I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our mighty navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
The Osborne boom is based on a massive housing bubble.
I think that's absolutely right: people simply don't realise how unbalanced the UK economy is. Our current account deficit is close to 7%. To put that in context, almost a quarter of UK imports (a quarter!) are funded by either foreigners lending to us, or us selling off assets.
Our economy is increasingly resembling Spain's on the eve of the Eurozone crisis.
Fortunately, we will have currency depreciation to help cushion the blow. But irrespective, the household savings rate needs to move from 4% (a record low) to perhaps 11%. That will cause a nasty slowdown.
@NickPalmer Looking at my betting slips, I'm all in favour of John McDonnell standing. His incident with the little red book, however, suggests that while he may be better than Jeremy Corbyn at some aspects of the leadership role, he still has considerable room for improvement.
I think McDonnell's statement is pretty damned good. It's this sort of detailed analysis and forward-looking policy discussion that we need from anyone who is standing for the leadership (which apparently he isn't). If, say, Angela Eagle stands, I'm not interested in her opinions about Jeremy as I've heard them at length, I want to know what she stands for.
McDonnell's position is interesting if Corbyn did decide to step down. He has two big negatives - he's seen as much less sweet-natured than Corbyn by many other MPs (Corbyn is mostly liked by the resignees, they just don't think he's good at the job), and he once said pleasant things about the IRA (he's apologised and maybe it's yesterday's issue, or not?). On the other hand, he's a genuinely creative thinker who is doing a much better job of recognising changing realities and developing new policies (over everything from the economy to migration to Trident) than most shadow ministers. What do others think?
Ditching Freedom of Movement means I cannot vote for Labour again sadly.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
So we may have a situation where the Tories lead by May will be the party campaigning in favour of the single market and some form of free movement and more immigration while Labour will campaign against free movement. What kind of a world is this.
I might put some money on the LibDems regaining Horney & Wood Green and Cambridge...
The Osborne boom is based on a massive housing bubble.
I think that's absolutely right: people simply don't realise how unbalanced the UK economy is. Our current account deficit is close to 7%. To put that in context, almost a quarter of UK imports (a quarter!) are funded by either foreigners lending to us, or us selling off assets.
Our economy is increasingly resembling Spain's on the eve of the Eurozone crisis.
Fortunately, we will have currency depreciation to help cushion the blow. But irrespective, the household savings rate needs to move from 4% (a record low) to perhaps 11%. That will cause a nasty slowdown.
Why on earth would anyone save anything when you can't get any return on your savings...
Yes, quite right. I note that Nick still hasn't said whether he thinks Corbyn should do the honourable thing and resign.
Clearly Yvette is the best choice to lead the party. Yet the old left are so blinkered (an increasingly distasteful on immigration and Europe) that they cannot see it.
Yvette was awful during the leadership campaign. I put her in last place behind Burnham (like many people my two 2 were the two reform candidates - Corbyn and Kendall). None of the rejected will run again, its passed onto the next generation.
I don't know Dan Jarvis - he is literally an empty suit. But I do know Sir Keir Starmer. New as an MP yes. But endlessly experienced as to the machinations of politics and how this country works. If we have to choose someone with a back story its Starmer over Jarvis every time.
Some kind of rare toad has just been spotted on the BBC news channel. It has a strange warbling mouth that is quite disgusting. Horrible looking creature.
I think McDonnell's statement is pretty damned good. It's this sort of detailed analysis and forward-looking policy discussion that we need from anyone who is standing for the leadership (which apparently he isn't). If, say, Angela Eagle stands, I'm not interested in her opinions about Jeremy as I've heard them at length, I want to know what she stands for.
McDonnell's position is interesting if Corbyn did decide to step down. He has two big negatives - he's seen as much less sweet-natured than Corbyn by many other MPs (Corbyn is mostly liked by the resignees, they just don't think he's good at the job), and he once said pleasant things about the IRA (he's apologised and maybe it's yesterday's issue, or not?). On the other hand, he's a genuinely creative thinker who is doing a much better job of recognising changing realities and developing new policies (over everything from the economy to migration to Trident) than most shadow ministers. What do others think?
I'm not your target demographic, but it's clear that McDonnell is a political operator. He can string a sentence together. He's far more credible than Jeremy Corbyn and he wants to win an election. He's talking about policies not abstracts and ideals. Ticks the boxes for me.
McDonnell speaking now; says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”
Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.
Quote from the Guardian’s “instant” site
This is not a line that Jeremy Corbyn can effectively deliver. McDonnell is a far better politician and is clearly more in synch with the thinking of ordinary Labour voters. Labour members will hate it.
I could not vote for a party led by an IRA apologist, but I don't doubt that Labour led by John McDonnell would fair much better than Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn. McDonnell may also have it in him to build bridges with the centre and the left of the party, which Corbyn is also incapable of doing.
McDonnell speaking now; says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”
Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.
Quote from the Guardian’s “instant” site
McDonnell has actually grasped what Labour needs to say to keep the Northern and Midland seats.
He is a winner if Corbyn will stand down....
At the expense of a 1983 style wipe out in the South.
McDonnell speaking now; says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”
Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.
Quote from the Guardian’s “instant” site
McDonnell has actually grasped what Labour needs to say to keep the Northern and Midland seats.
He is a winner if Corbyn will stand down....
At the expense of a 1983 style wipe out in the South.
The choice is a 1983 style wipe out in the North or a 1983 style wipe out in the South. Which one would you go for.....
Christopher Hope (@christopherhope) July 1, 2016 Oh dear Just three Tory MPs are here for Michael Gove's launch. Perhaps even the Parliamentary party is squeamish about him #ToryLeadership
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago There must be a good chance that Theresa May will be Prime Minister by next Thursday, if she gets commanding lead among MPs
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our mighty navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
Nope. We are where we are, so let's go out and make the most of the opportunities that result.
The referendum was last week's news, it would be chip paper now if the EU hadn't banned us from doing that!
Moping around and thinking only of the closed-minded EU will lead to the recession that some are talking about, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. So we need to act like we're the fifth biggest economy and get on with the job.
I think McDonnell's statement is pretty damned good. It's this sort of detailed analysis and forward-looking policy discussion that we need from anyone who is standing for the leadership (which apparently he isn't). If, say, Angela Eagle stands, I'm not interested in her opinions about Jeremy as I've heard them at length, I want to know what she stands for.
McDonnell's position is interesting if Corbyn did decide to step down. He has two big negatives - he's seen as much less sweet-natured than Corbyn by many other MPs (Corbyn is mostly liked by the resignees, they just don't think he's good at the job), and he once said pleasant things about the IRA (he's apologised and maybe it's yesterday's issue, or not?). On the other hand, he's a genuinely creative thinker who is doing a much better job of recognising changing realities and developing new policies (over everything from the economy to migration to Trident) than most shadow ministers. What do others think?
Nick, as you know I have never voted Labour and have thought that the party has always done more damage than good. However, I have to admit to if not actually liking some of McDonnell's ideas then at least thinking that he was on to something and deserved more of a hearing than he has been getting.
Personally, I could never vote for the bloke or the party if he was its leader because of his stance in other areas. But that is just me, others may well feel those are yesterday's issues.
Some kind of rare toad has just been spotted on the BBC news channel. It has a strange warbling mouth that is quite disgusting. Horrible looking creature.
McDonnell speaking now; says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”
Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.
Quote from the Guardian’s “instant” site
McDonnell has actually grasped what Labour needs to say to keep the Northern and Midland seats.
He is a winner if Corbyn will stand down....
At the expense of a 1983 style wipe out in the South.
That isn't exactly far off at the moment....
I don't think McDonnell keeps the Midland seats. But then to be honest, I'm not sure who does. Watson perhaps. Gisella maybe. Eagle definitely not.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
You may have discovered an important economic law here. This could be your John Nash moment. How many years until you pick up your Nobel?
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
McDonnell speaking now; says he wants to be absolutely clear on immigration. After the UK leaves the EU “free movement of labour and people will come to an end.”
Anti-immigration feeling stemmed from austerity and economic uncertainty, he says, which Labour also needs to confront.
Quote from the Guardian’s “instant” site
McDonnell has actually grasped what Labour needs to say to keep the Northern and Midland seats.
He is a winner if Corbyn will stand down....
At the expense of a 1983 style wipe out in the South.
The choice is a 1983 style wipe out in the North or a 1983 style wipe out in the South. Which one would you go for.....
As a man who believes government spending should be no more than 7% of GDP (where it was pre-WW1), I would go for both.
In fact @rcs1000, the demographics, Scottish/Welsh problems and their split metro/wc base are really working against Labour at the moment. I don't see how they muster even a coalition forming total without the Midlands.
They have to pivot away from metropolitanism to survive.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
You may have discovered an important economic law here. This could be your John Nash moment. How many years until you pick up your Nobel?
It only seems to work for Italy, sadly. My theory is that Italian politicians are so venal and incompetent that the further the way they are from power, the better.
Did you know that the Five Star Movement initially applied to join the pro-European Alliance of Liberals and Democrats grouping in the European Parliament, and when they were turned down joined the UKIP grouping? Bizarre.
I think McDonnell's statement is pretty damned good. It's this sort of detailed analysis and forward-looking policy discussion that we need from anyone who is standing for the leadership (which apparently he isn't). If, say, Angela Eagle stands, I'm not interested in her opinions about Jeremy as I've heard them at length, I want to know what she stands for.
McDonnell's position is interesting if Corbyn did decide to step down. He has two big negatives - he's seen as much less sweet-natured than Corbyn by many other MPs (Corbyn is mostly liked by the resignees, they just don't think he's good at the job), and he once said pleasant things about the IRA (he's apologised and maybe it's yesterday's issue, or not?). On the other hand, he's a genuinely creative thinker who is doing a much better job of recognising changing realities and developing new policies (over everything from the economy to migration to Trident) than most shadow ministers. What do others think?
I'm not your target demographic, but it's clear that McDonnell is a political operator. He can string a sentence together. He's far more credible than Jeremy Corbyn and he wants to win an election. He's talking about policies not abstracts and ideals. Ticks the boxes for me.
I agree with everything JohnM said. Nick- I don't think being a bastard is a negative BTW. I think a kindly nature and political leadership are directly incompatible....I don't want my leader to be like my kindly Uncle Ralph. Being a cnut- the one swear word I will not write on this site- is a very good thing. So, he gets my tick too. And the IRA stuff- yes it's a cross, but I'm sure someone as clever as McDonnell can make amends for this if he's leader.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago Gove: "I did everything not to be a candidate''. Well yes, if you ignore the stabbing Boris in the back stuff...
In fact @rcs1000, the demographics, Scottish/Welsh problems and their split metro/wc base are really working against Labour at the moment. I don't see how they muster even a coalition forming total without the Midlands.
They have to pivot away from metropolitanism to survive.
Without Scotland, losing their metropolitan heartlands in the South is equally fatal. They can either have 150 Northern seats, or 100 metropolitan and Southern.
Michael Gove is the Tory Ed Miliband, just imagine him eating a bacon sandwich
He's not *that* bad. Gove's time at education and justice has done nowhere near as much harm to the country as Ed whilst at energy.
But do I see him as PM? No. He doesn't have *it*, whatever *it* is.
Gove's a very good minister, but he doesn't look like a PM. Contrast with May's speech yesterday, even down to the room he's in.
Can anyone do a blue screen - style thing with that sort of yellow colour? It might contrast with his shirt, but it'd be fun to put different backgrounds in ...
Oh, and on HTML tags: let's hope blink doesn't work in your browsers.
Michael Gove is the Tory Ed Miliband, just imagine him eating a bacon sandwich
He's not *that* bad. Gove's time at education and justice has done nowhere near as much harm to the country as Ed whilst at energy.
But do I see him as PM? No. He doesn't have *it*, whatever *it* is.
Gove's a very good minister, but he doesn't look like a PM. Contrast with May's speech yesterday, even down to the room he's in.
Can anyone do a blue screen - style thing with that sort of yellow colour? It might contrast with his shirt, but it'd be fun to put different backgrounds in ...
Oh, and on HTML tags: let's hope blink doesn't work in your browsers.
Sadly or thankfully depending on your viewpoint both Blink and Marquee are deprecated and obsolete.
I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our might navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
You keep ignoring the fact that Italy is a basket case. You're the one whose blinkered. You think its the EU right or wrong. That's sad.
If do a scatter plot with "government majority" on one side and "economic growth" on the other, you find that Italy has very clear inverse correlation. No government means strong economic growth; having a government (particularly one with a majority) means poor growth.
You may have discovered an important economic law here. This could be your John Nash moment. How many years until you pick up your Nobel?
It only seems to work for Italy, sadly. My theory is that Italian politicians are so venal and incompetent that the further the way they are from power, the better.
Did you know that the Five Star Movement initially applied to join the pro-European Alliance of Liberals and Democrats grouping in the European Parliament, and when they were turned down joined the UKIP grouping? Bizarre.
The MEPs have to form coalition groups of a certain size to qualify for EU grants of millions of euros. To hell with the ideaology.
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I posted yesterday- have you bought some special glasses? You know you can buy some that when you look at Corbyn you see JFK. With the Brexit ones, what do you see? A make believe prosperous Britain where we rule again our colonies. Maybe we can reverse the US War of Independence when our mighty navy sails again.
Corbrexer- defintion- loony tunes ideologue who hasn't the remotest clue how the world works.
Our economy is increasingly resembling Spain's on the eve of the Eurozone crisis.
Fortunately, we will have currency depreciation to help cushion the blow. But irrespective, the household savings rate needs to move from 4% (a record low) to perhaps 11%. That will cause a nasty slowdown.
Falconer resigns.
Falconer resigns.
I don't know Dan Jarvis - he is literally an empty suit. But I do know Sir Keir Starmer. New as an MP yes. But endlessly experienced as to the machinations of politics and how this country works. If we have to choose someone with a back story its Starmer over Jarvis every time.
Annoyingly blink is no longer valid HTML....
I could not vote for a party led by an IRA apologist, but I don't doubt that Labour led by John McDonnell would fair much better than Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn. McDonnell may also have it in him to build bridges with the centre and the left of the party, which Corbyn is also incapable of doing.
July 1, 2016
Oh dear Just three Tory MPs are here for Michael Gove's launch. Perhaps even the Parliamentary party is squeamish about him #ToryLeadership
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 1h1 hour ago
There must be a good chance that Theresa May will be Prime Minister by next Thursday, if she gets commanding lead among MPs
“Whatever loyalty is, I don’t have it,” he [didn’t] add
Good speech from Gove though so far.
Gove, Gove will tear us apart
The referendum was last week's news, it would be chip paper now if the EU hadn't banned us from doing that!
Moping around and thinking only of the closed-minded EU will lead to the recession that some are talking about, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. So we need to act like we're the fifth biggest economy and get on with the job.
Personally, I could never vote for the bloke or the party if he was its leader because of his stance in other areas. But that is just me, others may well feel those are yesterday's issues.
But do I see him as PM? No. He doesn't have *it*, whatever *it* is.
I don't think McDonnell keeps the Midland seats. But then to be honest, I'm not sure who does. Watson perhaps. Gisella maybe. Eagle definitely not.
Mr. Eagles, blimey. Was the formerly defeated candidate a sceptic about the EU?
They have to pivot away from metropolitanism to survive.
http://labourlist.org/2016/07/john-mann-chakrabartis-anti-semitism-report-gives-a-route-out-of-this-mess/
Did you know that the Five Star Movement initially applied to join the pro-European Alliance of Liberals and Democrats grouping in the European Parliament, and when they were turned down joined the UKIP grouping? Bizarre.
Nick- I don't think being a bastard is a negative BTW. I think a kindly nature and political leadership are directly incompatible....I don't want my leader to be like my kindly Uncle Ralph. Being a cnut- the one swear word I will not write on this site- is a very good thing. So, he gets my tick too.
And the IRA stuff- yes it's a cross, but I'm sure someone as clever as McDonnell can make amends for this if he's leader.
Gove: "I did everything not to be a candidate''. Well yes, if you ignore the stabbing Boris in the back stuff...
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"Postal Vote Fraud" is the reason.
Oh, and on HTML tags: let's hope blink doesn't work in your browsers.
May as well join in.
The power of Gove
A force from above
Cleaning my soul
Flame on burn desire
Gove with tongues of fire
Purge the soul
Make Gove your goal
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-poll-most-brits-want-general-election-to-be-called-this-year-a3285706.html
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