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Sleaford and North Hykeham (Con defence) to Westminster Parliament Result of Parliament at last election (2015): Conservatives 331, Labour 232, Scottish National Party 56, Northern Ireland Parties 18, Liberal Democrats 8, Plaid Cymru 3, Green Party 1, United Kingdom Independence Party 1 (Conservative majority of 12) Result of constituency at last election (2015): Conservative 34,805 (56%), Labour 10,690 (17%), United Kingdom Independence Party 9,716 (16%), Liberal Democrat 3,500 (6%), Lincolnshire Independent 3,233 (5%) EU Referendum Result (North and South Kesteven combined): REMAIN 58,617 (39%) LEAVE 91,607 (61%) on a turnout of 78% Estimate vote in constituency: REMAIN 38% LEAVE 62% Candidates duly nominated: The Iconic Arty Pole (Monster Raving Loony Party), Victoria Ayling (United Kingdom Independence Party), David Bishop (Bus-Pass Elvis), Jim Clarke (Labour), Paul Coyne (Independent), Caroline Johnson (Conservative), Marianne Overton (Lincolnshire Independent), Ross Pepper (Liberal Democrat), Sarah Stock (Independent*), Mark Suffield (Non Party Independent) * Sarah Stock has been supported by both the Greens and the National Health Action Party

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    First
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Horsehay and Lightmoor on Telford and the Wrekin - god bless you British elections
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Fourth like Labour
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Scott_P said:

    Fourth like Labour

    Hope you arent involved in counting process!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hope you arent involved in counting process!

    It's a cunning plan...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,151
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    First

    We need a judge-led inquiry into insider information on this board. ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    Eighth like Jagger.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Should be a close and exciting contest for third and fourth place between Lab and LD in Sleaford & NH.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Sgt. Sunil: Alright, sweethearts, you're a team and there's nothin' to worry about. We come here, and we're gonna conquer, and we're gonna kick some, is that understood? That's what we're gonna do, sweethearts, we are going to go and get some. All right, people, on the ready line! Are ya lean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: Are ya mean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU?

    PB Tories: Lean and mean!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU? RobD! TSE! Get on the ready line, PB Tories, get some today! Get on the ready line! Move it out! Move it out, goddammit! Get hot! One, two, three, four! Get out, get out, get out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! One, two, three, four, five, six, seven! Aaarrrrr, absolutely badasses! Let's pack 'em in! Get in there!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    The Tories should expect a clean sweep tonight. Anything less and TSE can spin it as a disaster for May!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    edited December 2016
    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    SandyRentool said:

    The Tories should expect a clean sweep tonight. Anything less and TSE can spin it as a disaster for May!

    I've come up with quite a damning line about Mrs May for this Sunday.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2016
    At the Newark by-election in 2014 the swing from Con to UKIP was 15.5%. UKIP needs a swing of 20.3% to win in Sleaford and North Hykeham.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    I think the voters in Sleaford are quite comfortable with the government supporting Brexit, even if they don't know what that means yet.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    I think the voters in Sleaford are quite comfortable with the government supporting Brexit, even if they don't know what that means yet.
    Brexit means Brexit.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424

    You would never find this sort of disagreement between the Labour Leader and Shadow Foreign Sec...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    At the Newark by-election in 2014 the swing from Con to UKIP was 15.5%. UKIP needs a swing of 20.3% to win in Sleaford and North Hykeham.

    Not happening.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Or handbag
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Labour gain from Con in Telford and Wrekin
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Horsehay & Lightmoor (Telford & Wrekin) from Conservative.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    Scott_P said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Or handbag
    Or the Caligula eyes or Monroe mouth.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance
    TSE's public school-boy misogyny!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016
    MarkSenior said:

    Labour gain from Con in Telford and Wrekin

    It's probably the only marginal Westminster seat that the Tory MP is severely unpopular.

    I made a forecast for a year now that Telford will probably be a Labour gain in the next election.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    kle4 said:

    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?

    51% is for the whole council, you would expect a high left wing vote in a ward with "University" in the name I guess.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464
    any idea what time sleaford result expected?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Horsehay & Lightmoor (Telford & Wrekin) from Conservative.

    Well well well. Not down an out everywhere.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    AndyJS said:

    At the Newark by-election in 2014 the swing from Con to UKIP was 15.5%. UKIP needs a swing of 20.3% to win in Sleaford and North Hykeham.

    Reckless got a swing of 28.3% in Rochester in 2014.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    swing_voter said:

    any idea what time sleaford result expected?

    BBC reckon 4 am
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    nunu said:

    kle4 said:

    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?

    51% is for the whole council, you would expect a high left wing vote in a ward with "University" in the name I guess.
    Good point
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Horsehay & Lightmoor (Telford & Wrekin) from Conservative.

    Well well well. Not down an out everywhere.
    Must be an outlier :)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,151
    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    SandyRentool said:

    swing_voter said:

    any idea what time sleaford result expected?

    BBC reckon 4 am
    Unacceptably late.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Horsehay & Lightmoor (Telford & Wrekin) from Conservative.

    Well well well. Not down an out everywhere.
    Lucy Allan is so unpopular she is dragging the local Tories down with her.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    edited December 2016
    We might just seeing the maddest Question Time panel ever tonight...
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    She's speaking in a British accent....
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Progressive Alliance FTW!
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806994592943968256
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,464
    Turnout in Sleaford should be a useful indicator and give a hint if anything surprising happening......4am seems a long time away
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    RobD said:

    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D


    "Comrades, our own Parliamentary Party don't know our full potential! They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our MPs behind, we will pass through the Conservative patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest constituency, and listen to their chortling and tittering... while we conduct Austerity Debates! Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Telford where the sun is warm, and so is the... Comradeship!

    "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    swing_voter said:

    Turnout in Sleaford should be a useful indicator and give a hint if anything surprising happening......4am seems a long time away

    Richmond was declared by 2am wasn't it? Though everyone seemed to know who won by then!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    12.2% Con to Lab swing in Telford! Ms Allan must be SERIOUSLY unpopular.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    swing_voter said:

    Turnout in Sleaford should be a useful indicator and give a hint if anything surprising happening......4am seems a long time away

    Isn't it more down to Sleaford and North Hykeham being vast in size and rural, and a pain to get all the boxes to counting centre?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,387
    Tissue_Price said:

    Progressive Alliance FTW!
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806994592943968256

    There is still a swing from right to left in addition to the lefty tactical voting.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Why is Question Time talking about Trump ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    dixiedean said:

    12.2% Con to Lab swing in Telford! Ms Allan must be SERIOUSLY unpopular.

    UKIP down too. Another anti-Brexit vote.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    Lab Hold

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806995541871697922
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    SandyRentool said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Progressive Alliance FTW!
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806994592943968256

    There is still a swing from right to left in addition to the lefty tactical voting.
    It's like a single Unionist splitting the Nationalist vote in, say, Fermanagh :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    nunu said:

    She's speaking in a British accent....

    Who "test"?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    Aren't we sure the Telford thing isn't down to Emily Thornberry's amazing performance at PMQs
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    nunu said:

    She's speaking in a British accent....

    Who "test"?
    yep.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Aren't we sure the Telford thing isn't down to Emily Thornberry's amazing performance at PMQs

    Castro sympathy vote.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    No way. UKIP on less than 20%.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Margaret Thatcher was rightly the most despised prime minister since Winston Churchill, holding office while the City and other spivs wrecked this country and sent it to the dogs. But I've never heard anyone say she was incompetent. Evil, yes, but not incompetent. Theresa May and the present cabinet are a shower of directionless twerps without the slightest clue of what they are doing. One of them wears pearls, another's got a funny haircut and makes "gaffes". It's almost a government of Monty Python characters. Nobody around seems to have a foreign or trading policy, while nutty generals talk of Blighty taking on Russia in the Baltic. The dustbin of history awaits. Unfortunately there seems to be practically no opposition whatsoever, unless you count - which you shouldn't - the Daily Mail, maybe the Church of England, and the BBC. Perhaps next week it will be the royal family, the Women's Institute, or the Bar Council? What I said: no opposition.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance
    TSE's public school-boy misogyny!
    TSE has a persecution complex - he thinks TM and Tories don't like his kind, whatever that is.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    williamglenn said:

    dixiedean said:

    12.2% Con to Lab swing in Telford! Ms Allan must be SERIOUSLY unpopular.

    UKIP down too. Another anti-Brexit vote.
    In Locals?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    nunu said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    nunu said:

    She's speaking in a British accent....

    Who "test"?
    yep.
    Glad I am watching top gear the grand tour instead.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    Farage pushing the UKIP line that we could leave in a matter of weeks if we wanted to.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    nunu said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    nunu said:

    She's speaking in a British accent....

    Who "test"?
    yep.
    Glad I am watching top gear the grand tour instead.
    Watching Girls v. Boys on the Horror Channel, though may change over soon to Lovelace on Film4.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,092
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab Hold

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806995541871697922

    I believe 80% of the voters in this ward are students - so hardly representative.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    No way. UKIP on less than 20%.
    Its less leave than my seat actually.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    williamglenn said:

    Farage pushing the UKIP line that we could leave in a matter of weeks if we wanted to.

    Yeah Paul Nuttal is coming up with the 'brilliant' idea that we can do just that by repealing the 1972 ECA
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Will self is a prat.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    slade said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab Hold

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806995541871697922

    I believe 80% of the voters in this ward are students - so hardly representative.
    Turnout is reported to be 7 per cent
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Tykejohnno said:

    Will self is a prat.

    What else is new?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,696
    edited December 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/806991213538791424

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance
    May is doing rather better 5 months into her premiership in the polls than Thatcher was in hers. In early December 1979 Labour led 45% to 40% with MORI and 46.3% to 42.1% with NOP and 42% to 38% with Gallup.
    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/voting-intention-1979-1983
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Tykejohnno said:

    Will self is a prat.

    You didn't need to watch QT to know that!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    slade said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab Hold

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806995541871697922

    I believe 80% of the voters in this ward are students - so hardly representative.
    Turnout is reported to be 7 per cent
    Wow, is that a record low?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,726
    Dromedary said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Margaret Thatcher was rightly the most despised prime minister since Winston Churchill, holding office while the City and other spivs wrecked this country and sent it to the dogs. But I've never heard anyone say she was incompetent. Evil, yes, but not incompetent. Theresa May and the present cabinet are a shower of directionless twerps without the slightest clue of what they are doing. One of them wears pearls, another's got a funny haircut and makes "gaffes". It's almost a government of Monty Python characters. Nobody around seems to have a foreign or trading policy, while nutty generals talk of Blighty taking on Russia in the Baltic. The dustbin of history awaits. Unfortunately there seems to be practically no opposition whatsoever, unless you count - which you shouldn't - the Daily Mail, maybe the Church of England, and the BBC. What I said: no opposition.

    LOL. Listing the undoubted two best PMs (Churchill as war PM rather than peacetime) of the twentieth century as the 'most despised' is comical. You really do have an extremely warped view of the world.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    slade said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Lab Hold

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/806995541871697922

    I believe 80% of the voters in this ward are students - so hardly representative.
    Turnout is reported to be 7 per cent
    Bloody lazy students...
  • Chris_from_ParisChris_from_Paris Posts: 198
    O/T French election

    New left-wing primary poll (Harris Interactive for France Television) - one of the first trying to poll only primary voters

    First round
    Valls 45 Montebourg 28 Hamon 11 Filoche 6 Lienemann 5
    Larrouturou 3 Benhamias 1 de Rugy 1

    Valls seems to walk it but...

    Second round
    Valls 51 Montebourg 49

    Main lessons:
    - Valls dominates the first round as he is (for now at least) teh only representative of the right-wing and centre-wing of the socialists.
    - The left-wing block (Montebourg/Hamon/Filoche/Lienemann) represents 50%
    - Thus, even with the probabale support of the three non-socialists (Larrouturou, Benhamias, de Rugy), Valls is not at all sure to win the second round.

    Another element against Valls is that at least one other candidate will join the field this weekend, representing the centrist brach of the party: Vincent Peillon. Although not particularly populat in the general public, he seems to gather around him a lot of former Hollande supporters in the party's apparatus.
    No poll including Peillon has been done yet but I suspect that he will reduce Valls first round score and thus the gap between Valls and Montebourg.


  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Will self is a prat.

    You didn't need to watch QT to know that!
    Farage got the better of him though ;-)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,267
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @britainelects: Labour GAIN Horsehay & Lightmoor (Telford & Wrekin) from Conservative.

    Well well well. Not down an out everywhere.
    As long as the LibDems and Greens don't stand.....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Will you take a selfie with Will Self?
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    williamglenn said:

    Farage pushing the UKIP line that we could leave in a matter of weeks if we wanted to.

    And goods would then come into Dover on what basis?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Aren't we sure the Telford thing isn't down to Emily Thornberry's amazing performance at PMQs

    Or Lidington's???
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    williamglenn said:

    Farage pushing the UKIP line that we could leave in a matter of weeks if we wanted to.

    Yeah Paul Nuttal is coming up with the 'brilliant' idea that we can do just that by repealing the 1972 ECA
    We could. It wouldn't be a good idea but we could - in fact that's been said on all sides as to why Parliament is still sovereign for decades.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Tykejohnno said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Will self is a prat.

    You didn't need to watch QT to know that!
    Farage got the better of him though ;-)
    Once upon a time he wrote vaguely interesting novels, now he is just a self important miserable left wing prat.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Will you take a selfie with Will Self?

    He does rather look like Valdemort.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited December 2016
    That lady on QT saying that things have changed regarding how politics works and the internet is correct.

    This is the mouthpiece of the american President these days:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhI_2o6uLcc&feature=youtu.be
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,267
    kle4 said:

    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?

    They are in a fight to the death with the Can't Be Arsed Party......
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,696
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Dromedary said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Margaret Thatcher was rightly the most despised prime minister since Winston Churchill, holding office while the City and other spivs wrecked this country and sent it to the dogs. But I've never heard anyone say she was incompetent. Evil, yes, but not incompetent. Theresa May and the present cabinet are a shower of directionless twerps without the slightest clue of what they are doing. One of them wears pearls, another's got a funny haircut and makes "gaffes". It's almost a government of Monty Python characters. Nobody around seems to have a foreign or trading policy, while nutty generals talk of Blighty taking on Russia in the Baltic. The dustbin of history awaits. Unfortunately there seems to be practically no opposition whatsoever, unless you count - which you shouldn't - the Daily Mail, maybe the Church of England, and the BBC. What I said: no opposition.

    LOL. Listing the undoubted two best PMs (Churchill as war PM rather than peacetime) of the twentieth century as the 'most despised' is comical. You really do have an extremely warped view of the world.
    As a PM Churchill was never despised, as a minister maybe. Heath and Blair were more despised and Brown in the 21st century
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    No way. UKIP on less than 20%.
    It will be an interesting test of how solid the Remain feeling is in a Leave area. It's conceivable that the people who don't go along with the majority there are very stubborn in their view. 40% can get you very far in a FPTP election, especially if UKIP are able to split off the fanatical Leavers.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Dromedary said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Margaret Thatcher was rightly the most despised prime minister since Winston Churchill, holding office while the City and other spivs wrecked this country and sent it to the dogs. But I've never heard anyone say she was incompetent. Evil, yes, but not incompetent. Theresa May and the present cabinet are a shower of directionless twerps without the slightest clue of what they are doing. One of them wears pearls, another's got a funny haircut and makes "gaffes". It's almost a government of Monty Python characters. Nobody around seems to have a foreign or trading policy, while nutty generals talk of Blighty taking on Russia in the Baltic. The dustbin of history awaits. Unfortunately there seems to be practically no opposition whatsoever, unless you count - which you shouldn't - the Daily Mail, maybe the Church of England, and the BBC. What I said: no opposition.

    LOL. Listing the undoubted two best PMs (Churchill as war PM rather than peacetime) of the twentieth century as the 'most despised' is comical. You really do have an extremely warped view of the world.
    Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.

    "Best" is a matter of opinion. "Undoubted" is simply incorrect, unless only doubt in the minds of Tories counts.

    In my opinion the best prime ministers since WW2 were Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    MarqueeMark said:

    kle4 said:

    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?

    They are in a fight to the death with the Can't Be Arsed Party......
    He was a BNP front candidate.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Meanwhile...

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/806791504354099200

    https://twitter.com/plopgazette/status/806935247065583617
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    dixiedean said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    kle4 said:

    Lancaster - Labour and Greens on 68% between them and Leave on 51%, interesting.

    Overall, not a night for LD triumphs it would seem.

    And 'Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care' is such an odd name I thought at first it was supposed to be an acronym somehow. Could there be a Fighting Unsustainable Housing Even Though We Don't Care group?

    They are in a fight to the death with the Can't Be Arsed Party......
    He was a BNP front candidate.
    The odd name guy I mean.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    williamglenn said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    No way. UKIP on less than 20%.
    It will be an interesting test of how solid the Remain feeling is in a Leave area. It's conceivable that the people who don't go along with the majority there are very stubborn in their view. 40% can get you very far in a FPTP election, especially if UKIP are able to split off the fanatical Leavers.
    Leave may be popular (though Kipper, Lab and Tory are all on that ticket), but the local factor is that Victoria Ayling is a deeply unpleasant person.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Dromedary said:

    Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1983
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1987
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,151
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D


    "Comrades, our own Parliamentary Party don't know our full potential! They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our MPs behind, we will pass through the Conservative patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest constituency, and listen to their chortling and tittering... while we conduct Austerity Debates! Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Telford where the sun is warm, and so is the... Comradeship!

    "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"


    Chortling and tittering... get's me every time :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,696
    Dromedary said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    Dromedary said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theresa May is Mrs Thatcher without the warmth, people skills, or election winning brilliance

    Margaret Thatcher was rightly the most despised prime minister since Winston Churchill, holding office while the City and other spivs wrecked this country and sent it to the dogs. But I've never heard anyone say she was incompetent. Evil, yes, but not incompetent. Theresa May and the present cabinet are a shower of directionless twerps without the slightest clue of what they are doing. One of them wears pearls, another's got a funny haircut and makes "gaffes". It's almost a government of Monty Python characters. Nobody around seems to have a foreign or trading policy, while nutty generals talk of Blighty taking on Russia in the Baltic. The dustbin of history awaits. Unfortunately there seems to be practically no opposition whatsoever, unless you count - which you shouldn't - the Daily Mail, maybe the Church of England, and the BBC. What I said: no opposition.

    LOL. Listing the undoubted two best PMs (Churchill as war PM rather than peacetime) of the twentieth century as the 'most despised' is comical. You really do have an extremely warped view of the world.
    Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.

    "Best" is a matter of opinion. "Undoubted" is simply incorrect, unless only doubt in the minds of Tories counts.

    In my opinion the best prime ministers since WW2 were Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson.
    It is incorrect to say Churchill was 'despised' as PM, he was personally hugely popular right across the spectrum once he led Britain in the war in 1940 and his return to office in 1951 was mainly a result of guilt at rejecting the Tories in 1945, it was never a rejection of him. In terms of despised PMs Brown, Blair, OK Thatcher, Heath, Macdonald were all more despised in the last 100 years
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,385
    edited December 2016
    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D


    "Comrades, our own Parliamentary Party don't know our full potential! They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our MPs behind, we will pass through the Conservative patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest constituency, and listen to their chortling and tittering... while we conduct Austerity Debates! Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Telford where the sun is warm, and so is the... Comradeship!

    "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"


    Chortling and tittering... get's me every time :D
    Six weeks at ConHome for you for that appalling misuse of an apostrophe
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,830
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Tykejohnno said:

    Will self is a prat.

    You didn't need to watch QT to know that!
    Farage got the better of him though ;-)
    Once upon a time he wrote vaguely interesting novels, now he is just a self important miserable left wing prat.
    +1

    Emphasis on self important, with oodles of arrogance.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,764
    For any oneirologists here, I had a dream last night that the Lib Dems triumphed in Sleaford and Ronnie Barker was their candidate. What can that mean?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,151
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D


    "Comrades, our own Parliamentary Party don't know our full potential! They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our MPs behind, we will pass through the Conservative patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest constituency, and listen to their chortling and tittering... while we conduct Austerity Debates! Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Telford where the sun is warm, and so is the... Comradeship!

    "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"


    Chortling and tittering... get's me every time :D
    Six weeks at ConHome for you for that appalling misuse of an apostrophe
    Just testing you ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,151
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    RobD said:

    @Sunil .. nothing quite beats the Red October speech :D


    "Comrades, our own Parliamentary Party don't know our full potential! They will do everything possible to test us; but they will only test their own embarrassment. We will leave our MPs behind, we will pass through the Conservative patrols, past their sonar nets, and lay off their largest constituency, and listen to their chortling and tittering... while we conduct Austerity Debates! Then, and when we are finished, the only sound they will hear is our laughter, while we sail to Telford where the sun is warm, and so is the... Comradeship!

    "A great day, Comrades! We sail into history!"


    Chortling and tittering... get's me every time :D
    Six weeks at ConHome for you for that appalling misuse of an apostrophe
    On a more serious note, I think I am going senile given my lapse in ability to spell recently.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531
    foxinsoxuk said:

    williamglenn said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I have this feeling that UKIP might just pull this off.

    Richmond Park sent a message about Brexit, perhaps the Leave Wallahs of Sleaford and North Hykeham may also decide a message too.

    No way. UKIP on less than 20%.
    It will be an interesting test of how solid the Remain feeling is in a Leave area. It's conceivable that the people who don't go along with the majority there are very stubborn in their view. 40% can get you very far in a FPTP election, especially if UKIP are able to split off the fanatical Leavers.
    Leave may be popular (though Kipper, Lab and Tory are all on that ticket), but the local factor is that Victoria Ayling is a deeply unpleasant person.
    Though the Labour candidate said he voted Remain. but is "comfortable" with the ref result. Very much like myself and some others.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,381
    Farage will have to accept that his teeth are too terrible for him to ever make it in the US. Perhaps a cheapo implants weekend in Kracow might be in order.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Tissue_Price said:

    Dromedary said:

    Well one of us does. It is a fact that they were both widely despised. I mean in the country, not in the narrow confines of the Tory party, golf clubs, and chambers of commerce.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1983
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1987
    Even in '83 Maggie only got 43.9% of the vote. Even at the height of her powers most Britons voted against her.
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