The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
Yes but for the official opposition to come 4th or worse in any by-election would be very bad (especially outside Scotland and Wales with no SNP or Plaid), the Tories got rid of IDS when they came third in Brent South
I'd forgotten about Brent South. I remember IDS was teetering when the Lib Dems were on the brink of overtaking the Tories in the national opinion polls, though I don't recall if this ever actually happened.
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Why would the membership vote any differently than before?
Because of results such as this which provide clear evidence of Corbyn's electoral toxicity!
I don't think the membership gives a sh*t.
A lot of them would! The evidence was not there last Summer with Corbynites being able to claim that he had exceeded expectations in respect of the electoral tests set for him. That has now changed!
Nah, Corbyn has a cult following like Trump he can do no wrong. These results just prove MSM bias.
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
The PLP moved too early. Needed to wait for results like this.Perhaps next year’s County Council results will provide the basis for another challenge.
Yes, if the County results follow the Sleaford result UKIP and the LDs will squeeze Labour
Lincolnshire county council is very peculiar. As well as the majority Conservatives there are UKIP, Lincolnshire Independents, and Anti-Europe councillors. There have been some strange changes in representation over recent years.
Yes but for the official opposition to come 4th or worse in any by-election would be very bad (especially outside Scotland and Wales with no SNP or Plaid), the Tories got rid of IDS when they came third in Brent South
I'd forgotten about Brent South. I remember IDS was teetering when the Lib Dems were on the brink of overtaking the Tories in the national opinion polls, though I don't recall if this ever actually happened.
The LDs never actually overtook the Tories in the polls (Clegg actually managed it briefly in 2010 after the first debate but he overtook Labour then too) however while the Tories were flatlining the LDs under Kennedy were making more progress against Blair's Labour
ITV correspondent speculating that Labour may be 5th.
Ought to be curtains for Corbyn but won't be with the membership as it is.
The LDs also lost deposit after deposit in coalition and never got anywhere near to a leadership challenge. Still, Labour can console themselves that the LDs did ok at the next general election...not.
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
The week I was born! Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side was #1 I think. Might be wrong, I don't remember it all that well.
Neither the Lib Dems nor UKIP can form a government. Barring total realignment non Tory governments have to be led by Labour. If Labour has done as badly as we are being briefed it's yet more evidence we're in David Milluband's " One governing party state ". Another nudge toward #Mayday.
ITV correspondent speculating that Labour may be 5th.
Ought to be curtains for Corbyn but won't be with the membership as it is.
The LDs also lost deposit after deposit in coalition and never got anywhere near to a leadership challenge. Still, Labour can console themselves that the LDs did ok at the next general election...not.
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
The week I was born! Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side was #1 I think. Might be wrong, I don't remember it all that well.
They got knocked off number one this week by Boy George and Culture Club with Do You Really Want To Hurt Me.
Neither the Lib Dems nor UKIP can form a government. Barring total realignment non Tory governments have to be led by Labour. If Labour has done as badly as we are being briefed it's yet more evidence we're in David Milluband's " One governing party state ". Another nudge toward #Mayday.
I think that's what we're seeing, in addition to the Tory vote being soft. The constituency battleground map will look very different in the next election.
It's 21st October 1982 on BBC4 with vintage Top of the Pops if anyone's interested. (That was the same month CDs first became commercially available IIRC).
From Daniel Hewitt 'I'm told it's close between Labour and Lib Dems for 3rd. 100-200 votes. Labour fears of losing their deposit appear to have not materialised'
Does anybody have an estimate of what time they will declare the result?
The original estimate was 4am. Why it takes them so long when Sunderland can count three constituencies by 11:30pm is a mystery.
Sunderland does not have to wait for ballot boxes from outlying villages
Sunderland probably have a lot more volunteers helping out too. The cynic in me would want the Sunderland results audited occasionally.
Indeed, Sunderland seems more interested in ensuring it always declares first than the actual result
Their results are accurate, I'm pretty sure of that. They just have more counters.
Their election is the race for first
Actually they haven't had any competitors for a long time. In the last few elections they've declared about an hour before anyone else, so it hasn't been close.
Does anybody have an estimate of what time they will declare the result?
The original estimate was 4am. Why it takes them so long when Sunderland can count three constituencies by 11:30pm is a mystery.
Sunderland does not have to wait for ballot boxes from outlying villages
Sunderland probably have a lot more volunteers helping out too. The cynic in me would want the Sunderland results audited occasionally.
Indeed, Sunderland seems more interested in ensuring it always declares first than the actual result
Their results are accurate, I'm pretty sure of that. They just have more counters.
Their election is the race for first
Actually they haven't had any competitors for a long time. In the last few elections they've declared about an hour before anyone else, so it hasn't been close.
Maybe they should earn some money telling California how it is done.
Does anybody have an estimate of what time they will declare the result?
The original estimate was 4am. Why it takes them so long when Sunderland can count three constituencies by 11:30pm is a mystery.
Sunderland does not have to wait for ballot boxes from outlying villages
Sunderland probably have a lot more volunteers helping out too. The cynic in me would want the Sunderland results audited occasionally.
Indeed, Sunderland seems more interested in ensuring it always declares first than the actual result
Their results are accurate, I'm pretty sure of that. They just have more counters.
Their election is the race for first
Actually they haven't had any competitors for a long time. In the last few elections they've declared about an hour before anyone else, so it hasn't been close.
Does anybody have an estimate of what time they will declare the result?
The original estimate was 4am. Why it takes them so long when Sunderland can count three constituencies by 11:30pm is a mystery.
Sunderland does not have to wait for ballot boxes from outlying villages
Sunderland probably have a lot more volunteers helping out too. The cynic in me would want the Sunderland results audited occasionally.
Indeed, Sunderland seems more interested in ensuring it always declares first than the actual result
Their results are accurate, I'm pretty sure of that. They just have more counters.
Their election is the race for first
Actually they haven't had any competitors for a long time. In the last few elections they've declared about an hour before anyone else, so it hasn't been close.
Maybe they should earn some money telling California how it is done.
California don't make any effort to finish quickly. Their view is that once everyone knows who's going to win the state, there's no point in rushing to finish the count. The same with most of the other states. I don't agree with that way of doing things myself.
Sunderland's democratically elected council chooses to spend far more than it needs to achieve it's quirky status and coverage as first to declare. It's upto it's voters whether it's value for money vis a vis street cleaning or child protection.
Sunderland's democratically elected council chooses to spend far more than it needs to achieve it's quirky status and coverage as first to declare. It's upto it's voters whether it's value for money vis a vis street cleaning or child protection.
@AndyJS Yes, they were not only heard but they changed the course of European history. It's a bizzare thing to ask that they be heard. Digging into the article it's the usual bedwetting. Policy wonks know they've voted to cut off their nose, have realised they'll be no bregret and know how nasty it's going to get when the Vultures come home to roost. So how do you frame a conversation with angry people who aren't going away, who''ve acted like idiots but who you can't call idiots ?
I don't envy those doomed to work on behalf of these communities ( including my own here in Leaverstan )
Also worth noting Burnham repositioning just as he did in the Commons the other day.
Con 17,517 UKIP 4,486 LD 3,606 Lab 3,363 Lincs Ind 2,892 Payne 462 Loony 200
Big win for May which she needed after Richmond Park, UKIP little changed but moved up to second, LDs will be pleased with further progress and bad night for Labour falling from second to fourth. Goodnight
Con 17,517 UKIP 4,486 LD 3,606 Lab 3,363 Lincs Ind 2,892 Payne 462 Loony 200
Big win for May which she needed after Richmond Park, UKIP little changed but moved up to second, LDs will be pleased with further progress and bad night for Labour falling from second to fourth. Goodnight
I think it is a steady as she goes win. A big win would have been Tories 60%+, I think.
May and the Tories can take comfort from the result, but as UKIP failed to get voters interested (despitte the incumbent leaving due to Tory wavering) I would say that a long trailing 2nd is poor show indeed. The mainstream Tory party will probably breathe a sigh of relief as attention now turns to Labour and UKIP's at best poor performance. Lib Dems probably quite happy with a 3rd place in what was always hostile territory
Con 17,517 UKIP 4,486 LD 3,606 Lab 3,363 Lincs Ind 2,892 Payne 462 Loony 200
Big win for May which she needed after Richmond Park, UKIP little changed but moved up to second, LDs will be pleased with further progress and bad night for Labour falling from second to fourth. Goodnight
I think it is a steady as she goes win. A big win would have been Tories 60%+, I think.
The absence of a Green candidate may have helped the LibDems a bit, any idea why they did not stand? If they had I would imagine a few hundred LibDem/Lab voters may have drifted to them.
A fantastic result for the Tories and another pointer toward #Mayday. Holding vote share six and a half years into a government when one of your own MP's has quit in a huff is quite a feat. The fact the opposition vote didn't coalesce is another sign voters there aren't too angry.
I still think we're in the Brown bounce stage of the May premiership but a bounce she's been wise enough not **** up with ramping then cancelling an election. Surely the plan is to call #Mayday immediately after A50 in March meaning the **** doesn't hit the fan until after she's back with an increased m ?
The absence of a Green candidate may have helped the LibDems a bit, any idea why they did not stand? If they had I would imagine a few hundred LibDem/Lab voters may have drifted to them.
The Greens and the NHA Party backed one of the Independents, Sarah Stock , campaigning on local services.
A fantastic result for the Tories and another pointer toward #Mayday. Holding vote share six and a half years into a government when one of your own MP's has quit in a huff is quite a feat. The fact the opposition vote didn't coalesce is another sign voters there aren't too angry.
I still think we're in the Brown bounce stage of the May premiership but a bounce she's been wise enough not **** up with ramping then cancelling an election. Surely the plan is to call #Mayday immediately after A50 in March meaning the **** doesn't hit the fan until after she's back with an increased m ?
I only just realised May 4th is a Thursday! Is May a Star Wars fan, I wonder?
The absence of a Green candidate may have helped the LibDems a bit, any idea why they did not stand? If they had I would imagine a few hundred LibDem/Lab voters may have drifted to them.
The Greens haven't stood in this constituency since it was created in 1997. There can't be many seats where that is the case. Usually the Greens have put a candidate up at some time or other in most constituencies, even if it was just on one occasion.
A fantastic result for the Tories and another pointer toward #Mayday. Holding vote share six and a half years into a government when one of your own MP's has quit in a huff is quite a feat. The fact the opposition vote didn't coalesce is another sign voters there aren't too angry.
I still think we're in the Brown bounce stage of the May premiership but a bounce she's been wise enough not **** up with ramping then cancelling an election. Surely the plan is to call #Mayday immediately after A50 in March meaning the **** doesn't hit the fan until after she's back with an increased m ?
I only just realised May 4th is a Thursday! Is May a Star Wars fan, I wonder?
A fantastic result for the Tories and another pointer toward #Mayday. Holding vote share six and a half years into a government when one of your own MP's has quit in a huff is quite a feat. The fact the opposition vote didn't coalesce is another sign voters there aren't too angry.
I still think we're in the Brown bounce stage of the May premiership but a bounce she's been wise enough not **** up with ramping then cancelling an election. Surely the plan is to call #Mayday immediately after A50 in March meaning the **** doesn't hit the fan until after she's back with an increased m ?
I only just realised May 4th is a Thursday! Is May a Star Wars fan, I wonder?
The LDs were 12% behind Labour at the general election. Tonight they beat Labour by 1%. That's probably the biggest story of the night. A 6.2% swing from Lab to LD.
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"You don't get that on the BBC"
Reports seem a bit confused!
LOL.
'I'm told it's close between Labour and Lib Dems for 3rd. 100-200 votes. Labour fears of losing their deposit appear to have not materialised'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/09/northern-englands-brexit-voters-need-to-be-heard-says-thinktank?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_lincolnshire
I don't envy those doomed to work on behalf of these communities ( including my own here in Leaverstan )
Also worth noting Burnham repositioning just as he did in the Commons the other day.
UKIP second but not much improvement on 2015 share. Below 20%.
UKIP 4,486
LD 3,606
Lab 3,363
Lincs Ind 2,892
Payne 462
Loony 200
Con down about 3%
Lab down about 7%
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/806834189609877504
Sleaford & North Hykeham result:
CON: 53.5% (-2.7)
UKIP: 13.5% (-2.2)
LDEM: 11.0% (+5.3)
LAB: 10.2% (-7.0)
LIND: 8.8% (+3.6)
+3.6% - Lincs Ind
-2.2% - UKIP
-2.8% - Conservative
-7.1% - Labour
It's an astonishingly bad result for Lab. And it's not as if opposition to the Govt congregated around anyone else.
Sleaford by-election: 17,517
Newark by-election: 17,431
I still think we're in the Brown bounce stage of the May premiership but a bounce she's been wise enough not **** up with ramping then cancelling an election. Surely the plan is to call #Mayday immediately after A50 in March meaning the **** doesn't hit the fan until after she's back with an increased m ?
Only change will be if she gets blocked in the Commons - which looks unlikely.
It'll have to be a fairly Soft Brexit as Con MPs won't vote for a Hard Brexit, even with an increased majority.
In Sleaford & North Hykeham it went from 34,805 to 17,517.