@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
I am looking to buy a flat in the Smoke in a few years for retirement, and fox jr to live in in the meantime. I am looking forward to a lot of those properties under construction flooding the collapsing market. There will be some bargains shortly.
Careful, in the short term it's likely not to be dramatic at anything but the highest level. A few thousand here or there maybe but people just going for something a bit cheaper to be safe.
In a few year's time, however, anything can happen. Relatively likely that the economy goes belly up I would imagine and then you are into pretty significant opportunities.
Behind one is an oft repeated message that didn't resonate with the public and made those who trumpeted it look rather foolish, behind the other two are winning tactics that the wise knew would lead to success
I choose door one.
The host opens door three to reveal "It's the economy, stupid"
I think there is one thing everyone can agree on about the referendum
"It was immigration, stupid"
It was the stupid, voting?
Does that make you feel superior? 42% of Brexiteers are apparently ABs. Lots of us post here.
Is that right? Interesting. I saw that graduates were circa 70% remain and school leavers at 16 were circa the same for leave... cut the cake how you like it doesn't matter now.
I wonder if spurs fans were remain.. course we were!! Which premier league team fan based would be most leave??
AB isn't the same as graduates. Only about 15% of people over 65 are graduates but a lot more are ABs. Obviously the younger people are, the more of an overlap there is between the two.
You are correct. There is a direct correlation between lack or little formal education and voting Leave.
If you are white, aged over 65 and left school at 16- you would have almost certainly voted Brexit. Probably, the degree educated over 65's, a minority, are the ones who were overwhelmingly likely to back Remain.
I read a link earlier.. Churchill said spend 5 minutes talking to a constituent would put you off democracy. The role of politicians is to lead.
Brexit has stoked up the populist sentiment of ill educated and ignorant people. It is easy to do. The genie is out the bottle.
What I can't understand is why people like yourself want to be in the Labour party? Don't you understand what the Labour party is? I remember when I voted Labour in 2005 (purely to stop Michael Howard) my auntie was completely appalled. She couldn't understand why I would want to vote for the party of the dregs of society. Lib Dem would have been fine, she had a soft spot for Charles Kennedy, but Labour was for riff raf. I'd never really thought of it that way, Labour to me was Blair, Brown and Straw. But I just don't understand all these middle class types who clearly have contempt for most of the poor who insist on associating with Labour. Why?
Given the recent history of opinion polling, if I were a newspaper proprietor I'd sack an editor who splashed a poll finding like that. What was it, 144 point font?
Initially I felt sorry he was resigning. Then I remembered the way he pretended to be eurosceptic and wasn't, the way he handled the Remain campaign, and how he thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him is a 'little Englander'. And I thought... no, you brought this upon yourself.
In his resignation he said how much he loved this country. Well, newsflash sunshine, Leavers love this country too.
We're still in Europe. We still love our neighbours. We just don't think the EU is the best way forward.
I'd a speck of sympathy too - and SamCam looking all wobbly lipped.
Then I recalled all the lies, Obama's back-of-the-queue, Nancy's apprenticeship, Blackmail Budget et al.
He brought the temple down on himself. What an epic fail. If he was a sceptic - he'd never have attempted to ram through a crap deal in 3 months - nor loaded the dice so massively against his opponents.
I will never forgive him for watering down the Trades Union Bill in return for £1.5m of Remain campaigning. It's a squalid subversion of our democratic and parliamentary process = naked pork barrelling of the worst kind.
If he had recommended LEAVE back in February, he would still be PM and a national hero!
Well indeed. His Falklands moment. Instead he got a Sheffield Rally.
@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
Loser.
Yes, they lost my money.
We have also all lost the UK.
Your win is falling apart. Suck it up.
Perfectly happy with my win. And even happier listening to the bitching and moaning from your type.
My type being a centrist who has voted for Cameron but now feeling partyless. Without voters like me no government for you (or are you UKIP?)
I've been trying to cover social media, media, TV news and a couple of message boards. The voices for the Union are Kezia, Ming, DavidL, Speedy and a guy on Reddit.
Kezia has hinted that Labour are up for IndyRef2
When did that happen? With or without a mandate for one side?
@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
I am looking to buy a flat in the Smoke in a few years for retirement, and fox jr to live in in the meantime. I am looking forward to a lot of those properties under construction flooding the collapsing market. There will be some bargains shortly.
Careful, in the short term it's likely not to be dramatic at anything but the highest level. A few thousand here or there maybe but people just going for something a bit cheaper to be safe.
In a few year's time, however, anything can happen. Relatively likely that the economy goes belly up I would imagine and then you are into pretty significant opportunities.
I was thinking more like a couple of years time. Fox jr can rent for a bit while things settle.
Given the hysteria at the moment I'm amazed its not higher than that!
Nicola really has to call a snap referendum. Delay would be the worst course of action, she's had two days of playing caution, its time to move.
What did I tell you. Seems that the political establishment in scotland is once again misreading the public mood.
Sturgeon may be risking the Cameron fate if she calls for a referendum and then she loses.
No doubt about it if Sturgeon lost a 2nd Indy Ref they she will be a gonner. They have to be sure about this before going for it and at the moment there is a lot of uncertainty about what the relationship will be between the EU and the UK and therefore between Scotland and rUK if we vote for independence. Also the currency debacle from last time has still to be decided on with neither the £ or the Euro without problems. If nothing else the lack of the plan from the Leave campaign will make people possibly more wary about voting for something without a clear outline of what would happen if the 2nd vote results in Yes winning. Hard to see a referendum being called for before next September but at the moment the chances are that number of No voters who have changed their minds is far more than the number of Yes voters who would not back Indy if it means still being part of the EU (about 1/3 of SNP voters voted leave on Thursday, a few tactically no doubt but many on the more pure independence way of thinking)
Logically the British government would be open to a second scottish referendum if the SNP request one, but only after the conclusion of a Brexit deal with the EU to see if scotland wants to stay in the UK under the new terms agreed with the EU, so that voters know what they are voting for.
A referendum that is rushed will risk certain defeat, in the heat of the moment only 59% support it. But the heat, as Cameron found out, cools off quickly . The anti-SNP camp can easily point that the negotiations between the UK and the EU have not even started, they could promise a proper referendum when the deal is made and for scots to wait and see if they agree with it or not.
if England has just voted to make the UK poorer in the long run
Big IF. We could well be much better in the long run.
Even the Treasury's own forecast, which makes some fairly pessimistic assumptions about leaving the EU, said that the difference by 2030 would be around 6%. So a 31% growth in GDP rather than 37% (which in turn relies on a larger population to reach that number).
On a per capita basis and being a little less pessimistic you reach the level of essentially no appreciable difference.
Now a good Chancellor, a pro-active government, a drive for higher productivity, a push for a much healthier trade balance and we could easily beat those frankly dismally low targets.
IN or OUT of the EU isn't really that economically important. It's all the other stuff that successive governments have failed at that really matters.
I'll be honest. I felt sorry for Remainers. I was surprised to win on Thursday morning. I posted what I hope were sympathetic posts here, on Friday. I've lost, and felt small.
But, really, having read the endless bile and venom from Scott P, EPG, Stark Dawning, Olly T, Tyson, Wiiliam Glenn, Matt, et al, I'll now say, I'm glad you lost. You deserved to lose.
Suck it up, bitches.
Seems to me that some Remainers would rather see the world collapse around us, if that meant they could enjoy the simple narcissistic satisfaction of being proved right.
It seems that to them, the worst possible outcome would be to see the country succeed and even maybe thrive in the future - because that might just mean that one day they might have to admit they were wrong.
It's quite interesting isn't it?
Oh it's undoubtedly true. One social media post I've seen 'I hope Europe PUNISHES us'. Ghastly. Unhealthy self-loathing younger generation.
Agreed, that's nauseating. On the other hand there are plenty
The squeeling from the Europhiles is most enjoyable. I imagine very few actually campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU. Instead they sit behind their keyboards posting endless Twitter links or signing meaningless petitions.
There a plenty of people who voted for Remain who are are simply very worried about the possible financial implications of Brexit. And quite a few repentant Leavers as well it appears. I doubt the Boris and Gove show will have calmed to many fears on Friday. Perhaps you should consider that rather than making snide comments about keyboard warriors.
Clicktivists need to be mocked. I wonder how many of those youngsters signing the petition for a second referendum failed to actually vote in the first?
In what way do immigration rules favour EU migrants ahead of non-EU migrants? That is bullshit. I've hired 5 non-EU migrants over the last 2 years (and 0 EU migrants by the way). The hiring of non-EU migrants is done in consonance with UK Government rules.
@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
Given the recent history of opinion polling, if I were a newspaper proprietor I'd sack an editor who splashed a poll finding like that. What was it, 144 point font?
@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
Loser.
Yes, they lost my money.
We have also all lost the UK.
Your win is falling apart. Suck it up.
Perfectly happy with my win. And even happier listening to the bitching and moaning from your type.
My type being a centrist who has voted for Cameron but now feeling partyless. Without voters like me no government for you (or are you UKIP?)
if England has just voted to make the UK poorer in the long run
Big IF. We could well be much better in the long run.
Even the Treasury's own forecast, which makes some fairly pessimistic assumptions about leaving the EU, said that the difference by 2030 would be around 6%. So a 31% growth in GDP rather than 37% (which in turn relies on a larger population to reach that number).
On a per capita basis and being a little less pessimistic you reach the level of essentially no appreciable difference.
Now a good Chancellor, a pro-active government, a drive for higher productivity, a push for a much healthier trade balance and we could easily beat those frankly dismally low targets.
IN or OUT of the EU isn't really that economically important. It's all the other stuff that successive governments have failed at that really matters.
Outside the amusing PB bubble, the rest of the world is already moving on, with Project Fear being cancelled, as Alistair Heath points out.
I know what PB is missing: Tweets on Indyref polls. Admit it!
sunday herald @newsundayherald 55s55 seconds ago Results of Sunday Herald #indyref2 poll: 80% (34,307) leave UK, 17% (7135) stay, 3% (1269) don't know. Full report in tomorrow's paper
Is that a real poll?! If it were a decent sample it would imply that SNP, Labour, Green, and LD voters were a solid pro-indy bloc and leave only the true blues and staunch Unionists.
I think there is one thing everyone can agree on about the referendum
"It was immigration, stupid"
It was the stupid, voting?
Does that make you feel superior? 42% of Brexiteers are apparently ABs. Lots of us post here.
Is that right? Interesting. I saw that graduates were circa 70% remain and school leavers at 16 were circa the same for leave... cut the cake how you like it doesn't matter now.
I wonder if spurs fans were remain.. course we were!! Which premier league team fan based would be most leave??
AB isn't the same as graduates. Only about 15% of people over 65 are graduates but a lot more are ABs. Obviously the younger people are, the more of an overlap there is between the two.
You are correct. There is a direct correlation between lack or little formal education and voting Leave.
Only because there is a direct correlation between age and the availability of higher education when the person turned 18. Anyone of my age or a little younger who went to university did so when less than 5% of school leavers did so. They went into apprenticeships or work Currently 50% of school levers go to university and I doubt that when they come out they are any more intelligent or sensible than 50% of the population were 30 years ago.
You don't want to trouble his little mind with facts, do you?
I know what PB is missing: Tweets on Indyref polls. Admit it!
sunday herald @newsundayherald 55s55 seconds ago Results of Sunday Herald #indyref2 poll: 80% (34,307) leave UK, 17% (7135) stay, 3% (1269) don't know. Full report in tomorrow's paper
Is that a real poll?! If it were a decent sample it would imply that SNP, Labour, Green, and LD voters were a solid pro-indy bloc and leave only the true blues and staunch Unionists.
I know what PB is missing: Tweets on Indyref polls. Admit it!
sunday herald @newsundayherald 55s55 seconds ago Results of Sunday Herald #indyref2 poll: 80% (34,307) leave UK, 17% (7135) stay, 3% (1269) don't know. Full report in tomorrow's paper
Is that a real poll?! If it were a decent sample it would imply that SNP, Labour, Green, and LD voters were a solid pro-indy bloc and leave only the true blues and staunch Unionists.
It's a voodoo poll.
Thanks. Hope you and Malc are well. Does Dair still post here?
I'll be honest. I felt sorry for Remainers. I was surprised to win on Thursday morning. I posted what I hope were sympathetic posts here, on Friday. I've lost, and felt small.
But, really, having read the endless bile and venom from Scott P, EPG, Stark Dawning, Olly T, Tyson, Wiiliam Glenn, Matt, et al, I'll now say, I'm glad you lost. You deserved to lose.
Suck it up, bitches.
Seems to me that some Remainers would rather see the world collapse around us, if that meant they could enjoy the simple narcissistic satisfaction of being proved right.
It seems that to them, the worst possible outcome would be to see the country succeed and even maybe thrive in the future - because that might just mean that one day they might have to admit they were wrong.
It's quite interesting isn't it?
Oh it's undoubtedly true. One social media post I've seen 'I hope Europe PUNISHES us'. Ghastly. Unhealthy self-loathing younger generation.
Agreed, that's nauseating. On the other hand there are plenty
The squeeling from the Europhiles is most enjoyable. I imagine very few actually campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU. Instead they sit behind their keyboards posting endless Twitter links or signing meaningless petitions.
There a plenty of people who voted for Remain who are are simply very worried about the possible financial implications of Brexit. And quite a few repentant Leavers as well it appears. I doubt the Boris and Gove show will have calmed to many fears on Friday. Perhaps you should consider that rather than making snide comments about keyboard warriors.
Clicktivists need to be mocked. I wonder how many of those youngsters signing the petition for a second referendum failed to actually vote in the first?
Utter scorn is too good for them.
18-24yr 36% TO
Says it all really.
Even 25-34yrs was only 53% TO
You have to be in it to win it.
Many of us oldsters have signed the petition. It isn't over yet. The referendum was only advisory and the result was very close. We are a representative democracy. MPs need to step up and veto this. Boris might be relieved.
I went to Scotland to campaign for No in 2014; if they prefer European to British Union, that is entirely their affair.
The 60 odd million people of England and Wales should not be trapped in the EU because of 5 million Scots. The tail should not wag the dog.
Ditto - I think Scotland should decide its fate.
I remain sceptical that the SNP has conquered the inherent problems of currency, central bank, EU entry shadowing rules et al. Oil revenues have collapsed. So if Scots want to undertake a radical review of public spending to match their ambitions - it's up to them.
It will be very interesting to see if the SoS and Scotsman follow the Record and Herald in seemingly espousing indyref 2. I don't believe it, not for a moment, but if they do, it will be more than significant.
Too early to say without reading, but that's quite a positive or at least neutral front page.
And I'm not sure what Ms Davidson and the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (aka the Ruth D Party) is doing, and Labour in Scotland seem to change their minds daily.
Davidson has taken the only move available to her and said she is completely opposed to indyref2 as laid out in her manifesto.
I'll be honest. I felt sorry for Remainers. I was surprised to win on Thursday morning. I posted what I hope were sympathetic posts here, on Friday. I've lost, and felt small.
But, really, having read the endless bile and venom from Scott P, EPG, Stark Dawning, Olly T, Tyson, Wiiliam Glenn, Matt, et al, I'll now say, I'm glad you lost. You deserved to lose.
Suck it up, bitches.
Seems to me that some Remainers would rather see the world collapse around us, if that meant they could enjoy the simple narcissistic satisfaction of being proved right.
It seems that to them, the worst possible outcome would be to see the country succeed and even maybe thrive in the future - because that might just mean that one day they might have to admit they were wrong.
It's quite interesting isn't it?
Oh it's undoubtedly true. One social media post I've seen 'I hope Europe PUNISHES us'. Ghastly. Unhealthy self-loathing younger generation.
Agreed, that's nauseating. On the other hand there are plenty
The squeeling from the Europhiles is most enjoyable. I imagine very few actually campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU. Instead they sit behind their keyboards posting endless Twitter links or signing meaningless petitions.
There a plenty of people who voted for Remain who are are simply very worried about the possible financial implications of Brexit. And quite a few repentant Leavers as well it appears. I doubt the Boris and Gove show will have calmed to many fears on Friday. Perhaps you should consider that rather than making snide comments about keyboard warriors.
Clicktivists need to be mocked. I wonder how many of those youngsters signing the petition for a second referendum failed to actually vote in the first?
Utter scorn is too good for them.
18-24yr 36% TO
Says it all really.
Even 25-34yrs was only 53% TO
You have to be in it to win it.
Many of us oldsters have signed the petition. It isn't over yet. The referendum was only advisory and the result was very close. We are a representative democracy. MPs need to step up and veto this. Boris might be relieved.
Come off it. You lost. It's over.
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
I'll be honest. I felt sorry for Remainers. I was surprised to win on Thursday morning. I posted what I hope were sympathetic posts here, on Friday. I've lost, and felt small.
But, really, having read the endless bile and venom from Scott P, EPG, Stark Dawning, Olly T, Tyson, Wiiliam Glenn, Matt, et al, I'll now say, I'm glad you lost. You deserved to lose.
Suck it up, bitches.
Seems to me that some Remainers would rather see the world collapse around us, if that meant they could enjoy the simple narcissistic satisfaction of being proved right.
It seems that to them, the worst possible outcome would be to see the country succeed and even maybe thrive in the future - because that might just mean that one day they might have to admit they were wrong.
It's quite interesting isn't it?
Oh it's undoubtedly true. One social media post I've seen 'I hope Europe PUNISHES us'. Ghastly. Unhealthy self-loathing younger generation.
Agreed, that's nauseating. On the other hand there are plenty
The squeeling from the Europhiles is most enjoyable. I imagine very few actually campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU. Instead they sit behind their keyboards posting endless Twitter links or signing meaningless petitions.
There a plenty of people who voted for Remain who are are simply very worried about the possible financial implications of Brexit. And quite a few repentant Leavers as well it appears. I doubt the Boris and Gove show will have calmed to many fears on Friday. Perhaps you should consider that rather than making snide comments about keyboard warriors.
Clicktivists need to be mocked. I wonder how many of those youngsters signing the petition for a second referendum failed to actually vote in the first?
Utter scorn is too good for them.
18-24yr 36% TO
Says it all really.
Even 25-34yrs was only 53% TO
You have to be in it to win it.
Many of us oldsters have signed the petition. It isn't over yet. The referendum was only advisory and the result was very close. We are a representative democracy. MPs need to step up and veto this. Boris might be relieved.
Disgraceful. Shameful. I voted Remain and don't regret it for a moment, but the voters on a 72% turnout decided otherwise. Have you gone mad?
Given the hysteria at the moment I'm amazed its not higher than that!
Nicola really has to call a snap referendum. Delay would be the worst course of action, she's had two days of playing caution, its time to move.
What did I tell you. Seems that the political establishment in scotland is once again misreading the public mood.
Sturgeon may be risking the Cameron fate if she calls for a referendum and then she loses.
No doubt about it if Sturgeon lost a 2nd Indy Ref they she will be a gonner. They have to be sure about this before going for it and at the moment there is a lot of uncertainty about what the relationship will be between the EU and the UK and therefore between Scotland and rUK if we vote for independence. Also the currency debacle from last time has still to be decided on with neither the £ or the Euro without problems. If nothing else the lack of the plan from the Leave campaign will make people possibly more wary about voting for something without a clear outline of what would happen if the 2nd vote results in Yes winning. Hard to see a referendum being called for before next September but at the moment the chances are that number of No voters who have changed their minds is far more than the number of Yes voters who would not back Indy if it means still being part of the EU (about 1/3 of SNP voters voted leave on Thursday, a few tactically no doubt but many on the more pure independence way of thinking)
The SNP do not need that.
They need a number of credible EU voices saying that Scotland will be fast-tracked to inherit the UK membership with UK opt outs and call a snap Referendum this September. It will be overwhelmingly yes.
They can go with "Sterling to start then decide" on currency and it will be perfectly acceptable. The momentum needs to be used not delayed. The only way to stop Scottish Independence is to delay the vote.
I don't think that Scotland will get the opt outs that the UK has. Slightly different for a country of 5 million and a small part to play in the European economy compared to the UK's influence. If Scotland is to join the EU is means the full package which is what might make some SNP supporters have 2nd thoughts. However I agree that if there was a vote held quickly (and I don't think that it could happen before mid October at the very earliest) then YES would win but it would be without a clear plan of exactly what would would happen next, a bit like the leave result.
It will be very interesting to see if the SoS and Scotsman follow the Record and Herald in seemingly espousing indyref 2. I don't believe it, not for a moment, but if they do, it will be more than significant.
Too early to say without reading, but that's quite a positive or at least neutral front page.
And I'm not sure what Ms Davidson and the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (aka the Ruth D Party) is doing, and Labour in Scotland seem to change their minds daily.
Davidson has taken the only move available to her and said she is completely opposed to indyref2 as laid out in her manifesto.
I've heard conflicting reports on Dugdale.
Dugdale is switching sides despite her comments on Indyref 2 until now.
I know what PB is missing: Tweets on Indyref polls. Admit it!
sunday herald @newsundayherald 55s55 seconds ago Results of Sunday Herald #indyref2 poll: 80% (34,307) leave UK, 17% (7135) stay, 3% (1269) don't know. Full report in tomorrow's paper
Is that a real poll?! If it were a decent sample it would imply that SNP, Labour, Green, and LD voters were a solid pro-indy bloc and leave only the true blues and staunch Unionists.
It's a voodoo poll.
Thanks. Hope you and Malc are well. Does Dair still post here?
Fine thanks (and all the evidence points to malc being in rude good health). Dair hasn't posted in a while.
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
LEAVErs are at Bargaining, bargaining with the EU to stay in the EU in all but name, though some are still at Anger, telling people that they are spewing bile before calling them bitches.
Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
It will be very interesting to see if the SoS and Scotsman follow the Record and Herald in seemingly espousing indyref 2. I don't believe it, not for a moment, but if they do, it will be more than significant.
Too early to say without reading, but that's quite a positive or at least neutral front page.
And I'm not sure what Ms Davidson and the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (aka the Ruth D Party) is doing, and Labour in Scotland seem to change their minds daily.
Davidson has taken the only move available to her and said she is completely opposed to indyref2 as laid out in her manifesto.
I've heard conflicting reports on Dugdale.
Thanks. Nice to hear from you again - I saw Pulpstar's post earlier so he is still around too.
I think there is one thing everyone can agree on about the referendum
"It was immigration, stupid"
It was the stupid, voting?
Does that make you feel superior? 42% of Brexiteers are apparently ABs. Lots of us post here.
Is that right? Interesting. I saw that graduates were circa 70% remain and school leavers at 16 were circa the same for leave... cut the cake how you like it doesn't matter now.
I wonder if spurs fans were remain.. course we were!! Which premier league team fan based would be most leave??
AB isn't the same as graduates. Only about 15% of people over 65 are graduates but a lot more are ABs. Obviously the younger people are, the more of an overlap there is between the two.
You are correct. There is a direct correlation between lack or little formal education and voting Leave.
Only because there is a direct correlation between age and the availability of higher education when the person turned 18. Anyone of my age or a little younger who went to university did so when less than 5% of school leavers did so. They went into apprenticeships or work Currently 50% of school levers go to university and I doubt that when they come out they are any more intelligent or sensible than 50% of the population were 30 years ago.
I don't think that is true. The Leave vote maps in several ways geographically, but one way is to the proportion of the population who left school aged 16 or less. We know it maps to CDE groups so that it should not really be a surprise.
Within England and Wales it also maps quite well to the proportion who are on benefits or otherwise economically active. It also maps inversely to areas in receipt of EU funding.
Outside the amusing PB bubble, the rest of the world is already moving on, with Project Fear being cancelled, as Alistair Heath points out.
To be fair the bubble encompasses a lot more than the PB Remainiacs, but yes it's interesting how the financial press is already moving on from the narrative of only 48 hours ago.
I don't think that Scotland will get the opt outs that the UK has. Slightly different for a country of 5 million and a small part to play in the European economy compared to the UK's influence. If Scotland is to join the EU is means the full package which is what might make some SNP supporters have 2nd thoughts. However I agree that if there was a vote held quickly (and I don't think that it could happen before mid October at the very earliest) then YES would win but it would be without a clear plan of exactly what would would happen next, a bit like the leave result.
You're misreading what I said. It doesnt matter if Scotland gets it or not. They just need enough EU high heid yins saying they will.
For the SNP, winning is all that matters. Same for me and a lot of others. Get the vote, get the win, it's doable after that.
Older people on here, how does it feel compared to other periods of instability in recent British history?
I'm 49 and frankly the ERM and 2008 bothered me more. This is a great deal of hysteria inflammed by the media who can't believe we're not as keen on the EU as they are.
I did a quick survey at the parents fundraiser this morning on indy ref 2 and support.
This is in Aberdeen which voted NO in 2014.
20 people asked mostly women 15 now YES; 4 NO; 1 Don't Know.
7 say they had changed No to Yes, 1 from Yes to No.
Interestingly of the 8 people who had voted OUT of Europe 4 were still voting YES. The one who had changed from Yes to No was nothing to do with Europe - she preferred Salmond to Sturgeon!
Just a straw poll but perhaps not out of line with other peoples' experience.
What did I tell you. Seems that the political establishment in scotland is once again misreading the public mood.
Sturgeon may be risking the Cameron fate if she calls for a referendum and then she loses.
No doubt about it if Sturgeon lost a 2nd Indy Ref they she will be a gonner. They have to be sure about this before going for it and at the moment there is a lot of uncertainty about what the relationship will be between the EU and the UK and therefore between Scotland and rUK if we vote for independence. Also the currency debacle from last time has still to be decided on with neither the £ or the Euro without problems. If nothing else the lack of the plan from the Leave campaign will make people possibly more wary about voting for something without a clear outline of what would happen if the 2nd vote results in Yes winning. Hard to see a referendum being called for before next September but at the moment the chances are that number of No voters who have changed their minds is far more than the number of Yes voters who would not back Indy if it means still being part of the EU (about 1/3 of SNP voters voted leave on Thursday, a few tactically no doubt but many on the more pure independence way of thinking)
The SNP do not need that.
They need a number of credible EU voices saying that Scotland will be fast-tracked to inherit the UK membership with UK opt outs and call a snap Referendum this September. It will be overwhelmingly yes.
They can go with "Sterling to start then decide" on currency and it will be perfectly acceptable. The momentum needs to be used not delayed. The only way to stop Scottish Independence is to delay the vote.
I don't think that Scotland will get the opt outs that the UK has. Slightly different for a country of 5 million and a small part to play in the European economy compared to the UK's influence. If Scotland is to join the EU is means the full package which is what might make some SNP supporters have 2nd thoughts. However I agree that if there was a vote held quickly (and I don't think that it could happen before mid October at the very earliest) then YES would win but it would be without a clear plan of exactly what would would happen next, a bit like the leave result.
What have EU got to gain by allowing Scotland in with opt-outs? Don't you think some of the other recent applicants who would love some of the opt-outs might object?
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
LEAVErs are at Bargaining, bargaining with the EU to stay in the EU in all but name, though some are still at Anger, telling people that they are spewing bile before calling them bitches.
Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
Not an MI5 fix but an HMG fix. Cameron rigged it every way he knew how, and still lost - it's a more decisive result that the raw figures imply.
It will be very interesting to see if the SoS and Scotsman follow the Record and Herald in seemingly espousing indyref 2. I don't believe it, not for a moment, but if they do, it will be more than significant.
Too early to say without reading, but that's quite a positive or at least neutral front page.
And I'm not sure what Ms Davidson and the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (aka the Ruth D Party) is doing, and Labour in Scotland seem to change their minds daily.
Davidson has taken the only move available to her and said she is completely opposed to indyref2 as laid out in her manifesto.
I've heard conflicting reports on Dugdale.
Dugdale is switching sides despite her comments on Indyref 2 until now.
On the subject of Conservative leadership elections, anyone know why the one in Canada is taking so amazingly long?
Stephen Harper resigned after the election defeat in November last year but the leadership election isn't until May 2017. Seems very odd to be that long with an interim leader. Must be a different political culture.
I can't see why the Tory party will necessarily have a massive problem.
Most Eurosceptics in the Tory party were driven by high-minded sovereignty issues rather than the baser stuff around foreigners.
When the party regroups around a new leader there's no need for it to pander to the Farage school of thought. The Tories have what they want in bringing powers back from Brussels, if there is a big band of support out there for even less (or zero) immigration then those supporters can support UKIP. There is no need for the Tories to feel obligated to the Kipper vote.
Immigration doesn't bother me. But the idea of uncontrolled immigration did. Not because it was immigration, it couldve been uncontrolled nudity. It was the point of principle that our government - the people we hire and fire - had no say in it.
Politics is damaged enough without politicians being in a position to make more excuses. I want our politicans fully accountable for things that happen here, and let's face it, immigration is clearly a big issue. The Brexit vote was a step towards that.
The only problem with this is that there are quite a few Tory constituencies that had massive Brexit votes and would be vulnerable to UKIP
Boston - 76% leave South Holland -74% Castle Point - 73% Thurrock - 72% Great Yarmouth - 72% Fenland (NE Cambs) - 71% NE Lincs (Cleethorpes) -70% Havering (Hornchurch) - 70% Cannock - 69% Basildon - 69% Harlow - 68% Tamworth - 68% Blackpool - 68% N Warwickshire - 67% Rochford - 67% Kings Lynn (NW Norfolk) - 66% Broxbourne - 66% Nuneaton - 66% Gravesham - 65% Forest Heath (W Suffolk) - 65%
It'd be fascinating to see the marginalish seats where MPs said they were Eurosceptic and then came out for Remain.
My MP Caroline Ansell came out for Brexit very late - Eastbourne went 57% Leave. She didn't campaign for selection on her EU position IIRC.
If your rival in love was boasting of having a 12" cock, would you think it was a good idea to tell everyone he was lying because it was only 7" on the soft?
It might be when you are likely to have to accept 2"
Apparently a little-known MP called George Freeman is planning to stand for the Tory leadership. (BBC News channel).
A Remainer - Minister of Trade - one who thought the EU could be reformed - so a triumph of hope over experience - so inconsequential - but it will give him his moment in the public eye.
However he seems to have tried and give his constituents the opportunity of hearing both sides of the debate - so a fair person.
It will be very interesting to see if the SoS and Scotsman follow the Record and Herald in seemingly espousing indyref 2. I don't believe it, not for a moment, but if they do, it will be more than significant.
Too early to say without reading, but that's quite a positive or at least neutral front page.
And I'm not sure what Ms Davidson and the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party (aka the Ruth D Party) is doing, and Labour in Scotland seem to change their minds daily.
Davidson has taken the only move available to her and said she is completely opposed to indyref2 as laid out in her manifesto.
I've heard conflicting reports on Dugdale.
Dugdale is switching sides despite her comments on Indyref 2 until now.
I think there is one thing everyone can agree on about the referendum
"It was immigration, stupid"
It was the stupid, voting?
Does that make you feel superior? 42% of Brexiteers are apparently ABs. Lots of us post here.
Is that right? Interesting. I saw that graduates were circa 70% remain and school leavers at 16 were circa the same for leave... cut the cake how you like it doesn't matter now.
I wonder if spurs fans were remain.. course we were!! Which premier league team fan based would be most leave??
AB isn't the same as graduates. Only about 15% of people over 65 are graduates but a lot more are ABs. Obviously the younger people are, the more of an overlap there is between the two.
You are correct. There is a direct correlation between lack or little formal education and voting Leave.
Only because there is a direct correlation between age and the availability of higher education when the person turned 18. Anyone of my age or a little younger who went to university did so when less than 5% of school leavers did so. They went into apprenticeships or work Currently 50% of school levers go to university and I doubt that when they come out they are any more intelligent or sensible than 50% of the population were 30 years ago.
I don't think that is true. The Leave vote maps in several ways geographically, but one way is to the proportion of the population who left school aged 16 or less. We know it maps to CDE groups so that it should not really be a surprise.
Within England and Wales it also maps quite well to the proportion who are on benefits or otherwise economically active. It also maps inversely to areas in receipt of EU funding.
Again the leaving school at 16 is a direct age related effect. If you go back to the mid 80s or earlier very few stayed on past 16 to do A levels unless they were hoping for university. At my school we had around 240 kids in each year and 30 or so maximum would stay beyond 16. The further education meme is driven entirely by age difference and the massive change in university entrance numbers.
Unbelievable to see posters like Barnesian saying sod the will of the public, as I don't agree with the result of the referendum Parliament should ignore it. The arrogance is breathtaking.
This is talking about the UK leaving and Scotland staying. It doesn't appear to talk about Scotland separating before Article 50 talks conclude
You don't know what deal Britain will strike with the EU, right now the British incentive would be to include as many goodies for scotland in any deal as possible and hope for the scots to approve it. If the SNP tries to rush things then the incentive reverses, Britain will try to make a deal that is as worse as possible for scotland.
It's a gamble basically, can the SNP trust all the other EU countries that they won't betray them to the British in exchange for favourable terms in the Brexit deal?
For instance Poland and Britain may strike a deal over the status of polish workers in exchange for freezing scotland out of the EU.
@BBCKimGhattas: The Sun, which was pro-Brexit, only now explains to its readers how their wallets will be hit by leaving the EU. https://t.co/TQ8stsqvwj
That's actually pretty gloomy reading from The Sun - the adverse effects of the falling pound and interest-rate hikes are its main concern. The next chancellor will have to be a Leaver for the simple reason that if a Remainer did it he'd be accused of acting out of pique because he lost. Crazy I know but that's where we've got to. I can't see a Remainer occupying a prominent role in British life ever again - too many would hate them and dismiss the integrity of their motives.
Looking at a property this afternoon in West Yorks. I said I was concerned about interest rates going up and estate agent gleefully told me that things are going to be okay now. I pointed out the fall in sterling and got a deafening silence. She offered up the comment 'I bet you can tell how I voted'. Frosty conversation ensued where she refused to accept that I had legitimate concerns. Viewing ended by her denigrating southerners. I have various options, no way an old bigot is going to benefit from my money.
Felt better for the first time in a couple of days...
If you can't handle a rise in interest rates - which is certainly going to happen at some point - then you shouldn't be buying a house.
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
...........Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
There would be a tiny % of LEAVErs howling away in the margins. None of them PB regulars as I expect all PB LEAVErs to show the usual level of sense and respect for democracy. Personally I would just wait for the inevitable break up of the EU due to other events. Losing the referendum would not be the end of the world, I would not take it as a personal insult or question the intelligence of people who voted for REMAIN. There is a right way to behave and far too many REMAINers seem to be having a temper tantrum.
I'll be honest. I felt sorry for Remainers. I was surprised to win on Thursday morning. I posted what I hope were sympathetic posts here, on Friday. I've lost, and felt small.
But, really, having read the endless bile and venom from Scott P, EPG, Stark Dawning, Olly T, Tyson, Wiiliam Glenn, Matt, et al, I'll now say, I'm glad you lost. You deserved to lose.
Suck it up, bitches.
Seems to me that some Remainers would rather see the world collapse around us, if that meant they could enjoy the simple narcissistic satisfaction of being proved right.
It seems that to them, the worst possible outcome would be to see the country succeed and even maybe thrive in the future - because that might just mean that one day they might have to admit they were wrong.
It's quite interesting isn't it?
Oh it's undoubtedly true. One social media post I've seen 'I hope Europe PUNISHES us'. Ghastly. Unhealthy self-loathing younger generation.
Agreed, that's nauseating. On the other hand there are plenty
The squeeling from the Europhiles is most enjoyable. I imagine very few actually campaigned for the UK to remain in the EU. Instead they sit behind their keyboards posting endless Twitter links or signing meaningless petitions.
There a plenty of people who voted for Remain who are are simply very worried about the possible financial implications of Brexit. And quite a few repentant Leavers as well it appears. I doubt the Boris and Gove show will have calmed to many fears on Friday. Perhaps you should consider that rather than making snide comments about keyboard warriors.
Clicktivists need to be mocked. I wonder how many of those youngsters signing the petition for a second referendum failed to actually vote in the first?
Utter scorn is too good for them.
18-24yr 36% TO
Says it all really.
Even 25-34yrs was only 53% TO
You have to be in it to win it.
Many of us oldsters have signed the petition. It isn't over yet. The referendum was only advisory and the result was very close. We are a representative democracy. MPs need to step up and veto this. Boris might be relieved.
Not going to happen.
Stop being such a sore loser. Maybe you should have campaigned harder, presuming you did actually campaign...
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
LEAVErs are at Bargaining, bargaining with the EU to stay in the EU in all but name, though some are still at Anger, telling people that they are spewing bile before calling them bitches.
Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
Only the lunatic conspiracy nuts. If you are equating all those signing the referendum 2 petition with lunatic conspiracy nuts then I might agree with you.
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
LEAVErs are at Bargaining, bargaining with the EU to stay in the EU in all but name, though some are still at Anger, telling people that they are spewing bile before calling them bitches.
Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
Unbelievable to see posters like Barnesian saying sod the will of the public, as I don't agree with the result of the referendum Parliament should ignore it. The arrogance is breathtaking.
Europhile arrogance is one of the major reasons they lost the referendum.
Given the hysteria at the moment I'm amazed its not higher than that!
Excluding don't knows its 65%
A Union can only exist if all its constituent members are prepared to accept the outcome of losing a vote.
That means Scotland being prepared to accept that England and Wales may vote differently and vice versa.
If a constituent part of the Union can't accept that, then they should go.
They will and build a very prosperous Scotland that is part of the EU with Edinburgh becoming the most vibrant city in Europe.
The biggest victim of Brexit will be London, our cash cow.
FWIW- I really don't think we'll get good terms from our Ex Euro neighbours. Ultimately as the UK becomes poorer, they have a lot to gain from attracting away our investors. If we keep the Single Market, we are going to have to pay a very heavy, inflated price for it.
There was a leading Indian businessman on the radio last night who just couldn't get his head around how we could vote Brexit.
If Frankfurt are eagerly eyeing all the ex-London business going over there, why do you think they will be so keen to allow Edinburgh as an alternative?
We're not greedy - 25% would do us nicely. We don't want a massive explosion in house prices, being exploited as a tax haven or de facto social cleansing.
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Just as well that we have not done anything to annoy Eastern Europeans...
In a few year's time, however, anything can happen. Relatively likely that the economy goes belly up I would imagine and then you are into pretty significant opportunities.
A Leave the Union voluntarily
B Be expelled from the Union.
I love every dilemma.
This is talking about the UK leaving and Scotland staying. It doesn't appear to talk about Scotland separating before Article 50 talks conclude
Besides we all know the Scots are too chicken to go it alone without the English proping them up.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/746817815735341056
".@DavidCoburnUKip we will indeed. Overseeing the Brexit process will be Gove, Hannan and Grayling. Cross party input. New post-EU consensus"
A referendum that is rushed will risk certain defeat, in the heat of the moment only 59% support it.
But the heat, as Cameron found out, cools off quickly
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The anti-SNP camp can easily point that the negotiations between the UK and the EU have not even started, they could promise a proper referendum when the deal is made and for scots to wait and see if they agree with it or not.
On a per capita basis and being a little less pessimistic you reach the level of essentially no appreciable difference.
Now a good Chancellor, a pro-active government, a drive for higher productivity, a push for a much healthier trade balance and we could easily beat those frankly dismally low targets.
IN or OUT of the EU isn't really that economically important. It's all the other stuff that successive governments have failed at that really matters.
Says it all really.
Even 25-34yrs was only 53% TO
You have to be in it to win it.
In what way do immigration rules favour EU migrants ahead of non-EU migrants? That is bullshit. I've hired 5 non-EU migrants over the last 2 years (and 0 EU migrants by the way). The hiring of non-EU migrants is done in consonance with UK Government rules.
sunday herald @newsundayherald 55s55 seconds ago
Results of Sunday Herald #indyref2 poll: 80% (34,307) leave UK, 17% (7135) stay, 3% (1269) don't know. Full report in tomorrow's paper
May is too authoritarian for me. I hope she doesn't get it.
http://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_jRXnl_2016-06-25/data/172499/index.html?share=1&WT.mc_id=tmgapp_inar_share&utm_source=tmgapp&utm_medium=inar&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=tmgapp_inar_share&Expires=1469228400&Signature=WainPfB5BXXsIp0wYxvorCHCcftDzmNs6ov63xsFdjl66ioRJGLRJ0n0TnD273DzYgpsAauFdmqldwvnHZ1novLVbfZOHQraD2wsOXH-5-nXtUTtWrGGfqT4-vuobYM3hQgcLk5Kuz7YfpIzfGDjD7QIrAs6l9Ih891q5qIimj1wsLra78BPj1SZRLmCiYldE-b~LKLsG6GyRlYUPN3DD4mW71pQwwmPjQtOCzLPduK1ug1BjFSYQu618Om9evNDn8JLheWyXlZ8Jo5dOfoi7txgIcW5lZsocBDlMJ8HoTMr4ovNRAFf~LcmqeLtDW0PyfZdH9uxo8pXzTbnCfT2yg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLCEPDGCTPVKXNOA
I remain sceptical that the SNP has conquered the inherent problems of currency, central bank, EU entry shadowing rules et al. Oil revenues have collapsed. So if Scots want to undertake a radical review of public spending to match their ambitions - it's up to them.
Those are huge practical hurdles.
To be fair, Boris won his independence referendum...
Compare and contrast.
I've heard conflicting reports on Dugdale.
Most remainers have advanced to Anger or even Bargaining but you're stuck in Denial.
If Scotland is to join the EU is means the full package which is what might make some SNP supporters have 2nd thoughts.
However I agree that if there was a vote held quickly (and I don't think that it could happen before mid October at the very earliest) then YES would win but it would be without a clear plan of exactly what would would happen next, a bit like the leave result.
https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/746717679592038401
Mirror Test: If 48 LEAVE, would people be saying it was a MI5 fix and demanding another referendum?
Within England and Wales it also maps quite well to the proportion who are on benefits or otherwise economically active. It also maps inversely to areas in receipt of EU funding.
For the SNP, winning is all that matters. Same for me and a lot of others. Get the vote, get the win, it's doable after that.
Don't they know that money is going to the NHS once we leave.
I did a quick survey at the parents fundraiser this morning on indy ref 2 and support.
This is in Aberdeen which voted NO in 2014.
20 people asked mostly women 15 now YES; 4 NO; 1 Don't Know.
7 say they had changed No to Yes, 1 from Yes to No.
Interestingly of the 8 people who had voted OUT of Europe 4 were still voting YES. The one who had changed from Yes to No was nothing to do with Europe - she preferred Salmond to Sturgeon!
Just a straw poll but perhaps not out of line with other peoples' experience.
One is a disingenuous tw*t who only wants to be PM doing whatever it takes - stoking up fears on immigration, pandering to racists etc.
Stephen Harper resigned after the election defeat in November last year but the leadership election isn't until May 2017. Seems very odd to be that long with an interim leader. Must be a different political culture.
My MP Caroline Ansell came out for Brexit very late - Eastbourne went 57% Leave. She didn't campaign for selection on her EU position IIRC.
If you're going to edit what I wrote, please make that clear.
However he seems to have tried and give his constituents the opportunity of hearing both sides of the debate - so a fair person.
If the SNP tries to rush things then the incentive reverses, Britain will try to make a deal that is as worse as possible for scotland.
It's a gamble basically, can the SNP trust all the other EU countries that they won't betray them to the British in exchange for favourable terms in the Brexit deal?
For instance Poland and Britain may strike a deal over the status of polish workers in exchange for freezing scotland out of the EU.
"Nearly every Tory MP I’ve spoken to since Friday morning is of the view that the new PM will have to be an Outer. "
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/will-boris-gove-brexit-band-brother-run-no-10-together/
Stop being such a sore loser. Maybe you should have campaigned harder, presuming you did actually campaign...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt//