Gove is surely not seriously campaigning for the leadership. He just wants to make sure he gets a big office of state when May takes over. Chancellor will be very tricky for him given the promises that he has previously made about extra public spending and no tax increases.
The £100 million more a week on the NHS by 2020 is, of course, very different to £350 million extra a week. I imagine that we are already projected to spend something like £100 million more on the NHS than we are now. "Extra" would be on top of that.
The NHS spends £115bn/year. £100m/week is £5.2bn over four years. So, really, he's promising 1.2% annual rises to the NHS budget. Which might very well be less than inflation.
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 24s24 seconds ago Is it me, or is launching your latest campaign with an admission you lied your arse off in your last campaign, not the best strategy.
Which is why the Tories would be mad to elect a LEAVEr as leader 24/7 365/year until BREXIT it will be "but you promised X, not 30% of X" to take a random example...
Gove can't be leader / PM....he has the unique ability to go into a room where everybody agrees with his position and by the time he leaves people have changed their mind. He just has that ability to rub people up the wrong way without even trying.
There she stood in the doorway; I heard the division bell And I was thinking to myself, "This could be Heaven or this could be Hell" Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way There were voices down the corridor, I thought I heard them say...
Welcome to the Hotel Corbynista Such a lonely place (Such a lonely place) Such a tragic waste Plenty of room at the Hotel Corbynista Any time of year (Any time of year) You can find it here
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
Burying the admission that the targets were always bogus and aimed only at embarrassing Labour during the election?
Gove as ever a true radical but he needed Boris as avuncular frontman to work. Too late now
Yes, he was right in his previous self assessment. Absolutely needs to be in the Cabinet, has done great work at education and justice but I don't think he's the right personality for the top job.
The NHS spends £115bn/year. £100m/week is £5.2bn over four years. So, really, he's promising 1.2% annual rises to the NHS budget. Which might very well be less than inflation.
Exactly. It's a con to hide a lie.
I did point this out a while back.
There was a big incentive for a leadership candidate (leave or remain) to go for the full £350m a week.
Stretching the timescale out a bit, hoping for a bit of inflation - and some creative fuzzing of the line between the NHS/social care bill - it's probably doable.
Problem is people still wouldn't see much tangible improvement in their actual experience of the NHS.
Czech republic "Czech President Milos Zeman has called for the Czech Republic to hold a referendum on its membership of the European Union and NATO following Britain's shock vote to leave the EU, though he said he backed his country staying in both organisations.
Zeman has no power to call a referendum, which would require a constitutional amendment. But he is an influential leader in a country where many voters are sceptical about the EU"
Gove is surely not seriously campaigning for the leadership. He just wants to make sure he gets a big office of state when May takes over. Chancellor will be very tricky for him given the promises that he has previously made about extra public spending and no tax increases.
The £100 million more a week on the NHS by 2020 is, of course, very different to £350 million extra a week. I imagine that we are already projected to spend something like £100 million more on the NHS than we are now. "Extra" would be on top of that.
The Cameron promise was an extra £8bn year on the NHS by 2020 (I think) so Gove's £5.2bn a year extra on the NHS is simply £8bn minus whatever loss in revenue Brexit results in.
What a mess - Cameron had a nice game plan of Safety, Stability and Security over the next 4 years before turning over to some nice young thing who would have won the Tories an even bigger majority against the labour shambles. Hung parliament for 2020 must be favourite now.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
i think there will be a good job waiting for whoever doesnt win. Can certainly see Leadsom being the main brexit negotiator in a May office given her business and leave background. If Leadsom beats May I could forsee her continuing in home office or moving to chancellor.
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
Why? The work continues, reassuring the markets continues. Or should all work stop until 2 September?
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
Burying the admission that the targets were always bogus and aimed only at embarrassing Labour during the election?
I have this funny feeling we will be having the same nonsense wheeled out in 2020 as well. Surplus by 2025...
@SamFawcett92: Tory candidates tacking left to win support of a largely centrist electorate. How many getting abuse and death threats from members? None
Gove is surely not seriously campaigning for the leadership. He just wants to make sure he gets a big office of state when May takes over. Chancellor will be very tricky for him given the promises that he has previously made about extra public spending and no tax increases.
The £100 million more a week on the NHS by 2020 is, of course, very different to £350 million extra a week. I imagine that we are already projected to spend something like £100 million more on the NHS than we are now. "Extra" would be on top of that.
I still do not understand what this Gove bid is all about. Like you I can't believe he is serious about wanting the top job, but he would have been kept in a top job anyway (he has been in one for the last six years who would throw him out now).
Reading the articles in the Telegraph yesterday, I suppose it is possible that he has been manipulated, by Cameron amongst others, into it with the intention that he would kill of Boris's bid and in doing so crash and burn himself. But that does seem a bit far fetched.
Something is very odd about this. I suppose we will have to wait for the memoirs to get some semblance of what is actually going on.
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
Lol - so many inconvenient truths for the Leave campaign to stomach - very easy to cut the deficit now - just ask Gove to lend him one of his unused knives.. oh..waitttttttttt..
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
He's just tidying his desk, leaving no outstanding undelivered bits of promises that history can lay at his door when he departs Downing Street....
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
Gove is surely not seriously campaigning for the leadership. He just wants to make sure he gets a big office of state when May takes over. Chancellor will be very tricky for him given the promises that he has previously made about extra public spending and no tax increases.
The £100 million more a week on the NHS by 2020 is, of course, very different to £350 million extra a week. I imagine that we are already projected to spend something like £100 million more on the NHS than we are now. "Extra" would be on top of that.
I still do not understand what this Gove bid is all about. Like you I can't believe he is serious about wanting the top job, but he would have been kept in a top job anyway (he has been in one for the last six years who would throw him out now).
Reading the articles in the Telegraph yesterday, I suppose it is possible that he has been manipulated, by Cameron amongst others, into it with the intention that he would kill of Boris's bid and in doing so crash and burn himself. But that does seem a bit far fetched.
Something is very odd about this. I suppose we will have to wait for the memoirs to get some semblance of what is actually going on.
There is no point in being a creative thinker if you are not able to do anything with the thinking. For McDonnell to have any chance of turning thoughts into policies - or even just to influence the debate on Brexit from the opposition benches - Labour needs a new leader. Could members find it in themselves to vote for another candidate if McDonnell was part of the package? In other words, do as Tyson says: find a leader that can speak to middle Britain (England) as well as the Labour heartlands, with McDonnell guaranteed the shadow chancellor slot in any new cabinet? Someone like Dan Jarvis gets Labour a hearing in places where labour will not be heard right now. That is an opportunity for McDonnell, as well as other left wingers. What labour needs more than anything else is a shadow cabinet in which its best operators are all contributing. I will concede you McDonnell, but I would also posit that it should include the likes of Umana, Reeves, Cooper, Smith, Leslie, and so on. The Tories need to be facing a credible opposition - for the good of the country, if nothing else. Corbyn just cannot deliver that.
Hmm. You're tempting me!
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
It really is unacceptable to have Osborne making these statements. No other Minister is making any "change of policy" statements. The most is Transport's "delay Heathrow decision for next PM".
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned. However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
Why? The work continues, reassuring the markets continues. Or should all work stop until 2 September?
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
That would be a strong line-up though I think Osborne needs a spell on the backbenches so I'd say keep Hammond as For Sec and give Home to someone else.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
Heard a rumour that Boris might become editor of the Telegraph.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
Heard a rumour that Boris might become editor of the Telegraph.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
Heard a rumour that Boris might become editor of the Telegraph.
There is no point in being a creative thinker if you are not able to do anything with the thinking. For McDonnell to have any chance of turning thoughts into policies - or even just to influence the debate on Brexit from the opposition benches - Labour needs a new leader. Could members find it in themselves to vote for another candidate if McDonnell was part of the package? In other words, do as Tyson says: find a leader that can speak to middle Britain (England) as well as the Labour heartlands, with McDonnell guaranteed the shadow chancellor slot in any new cabinet? Someone like Dan Jarvis gets Labour a hearing in places where labour will not be heard right now. That is an opportunity for McDonnell, as well as other left wingers. What labour needs more than anything else is a shadow cabinet in which its best operators are all contributing. I will concede you McDonnell, but I would also posit that it should include the likes of Umana, Reeves, Cooper, Smith, Leslie, and so on. The Tories need to be facing a credible opposition - for the good of the country, if nothing else. Corbyn just cannot deliver that.
Hmm. You're tempting me!
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
Agree that JM deserves a seat at Shadow Cabinet.
Leader? No.
Cooper would be a good candidate. The fact she performed badly in the leadership election when speaking to the largely hard-left membership is immaterial. She is sensible, intelligent, and grown up. Her femininity is an asset. And she would be broadly acceptable to all wings of the party.
Because it delays any calls to invoke Article 50 giving us time to start negotiating deals...
Ideally you need Crabb as the second candidate so the result is obvious (allowing things to be done) while nothing is finalised (so nothing can be signed off)...
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
I recently read Mr Johnson's book on Churchill. Chuchill was declared politically dead many times.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
That would be a strong line-up though I think Osborne needs a spell on the backbenches so I'd say keep Hammond as For Sec and give Home to someone else.
Mr. Eagles, I did expect Grayling to bugger things up during the referendum, but he was actually pretty on the level, which surprised me.
Mr. Mortimer, just so long as Fox gets more than Gove.
Grayling was one of the very few who came through it enhanced. He eschewed the nastiness and hysteria and came over polite and reasonable. Secretary of State for Brexit?
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
That would be a strong line-up though I think Osborne needs a spell on the backbenches so I'd say keep Hammond as For Sec and give Home to someone else.
Putting Leadsom at home is the usual gender stereotyping. Time for a female CoE! Anyway WTF is so good about Hammond?
There is no point in being a creative thinker if you are not able to do anything with the thinking. For McDonnell to have any chance of turning thoughts into policies - or even just to influence the debate on Brexit from the opposition benches - Labour needs a new leader. Could members find it in themselves to vote for another candidate if McDonnell was part of the package? In other words, do as Tyson says: find a leader that can speak to middle Britain (England) as well as the Labour heartlands, with McDonnell guaranteed the shadow chancellor slot in any new cabinet? Someone like Dan Jarvis gets Labour a hearing in places where labour will not be heard right now. That is an opportunity for McDonnell, as well as other left wingers. What labour needs more than anything else is a shadow cabinet in which its best operators are all contributing. I will concede you McDonnell, but I would also posit that it should include the likes of Umana, Reeves, Cooper, Smith, Leslie, and so on. The Tories need to be facing a credible opposition - for the good of the country, if nothing else. Corbyn just cannot deliver that.
Hmm. You're tempting me!
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
Agree that JM deserves a seat at Shadow Cabinet.
Leader? No.
Cooper would be a good candidate. The fact she performed badly in the leadership election when speaking to the largely hard-left membership is immaterial. She is sensible, intelligent, and grown up. Her femininity is an asset. And she would be broadly acceptable to all wings of the party.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
Heard a rumour that Boris might become editor of the Telegraph.
I think that's very possible
Boris as editor? Not if there is any truth in the charges of laziness and disorganisation levelled yesterday.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
Please not Johnson at Defence, if anywhere. Defence needs someone with a grasp of detail and prepared to work hard so as to foil the wily machinations of the enemy - the Treasury. Johnson would be feckin useless at the job.
Osborne, in my view, should be consigned to the back benches, preferably of a No. 9 bus and not allowed anywhere near any position of power and influence. He enjoys the game too much over being an effective minister and actually doing his day job. He rose with Cameron let him pass away with Cameron.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
Where does Leadsom stand on 'non-Brexit', 'non-fiscal' issues? Is she a socially wet liberal, or as authoritarian as May has appeared to be. (Thinking Snoopers Charter, Justice issues, etc.)
Mr. Eagles, I did expect Grayling to bugger things up during the referendum, but he was actually pretty on the level, which surprised me.
Mr. Mortimer, just so long as Fox gets more than Gove.
Grayling was one of the very few who came through it enhanced. He eschewed the nastiness and hysteria and came over polite and reasonable. Secretary of State for Brexit?
Chris Grayling will get a top job from Prime Minister Theresa May, I'm talking one of the great offices of state
Wow. Really?
Did I miss the day they made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster a GOOS?
They've been friends for nearly 30 years, he's her campaign manager.
Last time the Tories elected their leader whilst in office, the winning candidate's campaign manager was promoted from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
May: 133, strangely down on Tuesday's vote Gove: 100 Leadsom: 95
GOVE: "I am delighted to have received the support of 100 MPs and congratulate both Theresa on her victory and Andrea on her excellent campaign. However, it is very clear from my soundings amongst the local associations that Theresa commands the confidence of the members. I have therefore - reluctantly but firmly - concluded that I can best serve my country by stepping aside from this contest and letting Theresa get on with the job at hand."
There is no point in being a creative thinker if you are not able to do anything with the thinking. For McDonnell to have any chance of turning thoughts into policies - or even just to influence the debate on Brexit from the opposition benches - Labour needs a new leader. Could members find it in themselves to vote for another candidate if McDonnell was part of the package? In other words, do as Tyson says: find a leader that can speak to middle Britain (England) as well as the Labour heartlands, with McDonnell guaranteed the shadow chancellor slot in any new cabinet? Someone like Dan Jarvis gets Labour a hearing in places where labour will not be heard right now. That is an opportunity for McDonnell, as well as other left wingers. What labour needs more than anything else is a shadow cabinet in which its best operators are all contributing. I will concede you McDonnell, but I would also posit that it should include the likes of Umana, Reeves, Cooper, Smith, Leslie, and so on. The Tories need to be facing a credible opposition - for the good of the country, if nothing else. Corbyn just cannot deliver that.
Hmm. You're tempting me!
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
Agree that JM deserves a seat at Shadow Cabinet.
Leader? No.
Cooper would be a good candidate. The fact she performed badly in the leadership election when speaking to the largely hard-left membership is immaterial. She is sensible, intelligent, and grown up. Her femininity is an asset. And she would be broadly acceptable to all wings of the party.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
Please not Johnson at Defence, if anywhere. Defence needs someone with a grasp of detail and prepared to work hard so as to foil the wily machinations of the enemy - the Treasury. Johnson would be feckin useless at the job.
Osborne, in my view, should be consigned to the back benches, preferably of a No. 9 bus and not allowed anywhere near any position of power and influence. He enjoys the game too much over being an effective minister and actually doing his day job. He rose with Cameron let him pass away with Cameron.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
I recently read Mr Johnson's book on Churchill. Chuchill was declared politically dead many times.
Christ, I thought he'd finished there, but now he's off again...
He has a very well developed policy platform, for someone who only decided to stand 72 hours ago.
To be fair, if you are a thinker and have been in politics as long as he has, you would expect to have views on most major policy issues, so creating a platform would not take long.
He just said as much in the questions. That he wrote the 5,000 word speech yesterday and this morning, but his head has been full of ideas for years and he was just writing it all down in one go.
There is no point in being a creative thinker if you are not able to do anything with the thinking. For McDonnell to have any chance of turning thoughts into policies - or even just to influence the debate on Brexit from the opposition benches - Labour needs a new leader. Could members find it in themselves to vote for another candidate if McDonnell was part of the package? In other words, do as Tyson says: find a leader that can speak to middle Britain (England) as well as the Labour heartlands, with McDonnell guaranteed the shadow chancellor slot in any new cabinet? Someone like Dan Jarvis gets Labour a hearing in places where labour will not be heard right now. That is an opportunity for McDonnell, as well as other left wingers. What labour needs more than anything else is a shadow cabinet in which its best operators are all contributing. I will concede you McDonnell, but I would also posit that it should include the likes of Umana, Reeves, Cooper, Smith, Leslie, and so on. The Tories need to be facing a credible opposition - for the good of the country, if nothing else. Corbyn just cannot deliver that.
Hmm. You're tempting me!
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
But they can't go from Corbyn to Angela Eagle. She comes across as a primary school head teacher, or social worker. My issue with Corbyn has always been to his electability. Out of the frying pan into the fire springs to mind with Eagle.
I think Starmer or Jarvis would beat Corbyn in a contest if they embrace a large part of the Corbyn legacy in the campaign.
Eagle, if she chose to run, would be just as responsible as Corbyn for running the party off a cliff.
Chris Grayling will get a top job from Prime Minister Theresa May, I'm talking one of the great offices of state
Wow. Really?
Did I miss the day they made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster a GOOS?
They've been friends for nearly 30 years, he's her campaign manager.
Last time the Tories elected their leader whilst in office, the winning candidate's campaign manager was promoted from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
I know - I'm just jesting.
But seriously, I've just never seen the Grayling appeal.
Chris Grayling will get a top job from Prime Minister Theresa May, I'm talking one of the great offices of state
Wow. Really?
Did I miss the day they made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster a GOOS?
They've been friends for nearly 30 years, he's her campaign manager.
Last time the Tories elected their leader whilst in office, the winning candidate's campaign manager was promoted from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
I know - I'm just jesting.
But seriously, I've just never seen the Grayling appeal.
Neither have I, but he impressed me during this referendum campaign.
Nick, we need a credible Labour opposition. The country needs it. I very strongly believe that if Corbyn were to go, it would make such a huge difference not only to the way that Labour is seen by voters as a whole, but also to morale in the party. I think all sides have to be prepared to compromise to achieve that aim. It needs a recognition from the left - people like you - that there are better leaders for Labour than Corbyn; while the centre and the right - people like me - have to recognise that people like John McDonnell have earned, genuinely earned, a place at the top table of policy formation. A presentable leader who can open ears in places where Labour is not currently heard will actually help the left.
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
Well, for a start it's nice to be on speaking terms again .
I think where I am at the moment - not that it matters for anyone except me, but maybe typical of a chunk of members - is that I'm instinctively loyal, I like Jeremy personally and admire his backbone, I vehemently dislike the whispering campaign against him over the last year, and I feel nothing but contempt for anonymous critics who don't have the guts to stand. All those things make me oppose anything like a coup.
But a fair election is something else. I'll have a look at the candidates if and when they emerge, see how they conduct themselves, and if they suggest something on the lines that you and Tyson have argued, I'll be pretty tempted.
There are some good reasons to expect that Johnson will not wish to be considered for a top job, and may instead retire from front line politics at the next General Election.
I recently read Mr Johnson's book on Churchill. Chuchill was declared politically dead many times.
Boris Johnson did not withdraw because of Gove.
Is this another one of those smeary gossip stories? The last one was entirely wrong.
i think we can face that it will be May vs Leadsom and I think it will be a close run thing
I wonder if Leadsom will be bought off by May: step down, endorse me, and get one of the great offices of state.
PM: May DPM and Brexit: Gove CoE: Leadsom For Sec: Osborne Home: Hammond Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
Please not Johnson at Defence, if anywhere. Defence needs someone with a grasp of detail and prepared to work hard so as to foil the wily machinations of the enemy - the Treasury. Johnson would be feckin useless at the job.
Osborne, in my view, should be consigned to the back benches, preferably of a No. 9 bus and not allowed anywhere near any position of power and influence. He enjoys the game too much over being an effective minister and actually doing his day job. He rose with Cameron let him pass away with Cameron.
Whoever would have thought it?? It's almost as if the plan was entirely political and designed to make life difficult for Labour.
For a decent opposition this is an absolute gold plated, where would sir like to sit, can I pour you a whisky, dinner will be served soon, opportunity.
"Tesla Driver In First Self-Drive Fatal Crash Joshua Brown was killed when his car's cameras apparently failed to pick out a white trailer against a bright sky."
Chris Grayling will get a top job from Prime Minister Theresa May, I'm talking one of the great offices of state
Wow. Really?
Did I miss the day they made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster a GOOS?
They've been friends for nearly 30 years, he's her campaign manager.
Last time the Tories elected their leader whilst in office, the winning candidate's campaign manager was promoted from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
I know - I'm just jesting.
But seriously, I've just never seen the Grayling appeal.
Neither have I, but he impressed me during this referendum campaign.
He was definitely one of the few to respect the rules of engagement.
Wonder if he'd be better as Party Chairman than any position where he gets to change laws, though, after the justice debacle.
May: 133, strangely down on Tuesday's vote Gove: 100 Leadsom: 95
GOVE: "I am delighted to have received the support of 100 MPs and congratulate both Theresa on her victory and Andrea on her excellent campaign. However, it is very clear from my soundings amongst the local associations that Theresa commands the confidence of the members. I have therefore - reluctantly but firmly - concluded that I can best serve my country by stepping aside from this contest and letting Theresa get on with the job at hand."
That could bring the question of when to invoke Article 50 back on the agenda. As I said before ideally you want a member's vote as it allows time to negotiate or at least fact find without pressure...
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For long term Lib Dem targets read down from the top.
For long term UKIP, up from the bottom.
"Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020, the BBC has learned.
However, the Chancellor said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade". The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said. Even before that vote, there were questions over whether Mr Osborne would be able to balance the budget by 2020.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452
I wonder if it's to try and make people think that being in the EU makes as much sense as being in NATO. Does seem odd.
There are a lot of ex- (and possibly future) LD seats at the top of that list.
That must have been planned.
There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the division bell
And I was thinking to myself,
"This could be Heaven or this could be Hell"
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor,
I thought I heard them say...
Welcome to the Hotel Corbynista
Such a lonely place (Such a lonely place)
Such a tragic waste
Plenty of room at the Hotel Corbynista
Any time of year (Any time of year)
You can find it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36680463
There was a big incentive for a leadership candidate (leave or remain) to go for the full £350m a week.
Stretching the timescale out a bit, hoping for a bit of inflation - and some creative fuzzing of the line between the NHS/social care bill - it's probably doable.
Problem is people still wouldn't see much tangible improvement in their actual experience of the NHS.
Brexit. Binit.
What a mess - Cameron had a nice game plan of Safety, Stability and Security over the next 4 years before turning over to some nice young thing who would have won the Tories an even bigger majority against the labour shambles. Hung parliament for 2020 must be favourite now.
DPM and Brexit: Gove
CoE: Leadsom
For Sec: Osborne
Home: Hammond
Defence: Johnson [if he wants a job at all]
Gin or Vodka, he's going to be pissed soon.
Reading the articles in the Telegraph yesterday, I suppose it is possible that he has been manipulated, by Cameron amongst others, into it with the intention that he would kill of Boris's bid and in doing so crash and burn himself. But that does seem a bit far fetched.
Something is very odd about this. I suppose we will have to wait for the memoirs to get some semblance of what is actually going on.
Nice try George. It won't wash...
That created the "knifing" narrative.
Leadsom/Gove -30
http://order-order.com/2016/07/01/corbyn-laughs-jokes-smeeth-heckler/
I don't know how it can be done, but there has to be a way for some kind of compromise to be reached. Corbyn is the problem here. It is not a policy thing. If he goes, it is almost like with one leap we are free.
I came out evens on Brexit in the end. I was too nervous on the night to bet on anything
Mr. Mortimer, just so long as Fox gets more than Gove.
Did I miss the day they made Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster a GOOS?
Leader? No.
Cooper would be a good candidate. The fact she performed badly in the leadership election when speaking to the largely hard-left membership is immaterial. She is sensible, intelligent, and grown up. Her femininity is an asset. And she would be broadly acceptable to all wings of the party.
Go Yvette!
Ideally you need Crabb as the second candidate so the result is obvious (allowing things to be done) while nothing is finalised (so nothing can be signed off)...
Gove -24.97
Leadsom +377.87
Crabb -247.8
Fox -96.15
Osborne, in my view, should be consigned to the back benches, preferably of a No. 9 bus and not allowed anywhere near any position of power and influence. He enjoys the game too much over being an effective minister and actually doing his day job. He rose with Cameron let him pass away with Cameron.
Last time the Tories elected their leader whilst in office, the winning candidate's campaign manager was promoted from Chief Secretary to the Treasury to the Chancellor of the Exchequer
May: 133, strangely down on Tuesday's vote
Gove: 100
Leadsom: 95
GOVE: "I am delighted to have received the support of 100 MPs and congratulate both Theresa on her victory and Andrea on her excellent campaign. However, it is very clear from my soundings amongst the local associations that Theresa commands the confidence of the members. I have therefore - reluctantly but firmly - concluded that I can best serve my country by stepping aside from this contest and letting Theresa get on with the job at hand."
My issue with Corbyn has always been to his electability. Out of the frying pan into the fire springs to mind with Eagle.
I think Starmer or Jarvis would beat Corbyn in a contest if they embrace a large part of the Corbyn legacy in the campaign.
Eagle, if she chose to run, would be just as responsible as Corbyn for running the party off a cliff.
But seriously, I've just never seen the Grayling appeal.
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/e3-ramble.html
I think where I am at the moment - not that it matters for anyone except me, but maybe typical of a chunk of members - is that I'm instinctively loyal, I like Jeremy personally and admire his backbone, I vehemently dislike the whispering campaign against him over the last year, and I feel nothing but contempt for anonymous critics who don't have the guts to stand. All those things make me oppose anything like a coup.
But a fair election is something else. I'll have a look at the candidates if and when they emerge, see how they conduct themselves, and if they suggest something on the lines that you and Tyson have argued, I'll be pretty tempted.
For a decent opposition this is an absolute gold plated, where would sir like to sit, can I pour you a whisky, dinner will be served soon, opportunity.
Corbyn has to go, surely.
"At Policy Exchange waiting for Michael Gove to arrive. PX is the paramilitary wing of Cameroon conservatism"
".... Arguably as much about ensuring a particular Tory faction has longevity as it is about new ideas"
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes
Set back for self-drive cars:
"Tesla Driver In First Self-Drive Fatal Crash
Joshua Brown was killed when his car's cameras apparently failed to pick out a white trailer against a bright sky."
http://news.sky.com/story/1720018/tesla-driver-in-first-self-drive-fatal-crash
Wonder if he'd be better as Party Chairman than any position where he gets to change laws, though, after the justice debacle.
Ryan Giggs has agreed a settlement package to leave Manchester United
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36684452