1) Boris Johnson. Hahahaha. I've always like BoJo as a character, but his political machinations have meant I could not supprt him politically (see my comments over the last couple of years). I often feel a little sorry for people whose politcal ambitions come crashing down: at least they've had the courage to try, which is more than I can say about myself. In this case, I don't fee sorry one bit. Hahahahahaha.
2) A slightly altered version of something a friend posted on FB this morning, now sadly slightly out of date: "An Eagle, a Crab and a Fox are standing for elections. Sadly, there May be a Hunt coming after them."
3) Very off-topic: My sister flew out to Sweden for the day yesterday to go wild boar shooting in a cinema with live ammunition. As an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VROTBMZX38 The images are projected onto a large roll of paper, and infrared cameras detect when/where a bullet hits and freezes the projection and shows where you hit. It looks great fun, and no animals were hurt.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 6m6 minutes ago Labour talk of pressure on Clive Lewis to run from that wing of the party if Jeremy Corbyn's persuaded/allowed to stand down
Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
She's the longest-serving Home Secretary in recent history (a while back I posted on the next-longest, but cannot remember). She's survived in an office that it notorious for grinding the reputations of prominent politicians. Yes, shes had failures, but she's also survived.
Part of that survival is down to Cameron's reluctance to reshuffle, but much of it must be down to her own skills.
The fact she's served in that position for so long, and wants more power, says there's some iron in her spine.
Theresa May will indeed almost certainly win ... but ...
... I'm sure I'm not the only one having a wry smile over a 'what does the market predict' thread. It's almost as much a kiss of death as getting Eddie Izzard's support.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
I too am bemused. I have no special insight but I feel her complete invisibility in the referendum campaign means that people are now just projecting their wishes onto her as she is a blank slate.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
Rowing back on her pledge re ECHR. Hiding during the campaign. She claimed she'd been out making the cases for Remain. I've not seen a single report re her doing this.
The more I consider her - the more I don't trust her. She's been playing silly buggers for months and months. Her anti-immigration speech was a clear leadership bid way back when, then she jumped to Remain. It's all too much of a game re her career.
I can write-off some triangulation/positioning - but she's far too inconsistent.
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
Don't think Crabb and Fox won't get in the final two, it's a question of which of the other three fails to make it to the membership. Probably between Gove and Leadsom.
Lot of jokes on Twitter about "remember when we were in the Bullingdon Club Dave, and used to smash up restaurants and then let someone else clear up the mess..."
Don't think Crabb and Fox won't get in the final two, it's a question of which of the other three fails to make it to the membership. Probably between Gove and Leadsom.
Iff May gets on the final ballot, I think she wins. I'm not sufficiently clued in on the PCP to know what her chances of achieving that are.
Don't think Crabb and Fox won't get in the final two, it's a question of which of the other three fails to make it to the membership. Probably between Gove and Leadsom.
Iff May gets on the final ballot, I think she wins. I'm not sufficiently clued in on the PCP to know what her chances of achieving that are.
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
I can see May treating Art 50 just like Dave did with Heathrow.
Never making a decision, always delaying.
But May has promised to respect the vote. Difficult to row back from that.
I guess what she could do is: try to negotiate with Europe on Free Movement, get some emergency brake inside the EU, then return with that, and call an election. Where she would likely win.
Big Ask, tho. However the EU is freaked by our potential departure....
shes setting up a Department for Brexit with a Leaver at the helm, be difficult to row back from that I would have thought, her words this morning Brexit is Brexit, clear majority, high turnout, no wriggle room
Remainers hoping for a last minute reprieve will almost certainly be disappointed, but I wouldn't take comments or plans made right now as gospel. Only fools, the deluded and those who just don't care would suggest not brexiting now, not respecting the will of the people. Even the LDs are only saying they want to rejoin, officially.
The question would be would there be any rolling back in the next few months, assuming article 50 is not declared soon, which would given an opportunity to Remain after all. Something significant would have to change to make that viable, where it is not now.
I would back at almost any odds that that will not happen, it requires too much contrivance and coincidental occurrences lining up, but everyone now needs to appear on board with leaving even if they were remainers,so they can survive long enough to take advantage should the improbable occur and an opportunity to remain after all emerges.
@KateProctorYP: Source quote of the hour! "Gove so stained in blood even by Tory Party standards it's hard to see how he can come back from this." #yplive
@KateProctorYP: Source quote of the hour! "Gove so stained in blood even by Tory Party standards it's hard to see how he can come back from this." #yplive
Maybe Leadsom will be second favourite by the end of the day.
G-Live: - Labour MP Ruth Smeeth has urged Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately, accusing him of a “catastrophic failure of leadership”, after he failed to defend her when she was abused at the launch of a report into antisemitism in the party. In a statement she said:
"I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a ‘media conspiracy’. It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms [Shami] Chakrabarti’s report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing."
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
G-Live: - Labour MP Ruth Smeeth has urged Jeremy Corbyn to resign immediately, accusing him of a “catastrophic failure of leadership”, after he failed to defend her when she was abused at the launch of a report into antisemitism in the party. In a statement she said:
"I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a ‘media conspiracy’. It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms [Shami] Chakrabarti’s report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing."
Are there any political journalists about without skin in the game these days ? Hodges has a very clear agenda with regards to Corbyn.
Even sketch writers like Michael Deacon have gone full partisan over Brexit - he told Mrs Gove to eff off in block caps on Twitter. It's completely bizarre.
Fwiw I too had qualms about Mrs May. Apparently she has no sense of humour which is probably the biggest indictment of all.
However, her pro Brexit speech this morning allayed some of my fears even if it is politicking.
I thought Boris was piss poor the morning after victory. It looked like a funeral procession: completely failed to grasp the moment and in so doing probably revealed his true nature.
It's a good field though goodness knows how Liam Fox doesn't understand his own hubris.
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
It would seriously change the situation, though, if it looked like the Conservatives would lose any election held. They'd be constrained both by their tiny majority and fears of MPs in marginals.
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
The people have spoken on Brexit...
So both parties seek to elect a Remainer as leader.
The membership have spoken on Corbyn...
So the MP's that didn't want him in the first place force him out.
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
Leave = 17.5m voters.
?
Don't underestimate First Past the Post!
I am always hazy on FPTP, etc. Not sure if there is a good website where there might be an article on it all?
I can write-off some triangulation/positioning - but she's far too inconsistent.
That really was LOL, Ms Plato: Boris supporter, former Cameron supporter, accusing Theresa May of inconsistency!
The contortions of some Leavers on here today have been quite remarkable - and the thought that #Ozzy could be behind it all pulling the strings is tearing them to pieces
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
It would seriously change the situation, though, if it looked like the Conservatives would lose any election held. They'd be constrained both by their tiny majority and fears of MPs in marginals.
That's what Sean is saying I think – no GE until 2020
Are there any political journalists about without skin in the game these days ? Hodges has a very clear agenda with regards to Corbyn.
Even sketch writers like Michael Deacon have gone full partisan over Brexit - he told Mrs Gove to eff off in block caps on Twitter. It's completely bizarre.
Mr Deacon's extensive coverage of Farage no doubt helped Brexit win in a little way, it's pretty funny he is now having a meltdown. Obviously he's more suited to being at the Guardian than the Telegraph but whatever pays his bills
@ProfChalmers: Given recent events, I'm wondering how many signatures I could get on a petition calling for the Chilcot Report to be delayed.
Could we just bring it forward to Monday so Corbyn can say his piece and then resign....
The idea that Labour / Eagle / Watson / whoever is allowing Corbyn his moment on Chilcot, after which he'll stand down is just about the last legitimate one for the continued inaction. Even so, I don't think it's enough. Corbyn could have been challenged and still responded to Chilcot in the House.
The thing is, Corbyn might actually do quite well on Chilcot. For once, it's a subject he'll know well, be in tune with the public on and can take a battering ram to the Blairites. That will not only motivate his base but probably cause a few waverers to give him a bit more time "now that he's shown us what he can do". Of course, he could fluff it too, drone on for too long and wander off topic on to nuclear weapons, Syria or more contentious ground.
Still, at this rate the Tory leadership contest will be over before Labour's has begun.
"Jeremy Corbyn has turned the Labour Party into a personality cult" I keep reading from party members utterly faithful to and endless defenders of The Blessed Tony (for it is He).
Tory bloodbath until the referendum. Labour bloodbath since then, until this morning when Gove assassinated Boris. Jezza tries to blow his own head off over Israel/IS leaving just Milne propping up the still twitching political corpse.
And next week we have the relative calm of two rounds of Tory Leadership votes, probably Labour leadership hustings, more "WHATTHEFUCKDOWEDONOW" action on the EU. And of course the Chilcott Enquiry.
And to think some people wanted me to vote Remain. And miss all this?
The contortions of some Leavers on here today have been quite remarkable - and the thought that #Ozzy could be behind it all pulling the strings is tearing them to pieces
Just wait till he delivers the "punishment" budget in the Autumn...
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
It would seriously change the situation, though, if it looked like the Conservatives would lose any election held. They'd be constrained both by their tiny majority and fears of MPs in marginals.
Might just concentrate enough Tory minds to get the revised boundaries passed though....
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
Leave = 17.5m voters.
?
Don't underestimate First Past the Post!
I am always hazy on FPTP, etc. Not sure if there is a good website where there might be an article on it all?
I believe the next thread is by TSE exulting the virtues of FPTP compared to other electoral counting systems...
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
Leave = 17.5m voters.
?
Don't underestimate First Past the Post!
I am always hazy on FPTP, etc. Not sure if there is a good website where there might be an article on it all?
I can certainly point you to one will you can indulge to your heart's content on AV!
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
EUR64,000 question:
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
Leave = 17.5m voters.
?
Don't underestimate First Past the Post!
I am always hazy on FPTP, etc. Not sure if there is a good website where there might be an article on it all?
I can certainly point you to one where you can indulge to your heart's content on AV!
BorisIsCrap is an odd phenomenon to me, not because I think he genuinely wanted Brexit, it's just that I had genuine faith that he could bullshit and cheerlead his way out of anything. You're Boris. You didn't want Brexit. Brexit has happened. What do you do? I'd go out on a zipwire with a couple of union jacks and just be Boris. That's really all the country needs for the moment - a dose of brash optimism. The clouds are dissipating naturally anyway, but why Boris had to come out looking like someone had stolen all his sugarpuffs is anyone's guess.
What a crock of shit. People are really losing their heads over this.
The least surprising response of the day.
Some MP no-one's heard of is accused by someone else of being in league with those against Corbyn. The whole world seems to be against Corbyn at the moment, so she's hardly being singled out.
She squeaks "But I'm Jewish!" [did anyone know or care?] and because Corbyn didn't "intervene" in some ruck going on in the audience, he's now AntiSemite-in-Chief.
@ProfChalmers: Given recent events, I'm wondering how many signatures I could get on a petition calling for the Chilcot Report to be delayed.
Could we just bring it forward to Monday so Corbyn can say his piece and then resign....
The idea that Labour / Eagle / Watson / whoever is allowing Corbyn his moment on Chilcot, after which he'll stand down is just about the last legitimate one for the continued inaction. Even so, I don't think it's enough. Corbyn could have been challenged and still responded to Chilcot in the House.
The thing is, Corbyn might actually do quite well on Chilcot. For once, it's a subject he'll know well, be in tune with the public on and can take a battering ram to the Blairites. That will not only motivate his base but probably cause a few waverers to give him a bit more time "now that he's shown us what he can do". Of course, he could fluff it too, drone on for too long and wander off topic on to nuclear weapons, Syria or more contentious ground.
Still, at this rate the Tory leadership contest will be over before Labour's has begun.
Unless Chilcot doesn't say what he wants it to say. He might respond to what he thinks it says, rather than what it does say.
Mind you, I think many of us will be doing the same.
I just don't understand the sudden enthusiasm for May.Unprincipled on the referendum,terrible record on non-EU immigration,13000 foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
Rowing back on her pledge re ECHR. Hiding during the campaign. She claimed she'd been out making the cases for Remain. I've not seen a single report re her doing this.
The more I consider her - the more I don't trust her. She's been playing silly buggers for months and months. Her anti-immigration speech was a clear leadership bid way back when, then she jumped to Remain. It's all too much of a game re her career.
I can write-off some triangulation/positioning - but she's far too inconsistent.
Weren't you ready to vote for Boris just a few hours ago?
SeanT said: Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
It would seriously change the situation, though, if it looked like the Conservatives would lose any election held. They'd be constrained both by their tiny majority and fears of MPs in marginals.
That's what Sean is saying I think – no GE until 2020
Worth noting that LEAVE have a c. 200-seat majority under FPTP. Labour coming out wholeheartedly for the EU would be a further retreat into our biggest cities. Though it would also uselessly get them up to 5-10k across large chunks of the South East.
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Charlie Falconer is out...
Of Wimbledon. Just Murray and May left in to keep GB flag flying,
http://order-order.com/2016/06/30/jewish-labour-mp-abused-corbyn-anti-semitism-event/
1) Boris Johnson. Hahahaha. I've always like BoJo as a character, but his political machinations have meant I could not supprt him politically (see my comments over the last couple of years). I often feel a little sorry for people whose politcal ambitions come crashing down: at least they've had the courage to try, which is more than I can say about myself. In this case, I don't fee sorry one bit.
Hahahahahaha.
2) A slightly altered version of something a friend posted on FB this morning, now sadly slightly out of date: "An Eagle, a Crab and a Fox are standing for elections. Sadly, there May be a Hunt coming after them."
3) Very off-topic: My sister flew out to Sweden for the day yesterday to go wild boar shooting in a cinema with live ammunition. As an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VROTBMZX38
The images are projected onto a large roll of paper, and infrared cameras detect when/where a bullet hits and freezes the projection and shows where you hit.
It looks great fun, and no animals were hurt.
4) Does anyone believe this isn't a cover-up?
"Chakrabarti inquiry: Labour not overrun by anti-Semitism"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672022
Told Milne is the only one now standing between Corbyn and resignation.
Maybe he was never very happy at the Guardian.
foreign criminals allowed to remain in the UK ,appalling deterioration in security and standards in the Prison service, snoopers charter,knee jerk and inconsistent reactions on banning people from the UK etc .I just cannot believe the Tory rank and file will go for her with all this baggage.
Mein Kopf tut weh.
(I got a GCSE in German!)
https://twitter.com/euanmccolm/status/748513105710321664
Stephen Pollard @stephenpollard · 19m19 minutes ago
Remember how Jan Royall's report was supposed to be published with Chakrabarti? No sign of it.
Labour talk of pressure on Clive Lewis to run from that wing of the party if Jeremy Corbyn's persuaded/allowed to stand down
Chaos is a ladder.
Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again.
The fall breaks them.
And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse.
They cling to the realm or the gods or love.
Illusions.
Only the ladder is real.
The climb is all there is.
We are living Game of Thrones.
While Boris led from the front during the referendum campaign, travelled the country working 14 hrs a day, week after week, where was May?
Was Smeeth a loyalist? (i.e. not part of the rebellion)
Told Labour press officers saying they will not work future Corbyn events.
Labour press office mutiny.
Part of that survival is down to Cameron's reluctance to reshuffle, but much of it must be down to her own skills.
The fact she's served in that position for so long, and wants more power, says there's some iron in her spine.
... I'm sure I'm not the only one having a wry smile over a 'what does the market predict' thread. It's almost as much a kiss of death as getting Eddie Izzard's support.
The more I consider her - the more I don't trust her. She's been playing silly buggers for months and months. Her anti-immigration speech was a clear leadership bid way back when, then she jumped to Remain. It's all too much of a game re her career.
I can write-off some triangulation/positioning - but she's far too inconsistent.
SeanT said:
Just realised there may not be a GE til 2020 now.
Corbyn is on the verge of quitting. He's having a breakdown. He's 60-something. The ISIS Israel thing, eeek.
So he goes. Labour get a decent leader who campaigns on REMAIN and renegotiate. In that situation LABOUR could get millions and millions of scared REMAIN voters, taking dozens of Tory seats (as Tories would be saying OUT), the last Lib Dem seats, maybe some SNP seats (as people so scared of leaving EU). Yes Labour would lose seats by the dozen to UKIP, but it won't matter if they get 10m REMAIN voters.
In that light, the Tories simply won't call an election, citing FTPA.
The question would be would there be any rolling back in the next few months, assuming article 50 is not declared soon, which would given an opportunity to Remain after all. Something significant would have to change to make that viable, where it is not now.
I would back at almost any odds that that will not happen, it requires too much contrivance and coincidental occurrences lining up, but everyone now needs to appear on board with leaving even if they were remainers,so they can survive long enough to take advantage should the improbable occur and an opportunity to remain after all emerges.
"I was verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter who used traditional antisemitic slurs to attack me for being part of a ‘media conspiracy’. It is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms [Shami] Chakrabarti’s report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing."
BBC – Labour ‘not overrun by anti-Semitism’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672022
If it had been ant other party would we have a headline like that?
GE win by Back into EU Party = 11m voters. Call it 13m..or 15m.
Leave = 17.5m voters.
?
The next eighteen months will be spent lining up the replacement deals with the rest of the world and using them as insurance/leverage with the EU.
However, her pro Brexit speech this morning allayed some of my fears even if it is politicking.
I thought Boris was piss poor the morning after victory. It looked like a funeral procession: completely failed to grasp the moment and in so doing probably revealed his true nature.
It's a good field though goodness knows how Liam Fox doesn't understand his own hubris.
So both parties seek to elect a Remainer as leader.
The membership have spoken on Corbyn...
So the MP's that didn't want him in the first place force him out.
Democracy eh?
- Guardian
The thing is, Corbyn might actually do quite well on Chilcot. For once, it's a subject he'll know well, be in tune with the public on and can take a battering ram to the Blairites. That will not only motivate his base but probably cause a few waverers to give him a bit more time "now that he's shown us what he can do". Of course, he could fluff it too, drone on for too long and wander off topic on to nuclear weapons, Syria or more contentious ground.
Still, at this rate the Tory leadership contest will be over before Labour's has begun.
Tory bloodbath until the referendum. Labour bloodbath since then, until this morning when Gove assassinated Boris. Jezza tries to blow his own head off over Israel/IS leaving just Milne propping up the still twitching political corpse.
And next week we have the relative calm of two rounds of Tory Leadership votes, probably Labour leadership hustings, more "WHATTHEFUCKDOWEDONOW" action on the EU. And of course the Chilcott Enquiry.
And to think some people wanted me to vote Remain. And miss all this?
May 50% (55%)
Gove 40% (20%)
Leadsom/Crabb/Fox 10% (25%)
Value is on Gove.
So a state educated Tory Prime Minister. Good.
She squeaks "But I'm Jewish!" [did anyone know or care?] and because Corbyn didn't "intervene" in some ruck going on in the audience, he's now AntiSemite-in-Chief.
Total crock.
Mind you, I think many of us will be doing the same.
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-eu-referendum-how-did-westminster-constituencies-vote-283c85cd20e1#.ft7nz88e9