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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282

    DavidL said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    I am still withholding judgment on the new regime but I agree with other posters who have said so far they have played this extremely well. Basically, their response to threats of a hard Brexit from the EU has been, "whatever, we have bigger fish to fry."

    This may or may not be true but as a negotiating position it is hard to fault and improves our chances of getting what we want. Your article is one on many indications that EU members are starting to think this through with an eye to their own interests rather than protecting some absurd concept of EU supremacy.
    I'm still making my mind up about Theresa May but, this week, I have been very impressed with her.
    Some accelerated capital investment at long last. Just hope they actually do it !

    Meanwhile Osborne's family company say they will benefit from Brexit :-)
    Ha!
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    SeanT said:

    Mr. T, nowhere near as well-travelled as most people, let along a travel reporter, but I had baby snakes (battered). They were rather nice.

    Also had ox and sheep tongue. One was ok, shade rubbery, the other was displeasing as I could feel its tongue bumps on my own.

    The weirdest thing was the duck embryo. It's a fertilised duck egg, just at the point of hatching - then they boil it. So you get the egginess but you are also crunching into a baby duck - brains, beaks, feathers, the works - but all soft and embryonic.

    They call it balut.

    It was actually very very tasty - meat and egg - but the concept and spectacle is so disgusting I nearly gagged

    http://tinyurl.com/qblgz23
    Ugh! They sell those down the road from me at the beach, cant say I have ever been the slightest inclined to try it, but its considered a delicacy here by traditionalists (with which I am surrounded living as I do deep in the boonies). This country is full of wierd foods I have no intention of trying, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinuguan for example, as well as many which are delightful.
    A Filipina colleague has been threatening me with balut, it's apparently fairly easily obtainable in London.
    Probably at the Manila Supermarket in Earl's Court, has a vast supply of filipino and other asian foods.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Alistair said:

    DavidL said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    I am still withholding judgment on the new regime but I agree with other posters who have said so far they have played this extremely well. Basically, their response to threats of a hard Brexit from the EU has been, "whatever, we have bigger fish to fry."

    This may or may not be true but as a negotiating position it is hard to fault and improves our chances of getting what we want. Your article is one on many indications that EU members are starting to think this through with an eye to their own interests rather than protecting some absurd concept of EU supremacy.
    I'm still making my mind up about Theresa May but, this week, I have been very impressed with her.
    This week I'm puzzled as to why, if she is so enthused with a sovereign independent country, she campaigned to remain a subservient lapdog of the EU.
    It's a good question.

    A notable difference for me is that Theresa May is clearly proud to be a Conservative and actually likes her own party.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    I am still withholding judgment on the new regime but I agree with other posters who have said so far they have played this extremely well. Basically, their response to threats of a hard Brexit from the EU has been, "whatever, we have bigger fish to fry."

    This may or may not be true but as a negotiating position it is hard to fault and improves our chances of getting what we want. Your article is one on many indications that EU members are starting to think this through with an eye to their own interests rather than protecting some absurd concept of EU supremacy.
    I'm giving Mrs May the benefit of the doubt atm.

    Ultimately the negotiation will come down to if the EU27 decide Juncker is a prat acting in his own interests and take control of the negotiations themselves.

    Agreed. And they will. Parents can only let the children be noisy for so long before order has to be restored.
    That of course cant happen until the French and German elections are out of the way. And currently anything could happen. France is in a mess and Merkel is trying to destroy her own party.
    Merkel is almost certainly toast. There is very little chance of her standing again. France, who knows? As I have said several times the real key is going to be finding anyone who can say yes. They may not exist once that matriarchy of Merkel comes to an end.
    Is there any evidence Merkel is going to stand down?
    On the contrary the general view was that her mea culpa was a signal that she intends to run again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    I am still withholding judgment on the new regime but I agree with other posters who have said so far they have played this extremely well. Basically, their response to threats of a hard Brexit from the EU has been, "whatever, we have bigger fish to fry."

    This may or may not be true but as a negotiating position it is hard to fault and improves our chances of getting what we want. Your article is one on many indications that EU members are starting to think this through with an eye to their own interests rather than protecting some absurd concept of EU supremacy.
    I'm giving Mrs May the benefit of the doubt atm.

    Ultimately the negotiation will come down to if the EU27 decide Juncker is a prat acting in his own interests and take control of the negotiations themselves.

    Agreed. And they will. Parents can only let the children be noisy for so long before order has to be restored.
    That of course cant happen until the French and German elections are out of the way. And currently anything could happen. France is in a mess and Merkel is trying to destroy her own party.
    Merkel is almost certainly toast. There is very little chance of her standing again. France, who knows? As I have said several times the real key is going to be finding anyone who can say yes. They may not exist once that matriarchy of Merkel comes to an end.
    Merkel should have stood down after 10 years, like Tony Blair did.
  • There is a world of difference between having $ 2,80 as a virility symbol and accepting that the £ sterling is a less desirable currency to hold than the Bangladesh Taka , Iranian Rial and Guatemalan Quetzel to give just 3 examples .

    Perhaps you'd like to take some Takas, Rials and Quetzels with you next time you go shopping and see if anyone would prefer them to Sterling ?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,270

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    Nice to see someone explain that many reasons are not economic no matter how much the French and Germans want our finance industry - London's better regulations win..
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Frankfurter Allgemeine warning Brexit will hurt EU more than UK.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/harter-brexit-fuer-die-eu-14466222.html

    I am still withholding judgment on the new regime but I agree with other posters who have said so far they have played this extremely well. Basically, their response to threats of a hard Brexit from the EU has been, "whatever, we have bigger fish to fry."

    This may or may not be true but as a negotiating position it is hard to fault and improves our chances of getting what we want. Your article is one on many indications that EU members are starting to think this through with an eye to their own interests rather than protecting some absurd concept of EU supremacy.
    I'm giving Mrs May the benefit of the doubt atm.

    Ultimately the negotiation will come down to if the EU27 decide Juncker is a prat acting in his own interests and take control of the negotiations themselves.

    Agreed. And they will. Parents can only let the children be noisy for so long before order has to be restored.
    That of course cant happen until the French and German elections are out of the way. And currently anything could happen. France is in a mess and Merkel is trying to destroy her own party.
    Merkel is almost certainly toast. There is very little chance of her standing again. France, who knows? As I have said several times the real key is going to be finding anyone who can say yes. They may not exist once that matriarchy of Merkel comes to an end.
    Is there any evidence Merkel is going to stand down?
    She has not committed herself and she is leaving it late. I think she has burnt too many bridges with her refugee policies and will decide she does not want to fight as hard as she would have to to win. She has had a very good run.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    There were some polls earlier in the campaign making Clinton surprisingly competitive in Texas. The theory is that a combination of the Latino vote swinging more to the Democrats, and big cities' continued trend to the Left, could tip into the Clinton column if she won a big victory nationwide.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
  • Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    Train model, of course! :lol:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Danny565 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    There were some polls earlier in the campaign making Clinton surprisingly competitive in Texas. The theory is that a combination of the Latino vote swinging more to the Democrats, and big cities' continued trend to the Left, could tip into the Clinton column if she won a big victory nationwide.
    Texas goes Clinton, then its a landslide.

    Personally, I think generally it is over and Trump is history. A black swan is all that can save him now.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
    These games get more realistic every year.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    Last poll was Trump 6 points ahead. Not too far out.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
    Not a game or a genre of games that I have played so I couldn't comment directly. However, bad language and computer games, in my experience, go together as do port and nuts. Best to keep the ladies out of earshot in both cases.
  • A couple of nice graphs in this BBC article:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37549685

    One shows the FTSE100 during 2016 - can you spot the small downwards blip which Remainers were gloating over at the end of June ? Or the far larger increase since then ?

    The other shows the pound / dollar exchange rate from 1980 onwards - there was a 60% fall in sterling's value between 1981 and 1985 and a 35% fall during 2009.

    Exchange rates go up and they go down.

    If you want to understand why a lower exchange rate is needed for the UK economy then look at this table of the UK's trade balance:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/timeseries/ikbj/ukea

    75 consecutive quarters of trade deficits.

    The last time the UK had a trade surplus was in 1997q3 - I wonder if something happened in 1997 which caused the UK to shift to a country which continually lives beyond its means.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
    2 yeara ago I looked at Obama's victory and how narrow it was in various states and could not see anything other than a Republican win this year.

    Events.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
    Whatever her comments today on UK companies 'operating within' the single market I think her message from Sunday was very clear: we will be leaving the single market and customs union.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,610
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
    2 yeara ago I looked at Obama's victory and how narrow it was in various states and could not see anything other than a Republican win this year.

    Events.
    "Candidate", surely?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
    2 yeara ago I looked at Obama's victory and how narrow it was in various states and could not see anything other than a Republican win this year.

    Events.
    Yet if the Democrats had persuaded Joe Biden, Tim Kaine or even Elizabeth Warren to stand, they'd be looking at a landslide right now.

    Ditto from the Republican side of course, if they'd started with five or six candidates, rather than let a huge field be dominated by one brash self-aggrandising loudmouth...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,037
    Hitman is the best video game of 2016.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Hitman is the best video game of 2016.

    But one of the worst marketed / business strategy.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    He had a wonderful line about the Tories wanting the government to work for everybody and Labour wanting everybody to work for the government...
  • Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    Last poll was Trump 6 points ahead. Not too far out.
    I have lost all interest in the Presidential election. It is all over for Trump and we are going to have another Clinton in the White House but if I was a betting person, which I am not, I do not think she will see out her term, mainly due to her health

    I have no intention of watching the remaining debates live . At my age sleep is much more fulfilling
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    edited October 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Hitman is the best video game of 2016.

    Does it feature Olga Kurylenko?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
    Whatever her comments today on UK companies 'operating within' the single market I think her message from Sunday was very clear: we will be leaving the single market and customs union.
    "operating with" is a #WeaselWord if she meant "member of" she would have said it. For my money "operating with" is a weaselly way of saying "access to", in the same way as the US or India have "access to" the Single Market.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Indigo said:

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
    Whatever her comments today on UK companies 'operating within' the single market I think her message from Sunday was very clear: we will be leaving the single market and customs union.
    "operating with" is a #WeaselWord if she meant "member of" she would have said it. For my money "operating with" is a weaselly way of saying "access to", in the same way as the US or India have "access to" the Single Market.
    Did she say with or within?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    Indigo said:

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
    Whatever her comments today on UK companies 'operating within' the single market I think her message from Sunday was very clear: we will be leaving the single market and customs union.
    "operating with" is a #WeaselWord if she meant "member of" she would have said it. For my money "operating with" is a weaselly way of saying "access to", in the same way as the US or India have "access to" the Single Market.
    It's clearly a weaselly way of saying nothing.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    A couple of nice graphs in this BBC article:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37549685

    One shows the FTSE100 during 2016 - can you spot the small downwards blip which Remainers were gloating over at the end of June ? Or the far larger increase since then ?

    The other shows the pound / dollar exchange rate from 1980 onwards - there was a 60% fall in sterling's value between 1981 and 1985 and a 35% fall during 2009.

    Exchange rates go up and they go down.

    If you want to understand why a lower exchange rate is needed for the UK economy then look at this table of the UK's trade balance:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/timeseries/ikbj/ukea

    75 consecutive quarters of trade deficits.

    The last time the UK had a trade surplus was in 1997q3 - I wonder if something happened in 1997 which caused the UK to shift to a country which continually lives beyond its means.

    Financial data are used here as a drunk uses a lamppost, for support rather than illumination (I am generalising, not sniping at you). In that spirit, if you look at this graph http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=5Y with 5 or 10 years on the x axis, what we seem to be seeing is a continuation of a clear trend of £ dropping against $ which began in July 2014.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
    Do you go to football matches?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    He had a wonderful line about the Tories wanting the government to work for everybody and Labour wanting everybody to work for the government...
    That's a good line. Wait for it to be repeated ad nauseam in the run up to the next election.
  • Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
    2 yeara ago I looked at Obama's victory and how narrow it was in various states and could not see anything other than a Republican win this year.

    Events.
    Yet if the Democrats had persuaded Joe Biden, Tim Kaine or even Elizabeth Warren to stand, they'd be looking at a landslide right now.

    Ditto from the Republican side of course, if they'd started with five or six candidates, rather than let a huge field be dominated by one brash self-aggrandising loudmouth...
    Or if the Republicans had got someone 'real world' to advocate the anti-establishment meme without letting Trump highjack it.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
    I'd have voted for him in 2012.

    And four years on, both parties managed to find a worse candidate!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
  • Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    Did anyone launch an airstrike to set him on fire ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited October 2016

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    It a reboot of Hitman. It is very good, but has been marketed terribly and they went for this episodic release strategy that has gone down like a bucket of cold sick.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    and Wisconsin,
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    and Wisconsin,
    been a few from NC with clinton ahead. need more from WI for sure
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509

    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    While it'll be a Trump victory, the large number of Hispanics I'm the state mean he'll probably underperform Romney.
    2 yeara ago I looked at Obama's victory and how narrow it was in various states and could not see anything other than a Republican win this year.

    Events.
    Yet if the Democrats had persuaded Joe Biden, Tim Kaine or even Elizabeth Warren to stand, they'd be looking at a landslide right now.

    Ditto from the Republican side of course, if they'd started with five or six candidates, rather than let a huge field be dominated by one brash self-aggrandising loudmouth...
    Or if the Republicans had got someone 'real world' to advocate the anti-establishment meme without letting Trump highjack it.
    I never did understand why Paul Ryan didn't stand, but the huge field of primary candidates helped no-one except the Donald. Trump might have been okay if he'd had his phone confiscated six months ago, but he's probably dug himself one hole too many by now.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    But the rest, without exception, have been utterly execrable. These are Cabinet members for pity's sake but the fourth form debating society would put them to shame.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    Last poll was Trump 6 points ahead. Not too far out.
    depends on how many hispanics come out. i suspect a new yorker like trump isnt popular in texas
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    The Clinton campaign says the number of Hispanic voters in FL requesting vote-by-mail ballots is up 73% compared to '12
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,365

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    why not combine them and say you were lying pissed in a ditch in Co Armagh
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2016
    edit
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    It a reboot of Hitman. It is very good, but has been marketed terribly and they went for this episodic release strategy that has gone down like a bucket of cold sick.
    Thank you, Mr. Urquhart. The marketing must indeed have been dreadful for the very existence of the new game passed by me and my son, and he a great fan of the series (I was never that fussed about it).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
    You and me both. Better than the Alien vs Predator contest provided by the two main parties.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited October 2016

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Good to see May has seen sense on Brexit.

    Remaining in the single market is key and to be honest for a while there I had assumed she'd been brainwashed by Fox and that other clown, David Davis.

    Her speech suggests not. Brexit is dead. Long live Lino - Leave in name only.

    I don't think that's at all consistent with what Theresa May said on Sunday.

    I'm talking about her comments today.
    Whatever her comments today on UK companies 'operating within' the single market I think her message from Sunday was very clear: we will be leaving the single market and customs union.
    Ultimately I think you are right. But we will not get there until we have ratified a FTA which makes it worth our while - 7 years' work minimum. I think transitional arrangements are going to be key, and here I can see EEA as a possibility. Once A50 is served, two years on there is the edge of a cliff over which lies a WTO crash landing if no other agreement is in place.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @julian_glover: Somewhere in the Hyatt hotel someone's adding a line to a speech: 'this does not mean, of course, that the pound here in Britain...'
  • AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
    I'd have voted for him in 2012.

    And four years on, both parties managed to find a worse candidate!
    Indeed.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,243
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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    End of, eh?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    JohnO said:

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    But the rest, without exception, have been utterly execrable. These are Cabinet members for pity's sake but the fourth form debating society would put them to shame.
    You been following them all, John?

    Are you in attendance or watching from home?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    End of, eh?
    Yup, you’re right. I’m not a fan!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    why not combine them and say you were lying pissed in a ditch in Co Armagh
    Never drank when I was out there, Mr. Brooke. It was all a bit too fraught as I am sure you will remember. Went back as a civil servant in the 1990s and got completely and joyfully stoutious though.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,846
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
    You and me both. Better than the Alien vs Predator contest provided by the two main parties.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=gary+johnson+tongue+out&&view=detail&mid=9C97BF09F73778A5ADD79C97BF09F73778A5ADD7&FORM=VRDGAR
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    edited October 2016

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    why not combine them and say you were lying pissed in a ditch in Co Armagh
    Never drank when I was out there, Mr. Brooke. It was all a bit too fraught as I am sure you will remember. Went back as a civil servant in the 1990s and got completely and joyfully stoutious though.
    Very hospitable people, the Irish. Recall being there on holiday in then 70’s and being told I was a guest, no way could I buy a drink for the group. There was only me and a dozen of them.

    My host then sang “My little Armalite” as his contribution to the evening’s entertaintment. As an occasional Hammer I sang “I’m for ever blowing bubbles”!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    Bless my soul, Mr. Cole. That is to be very candid to the point of rudeness. Not at all what one would expect from a gentleman, especially one richer in years.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,401
    edited October 2016

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    Bless my soul, Mr. Cole. That is to be very candid to the point of rudeness. Not at all what one would expect from a gentleman, especially one richer in years.
    It’s surprising what the evening’s half-bottle of Rioja can make one do.
    I’m normally quite relaxed about politicians excesses, but Mr J really does annoy me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,755

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
    Do you go to football matches?
    Yes. If you count Scottish football.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited October 2016

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    It a reboot of Hitman. It is very good, but has been marketed terribly and they went for this episodic release strategy that has gone down like a bucket of cold sick.
    Thank you, Mr. Urquhart. The marketing must indeed have been dreadful for the very existence of the new game passed by me and my son, and he a great fan of the series (I was never that fussed about it).
    When all the episodes are out, I highly recommend suggesting your son picks it up (It will also be probably dirt cheap by then).

    They also have this other great idea, but terrible strategy. They have these "elusive" target missions, where a new character will appear in the world for your hitman to try and kill. However, they only appear for a day or two and if you are killed yourself you can not replay that mission. So if you miss the real world window to try the mission or screw up it disappears from the servers never to be seen again.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,696
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Of course, if Hannibal were conducting negotiations he would have led an army of men, horses and elephants through the Channel Tunnel, launching a surprise attack and claiming the north coast of France.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. L, some parents are bloody woeful. Whilst I'm sure you're right about most, a few will just let their kids do as they please.

    My 13 year old is using highly inappropriate language on his X-box with one of his pals at the moment. No one is perfect.
    Inappropriate language, Mr. L? As a long term gamer I can conceive that one may use any language one may choose and that may include such ripe expressions that one's mother may not wish to hear. However foul the words used I doubt that they are inappropriate.
    Fifa 17 seems to require a truly excessive number of expletives.
    Do you go to football matches?
    Yes. If you count Scottish football.
    They play football above Hadrian's wall? Who knew!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @j9dob: 'Hard' Brexit & 'soft' Brexit were coined by people who didn't like result. So-called soft Brexit isn't Brexit, says @isaby @WeAreBrightBlue
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I see that in the space of 24hrs PB has come around in agreement with my longterm observation that Trump's chances of victory are less than 10%.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited October 2016

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    Bless my soul, Mr. Cole. That is to be very candid to the point of rudeness. Not at all what one would expect from a gentleman, especially one richer in years.
    Then again some/one of us agree/s with him.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    Speedy said:

    I see that in the space of 24hrs PB has come around in agreement with my longterm observation that Trump's chances of victory are less than 10%.

    Really?

    I'd guesstimate a 20-25% chance. Not far off betfair.

    If there's consensus of ~10%, then I'll take 9/1 if anyone's offering....
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sandpit said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Alistair said:

    nunu said:

    619 said:

    oof

    New Monmouth poll of likely voters in Pennsylvania:

    Clinton 50
    Trump 40
    Johnson 5
    Stein 2

    https://t.co/XKv6dl7t9B

    when are the next batch of state polls coming.
    We need more polls from North Carolina and Ohio.
    We need polling in Texas to see how blue it is good to go. I say Hillary +4.
    Are you kidding? Texas will be an easy victory for Trump.
    Yes I am kidding. Trumpers are super easy to wind up and I was fishing.
    I'd probably vote for Johnson if I were a US voter.
    You and me both. Better than the Alien vs Predator contest provided by the two main parties.
    I would probably abstain if I where in that situation.
    It's one of those elections that it's not worth to vote, because everyone is crap.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pong said:

    Speedy said:

    I see that in the space of 24hrs PB has come around in agreement with my longterm observation that Trump's chances of victory are less than 10%.

    Really?

    I'd guesstimate a 20-25% chance. Not far off betfair.

    If there's consensus of ~10%, then I'll take 9/1 if anyone's offering....
    If Trump wins this presidential election I'll eat my........cigars (eating hats is bad luck).
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    Bless my soul, Mr. Cole. That is to be very candid to the point of rudeness. Not at all what one would expect from a gentleman, especially one richer in years.
    It’s surprising what the evening’s half-bottle of Rioja can make one do.
    I’m normally quite relaxed about politicians excesses, but Mr J really does annoy me.
    Oh, I know what you mean and I can get quite cross myself sometimes, even without an evening's libations. Though these days I find my myself getting more irritated by the people commenting on politicians' idiocies than than the politicians themselves.

    Of course, the most annoying people of all are those who open 1NT with 15 points having previously agreed a weak no trump opening. There ought to be a circle of Hell reserved for such fools.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,922
    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge

    :o

    Enter Farage? :D
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    619 said:

    The Clinton campaign says the number of Hispanic voters in FL requesting vote-by-mail ballots is up 73% compared to '12

    Taniel ‏@Taniel 2h2 hours ago

    Taniel Retweeted Liz Goodwin

    Caution: Post-2012, FL implemented an automatic absentee program for millions, so hard to make a fair comparison.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:
    When I was 30 I was in the middle (*) of walking 6,200 miles around the coast.

    I think you had more fun ... :)

    (*) Spent the birthday in Cardigan, at the end of the Pembrokeshire Coast Path.
    When I was 30 I spent the night doing a model.

    In the office.

    A financial model.

    Of course. What did you think I meant?
    My 30th birthday party was a 1960s themed event (I am in my 50s now). A good friend came as the Torrey Canyon oil spill, dressed head to foot in black plastic bin liners. Inventive.
    I cannot actually remember what I was doing on my 30th birthday, which probably means I spent it lying in a ditch in County Armagh or was completely pissed in and/or around Wigmore Street.

    @rcs1000, Hitman is surely a much older game (coal is currently generating a tad more than 10% of electricity by the way)
    It a reboot of Hitman. It is very good, but has been marketed terribly and they went for this episodic release strategy that has gone down like a bucket of cold sick.
    Thank you, Mr. Urquhart. The marketing must indeed have been dreadful for the very existence of the new game passed by me and my son, and he a great fan of the series (I was never that fussed about it).
    When all the episodes are out, I highly recommend suggesting your son picks it up (It will also be probably dirt cheap by then).

    They also have this other great idea, but terrible strategy. They have these "elusive" target missions, where a new character will appear in the world for your hitman to try and kill. However, they only appear for a day or two and if you are killed yourself you can not replay that mission. So if you miss the real world window to try the mission or screw up it disappears from the servers never to be seen again.
    Thanks, I'll pass your remarks on to Himself. I have to say that the idea of dynamic missions sounds rather good. Too much for me, but for a youngster with time a rather good come with me game.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge

    Why?

    She is doing ok, UKIP is at 13-16% in the polls as usual.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: BREAKING: Senior UKIP source says Diane James has resigned as leader. Sounds like chaos. No one will confirm officially.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,813
    edited October 2016



    Thanks, I'll pass your remarks on to Himself. I have to say that the idea of dynamic missions sounds rather good. Too much for me, but for a youngster with time a rather good come with me game.

    Well this is what was so stupid. They put all that effort into crafting these mission, but they were only available for 1-2 days. Well most normal people have to work, have family etc etc etc, so can't guarantee that on 9pm on a Tuesday they will definitely be free to try and carry out a hit on the pope during a visit to Italy*.

    * NSA / GCHQ triggered by this, its in THE GAME...THE...GAME...I have no interest in the pope in real life.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @MrHarryCole: BREAKING: Senior UKIP source says Diane James has resigned as leader. Sounds like chaos. No one will confirm officially.

    This was just 8 hours ago, what happened ?
    https://twitter.com/DianeJamesMEP/status/783264520097632256
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    Speedy said:

    I see that in the space of 24hrs PB has come around in agreement with my longterm observation that Trump's chances of victory are less than 10%.

    I am sticking to Hillary by less than 1% with Trump+Johnson well above her margin of victory . The Benghazi debates and the aftershock in Sunday's debate will have an impact (tonight is also the VP debate, though that normally makes little difference)
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge

    Bollocks.

    Betfair doesn't have a UKIP leader exit date market.

    And she isn't even listed on the next PM market.

    Boo
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,509
    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge

    Carswell on a train to Birmingham tomorrow morning?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    It's a personal view, and somewhat overshadowed by Theresa May's, but I think the speech Boris Johnson gave on Sunday was the best I've heard yet.

    Fur coat and no knickers comes to mind. Bojo is probably one of the most dangerous, and dishonest, people in public life today.
    I couldn't disagree more.

    He gave a very powerful speech about liberal democracy being in retreat, that its eventual triumph worldwide is very far from inevitable and that it is the role of a global Britain to fight and advocate for it.

    I'd recommend that everyone watch it.
    He’s a chancer and a liar, who is only interested in advancing himself.
    Bless my soul, Mr. Cole. That is to be very candid to the point of rudeness. Not at all what one would expect from a gentleman, especially one richer in years.
    It’s surprising what the evening’s half-bottle of Rioja can make one do.
    I’m normally quite relaxed about politicians excesses, but Mr J really does annoy me.
    Oh, I know what you mean and I can get quite cross myself sometimes, even without an evening's libations. Though these days I find my myself getting more irritated by the people commenting on politicians' idiocies than than the politicians themselves.

    Of course, the most annoying people of all are those who open 1NT with 15 points having previously agreed a weak no trump opening. There ought to be a circle of Hell reserved for such fools.
    You still use WNT? I much prefer Sliding Gerber or Blackwood
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    Speedy said:

    Scott_P said:

    @johnestevens: Hearing rumours Ukip leader Diane James has QUIT after just 18 days in charge

    Why?

    She is doing ok, UKIP is at 13-16% in the polls as usual.
    It was discovered her name wasn't Nigel Farage.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    It's going to be difficult to top 2016.
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