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  • Bit of common sense being restored to Betfair now. Trump back in to 6.6.
  • IanB2 said:

    APOLOGIES ALL. Spoof account came up first on Twitter on search for "CNN".

    Will be more careful next time.

    On a night with lots of money at stake, very poor show.
    Err.. that's why I quickly corrected my mistake and apologised you old woman.

    We all make mistakes: OGH cost traders hundreds of millions prior to the EU ref.
    What did OGH do ?
    Tweeted a two month old poll.
    Too many tweets make a ...

    But I can't believe it 'cost traders hundreds of million'.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228
    Where's Plato?
  • IanB2 said:

    APOLOGIES ALL. Spoof account came up first on Twitter on search for "CNN".

    Will be more careful next time.

    On a night with lots of money at stake, very poor show.
    Err.. that's why I quickly corrected my mistake and apologised you old woman.

    We all make mistakes: OGH cost traders hundreds of millions prior to the EU ref.
    What did OGH do ?
    Quoted a month old poll as a new one.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2016
    From what I can tell, US exit polls are between 80% & 98% bullshit.

    The data/calls that matter are made by the AP and delivered in realtime through their API.

    Access to their api is very very expensive.

    Some of the larger newssites with big budgets will autopublish these AP calls / integrate them into their maps/ breaking news feeds etc.

    AP are (I think) the only organisation who have a significant number of people on the ground gathering actual voting data.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,114
    Jobabob said:

    Every time I go back on my Betfair app Trump's price is sliding out. Why do I recall this time in the evening on 23 June????

    Some clever young fogey got on at 15/1, I seem to recall.....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016
    Exit polls CNN National

    Whites 70
    Blacks 12
    Latinos 11
    Asian 4

    It looks like it will be very close nationally with those numbers especially with Trump hitting the same numbers as Romney with minorities and Hillary underperforming with women.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited November 2016
    Sky claiming they have exclusive (to the UK) of the early exit poll data.
  • IanB2 said:

    APOLOGIES ALL. Spoof account came up first on Twitter on search for "CNN".

    Will be more careful next time.

    On a night with lots of money at stake, very poor show.
    Err.. that's why I quickly corrected my mistake and apologised you old woman.

    We all make mistakes: OGH cost traders hundreds of millions prior to the EU ref.
    What did OGH do ?
    Tweeted a two month old poll.
    Too many tweets make a ...

    But I can't believe it 'cost traders hundreds of million'.
    There was a spike on Sterling when Mike tweeted the old poll, which was reversed within seconds of Mike retracting his tweet.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Polls are only for strippers according to Sarah Palin.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Speedy said:

    Exit polls National

    Whites 70
    Blacks 12
    Latinos 11
    Asian 4

    It looks like it will be very close nationally with those numbers especially with Trump hitting the same numbers as Romney with minorities and Hillary underperforming with women.

    If overall turnout is up this will help Trump as the its the white vote which has increased the most.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    What is turnout at ?
  • Chameleon said:
    Beating Trump on the untrustworthiness score particularly so.
  • chestnut said:

    Evening all.
    On Brexit night we had the amazing benefit of
    THE Spreadsheet.

    Is there a POTUS night equivalent??

    Andy JS posted something earlier as an indicator. Damned if I can recall the details but it looked like a 'Sunderland' indicator. Fairly sure, he's the man where the Brexit referendum details came from.
    There is this, copied from a post earlier:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rX81hzcoxmbTc_gl3qpBnBC6XgBVZebK5KdnCxW0Q4U/edit#gid=0
    Thank you - it will be "interesting" to compare the scores on the doors as they come in
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016
    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.
  • Hillary holding up on Sporting - currently 304 - 314
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,228
    Chameleon said:
    We they are good for Clinton to win but they are horrible numbers for the rest of her Presidency.

    She's just slightly less toxic than Donald.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,562
    best of luck everyone. My waters still say Clinton but not by anything like as much as her supporters are hoping for.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Obama has an approval rating over 50%, how many two term presidents have managed that ?
  • Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    Who have they polled? Just those with the surname Trump?
  • Pulpstar said:

    What is turnout at ?

    I imagine it's higher but i can't see it topping 65.99%
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    GIN1138 said:

    Chameleon said:
    We they are good for Clinton to win but they are horrible numbers for the rest of her Presidency.

    She's just slightly less toxic than Donald.
    Well yes, those are simply horrific for a start of term for a president.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Pulpstar said:

    Obama has an approval rating over 50%, how many two term presidents have managed that ?

    Bill Clinton did.....didn't help his party's candidate win though...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    Who have they polled? Just those with the surname Trump?
    Can you be both dissatisfied and angry, or is it either/or ?
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    For people obsessing over Betfair, look at how much has been matched and then how little in comparative terms it takes to move the odds.

    You are looking for something decisive, e.g. Trump comes into 5 and keeps dropping and so on. At this time the bounces look like market housekeeping.
  • Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    One big happy family.
  • Pong said:

    From what I can tell, US exit polls are between 80% & 98% bullshit.

    The data/calls that matter are made by the AP and delivered in realtime through their API.

    Access to their api is very very expensive.

    Some of the larger newssites with big budgets will autopublish these AP calls / integrate them into their maps/ breaking news feeds etc.

    AP are (I think) the only organisation who have a significant number of people on the ground gathering actual voting data.

    Sounds right, from what I have read.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    71% find Trump's treatment of women worrisome (or something along those lines). Bad for trump.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Mortimer said:

    Jobabob said:

    Every time I go back on my Betfair app Trump's price is sliding out. Why do I recall this time in the evening on 23 June????

    Some clever young fogey got on at 15/1, I seem to recall.....
    A superb bet.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016
    Speedy said:

    Exit polls CNN National

    Whites 70
    Blacks 12
    Latinos 11
    Asian 4

    It looks like it will be very close nationally with those numbers especially with Trump hitting the same numbers as Romney with minorities and Hillary underperforming with women.

    For registered voters in 2012 I've got W 64, B 12, H 16, Asian 5, Mixed or Native 2.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,833
    edited November 2016
    tpfkar said:

    best of luck everyone. My waters still say Clinton but not by anything like as much as her supporters are hoping for.

    Well the republican strategist/spokesperson on Newsnight has gone out of her way to emphasise that she isn't personally supporting Trump. And she says that despite energising lots of voters, the party is in chaos and faces a difficult aftermath win or lose.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Obama has an approval rating over 50%, how many two term presidents have managed that ?

    Easy to have good approval ratings when people take a look at who will be following.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Also from the 538 blog:
    "While exit polls are not the best at measuring the racial composition of the electorate, it does seem that minority turnout is way up in Florida. In the preliminary exit polls, 39 percent of voters were people of color. That compares to just 33 percent in 2012."

    Better news for Hillary in Florida
  • Y0kel said:

    For people obsessing over Betfair, look at how much has been matched and then how little in comparative terms it takes to move the odds.

    You are looking for something decisive, e.g. Trump comes into 5 and keeps dropping and so on. At this time the bounces look like market housekeeping.

    Trump went out to 8 very quickly.

    Shows that Betfair is notch sensitive to good news for Hillary, IMHO.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    Who have they polled? Just those with the surname Trump?
    More voters want more same or more liberal policies than more conservative.

    But I agree that the CNN exit poll is generally good for Trump.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,790
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,833
    The Dem spokesperson on Newsnight predicts Clinton will do slightly better than the latest polls, and there is an outside chance of the Senate. The Republican says she can't see how Trump can win.
  • SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    At the end of the day, the factor about Trump that bothers me most is his unpredictability. America could survive a sexist, bit of idiot. But who knows where an unpredictable president might take them, holes so deep they'd take years to recover
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,695
    Clinton wins almost all of West Coast + Mountain time zone:

    CA, OR, WA all easily.

    If Exits skew East Coast then they might understate Clinton.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,833
    Nigelb said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
    Someone who doesn't say much.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Saltire said:


    Better news for Hillary in Florida

    Yep, the Florida news alone would account for the Clinton move.
  • SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    Confirmed by the following:

    (((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago
    Exit poll demographics not looking good for a Trump...:)
  • glwglw Posts: 9,892
    Guess what's just come up on my Spotify? Battle Without Honor Or Humanity. A good description of this election.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    Fox any good ?

    On CNN at the moment, misses is on BBC - really babying the viewers through it.
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    Late night anyone?

    CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    BREAKING: A nonprofit has gone to court in North Carolina asking for polls in Durham County to be kept open another 90 minutes


  • IanB2 said:

    The Dem spokesperson on Newsnight predicts Clinton will do slightly better than the latest polls, and there is an outside chance of the Senate. The Republican says she can't see how Trump can win.

    The really smart GOP and Democrat commentators, and the ones with the real inside info, will be on the US networks. If you are doing foreign telly you are peripheral. And you are peripheral because you are not that great.

  • Confirmed.

    George W Bush and his wife didn't vote for Trump, nor did they vote for Clinton

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article113356933.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,781
    edited November 2016

    IanB2 said:

    The Dem spokesperson on Newsnight predicts Clinton will do slightly better than the latest polls, and there is an outside chance of the Senate. The Republican says she can't see how Trump can win.

    The really smart GOP and Democrat commentators, and the ones with the real inside info, will be on the US networks. If you are doing foreign telly you are peripheral. And you are peripheral because you are not that great.

    You would hope so, but the number of numpties I have seen as talking heads on CNN makes me wonder!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436
    Trump campaign in ARSE FOP denial mode.

    https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/796117873995423744
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436
    edited November 2016

    Confirmed.

    George W Bush and his wife didn't vote for Trump, nor did they vote for Clinton

    http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article113356933.html

    Did they write in Jeb!?
  • Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Obama has an approval rating over 50%, how many two term presidents have managed that ?

    Bill Clinton did.....didn't help his party's candidate win though...
    He did get the popular vote!
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Far too may people peddling their line - and it isn't even the UK.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,994
    OUT said:

    Late night anyone?

    CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics 1m1 minute ago
    BREAKING: A nonprofit has gone to court in North Carolina asking for polls in Durham County to be kept open another 90 minutes


    Delays caused by hipsters trying to wheel their bikes into the polling stations?
  • OUTOUT Posts: 569
    5
  • If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Flordia leaning Trump according to Sky.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Saltire said:

    Also from the 538 blog:
    "While exit polls are not the best at measuring the racial composition of the electorate, it does seem that minority turnout is way up in Florida. In the preliminary exit polls, 39 percent of voters were people of color. That compares to just 33 percent in 2012."

    Better news for Hillary in Florida

    The much maligned Votecastr has Hillary carrying FL by 3pts with 94% of expected votes counted.

    http://votecastr.us/widgets/#/states/fl
  • If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...

    I did manage to pick up a shovel that was on half price on Amazon though!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Chameleon said:

    Flordia leaning Trump according to Sky.

    Lets see.
  • IanB2 said:

    The Dem spokesperson on Newsnight predicts Clinton will do slightly better than the latest polls, and there is an outside chance of the Senate. The Republican says she can't see how Trump can win.

    The really smart GOP and Democrat commentators, and the ones with the real inside info, will be on the US networks. If you are doing foreign telly you are peripheral. And you are peripheral because you are not that great.

    You would hope so, but the number of numpties I have seen as talking heads on CNN makes me wonder!

    If they are on foreign telly, though, they are even worse.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...

    I'm on to win about £17 at ~ 1-70 in Clifornia and Maryland :D
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    Whoever made that bet either has a lot of inside info, or is just a muppet, plain and simple.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,833
    SeanT said:

    Nigelb said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
    Stop migration, stop Muslim migration, pro-protectionism, stop Mexicans coming in, give more help to poor white America, end American interventions, be nativist, fuck PC. Kill rioters.

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    It occurs to me the right in the West is beginning to counter attack in the culture wars. Where they had all but ceded defeat for sixty years.
    The 30s and 40s cast a long shadow.
  • SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    That's my reading, but on purely racial lines this will continue to lose because it will be even harder in 2020.

    Immigration control needs to co-opt from Hispanics and Black Americans as well.

    Leave did this relatively well in the West Midlands.
  • So two sets of contradicting information on Florida then....
  • SeanT said:

    Nigelb said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
    Stop migration, stop Muslim migration, pro-protectionism, stop Mexicans coming in, give more help to poor white America, end American interventions, be nativist, fuck PC. Kill rioters.

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    It occurs to me the right in the West is beginning to counter attack in the culture wars. Where they had all but ceded defeat for sixty years.
    Quite so.

    I felt there had been no change in the culture wars under Cameron to Blair.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    How is Fox ?

    CNN good analysis so far I think
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    CNN exit poll - One armed lesbians in Minnesota breaking for Sanders !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,575
    edited November 2016
    Polls should just be about to close in parts of Indiana and Kentucky
  • Pulpstar said:

    If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...

    I'm on to win about £17 at ~ 1-70 in Clifornia and Maryland :D
    I tipped 1.05 in California, not the longest odds and not one I took up myself :P
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulpstar said:

    How is Fox ?

    CNN good analysis so far I think

    I realised I don't actually have Fox News – gone with CNN. Agree that it's pretty good so far.
  • Trump back under 6
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436
    SeanT said:

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    I'm not sure about that. Part of the reason Trump was able to turn the tables on the initial expected PC attacks was because of the lustre of success and his brash personality. A regular guy would get steamrollered by the likes of Clinton, and a Farage would do even worse.

    I agree on the point about the culture wars.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    edited November 2016
    OK - presuming 1st polls now closed in Kentucky/ Indiana. (some still open)

    Votecastr funny - Clinton leads 3.0 3.0 3.0 4.0

    You don't get that statistically if rounding to 1dp.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058

    Pulpstar said:

    If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...

    I'm on to win about £17 at ~ 1-70 in Clifornia and Maryland :D
    I tipped 1.05 in California, not the longest odds and not one I took up myself :P
    That is a great bet
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,240
    SeanT said:

    Nigelb said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
    Stop migration, stop Muslim migration, pro-protectionism, stop Mexicans coming in, give more help to poor white America, end American interventions, be nativist, fuck PC. Kill rioters.

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    It occurs to me the right in the West is beginning to counter attack in the culture wars. Where they had all but ceded defeat for sixty years.
    A candidate like Farage would win this.
  • You can get 6.2 on a Republican win but only 6.0 on Trump winning.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Fox exit poll national.

    Commander in chief

    Hillary 49
    Trump 46

    Economy

    Trump 48
    Hillary 46
  • Chameleon said:

    Whoever made that bet either has a lot of inside info, or is just a muppet, plain and simple.
    ..... or just simply a punter with a great deal of dough.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,436
    Speedy said:

    Fox exit poll national.

    Commander in chief

    Hillary 49
    Trump 46

    Economy

    Trump 48
    Hillary 46

    On a knife edge but that is not bad for Trump at all.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    weejonnie said:

    OK - presuming 1st polls now closed in Kentucky/ Indiana. (some still open)

    Indeed parts of Indiana closes at 6pm EST.
  • Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Nigelb said:

    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:

    More CNN national exit polls.

    Continue Obama's policies 29
    More conservative 46
    More liberal 18

    Dissatisfied with government 46
    Angry 23

    CNN is now saying it will be a very long night and a very competitive race.

    That's very Trump-y.

    Basically voters want Trump policies, minus the bullying misogyny and craziness. A sensible Trump would romp home, in this election. White America is fighting back.
    What on earth is a sensible Trump ?
    Stop migration, stop Muslim migration, pro-protectionism, stop Mexicans coming in, give more help to poor white America, end American interventions, be nativist, fuck PC. Kill rioters.

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    It occurs to me the right in the West is beginning to counter attack in the culture wars. Where they had all but ceded defeat for sixty years.
    A candidate like Farage would win this.
    Or old Enoch
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,058
    £5 on Trump in Indiana at 1.02 :D
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jobabob said:

    Saltire said:

    Also from the 538 blog:
    "While exit polls are not the best at measuring the racial composition of the electorate, it does seem that minority turnout is way up in Florida. In the preliminary exit polls, 39 percent of voters were people of color. That compares to just 33 percent in 2012."

    Better news for Hillary in Florida

    The much maligned Votecastr has Hillary carrying FL by 3pts with 94% of expected votes counted.

    http://votecastr.us/widgets/#/states/fl
    It seems to have all 7 of its swing states going Clinton, inc Ohio and Iowa, albeit narrowly.
  • SeanT said:

    It's Farage for Yanks, and if it was coming from a plausible married Reagany guy with folksy charm - rather than a loon - it would win

    I'm not sure about that. Part of the reason Trump was able to turn the tables on the initial expected PC attacks was because of the lustre of success and his brash personality. A regular guy would get steamrollered by the likes of Clinton, and a Farage would do even worse.

    I agree on the point about the culture wars.

    What would change if the right were winning the culture wars?

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,454
    CNN - Democrats very worried about North Carolina and Ohio.... Think they have MIchigan
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2016

    Speedy said:

    Fox exit poll national.

    Commander in chief

    Hillary 49
    Trump 46

    Economy

    Trump 48
    Hillary 46

    On a knife edge but that is not bad for Trump at all.
    I think the national exit poll, looking also at the racial composition, should be 47-47, a tie.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    CNN - Clinton camp claims NC will be the closest state, but MI and FL are okay.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Pulpstar said:

    £5 on Trump in Indiana at 1.02 :D

    Hehe, really sticking your neck out there.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Clinton camp worried about North Carolina, confident about Florida & Michigan - CNN
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If you like pennies, you can get 1% in New York and New Jersey.

    Nothing suggests an atom bomb of an election to me...

    I'm on to win about £17 at ~ 1-70 in Clifornia and Maryland :D
    I tipped 1.05 in California, not the longest odds and not one I took up myself :P
    That is a great bet
    It was about 3 or 4 months ago, wasn't prepared to tie it up
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Chameleon said:

    Whoever made that bet either has a lot of inside info, or is just a muppet, plain and simple.
    ..... or just simply a punter with a great deal of dough.
    You don't get to the point where you have £120k to bet by doing those sorts of bets.
  • How's that Jill Stein looking?!
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    CNN - Trump camp data not showing 270+ EVs
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