I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
If he was as ruthless as it appears, he would have done it as soon as Boris officially announced he was quitting
Unless he thinks that 'sooner done' is best for the country, and is waiting until it's him and May in the top 2, at which point he'll pull out and we can have a new PM in a couple of weeks, rather than waiting till September.
Obviously in that scenario he'll get a heap load of shit from the membership for denying them a voice I would imagine, but I'm not sure if that'd bother him if he genuinely never wants to be PM anyway.
@markmackinnon: Carney asks room of reporters, bankers whether any feel Bank of England's warnings about Brexit have not proven correct. Response is silence
How can they say? With the exception of some turbulence which a blind man could have predicted, nothing he has claimed has yet come to pass. Not because he is necessarily wrong but because it is too early.
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
Im wondering how long it is before the men in grey suits persuade the others to drop out. The only credible challenger to Boris has gone and presumably for the other four it is just a case of negotiating a decent cabinet role.
Still quite cant fathom out Gove though. He dosent come across as Brutus, but then neither did Howe. Can't help thinking that there must be more to this than politics?
I posted yesterday that Corbyn was a man of unimpeachable integrity and that's not always a virtue.
Based on everything I've read, Gove is a man of unimpeachable principle, who has the courage of his convictions. That's not always a virtue either. He's shown little hesitation in serially stabbing Cameron and then Johnson.
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
First, there was his look of shock and astonishment as he took in the news that LEAVE had actually won the referendum. That told a story different from what the public had been led to expect
Secondly, He did a disappearing act, not taking his place in parliament and hiding, I guess from the MSM.
Thirdly, he operated clandestinely and was secretive, and that let allies to fall away.
All this proves to me that the main stream parties will never act in Britain's interest, that the Tories under May or Gove will never negotiate with the EU like they are from an independent nation, and that a party like UKIP is required to take this country forward; although UKIP itself needs to be under new management.
I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
I've been thinking that he is lining this up for May (or Leadsom) but looking at that interview maybe he really is going for it as the only politician who can really bring 100% BREXIT (rather than EEA)
If he is 100% BREXIT, how is he different from farage ?
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
If Sarah Vine didn't realise David Cameron would resign if Leave won, she must have a brain the size of a pea. Cameron has charisma. Theresa May has charisma. Gove doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get into the top two.
First, there was his look of shock and astonishment as he took in the news that LEAVE had actually won the referendum. That told a story different from what the public had been led to expect
Secondly, He did a disappearing act, not taking his place in parliament and hiding, I guess from the MSM.
Thirdly, he operated clandestinely and was secretive, and that let allies to fall away.
All this proves to me that the main stream parties will never act in Britain's interest, that the Tories under May or Gove will never negotiate with the EU like they are from an independent nation, and that a party like UKIP is required to take this country forward; although UKIP itself needs to be under new management.
I don't quite see how your first three points add up to 'We need UKIP' - you've listed one notably mercurial politician not acting to his own advantage since the leave vote, and say that means none of the other parties will act in Britain's interests.
And don't fall into the mistake of your opponents and pretending UKIP is not a main stream party - you are. It's the same trap as dismissing media one doesn't like as 'mainstream', it's just a label.
I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
Im wondering how long it is before the men in grey suits persuade the others to drop out. The only credible challenger to Boris has gone and presumably for the other four it is just a case of negotiating a decent cabinet role.
Still quite cant fathom out Gove though. He dosent come across as Brutus, but then neither did Howe. Can't help thinking that there must be more to this than politics?
I posted yesterday that Corbyn was a man of unimpeachable integrity and that's not always a virtue.
Based on everything I've read, Gove is a man of unimpeachable principle, who has the courage of his convictions. That's not always a virtue either. He's shown little hesitation in serially stabbing Cameron and then Johnson.
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
I definitely see Mrs G pulling the strings here. not an attractive prospect.
So, if that should have made a difference, you are saying that this country's entire destiny should have been dictated by the prospective actions of 237 of its most despicable and disgusting inhabitants?
No
I am saying, as I said all along, that the Leave campaign was explicitly xenophobic, and that their win has legitimised these criminal acts in the minds of those committing them
And the Brexiteers who cheered so loudly are in denial about the cost of their "victory"
Correlation is not causation.
Our politicians were burying their heads in the sand about the issue that a very significant part of the population is hugely exercised - and for good reason. It has forced their housing costs up and wages down.
Frankly if this referendum had not made the penny drop in a peaceful manner I dread to think what would have happened to the Queens Peace over the next 20 years.
If some neanderthals have decided the current climate means they think they can get away with attacking minorities then that is to be condemned and for knacker to deal with. But I suspect it is a vicarage tea party compared with what I fear may have happened, or whatdemagogue may have got into power in. a few years if the issue had been left to fester.
Thanks to the good sense of the British public and refusal to be intimidated by the threats of doom against them we have been delivered both from colonisation by a supranational and ruinous unelected socialist government and from a ruinous and divisive social policy
Really can't believe what Gove has done today. The tosspot Thatcherite Scottish Tory Boy twat that rubbed everyone up the wrong way on a Channel 4 comedy programme in the early 90s always looked a wrong 'un!
Is there a character limit on that box? Why would you give people such an option? I happen to know from people who set up surveys and the like you want as few opportunities for people to vomit forth their unvarnished thoughts as possible; other than any other considerations, it's usually hard to analyze .
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
You sound as though you are assuming that had Gove not run, Johnson would have had the leadership in the bag or at least had a good chance of getting it. I am not convinced that is so.
Gove likely to find he has just crowned May who will be less Brexit than Boris would have been.
May said only that there was a need for "more Immigration control" not the same system for EU and Non -EU immigrants.
Also May likely to appoint Hammond as Chancellor or Foreign Sec and maybe even keep Osborne in a top job.
Could have PM, Chancellor and Foreign Sec as Remainers.
We have to look after the 48%. It's that simple. Leavers had diverse motives that are likely to be hard to pin down. Remain is simple; they wanted to cling to nurse (whether that's due to inertia, fear or affection doesn't really matter).
Is there a character limit on that box? Why would you give people such an option? I happen to know from people who set up surveys and the like you want as few opportunities for people to vomit forth their unvarnished thoughts as possible; other than any other considerations, it's usually hard to analyze .
This year’s Conservative Party Conference will mark a new chapter in our history. I will be stepping down as Chairman in the coming months, and this Conference will be the last that I am involved in organising. I plan to make it memorable.
This year’s Conservative Party Conference will mark a new chapter in our history. I will be stepping down as Chairman in the coming months, and this Conference will be the last that I am involved in organising. I plan to make it memorable.
Gove likely to find he has just crowned May who will be less Brexit than Boris would have been.
May said only that there was a need for "more Immigration control" not the same system for EU and Non -EU immigrants.
Also May likely to appoint Hammond as Chancellor or Foreign Sec and maybe even keep Osborne in a top job.
Could have PM, Chancellor and Foreign Sec as Remainers.
We have to look after the 48%. It's that simple. Leavers had diverse motives that are likely to be hard to pin down. Remain is simple; they wanted to cling to nurse (whether that's due to inertia, fear or affection doesn't really matter).
Disagree. Boris would have been less Brexit than May.
So, if that should have made a difference, you are saying that this country's entire destiny should have been dictated by the prospective actions of 237 of its most despicable and disgusting inhabitants?
No
I am saying, as I said all along, that the Leave campaign was explicitly xenophobic, and that their win has legitimised these criminal acts in the minds of those committing them
And the Brexiteers who cheered so loudly are in denial about the cost of their "victory"
No it wasn't.
People like that just exist, and behave like that. There'd be ten times that spike in hate crimes if Germany beat us on penalties in the Euro finals (well done Iceland!) The trick is for the police and courts to keep on top of them, not to let them dictate our macropolitical destiny.
And with the economy booming, the Brexiteers can also pretend this isn't happening
@krishgm: More than 300 hate crime incidents compared to a weekly average of 63 new figures from the National Police Chiefs' Council show
So, if that should have made a difference, you are saying that this country's entire destiny should have been dictated by the prospective actions of 237 of its most despicable and disgusting inhabitants?
No. Brexit should should have been argued on it's merits rather than whipping up Xenophobia.
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is ANYONE in politics not resigning this week', other than JC?
Afternoon folks. Since I last posted around this time last week when I suggested Leave were still very much in it based on the nature and quantity of hitherto previously unseen voters turning up at my local polling station I see there have been a few minor developments. In the latest I have to say I have no idea how Tory members will react. However personally I am far from impressed by Gove's behaviour and my vote together with in all probabilty the other two members of my immediate family who are members of the Tory party will now go to Leadsom in the admittedly unlikely event she makes it to the final run-off.
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I tuned out of politics after Boris, what has Jezza done today (shudders)?
He's attacked anti-semitism, saying that being Jewish doesn't mean you are responsible for Netanyahu any more than being Muslim means that you're responsible for Islamic groups. Judge for yourself: the key extract is in the blog here, with Chakrabarti's comments.
It's been (falsely) claimed that he compared Israel to ISIS, and I suspect that some of the reactions are based on that.
There's a separate issue that an MP in the audience says she was insulted by someone else in the audience and Corbyn didn't intervene - I don't know the details of that.
"...over three quarters of Conservative-held constituencies voted to Leave, and seven in ten Labour-held constituencies.
Although Labour as a party is very much more favourable to the EU than the Conservative party, the same cannot be said of the constituencies it holds."
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
If Sarah Vine didn't realise David Cameron would resign if Leave won, she must have a brain the size of a pea. Cameron has charisma. Theresa May has charisma. Gove doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get into the top two.
The weird thing about Mr Cameron's resignation, is that he insisted on the 'please don't go' letter from everyone before he resigned. What was the point of that?
Great works are going to be produced in future generations about the events of the last week. It has been utterly compelling drama with the most extraordinary twists.
Should 172 MPs be able to subvert the will of the 500,000 party members
Yes or No
No
Yes. We elect representatives to take decisions on our behalf, not to commit us to a course of action from what might have been years ago, when the situation may have changed dramatically, particualrly when the win of those members cannot be assumed to be the same now as it was then (though it could be so).
Those 172 MPs are in parliament to serve their constituents.
Yes they are - and it is their responsibility to decide how best to serve their constituents, and if their constituents don't like how they do it they can vote them out. There is no way for them to reliably know what would be most popular with the majority of their constituents, and even if they did, that might not be what was best for them.
I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
Im wondering how long it is before the men in grey suits persuade the others to drop out. The only credible challenger to Boris has gone and presumably for the other four it is just a case of negotiating a decent cabinet role.
Still quite cant fathom out Gove though. He dosent come across as Brutus, but then neither did Howe. Can't help thinking that there must be more to this than politics?
I posted yesterday that Corbyn was a man of unimpeachable integrity and that's not always a virtue.
Based on everything I've read, Gove is a man of unimpeachable principle, who has the courage of his convictions. That's not always a virtue either. He's shown little hesitation in serially stabbing Cameron and then Johnson.
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
I definitely see Mrs G pulling the strings here. not an attractive prospect.
Read the Barchester novels - Mrs Proudie is back and like her hubby, Gove is a very little man.
Gove likely to find he has just crowned May who will be less Brexit than Boris would have been.
May said only that there was a need for "more Immigration control" not the same system for EU and Non -EU immigrants.
Also May likely to appoint Hammond as Chancellor or Foreign Sec and maybe even keep Osborne in a top job.
Could have PM, Chancellor and Foreign Sec as Remainers.
We have to look after the 48%. It's that simple. Leavers had diverse motives that are likely to be hard to pin down. Remain is simple; they wanted to cling to nurse (whether that's due to inertia, fear or affection doesn't really matter).
do you think a nurse's uniform would help Ms May's chances?
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
If Sarah Vine didn't realise David Cameron would resign if Leave won, she must have a brain the size of a pea. Cameron has charisma. Theresa May has charisma. Gove doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get into the top two.
The weird thing about Mr Cameron's resignation, is that he insisted on the 'please don't go' letter from everyone before he resigned. What was the point of that?
Did he insist upon that? I assumed it was done because, particularly with Leavers, they wanted to be able to pretend they hadn't thought he should go, that they were loyal party members.
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
You sound as though you are assuming that had Gove not run, Johnson would have had the leadership in the bag or at least had a good chance of getting it. I am not convinced that is so.
No, I'm convinced Gove thought Boris would've wilted under the glare of the media. That he would have dissembled and back-tracked over promises and resiled over freedom of movement.
Gove likely thinks he'll do a better job in the campaign and will be more forceful in forcing his rivals (with May the likely winner) into sticking with pre-Brexit goals.
In fact if either Gove or May get the gig - it's hard to see past Leadsom as CoftE surely - her experience puts her head and shoulders above any other potential candidate - or am I missing something about May's team / who her 'Osbourne' is behind the scenes that she needs to reward.
TBH Andrea Leadsom is politically very inexperienced to go straight to Chancellor. Phil Hammond would be my guess, someone to calm the markets and also someone who knows all about the detail of departmental spending. Andrea Leadsom could be on the Brexit team, or First Sec to the Treasury.
BIS is where she would so well IMO, and it removes Javid who hasn't been particularly inspiring.
I tuned out of politics after Boris, what has Jezza done today (shudders)?
He's attacked anti-semitism, saying that being Jewish doesn't mean you are responsible for Netanyahu any more than being Muslim means that you're responsible for Islamic groups. Judge for yourself: the key extract is in the blog here, with Chakrabarti's comments.
It's been (falsely) claimed that he compared Israel to ISIS, and I suspect that some of the reactions are based on that.
There's a separate issue that an MP in the audience says she was insulted by someone else in the audience and Corbyn didn't intervene - I don't know the details of that.
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
If Sarah Vine didn't realise David Cameron would resign if Leave won, she must have a brain the size of a pea. Cameron has charisma. Theresa May has charisma. Gove doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get into the top two.
The weird thing about Mr Cameron's resignation, is that he insisted on the 'please don't go' letter from everyone before he resigned. What was the point of that?
Did he insist upon that? I assumed it was done because, particularly with Leavers, they wanted to be able to pretend they hadn't thought he should go, that they were loyal party members.
I think Tim Shipman reported it being hawked around in the last week of the campaign. (and no-one signing it) It's all very odd.
Gove likely to find he has just crowned May who will be less Brexit than Boris would have been.
May said only that there was a need for "more Immigration control" not the same system for EU and Non -EU immigrants.
Also May likely to appoint Hammond as Chancellor or Foreign Sec and maybe even keep Osborne in a top job.
Could have PM, Chancellor and Foreign Sec as Remainers.
We have to look after the 48%. It's that simple. Leavers had diverse motives that are likely to be hard to pin down. Remain is simple; they wanted to cling to nurse (whether that's due to inertia, fear or affection doesn't really matter).
do you think a nurse's uniform would help Ms May's chances?
I'll be...I'll be right back. Just going for a lie down.
The weird thing about Mr Cameron's resignation, is that he insisted on the 'please don't go' letter from everyone before he resigned. What was the point of that?
Setting up his stall for the history books, obviously.
Cameron always was in marketing. Even of shoddy goods.
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I tuned out of politics after Boris, what has Jezza done today (shudders)?
He's attacked anti-semitism, saying that being Jewish doesn't mean you are responsible for Netanyahu any more than being Muslim means that you're responsible for Islamic groups. Judge for yourself: the key extract is in the blog here, with Chakrabarti's comments.
It's been (falsely) claimed that he compared Israel to ISIS, and I suspect that some of the reactions are based on that.
There's a separate issue that an MP in the audience says she was insulted by someone else in the audience and Corbyn didn't intervene - I don't know the details of that.
This year’s Conservative Party Conference will mark a new chapter in our history. I will be stepping down as Chairman in the coming months, and this Conference will be the last that I am involved in organising. I plan to make it memorable.
Hammond was lined up to be Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 2010 if no Coalition.
He declared very early for Theresa so must have a very good chance of Chancellor - especially as a Leave supporter would be in charge of the Govt dept doing the negotiations.
Has Hammond declared? Guido suggests he hasn't.
Apologies - read it too quickly - Stephen Hammond has declared for May - not Philip.
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
You sound as though you are assuming that had Gove not run, Johnson would have had the leadership in the bag or at least had a good chance of getting it. I am not convinced that is so.
But the point s good: Bojo really WAS underperforming, very badly, at the worst time. The week after the vote was crucial. He needed to be out there, on TV, visible, and in the Commons, explaining how great it all was, reassuring everyong, being Churchill in the Blitz, cheering us all up. That's his USP.
Yet he vanished, and he vanished so as to conspire. And then he wrote that terrible column, which he then disowned. At the most crucial moment, he was found very badly wanting.
It's a shame, he is a highly clever man. But if he flakes out in tough situations, do we want us leading us during Brexit? Nope.
It won't do. We hoped for Boris, a wonderful cheerful Falstaff with brains. Now we have a choice between a witch and a bespectacled serial killer.
May wants Single Market, and Free Movement but ONLY for people with job offers. Seems perfectly fair to me. It stops entire Romanian families (I'm sorry to be specific) coming over here and sleeping under the North Circular.
How exactly? Unless we're also going to require tourist visas for Romanians which is not remotely on the cards.
I would suggest one further twist in this whole saga.
I still reckon Gove doesn't want to be PM. On that basis I reckon he is waiting for the right moment to pull out and effectively hand the win to May.
Obviously I could easily be completely wrong but that is just the feeling I get.
Im wondering how long it is before the men in grey suits persuade the others to drop out. The only credible challenger to Boris has gone and presumably for the other four it is just a case of negotiating a decent cabinet role.
Still quite cant fathom out Gove though. He dosent come across as Brutus, but then neither did Howe. Can't help thinking that there must be more to this than politics?
I posted yesterday that Corbyn was a man of unimpeachable integrity and that's not always a virtue.
Based on everything I've read, Gove is a man of unimpeachable principle, who has the courage of his convictions. That's not always a virtue either. He's shown little hesitation in serially stabbing Cameron and then Johnson.
He has a wife behind him just as ambitious as she is. She also wants to live in No.10 as Sam has done.
I definitely see Mrs G pulling the strings here. not an attractive prospect.
Read the Barchester novels - Mrs Proudie is back and like her hubby, Gove is a very little man.
So I think we know May is the continuity candidate. Isn't the question now which candidate betrayed Boris throws his weight behind? Leadsom? Someone as yet undeclared?
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
You sound as though you are assuming that had Gove not run, Johnson would have had the leadership in the bag or at least had a good chance of getting it. I am not convinced that is so.
But the point s good: Bojo really WAS underperforming, very badly, at the worst time. The week after the vote was crucial. He needed to be out there, on TV, visible, and in the Commons, explaining how great it all was, reassuring everyong, being Churchill in the Blitz, cheering us all up. That's his USP.
Yet he vanished, and he vanished so as to conspire. And then he wrote that terrible column, which he then disowned. At the most crucial moment, he was found very badly wanting.
It's a shame, he is a highly clever man. But if he flakes out in tough situations, do we want us leading us during Brexit? Nope.
It won't do. We hoped for Boris, a wonderful cheerful Falstaff with brains. Now we have a choice between a witch and a bespectacled serial killer.
I tuned out of politics after Boris, what has Jezza done today (shudders)?
He's attacked anti-semitism, saying that being Jewish doesn't mean you are responsible for Netanyahu any more than being Muslim means that you're responsible for Islamic groups. Judge for yourself: the key extract is in the blog here, with Chakrabarti's comments.
It's been (falsely) claimed that he compared Israel to ISIS, and I suspect that some of the reactions are based on that.
There's a separate issue that an MP in the audience says she was insulted by someone else in the audience and Corbyn didn't intervene - I don't know the details of that.
I think there are many whose position is that Israel can do no wrong. In fact, any criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. I cannot understand what the fuss is if , as reported, he said what he said.
"Jewish reporters who were there are very clear about what they heard. "
So, how come non-Jewish reporters did not hear that ? That is the implication of the above sentence.
Hammond was lined up to be Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 2010 if no Coalition.
He declared very early for Theresa so must have a very good chance of Chancellor - especially as a Leave supporter would be in charge of the Govt dept doing the negotiations.
Has Hammond declared? Guido suggests he hasn't.
Apologies - read it too quickly - Stephen Hammond has declared for May - not Philip.
Can anyone think of a more ruthless political double-crossing? I have to say that I can't.
I'd prefer double crossing and straight talking to the gutless display of spinelessness which led to Gordon Brown's coronation.
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
You sound as though you are assuming that had Gove not run, Johnson would have had the leadership in the bag or at least had a good chance of getting it. I am not convinced that is so.
But the point s good: Bojo really WAS underperforming, very badly, at the worst time. The week after the vote was crucial. He needed to be out there, on TV, visible, and in the Commons, explaining how great it all was, reassuring everyong, being Churchill in the Blitz, cheering us all up. That's his USP.
Yet he vanished, and he vanished so as to conspire. And then he wrote that terrible column, which he then disowned. At the most crucial moment, he was found very badly wanting.
It's a shame, he is a highly clever man. But if he flakes out in tough situations, do we want us leading us during Brexit? Nope.
It won't do. We hoped for Boris, a wonderful cheerful Falstaff with brains. Now we have a choice between a witch and a bespectacled serial killer.
Another reason I am also very relieved about this exit vote is because a vote for union with the EU would have led, over the next century, to exactly the same problems that the act of Union with Ireland did in 1801, and to the British people deciding on exactly the same solution to end it that the Irish people did, at some point in the next century.
Had Irish MPs and Lords not been successfully threatened and bribed into voting their own parliament out of existence, it would have remained and stood side by side with Australias, Canadas etc. as they formed and Ireland would undoubtably have become a key Dominion, and would now be, like Australia and Canada a member of the Commonwealth with HM Queen as constitutional head of state and little if any of the blood that was spilled after 1801, and alas is still being spilled (although thankfully at a far slower rate than even 20 years ago), would have been spilled.
We have had a very very lucky escape, because the British electorate, unlike the Irish Parliamentarians, said NO.
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Ask the question again in 6 months.
Mr. Meeks, it has been rather dramatic.
As unexpected as Julian the Apostate becoming emperor, as ruthless as Septimius Severus crushing Niger and Albinus.
Who knew?
Next someone will out Elton John, Boy George and Tom Daley ?!? ..
When I was rugby coaching, if a player wasn't performing I'd tell him he wasn't good enough and drop him. Nine times out of ten that player would always strive to over-perform to get back into the side and prove me wrong.
It was the way I was treated as a player and my players expected the same. It was better for everyone concerned to be brutally honest so we picked the best side. It brought silverware at the end of every season.
Ruthlessness bring success. And we're all still friends.
In politics none of them are friends. So what's the point of keeping one's counsel.
Gove did the right thing for the Tory team.
May said only that there was a need for "more Immigration control" not the same system for EU and Non -EU immigrants.
Also May likely to appoint Hammond as Chancellor or Foreign Sec and maybe even keep Osborne in a top job.
Could have PM, Chancellor and Foreign Sec as Remainers.
Must be still be available somewhere?
First, there was his look of shock and astonishment as he took in the news that LEAVE had actually won the referendum. That told a story different from what the public had been led to expect
Secondly, He did a disappearing act, not taking his place in parliament and hiding, I guess from the MSM.
Thirdly, he operated clandestinely and was secretive, and that let allies to fall away.
All this proves to me that the main stream parties will never act in Britain's interest, that the Tories under May or Gove will never negotiate with the EU like they are from an independent nation, and that a party like UKIP is required to take this country forward; although UKIP itself needs to be under new management.
I.E. The triplet.
titters
And don't fall into the mistake of your opponents and pretending UKIP is not a main stream party - you are. It's the same trap as dismissing media one doesn't like as 'mainstream', it's just a label.
Our politicians were burying their heads in the sand about the issue that a very significant part of the population is hugely exercised - and for good reason. It has forced their housing costs up and wages down.
Frankly if this referendum had not made the penny drop in a peaceful manner I dread to think what would have happened to the Queens Peace over the next 20 years.
If some neanderthals have decided the current climate means they think they can get away with attacking minorities then that is to be condemned and for knacker to deal with. But I suspect it is a vicarage tea party compared with what I fear may have happened, or whatdemagogue may have got into power in. a few years if the issue had been left to fester.
Thanks to the good sense of the British public and refusal to be intimidated by the threats of doom against them we have been delivered both from colonisation by a supranational and ruinous unelected socialist government and from a ruinous and divisive social policy
Some things don´t change, do they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-J34mt07KQ
("Victory in Europe" for our youngsters)
This year’s Conservative Party Conference will mark a new chapter in our history. I will be stepping down as Chairman in the coming months, and this Conference will be the last that I am involved in organising. I plan to make it memorable.
People like that just exist, and behave like that. There'd be ten times that spike in hate crimes if Germany beat us on penalties in the Euro finals (well done Iceland!) The trick is for the police and courts to keep on top of them, not to let them dictate our macropolitical destiny.
https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/748513105710321664
Gove likely thinks he'll do a better job in the campaign and will be more forceful in forcing his rivals (with May the likely winner) into sticking with pre-Brexit goals.
Laura K
Several sources say Gove quit because Johnson wouldn't agree to @odysseanproject, Dominic Cummings taking senior role in No 10
Dominic Cummings near number 10. That's mental.
Setting up his stall for the history books, obviously.
Cameron always was in marketing. Even of shoddy goods.
@msmithsonpb: BBC News channel coverage of CON contest is one great Theresa May fest. When are the others like Leadson going to get a look in?
Not my perfect pick but surely has to be May ! (This is hope, not betting)
"Jewish reporters who were there are very clear about what they heard. "
So, how come non-Jewish reporters did not hear that ? That is the implication of the above sentence.
The world has gone made.
I'm hoping for Number 10 Chief of Staff or Director of Communications, just think of all the subtle pop music references in their speeches.
Gove's intervention has probably ensured May's victory.
Gonna love the puns for PM May.
"May the force be with you."
"May - you live in interesting times."
etc
Had Irish MPs and Lords not been successfully threatened and bribed into voting their own parliament out of existence, it would have remained and stood side by side with Australias, Canadas etc. as they formed and Ireland would undoubtably have become a key Dominion, and would now be, like Australia and Canada a member of the Commonwealth with HM Queen as constitutional head of state and little if any of the blood that was spilled after 1801, and alas is still being spilled (although thankfully at a far slower rate than even 20 years ago), would have been spilled.
We have had a very very lucky escape, because the British electorate, unlike the Irish Parliamentarians, said NO.