it is shame that it didn't grow much bigger. It was not at all in the same mickey-mouse category as much tertiary educational provision is today. (I'm told that a few years ago it quadrupled its prices, slashed tuition and lowered payments to lecturers practically all in one go.)
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    Postal votes wot won it; 67.2%

    Thats amazing - is that a record
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Turnout just 37%.

    Votes: 32,893
    Electorate: 88,783
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tories sound safe enough, scooped the 1.03 for some overnight interest.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Postal votes wot won it; 67.2%

    Thats amazing - is that a record
    No - but it suggests that almost 25% of the total votes cast were postal votes.
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940

    Postal votes wot won it; 67.2%

    Thats amazing - is that a record
    I doubt it. In many places the parties have signed up their core supporters and relentlessly follow them up by email, telephone, and visits. I suspect the PV turnout in some places could be 80%.
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    So from one former heroin addict on qt to another on this week...not so sure that one is former though.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    This Week by election update now on
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    Cherie Blair has really let herself go
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    BBC correspondent says Tories have won, UKIP confident of coming second
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2016
    If Labour lose their deposit they might come 5th behind the Lincs Ind candidate who has saved her deposit twice before.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Cherie Blair has really let herself go
    Yes but which bookie is doing Labour GE lines ?
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    High percentage being postal perhaps also partly explains Labour doing badly.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,040
    I don't even think Kendall is finished. After the BDSM of the May epoch I think the nation will be ready for the comforting presence of a slightly left of centre MILF with a kind face in No. 10.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    I don't even think Kendall is finished. After the BDSM of the May epoch I think the nation will be ready for the comforting presence of a slightly left of centre MILF with a kind face in No. 10.

    Thornberry would be funny
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pete Doherty looking a bit dishevelled on This Week.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    The best worn tie since Mike Hancock.
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Indeed, makes it even worse.
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    AndyJS said:

    Pete Doherty looking a bit dishevelled on This Week.

    That's an upgrade on his usual appearance!
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Maldon is an Independent gain from Con
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    Dromedary said:

    HYUFD said:

    It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years

    IIRC some in the Communist Party in 1945 wanted "a Labour government with Churchill as PM", but none of the people I have known who were in the country in 1945 had any time for Churchill personally although they all celebrated VE Day. Born in Blenheim Palace, Churchill was seen as an arrogant toff who was aloof from the common people and who had no interest in redistributing wealth. Sure he was prime minister of a National government during the war from 1940 to 1945 and he had previously opposed appeasement but he took office largely because his predecessor had got caught out seriously underestimating German strength. I don't think many people could come up with anything they thought Churchill actually did as prime minister that they considered to be worthy of admiration. His personal presentation - his hand signal and his sucking on fat cigars - showed he exhibited self-admiration, though, doubtless even in private and whether or not he was drunk.

    If I would alter what I wrote, it would be to say that Thatcher was more despised than Churchill. Literally thousands of people gathered in Trafalgar Square to celebrate Thatcher's demise. Nothing like that has ever been seen in our lifetimes for any politician. This was the woman who dared to call men who dug coal and wanted to keep their jobs the "enemy within". If we could make other things equal, Churchill would have got some Welsh miners because of Tonypandy but far fewer overall.
    But those people who gathered in Trafalgar Square were, to put it bluntly, thick as pig shit and utterly unrepresentative of the country as a whole. Many more gathered to pay their respects and were probably far more representative of the country than the tossers who celebrated.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Liz Kendall has such a grin when Pete Doherty is talking.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Why the hell has This week got pete Doherty on about bust up's,I've learned nothing from him on the subject -lol
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,026
    AndyJS said:

    Pete Doherty looking a bit dishevelled on This Week.

    I'm looking at it right now. Oh. My. God.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,040



    Thornberry would be funny

    I said kind face not Matt Lucas impersonator.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    AndyJS said:

    Pete Doherty looking a bit dishevelled on This Week.

    That's an upgrade on his usual appearance!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqnqAVOxEU
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    Pulpstar said:

    Cherie Blair has really let herself go
    Yes but which bookie is doing Labour GE lines ?
    I need to get some more on first before you ruin the price :D
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    Why doesn't postman man do this week anymore?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Why the hell has This week got pete Doherty on about bust up's,I've learned nothing from him on the subject -lol

    For a moment I thought they were talking about Bus Stops instead of bust up's.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited December 2016
    Jeez Pete Doherty is only 37...(channelling south park) kids ummmmm ok kids, drugs are badddddddd, ummmmm ok.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
    Nothing like an ultra safe Tory seat in rural Lincolnshire setting the agenda.

    I'm not even waiting for the result, take any by-election in a Tory safe seat of the past 6 years and it will be the same result.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    @Tissue_Price Vanilla msg for you
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016

    Jeez Pete Doherty is only 37...(channelling south park) kids ummmmm ok kids, drugs are badddddddd, ummmmm ok.

    Pete Doherty and Gary Johnson are adverts for the war on drugs.

    "Beware of drugs, or else you might end up like those two"
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    sladeslade Posts: 1,940
    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
    Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/807024648017838080

    No Sky News live pictures of the piles this time...
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    ITV correspondent speculating that Labour may be 5th.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Speedy said:

    Why the hell has This week got pete Doherty on about bust up's,I've learned nothing from him on the subject -lol

    For a moment I thought they were talking about Bus Stops instead of bust up's.
    Lol
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited December 2016
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
    Nothing like an ultra safe Tory seat in rural Lincolnshire setting the agenda.

    I'm not even waiting for the result, take any by-election in a Tory safe seat of the past 6 years and it will be the same result.
    The key thing though is that any swing from the Tories is not going to Labour but to UKIP and the LDs, following Labour's poor third in Richmond Park that is two poor by-elections in a row and in Sleaford they were second last time they are now heading for fourth or maybe even fifth
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154
    slade said:

    Lincolnshire is very peculiar.

    Fixed
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    ITV correspondent speculating that Labour may be 5th.

    Ought to be curtains for Corbyn but won't be with the membership as it is.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
    Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
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    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
    Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
    I think they can rationalize away anything.
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    YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    edited December 2016
    The interview I heard with the Labour candidate was pathetic. He blurred out that he'd voted Remain in a tone you'd use to admit to kiddy fiddling because of " Jobs and investment " in a further tone implying " jobs and investment " were equivalent to Moloch worship. He then banged on about he was gagging to vote for A50 if elected. Who exactly is such craven and unconfirmed flip flopping meant to appeal to ?
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
    Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
    I don't think the membership gives a sh*t.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
    Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
    I don't think the membership gives a sh*t.
    A lot of them would! The evidence was not there last Summer with Corbynites being able to claim that he had exceeded expectations in respect of the electoral tests set for him. That has now changed!
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2016
    O/T

    It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,154

    justin124 said:

    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
    Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
    I don't think the membership gives a sh*t.
    It's a badge of honour, to differentiate them from the power-grabbing Tories who only care about governing and shit like that....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    slade said:

    HYUFD said:

    justin124 said:

    The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.

    Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
    Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
    Yes but for the official opposition to come 4th or worse in any by-election would be very bad (especially outside Scotland and Wales with no SNP or Plaid), the Tories got rid of IDS when they came third in Brent South
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