Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
The BBC chart is a terrible display of data. It does not illuminate anything at all.
It's unbelievably shit. Just tell us what par is.
Agreed. I don't understand what the heck they're on about. I get the feeling the BBC are panicking a bit.
They should just show all the constituencies with dots for the par values and then red bars and blue bars of different lengths to show different results. Its not hard.
Cameron didn't lose it for Remain, but it was disastrous that he was the leader of the Remain campaign. Why would Labour voters vote for him? I think he, and many in the commentariat, forget how partisan a lot of Labour areas still are. Imagine if Thatcher had been leading the Remain campaign - how many Labour voters could've made themselves vote for her? How naive we are to think they would vote for Cameron!
Cameron/Osborne kryptonite to the WWC Labour voters they needed.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
So ex-pats might return - increasing immigration even further?
Two hours ago, I went to sleep: Leave were at about 10:1 and Farage had conceded, after a brief hokey-cokey. From early guesses in Sunderland Leave were looking sub-50%, and the consensus seemed to be Remain by 4 to 8 points. Now suddenly it's looking all Leavey. Now admittedly I've missed the last two hours, but this level of change seems even odder than the GE. Surely while the polls had the numbers, they didn't have the locations: maybe all we're seeing is that initial guesses on what areas voted how were wide of the mark; and that Remain areas will be Remainier than expected while Leave areas will be Leavier? That still seems quite possible to me. I can't quite compute the change of direction. It all looked so bleak for leave a few hours ago. But then that was all based on a very narrow centrepoint of poll leads and seemingly a lot of money being bet on Remain on the basis of a lot of other money being bet on Remain. Tyson's masochistic hope for a knife-edge night looking like being fulfilled, at any rate.
The bookies aren't trying to predict the event, they're trying to get equal amounts of money on each side. The amount of money placed on remain during the campaign will hold the price.
But people betting now are driving Betfair now - history is irrelevant.
Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.
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Southampton, Sheffield, Leicester, and Nottingham are my bellwethers.
They all go Leave, Leave have a clear win.
I have heard a rumour (second hand, so no idea of its accuracy) that Sheffield may be towards 70% leave. Sounds very high to me.
You are just trolling TSE. :-)
Someone else has texted me that South Yorkshire might have gone Leave.
Did not see that coming.
Do you know if your side are doing the responsible thing, now, and preparing a statement for Cameron to deliver in the morning to reassure the markets and EU on this?
Not a jibe. Genuinely hoping we pull together a quick stabilisation plan now.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
So ex-pats might return - increasing immigration even further?
That's absolutely fine. Interestingly, one of the things that's driving the high net immigration is fewer people leaving the country.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
Someone please indulge me... what is all this MI5 stuff that people are talking about?
Nutters saying you should use a pen incase MI5 rub out your pencil-marked leave vote and change it to remain.
Okaaaayyy.... Thanks. Hmm, I imagine MI5 could come up with something a tad more sophisticated than that, if they really wanted to. Has GCHQ being taking large deliveries of erasers recently or something?
Lindsay Lohan @lindsaylohan 10m10 minutes ago #REMAIN Sorry, but #KETTERING where are you&why is this woman @BBCNews speaking on people rather than TELLING us what happens if UK LEAVES?
Lindsay Lohan @lindsaylohan 4m4 minutes ago i love the #shetlands @BBCNews thank goodness we have pure hearted people our side #besmart #ShetlandsVSSunderland #BringItOn
Portsmouth is looking like 57% Leave, Southampton 60% Leave. Both were expected to be more level.
BBC
Southampton, Sheffield, Leicester, and Nottingham are my bellwethers.
They all go Leave, Leave have a clear win.
I have heard a rumour (second hand, so no idea of its accuracy) that Sheffield may be towards 70% leave. Sounds very high to me.
You are just trolling TSE. :-)
Someone else has texted me that South Yorkshire might have gone Leave.
Did not see that coming.
Do you know if your side are doing the responsible thing, now, and preparing a statement for Cameron to deliver in the morning to reassure the markets and EU on this?
Not a jibe. Genuinely hoping we pull together a quick stabilisation plan now.
I seriously hope George Osborne and/or Sir Humphrey has got a Plan B for tomorrow. Be a huge dereliction of duty if there wasn't one.
Would like to be a fly on the wall in Guardian HQ tomorrow. Should have listened to John Harris...
To be fair, the Guardian has given more coverage to the working class Leave vote than any other broadsheet. I'm pretty certain they had a good idea what was coming.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
I'm an ex-pat in the US....
...with a house under contract to sell in the UK.
As an ex-expat, I have every sympathy with you both. Of course there's going to be volatility on Brexit, because no one actually has a clue what's going to happen. Give the market a couple of weeks to settle down (if it does, see previous sentence).
I believe Vernon Bogdanor was Cameron's tutor at Oxford. I wonder whether he now wishes he had failed him in the finals and saved the country from this.
Bet Cameron wishes he hadn't won in 2015. Could have gone out on a high.
Or he could have pulled back when he got feck all in his "renegotiation" and paused a couple of years.
Or he could have taken the Negotiation for Dummies 1.01 course...
Someone please indulge me... what is all this MI5 stuff that people are talking about?
The paranoia amongst an alarmingly high proportion of leavers that if they voted by pencil the secret service would apply a rubber to their vote before it was counted....
Someone please indulge me... what is all this MI5 stuff that people are talking about?
Nutters saying you should use a pen incase MI5 rub out your pencil-marked leave vote and change it to remain.
Okaaaayyy.... Thanks. Hmm, I imagine MI5 could come up with something a tad more sophisticated than that, if they really wanted to. Has GCHQ being taking large deliveries of erasers recently or something?
Haven't you heard a simple pen can defeat their sophisticated ways...
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
So ex-pats might return - increasing immigration even further?
That's absolutely fine. Interestingly, one of the things that's driving the high net immigration is fewer people leaving the country.
Err - that makes no sense plus they are mostly elderly and pensioners! Therefore potential huge social services and health burdens.
Looks a very disappointing night for us expats - will be interested to know how soon we'll get any kind of resolution on our future status re taxation, healthcare , residency rights etc. For many pensioners a 10%+ drop in sterling means 10% less pension to liver on each month. For us these things really do matter. Don't expect much sympathy on here but we are British citizens and entitled to some consideration from our government.
Sorry, no sympathy - you choice to live somewhere that doesn't use the Pound.
Ah the charm of the Leaver writ large - most made the choice many years ago when EU membership was not in question. I'm not sure you'll be so happy if thousands of expats have to return in order to get healthcare no longer provided as at present in their adopted country - I hope the NHS is fully geared up.
I really doubt the French and Spanish are going to chuck out immigrants who spend money in their countries.
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Sorry to sound harsh, but you left.
Then Cameron goes and insults his party support.
Scotland looks like 60:40, but with relatively low turnout
...with a house under contract to sell in the UK.
Turnout looks high enough in C1/C2/DE areas for leave to do this.
Indyref II here we come.
Now suddenly it's looking all Leavey.
Now admittedly I've missed the last two hours, but this level of change seems even odder than the GE.
Surely while the polls had the numbers, they didn't have the locations: maybe all we're seeing is that initial guesses on what areas voted how were wide of the mark; and that Remain areas will be Remainier than expected while Leave areas will be Leavier? That still seems quite possible to me. I can't quite compute the change of direction. It all looked so bleak for leave a few hours ago.
But then that was all based on a very narrow centrepoint of poll leads and seemingly a lot of money being bet on Remain on the basis of a lot of other money being bet on Remain.
Tyson's masochistic hope for a knife-edge night looking like being fulfilled, at any rate.
I suspect that Leave is going to do well in South Yorkshire from some minor anecdotes.
Spreadsheet has it around 55-45
Not a jibe. Genuinely hoping we pull together a quick stabilisation plan now.
"My boss has just texted me a 40% fall in Sterling in the morning at this rate."
Your boss is probably tired and emotional
OR
If he is sending you text messages at one in the morning he has no idea about leadership
Either way you are working for the wrong firm.
At the moment, we're all freaking over one result - Newcastle.
This one?
where are these results ??
Do we have any idea on the turnout in London ?
Do you still think you've called this right or are any doubts emerging now it looks like it's going to happen?
I don't see how this will have anything other than a devastating effect on London as a whole.
Remain 38%
Leave 62%
Europe will grant concessions on free movement and there will probably be another referendum.
Is that the one that seals it for our expectations?
It's like it didn't exist at all. I was amazed.
#REMAIN Sorry, but #KETTERING where are you&why is this woman @BBCNews speaking on people rather than TELLING us what happens if UK LEAVES?
Lindsay Lohan @lindsaylohan 4m4 minutes ago
i love the #shetlands @BBCNews thank goodness we have pure hearted people our side #besmart #ShetlandsVSSunderland #BringItOn
Is it expected to vote LEAVE?
Another example of high turnout where the LEAVE vote is stronger?
This is Tory majority terrority, from last year, all over again.
I work for the right firm, he pays me a salary that is several multiples of the national average, he gives an excellent work life balance.
They've always boasted about how connected their football teams are to the local communities.
Looks like it wasn't a mistake!
Or he could have taken the Negotiation for Dummies 1.01 course...
Basically parity